Warriors Game Day Links #22: Golden State Warriors 116 vs Oklahoma City Thunder 119 - Warriors high octane thrilling offense come up just a tad short
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Thunder: Welcome to Loud City
Recap: Oklahoma City Thunder 119, Golden State Warriors 116: 2011-2012 Game 25 Recap; Offense Galore
Game thread: Game Thread #25: Oklahoma City Thunder vs Golden State Warriors
Preview: Oklahoma City Thunder vs Golden State Warriors: 2011-2012 Game 25 Preview
Recaps
Associated Press: Durant's shot lifts Thunder past Warriors 119-116 | Photo Gallery
Sports Network: Ellis' 48 not enough, Durant lifts Thunder over Warriors
Matt Steinmetz: Monta erupts for 48, but Warriors fall to Thunder 119-116.
Marcus Thompson II: Monta Ellis scores 48 points, but Golden State Warriors lose to Oklahoma City Thunder
Rusty Simmons: 48 for Monta Ellis in Warriors' loss to Thunder
Pregame News
- Matt Steinmetz makes some comments about the upcoming schedule, Udoh, Monta, and Biedrins.
Matt Steinmetz: Warriors notes: Schedule toughens, Udoh's face-up game
- With Earl Barron waived, Rusty thinks Jeremy Tyler will see more action.
Rusty Simmons: Warriors to use rookie Jeremy Tyler more often
- Previews of the game.
Matt Steinmetz: Thunder-Warriors: What to watch for
Pregame Videos
Monday: Practice interview, Mark Jackson.
Monday: Raw practice footage, Dorell Wright and Andris Biedrins.
Shootaround interview, Mark Jackson.
Shootaround interview, Monta Ellis.
Postgame News
- No postgame news found.
Postgame Videos
Mark Jackson at the podium.
David Lee in the locker room.
Stephen Curry in the locker room.
Monta Ellis in the locker room.
CSN highlights, recap.
Recap and highlights from nba.com's game page:
Thunder vs. Warriors: First half
Ellis Flush
Spin-O-Rama and the Harm
Curry's Spicy Dish
Nightly Notable
Thunder vs Warriors
Ellis Brings The Thunder (nearly all of Monta's 48 pts)
Postgame Quotes and Stuff from warriors.com recap
Audio
8:41 min: Mark Jackson Postgame - 2/4
2:34 min: Monta Ellis Postgame - 2/7
2:45 min: Stephen Curry Postgame - 2/7
Mark Jackson
On Monta Ellis:
"Great overall night. Competed, got it going, was unselfish, read the defense just a great performance by him. I don't want to minimize it to just scoring 48 points he played a heck of a ballgame - even down to the last look we live that, we live with that."
On The Second-To-Last Possession For The Warriors:
"David (Lee) caught it and I thought he had a direct line drive to the basket - turned it down. We got a great look out of it so you can't get upset about that. I trusted him to make the read and got a great look out of it."
On Defending Kevin Durant's Final Shot:
"We wanted to keep a body on him - we had a foul to give, we didn't use it - we played good defense. I don't think he called bank, but he made a tough shot, he made a tough shot. Once again a great player makes a tough shot."
On The Game's Final Play
"We had shooters - Brandon (Rush) had a look in the corner and the second option would've been Steph (Stephen Curry) - we had shooters on the floor. He's hot and had a great night, but if I was having a good night I would rather have Reggie Miller shoot the basketball from three point land."
Monta Ellis
On Scoring 48 Points:
"It was just going in for me tonight. Unfortunately we didn't get the win. Our effort was there, we played them hard the whole game and it just came down to one shot."
“Hopefully we can continue to play like this to the end of the season.”
David Lee
On Tonight's Game:
"It's definitely tough. They're one of the best teams in the league, if not the best. We knew we had to play our best basketball to beat them. We did play our best; it's just a little frustrating not coming out with the W."
On Monta Ellis:
"He did an unbelievable job tonight. He shot a good percentage and was aggressive the whole game. That's what he had to do for us and he did it."
Stephen Curry
On Fatigue Being A Factor:
"We felt good, just a couple of calls didn't go our way. They made some big shots. We did everything we could to stay in the game and finish out but it didn't work out that way. We liked the effort we had, at least the effort we had out there and how aggressive we played. If we continue that, we can be competitive and beat some good teams."
On Monta Ellis:
"He was outstanding. That's who he is. He's a primetime guy who comes in and plays well. He had it rolling early and often, all the way to the last buzzer. That's what we expect from him. He's an All-Star in my book."
Notes
- Nate Robinson DNP on a strained left groin.
What's next?
- The last game of this comfortable schedule is on Thursday at Denver. Then the Warriors get 2 days off before their first back-to-back in a while.
| Day | Date | Time | Opponent | TV | Radio |
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| Thu | Feb 09 | 6:00pm | @Nuggets | CSNBayHD | KTCT 1050 |
| Sun | Feb 12 | 6:00pm | Rockets | CSNBayHD | KNBR 680 |
| Mon | Feb 13 | 7:30pm | Suns | CSNBayHD | KNBR 680 |
| Wed | Feb 15 | 7:00pm | Trail Blazers | CSNBayHD / ESPN | KNBR 680 |
| Fri | Feb 17 | 5:00pm | @Thunder | CSNBayHD | KTCT 1050 |
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too funny when David Lee
walks pretty much right into it at the end to cross by. doubt he would have done that to dorrell a few paces over.
I voted for Monta...
.. but D. Lee beasted a tripple dub and Steph had a nice all around game, too. Frustrating loss. Our offense always seems to stagnate and devolve into iso’s in crunch time.
Monta
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So your next game is against the Nuggets, eh?
Well, good luck against them.
I think they’re going to play against the Mavs first and then you guys afterwards.
Proud to be a brony.
So now we know why Beans shoots those stupid hooks
It’s all he does in practice!
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ha ha....
…. so much intensity and fire, too.
by warriorsablaze on Feb 7, 2012 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
So sad
Who the hell coaches our big men? Do they stand for this? Beans only shoots that hook because he doesn’t want to get fouled.
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by doubleteapot on Feb 7, 2012 10:58 PM PST up reply actions
No one stands for it
Biedrins gets pulled.
That’s a CLEAR sign, he doesn’t listen, in my opinion
They should have amnestied him
I bet the coaches groaned when they heard Bell was amnestied
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by doubleteapot on Feb 7, 2012 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
Amnesying Bell over Biedrins = dumbest move ever
I get pissed every time I think about it. Seemed like a no brainer as soon as the amnesty was created.
Webber and Greg Anthony kind of blasted Jackson for criticizing Refs
Said, if he wants to instill accountability in his players. it has to start with him not finding excuses for losses.
He never used a excuse but tonight he was right. He got everything out of his guys tonight and the refs didn’t call a fair game. My only criticism of MJ was that he shoulda had Mcguire on Durant when he hit that bank shot. Dom woulda made him take a harder shot. You seen how he put clamps on Westbrook.
I don't disagree
Just relaying the message. I saw Jackson’s post game presser. He bit his tongue a lot. You could tell, he wanted to REALLY tear into them.
by tafkasam on Feb 7, 2012 11:09 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Hahha yeah, I think Jackson lost some money tonight
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus
by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 7, 2012 11:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
What a great sig : )
I am still worried about the Warriors, come to think of it I have always been worried about them.
haha, thanks!
yeah, I’m extra worried about them this season.
I feel like their is a major re-tooling of the roster required, and we are all just waiting for it to happen
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus
by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 8, 2012 6:22 AM PST up reply actions
CWebb is one to talk about criticizing refs
Especially after that Kings/Lakers game in whatever year it was (2002?). Yeah, he has no business saying that, unless he wants a replay of that. He has done his fair share of critique.
Jackson came up with the "no excuses slogan" which in itself was OK but........
……then instead of keeping it in the locker room he just had to make it his media trademark just like he has used his announcer trademark slogans on TV…….I was wondering how long it would take for this one to bite him in the @ss….cannot feel sorry for the media bashing he is taking right now………….PROBLEM is …..that he represents the Warriors and this is giving everyone another reason to laugh at the team.
Dear Mr.No Excuses Jackson….please stop marketing yourself in post game interviews and focus on improving your coaching….puhleaseeee.
by Only In Fairfax on Feb 8, 2012 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
1 rebound in 29 minutes for Udoh and Biedrins
And 0 points, 0 rebounds for Biedrins.
NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
One thing Jackson said, stuck with me ‘all we ask him to do is rebound, play d and finish at the rim…’ looked like he was about to say something to extent of ‘and the big goon can’t do any of it!’ yet he just stares, and tried to change the topic.
Warriors really screwed up...
Should have kept playing Biedrins when he was good…now he’s back to horrible.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 7, 2012 10:59 PM PST reply actions
You can't really think that way
Biedrins was benched a couple times for match up purposes, and he reverts to basically a chris hunter-wannabe?
That’s not a good enough excuse.
No.
He wasn’t playing much when he was beasting. We know he’s a mental head case and Jackson f’ed up doing it when he played well. Now he’s lost all his confidence, they don’t run any plays for him, Monta will never pass to him…it’s all gone down hill.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 7, 2012 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
Monta will never pass to him? How about Steph? Andris RARELY cuts. I don’t buy it’s a passing thing cause his best year, volume wise was with no PG.
He was NEVER beasting. He had 10 points v. the clips. That’s nothing special. And he follows it up with 0 v. chicago. Actually 12 points in the next 5 games and 64 total minutes. Woo woo.
by tafkasam on Feb 7, 2012 11:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Monta is one of the worst passers to the roll man for a guy his size.
I’ve never seen him execute the pick and roll well. There was a reason Nellie had Baron and Jackson exclusively run it.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 7, 2012 11:08 PM PST up reply actions
Well, last Beans had the perfect PnR to the basket, ams up for the pass and Monta ignored him.
After that he shut down and didnt try again…..which is not a pro way to react, but still a pass to him at that moment ,that early in the game would have possibly given him a kick start… sigh….it does illustrate his headcase problem though…
by Only In Fairfax on Feb 8, 2012 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
The worst thing about Biedrins is he seems to have given up on basketball
In my opinion he was never a great center, especially not on the defensive end, but now he doesn’t even seem to try.
It looked like he was putting it back together early this year.
Now it’s hard to know what to think. We really need more from him.
he'll be back
it’s just a matter of hustle and consistent effort.
err…I hope he’ll be back
it’s getting harder and harder to keep wearing my Biedrens jersey to open gym games
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus
by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 8, 2012 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
Beans at least had a glimmer of promise
sure, no super potential or anything, but an athletic defender with soft hands and a penchant for inhaling rebounds
now…
:,(
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus
by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 8, 2012 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
He was never good
it was a mirage
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by doubleteapot on Feb 7, 2012 11:01 PM PST up reply actions
i don't think so.
He was completely different and aggressive. Now he’s worse than last year.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 7, 2012 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
Dude did you watch that practice video?
Hook shots ALL DAY.
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by doubleteapot on Feb 7, 2012 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
Honestly....
…looked pretty unguardable in the video.
by warriorsablaze on Feb 7, 2012 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
lol
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by doubleteapot on Feb 7, 2012 11:05 PM PST up reply actions
He wasn't like that his first 5/6 games.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 7, 2012 11:05 PM PST up reply actions
his first 5/6 games
10 points, 8 rebounds
0 points, 4 rebounds
2 points, 7 rebounds
2 points, 4 rebounds
4 points, 2 rebounds
4 points, 5 rebounds
And disregarding that 5-5 mirage v. the clippers…. 6-13 in 5 games. That’s hardly aggressive.
by tafkasam on Feb 7, 2012 11:08 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
You didn't watch those games apparently.
He was looking for the ball, cutting, blocking shots…Monta didn’t look for him and Jackson benched him for no reason.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 7, 2012 11:09 PM PST up reply actions
I was at 3 of them
And yes, I saw them all. Outside of the Clipper game, he didn’t cut hard. He was pretty lethargic.
He also had a negative +/- in the wins. Really wasn’t effective.
He had 1 aggressive game
I don't think we watch basketball the same way
I also don’t hate Biedrins.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 7, 2012 11:11 PM PST up reply actions
cop out reply
The ‘monta won’t pass to him’ is also just a backhanded insult, at your least fav player. Monta may lack vision, or more likely, ballhandling ability, but he’s very egalitarian. He looks to dish when he sees it. He finds shooters or DLee quite often.
Biedrins shot attempts are at a career low. He really doesn’t cut to the hoop consistently, if he did, he’d get assists.
I’d also point out (since your memory seems hazy) 3 of his 5 buckets v. clippers were Monta assists.
Infact Monta’s assists are at a career high. He’s looking to involve teammates as much as he can (and I readily admit, he’s a limited passer because of his dribbling/vision however he’s by no means a bias player).
All that also doesn’t touch on fact he doesn’t crash offensive glass either. His offensive rebounding per 36 is at a CAREER LOW.
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He’s lucky to not be DNP’d. I don’t hate the guy, I just think he’s legitimately awful player, and it’s not cause of lack of ability, which is by far the most frustrating factor.
by tafkasam on Feb 7, 2012 11:18 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
All I am saying is that even if Biedrins has a good game, you’ll probably be the last to acknowledge it.
And I’m not going after you. I don’t even get too impressed with Monta after his great games because I just fundamentally hate his shot selection. I feel like his great games are fools gold because he’s taking ridiculous shots that he usually can’t make, but we all have our biases.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 7, 2012 11:28 PM PST up reply actions
See this sums up every problem I have with your POV
That’s not true. When Biedrins has a good game, I acknowledge it.
He’s just only had 2 all year….
What’s more depressing, to me, is the fact you actually would give him more of the benefit of the doubt considering he’s a despicable athlete. His effort levels are EVERYTHING that’s wrong with sports, not monta’s shot selection. Monta’s got his own flaws, but lazy isn’t one of them.
All I’m saying is, one man’s flawed because he tries too hard, the others flawed because he tries too little. By default, I can’t get how someone can give the lazy-latvian more of the benefit of the doubt. When reality is, the only thing stopping him from being productive is himself.
That’s where my feeling is. Monta’s shot selection frustrates me to death sometimes. However fundamentally, i think he is a talented player, who is improperly utilized. I believe that can be fixed, if he wants to learn, and he’s shown he does. Over the last 2 seasons, I’ve seen no signs that he’s content and wants to continue down the 09 ride.
Conciquently, what’s Andris shown? Not returning a coaches phone call? Not showing up to voluntary workouts? I mean, it’d be one thing if he was going thru a crisis, but he doesn’t want to get better.
I just don’t see how someone can root for that guy over monta.
Now I’m not saying effort level exonerates Monta of all his bball sins. But atleast Id root for that guy to work and figure it, way before I do the guy content cashing 100k+ a game without working. Andris Biedrins is an example of everything wrong in pro-sports.
by tafkasam on Feb 8, 2012 3:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You proved my point.
Conciquently, what’s Andris shown? Not returning a coaches phone call? Not showing up to voluntary workouts? I mean, it’d be one thing if he was going thru a crisis, but he doesn’t want to get better.
I just don’t see how someone can root for that guy over monta.
Nothing you cited was true, just fallacies you made up in your head.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 8, 2012 7:04 PM PST up reply actions
Nothing you cited was true, just fallacies you made up in your head.
Fact- Andris was the ONLY player to not call back Coach Jackson, when he was hired, he called every player
Fact- Andris was the ONLY player to not show up in Vegas, in LA when they organized workouts.
He has no commitment.
And we know he was seeing a sports psychologist and working with Steve Nash’s personal trainer in Santa Barbara.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 9, 2012 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
Fact- Andris was the ONLY player to not show up in Vegas, in LA when they organized workouts.
he’s also the only player that doesn’t live in the US.
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
Your arguments are all emotional and nothing of substance.
All I’m saying is, one man’s flawed because he tries too hard, the others flawed because he tries too little. By default, I can’t get how someone can give the lazy-latvian more of the benefit of the doubt. When reality is, the only thing stopping him from being productive is himself.
You really think he doesn’t try? You think you can say for certainty this is true? Even PMC has noted that if you play basketball, you know it’s hard to stay engaged when you’re that 5th option and no one passes to you.
Yes, Andris sucks right now. That doesn’t mean he’s some sort of douchebag who doesn’t care about the game like you say. That’s almost…laker fan logic, like those people who say Lebron “quits” or Gasol is “soft”. Hogwash. Just not true. I actually try to get to the bottom of things and not look for easy, simple answers that have become prevalent in todays media. You have to dig deeper, everythings not black and white.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 8, 2012 7:09 PM PST up reply actions
ven PMC has noted that if you play basketball, you know it’s hard to stay engaged when you’re that 5th option and no one passes to you
You missed his point
So I asked Coach Mark how to get out of that situation. He protected his player and claimed that Beans isn’t the 5th option, although Coach did say Monta was #1 and D.Lee #2. So I think tonight will be a great opportunity for Biedrins to have green lights left and right. Even if he bricks, let’s hope he takes those opportunities. He needs to find that light at the end of the tunnel.
He’s NOT taking those opportunities. Blaming andris’ problems on anyone else is not only false but it’s the eptiome of hindsight bias. You have some sort of affection to him (why, I don’t know), and you’re trying to find any reason why his awful play is not totally 100% his fault.
If he plays his game, crashes the O glass (which he’s doing at A CAREER LOW) and cuts, he’ll get his easy basket. Everyone else will play better.
Just not true. I actually try to get to the bottom of things and not look for easy, simple answers that have become prevalent in todays media. You have to dig deeper, everythings not black and white.
Again, I see little evidence of this. You try to justify your assertions by finding an agreement POV or statistical assertion. With Monta you ignore any stat which shows positive, with Steph it’s anything that’s negative. You haven’t shown you can actually judge the plays on this team with an unbias POV.
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Now if you want MY personal POV on Andris- I think he MIGHT find himself outside of GSW, but it’ll never happen here. I’ve been saying that for over a year. Too much negativity, and he’s too soft/thin skinned to handle it.
That sucks, but it’s reality.
He could also never find himself again.
In general, this team has gone lame. Too many parts too comfortable, and unchallenged. That goes for Monta, Steph and Lee. We need to introduce some change. I think they all have a level of talent, some overpaid. However, no one aside from random role players like Rush are excelling.
Well beans did look bright and chippy in those games and looked effective to me as well but did not seem to get playing time as a result.
by Only In Fairfax on Feb 8, 2012 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
He seems to get very easily discouraged
Of course, can’t get in his head, but I noticed last season. Starts many games aggressive, and quickly, quickly stops that. I feel it’s the same over the season, starts strong, and gets discouraged, and starts to hide in rebounding and some defense (valuable, but not enough to offset what he lacks).
by ohcleverhansyou on Feb 7, 2012 11:08 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly.
They honestly have to run a play for him to start the game it seems like or he’ll just be out of it.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 7, 2012 11:09 PM PST up reply actions
I mean basically, using the lack of PT as an excuse to not try, is really shallow.
Personally, I’m in favor of benching him fully. Give him some DNPs. Really screw with him. Atleast then it could create illusion warriors are incompetent and possibly increase his value. It beats him giving us 13 minutes of 5 foul no point/rebound ball
by tafkasam on Feb 7, 2012 11:02 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
On the bright side, at least we're closer to keeping our pick
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Both our guards outrebounded Udoh
Just sad. I knew that it was bad, but this is terrible. Ellis and Curry had to stay behind to rebound since Udoh can’t.
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Udoh makes up for it with defense
But at this point he’s basically a career backup. We spent the 6th pick on a career backup, probably the 7th or 8th man off the bench.
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by doubleteapot on Feb 7, 2012 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
Sometimes I think that.
But honestly, we’re such a better team with him in the game that I think he’s a valuable player. Should be starting over either Lee or Biedrins.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 7, 2012 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
He's a non-factor on offense
If you have no offense and can’t rebound or box out, you can’t play big minutes in the NBA.
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by doubleteapot on Feb 7, 2012 11:05 PM PST up reply actions
Not really.
He spaces the floor decently enough, can pass, moves around + sets screens. Not Biedrins esque.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 7, 2012 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
I didn't say "zero"
I said non-factor. He can set screens but he cannot score unless the ball is fed to him.
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by doubleteapot on Feb 7, 2012 11:07 PM PST up reply actions
He has nice counter moves.
But can’t get the easy stuff.
He actually has a decent post game.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 7, 2012 11:11 PM PST up reply actions
3-8 from the field tonight
That’s probably his ceiling. He can only post up smaller players. Also how can you have “counter” moves when you don’t have moves in the first place? He shot a bunch of midrange jumpers tonight because the defense gave him it.
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by doubleteapot on Feb 7, 2012 11:12 PM PST up reply actions
I just watch how the offense flows.
And he’s not a good offensive player but he takes some difficult shots that someone has to take, moves around creating movement…he’s not horrible is what I’m saying. Definitely stuff that helps the team if you look at the tape.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 7, 2012 11:17 PM PST up reply actions
His player can play off him because he can’t score unless he is at the rim. The offense “flows” with Biedrins too – he just barely touches the ball and all he does is set screens . Udoh either needs to rebound or be ridiculously good on defense to make up for it. He’s good at one thing – defense – and bad at everything else. That’s a bench player.
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by doubleteapot on Feb 7, 2012 11:22 PM PST up reply actions
the fact that he tried to post up Nazr Mohammed
and he did his best dream shake impression and Nazr maybe shifted his feet twice and only about 3 inches and just held his hands up and grabbed the ball right from Udoh’s hands when he went to release it should be a telling sign
he looks like Taj Gibson without the offensive awareness and better defensive ability because he has more length. Thats what the 6th pick was wasted on while Greg Monroe drops 18 and 10 surrounded by Jason Maxiell, Tayshaun Prince, Stuckey, and Knight
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 8, 2012 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
Udoh has a rep for hard work and seems intelligent so.......
….perhaps he should take a page out of Dennis Rodman’s book and study were the balls are likely to be for the rebounds…..he is a natural at blocking shots but needs to compensate for for his inability to be in the right place for the rebound….I would note that David Lee seems to naturally be in the right place along with good hands…
I saw an interview with Rodman after he left the NBA and he laughed and admitted that he was not the “natural” rebounder that the media painted….that his big secret was that his antics and outrages persona covered up the fact that he put in a lot hours in film study to figure out “how” to be in the right place at the right time…..
by Only In Fairfax on Feb 8, 2012 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
Biedrins is so bad right now.
Starts off with how they play him. I think a lot of teams could get decent production out of him.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 7, 2012 11:03 PM PST reply actions
I will say this
It would help to have a PG who could pass.
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by doubleteapot on Feb 7, 2012 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
We do.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 7, 2012 11:05 PM PST up reply actions
Curry turns it over too much
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by doubleteapot on Feb 7, 2012 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
Not really.
In line with most PG’s around the league.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 7, 2012 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
A 2:1 assist/turnover ratio is not a good ratio for a PG
Unless you are a scoring PG like Rose or Westbrook. Unfortunately Curry doesn’t get enough penetration or go to the line enough to be a scoring PG.
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by doubleteapot on Feb 7, 2012 11:08 PM PST up reply actions
That's pretty good for a PG.
And most PG’s aren’t very good scorers like Curry.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 7, 2012 11:10 PM PST up reply actions
You think a 2:1 assist/turnover ratio is good for a PG?
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by doubleteapot on Feb 7, 2012 11:10 PM PST up reply actions
It's not bad.
It’s the average essentially.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 7, 2012 11:12 PM PST up reply actions
The average for point guards is 2.26
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by doubleteapot on Feb 7, 2012 11:13 PM PST up reply actions
And most of them don't score like Curry.
It’s not a huge deal at this point.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 7, 2012 11:17 PM PST up reply actions
It's a pretty big deal
When he turns it over, we lose.
But that’s probably more telling of overall lack of talent/margin for error. We can’t afford a 6-7 turnover night and win like westbrook regularly has.
It's his third year
And scoring is fine – but if you’re that type of guard you also need to penetrate and draw fouls, which Curry doesn’t do.
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by doubleteapot on Feb 7, 2012 11:19 PM PST up reply actions
meh
He doesn’t need to penetrate as much as he needs to cut the dumb passes.
He’s lucky he didn’t have 2 in forth, that Monta and Rush had to dive to save.
He’s way too casual with his passes sometimes. Whether it’s a concentration thing or not, it’s frustrating cause some games he’s far more dialed in and doesn’t just ‘hand it over’
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They aren't effort TO's
They are just dumb plays
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yeah he just isnt thinking sometimes when he makes passes
like that 3 on 2 fastbreak when he could’ve easily faked a pass and kept it for an open shot
instead he throws it right over Dorell head
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 8, 2012 9:40 AM PST up reply actions
I know his turnovers are a problem
But Governor says they aren’t – so I’m trying to take another direction to explain to him why Curry is not a PG
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by doubleteapot on Feb 7, 2012 11:24 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know how much basketball you've watched and/or played
but Stephen Curry is obviously a point guard.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 7, 2012 11:25 PM PST up reply actions
Most point guards don't turn it over as much as Steph does
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by doubleteapot on Feb 7, 2012 11:26 PM PST up reply actions
I don't mean that as a diss.
He’s a great facilitator, he creates open shots for his teammates directly and indirectly, and he has great vision. If that doesn’t make you a PG, you don’t have many in this league.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 7, 2012 11:26 PM PST up reply actions
He has great vision
He also makes dumb decisions. That’s what is keeping him back.
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by doubleteapot on Feb 7, 2012 11:29 PM PST up reply actions
Making some dumb decisions doesn't make you not a PG.
He’s more of a PG than Westbrook but I don’t hear people calling Westbrook a SG.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 7, 2012 11:30 PM PST up reply actions
Curry doesn't make "some" dumb decisions
he makes them often.
And at this point Westbrook is NOT a good PG because he turns the ball over too much, too. He’s basically a scorer who sometimes passes the ball.
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by doubleteapot on Feb 7, 2012 11:36 PM PST up reply actions
People call Westbrook a SG all the time
Both are combo-guards, as far as I’m concerned.
Both can effectively play PG though.
Steph struggles with consistency
Westbrook is a SG
the thunder are forcing him to learn point thats why people wipe his stuff with a grain a salt. he has the athleticism and ability to be a 2 guard in this league
Steph has been the main ballhandler since college at least
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 8, 2012 9:42 AM PST up reply actions
steph didn't play in college for 4 years
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
and he was still the main ballhandler even before he was the "point guard"
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No disagreement that he sometimes gets careless
But the whole “he turns it over we lose” thing is lazy and lame. His turnovers weren’t the problem tonight, any more than Monta’s one bad fourth quarter drive or Curry’s one poor long-distance shot were.
If you want to point to any one thing, it’s pretty obviously our inability to get rebounds in key situations. If it’s two things, it’s the tendency of our offensive motion to disappear in the 4th quarter. We get tight and people stop moving without the ball, and it’s just iso after iso.
For the season, Monta’s poor shooting is a bigger problem than Curry’s TOs, too.
Rebounding aren't as big a problem as TOs
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by doubleteapot on Feb 7, 2012 11:28 PM PST up reply actions
*isn't
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by doubleteapot on Feb 7, 2012 11:28 PM PST up reply actions
You think being the worst rebounding team in basketball isn't as big of a deal as our young PG averaging 3 TO's per 36?
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 7, 2012 11:29 PM PST up reply actions
Statistically TOs are more important than rebounding
in relation to winning. TOs give you no points and sometimes lead to fastbreaks on the other end – a four point swing.
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by doubleteapot on Feb 7, 2012 11:31 PM PST up reply actions
Answer my question.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 7, 2012 11:36 PM PST up reply actions
Didn't I answer it?
Yes I think our TOs are more important than rebounding. If you look at the four factors, eFG% and TO% are the two major keys to winning teams.
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by doubleteapot on Feb 7, 2012 11:39 PM PST up reply actions
Rebounding can be partially solved
By sending all five player back to rebound.
Of course, if the Warriors were excellent at keeping the ball, then I would say rebounding. But they are 19th in turnover differential – not a good place to be.
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by doubleteapot on Feb 7, 2012 11:42 PM PST up reply actions
We're squarely middle-of-the-pack in turnovers
Almost exactly at the league average at 14.2%, and 18th out of 30 teams.
However, we are the third worst defensive rebounding team in the league. Only the kings and Wizards are worse.
I misread the question
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by doubleteapot on Feb 8, 2012 12:02 AM PST up reply actions
if you play undersized and your rebounders cant rebound anyway
you end up like the Hawks under Mike Woodson, playing extremely slow to limit rushed shots and maximize rebounding opportunities yet allowing the most transition points in the league
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 8, 2012 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
I think our team’s horrible rebounding is more of an issue than Curry’s turnovers. Note i didn’t say our teams turnovers but Curry’s turnovers.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 7, 2012 11:51 PM PST up reply actions
Curry's turnovers are a problem
Once again, a 2:1 assist to turnover ratio is not good for a PG
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by doubleteapot on Feb 7, 2012 11:55 PM PST up reply actions
Why do you have such odd barometers?
Is there any way a PG could be good while having that ratio?
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 7, 2012 11:57 PM PST up reply actions
Yes if he scored at a ridiculous high rate
but then he’d be a shooting guard
And those barometers are from statistics. The league average is 2.26. Top point guards have somewhere around a 3:1 assist/TO ratio. If you have a 2:1 assist/TO ratio, you are a bad passing point guard, and probably should not be a point guard because you can’t pass.
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by doubleteapot on Feb 8, 2012 12:01 AM PST up reply actions
And yes Westbrook is more SG than PG
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by doubleteapot on Feb 8, 2012 12:03 AM PST up reply actions
And they are all bad PGs this year
Westbrook is a scorer, not a passer
Wall has not taken the next step and is making the same dumb decisions on an awful Wizards team
Williams wants out of New Jersey and is playing badly
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by doubleteapot on Feb 8, 2012 12:11 AM PST up reply actions
Tonight Curry had 10 asts and 3 TOs
According to the ESPN box score (don’t know if that’s official or not).
So he was better than 3-to-1, and yet we still have people here yammering about his TOs being a problem.
3 turnovers in 43 minutes are NOT the problem with this team. That’s not why we lost tonight. It wouldn’t have been the problem even if he’d had two more TOs bringing him down to your completely arbitrary 2:1 threshold.
A/TO is a dumb stat.
Because they’re not really correlated.
eg – Steph’s big 4th quarter TO was the play where he shuffled his feet trying to get under the defender rather than jumping up into him to draw the foul.
That play has nothing to do with him being a PG. Yet it affects his A/TO ratio which you seem to be holding up as the barometer of PG play.
Furthermore, if you’re talking about Curry’s turnovers being a problem, then his assists aren’t relevant to the discussion. His turnovers wouldn’t suddenly become less damaging if, say, Lee converted a shot (and got him another assist) rather than being fouled and settling for two FTs (and thus no assist).
So talking about assist-to-turnover ratio ends up completely muddying the waters when the discussion is how big a problem Steph’s TOs are for the team.
Last I checked
The PG has to take care of the ball. With large sample sizes things tend to even out, and you can tell whether a player is making good decisions or not
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by doubleteapot on Feb 8, 2012 12:14 AM PST up reply actions
I suppose assists might go down
If the PG was playing with a bunch of bad shooters, so that should be taken into account. But Steph is playing with a bunch of good shooters.
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by doubleteapot on Feb 8, 2012 12:15 AM PST up reply actions
"The PG has to take care of the ball"
Yes. Turnovers matter.
On the other hand, that’s not an argument for using ast/to as your go-to metric.
Why is that the relevant measure of turnovers as opposed to TOV% or TOV/36?
Why is that the relevant measure of turnovers as opposed to TOV% or TOV/36?
Exactly!
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 8, 2012 12:31 AM PST up reply actions
A point guard has two jobs on offense
As the primary ballhandler, he needs to get other players involved (assists)
As the primary ballhandler, he also needs to hold on the the ball (turnovers)
I use the ratio because both stats must be used to analyze point guard play. If a player turns it over 8 times per 36 minutes, it might seem bad – but if he also gets 24 assists per 36 minutes, then it’s not so bad. It’s also probably good to check the sample size of assists and turnovers.
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by doubleteapot on Feb 8, 2012 12:36 AM PST up reply actions
And yet, since Curry scores more than the average point guard,
you also have to factor that he’d have more TOs caused by “scoring” plays than most PGs.
You expect a certain percentage of TOs on “distributing” plays and a certain percentage on “scoring” plays. Curry has more scoring plays than most PGs, so you would expect more scoring TOs. That’s going to skew his A/TO as an evaluation of his PG abilities.
The fact that Curry appropriately shoots more than most PGs (because he’s really good at it) shouldn’t be used as an argument against him being a PG, and yet by using A/TO that’s exactly what you’re doing.
Why do you pick such an arbitrary number?
A lot of turnovers have nothing to do with running a team like offensive fouls or shuffling of the feet, etc.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 8, 2012 12:31 AM PST up reply actions
In general
I believe the “judgement calls” by referees even out in the long run
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by doubleteapot on Feb 8, 2012 12:38 AM PST up reply actions
also if a player gets fouled instead of making the shot
there’s no assist there even if he made a good pass and took care of the ball. Assist to turnover ratio is as bad as ppg.
also if Steph is nailing his passes
and his teammates make a wrong cut or let it hit them in one hand and drop it out of bounds
Steph gets the TO for that
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 8, 2012 9:46 AM PST up reply actions
Curry will improve on his turnovers as he matures....
This team rebounding problem is the deal killer….along with the total level of defense and toughness under the basket.
by Only In Fairfax on Feb 8, 2012 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
That's just moronic.
The difference between the TOs Curry creates and what you would expect a PG to create is not that big. It’s probably less than 1/36 minutes.
Whereas we just fail to get a ton of key rebounds every close game.
I'm saying that statistically, TO% is more correlated with winning
than rebounding percentage. Though there may be a point where rebounds matter more to winning than TO%. And the Warriors are absolutely awful on the glass.
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by doubleteapot on Feb 7, 2012 11:54 PM PST up reply actions
I’m saying that statistically, TO% is more correlated with winning
I agree!
But your argument that Curry’s turnovers hurt more than the teams pathetic rebounding is not supported by anything.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 7, 2012 11:56 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry I misread the question
I agree that rebounding is more important than Curry’s turnovers
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by doubleteapot on Feb 7, 2012 11:58 PM PST up reply actions
Ok.
Glad we got that figured out.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 8, 2012 12:30 AM PST up reply actions
I think that stat is more important when talking about the team as a whole
instead of 1 person.
PG a/t% question
Sorry for the late insert, but why do you say Curry’s a/t% is “in line with most PG’s around the league”? When I look at hoopsdata for 2010-11, 30gms, 25mpg, his per40 rank is 33 of 34 (Tyreke Evans is #34 — guess he played enough PG to qualify). Not much better in 2009-2010 (4th from bottom). Tis year, in 13gms, hes moved up to 21st. Not interested in debating the importance of the stat; why do you say he’s “average”? He’s clearly well below average in this area.
Only 34 Pg's in the league?
That’s obviously not right.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 8, 2012 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
That’s obviously not right.
34 doesn’t sound unreasonable to me based upon the contstraints. Rather than say “obviously not right”, why don’t you take 2 mins and check it yourself? If your posts were backed by facts, you might find more support for your opinions.
by TrueGSfan on Feb 8, 2012 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I didn't read it correctly, my bad.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 8, 2012 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
And it's not that valuable of a designation.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 8, 2012 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
Well, this gets to the issue I addressed in my other post:
Because Curry rightly shoots more than most PGs, he’s going to have more shooting turnovers (like the 4th quarter travelling call in last night’s game).
This means that A/T is a particularly bad tool to compare PGs who shoot a lot with guys who are primarily distributors.
Shooting a lot doens’t make you a bad PG, necessarily. It does make A/TO a bad tool to evaluate your PG skills.
As I said, the IMPORTANCE of the stat is a different issue. Other scoring PG’s have lower-than-avg A/Ts, but Curry is in the bottom of this group as well. IMO, this is significant because of the type of shooter Curry is. Westbrook and Rose have low A/T’s but they attack the rim a lot and, as you point out, they turn it over in the process of creating a shot. The best jumpshooting PG’s have great A/T’s (e.g., Paul, Nash). My perception is that a lot of Curry’s TO’s occur in “pure” passing situations, like those lazy, telegraphed passes at the top of the key (usually when he’s fatigued). For that reason, I would tend to agree with those that judge his conversion to a PG cannot be judged successful – not yet anyway.
Yep
Curry’s a jump shooter right now, especially with that bum ankle. Almost all his turnovers are due to passing, not shooting.
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by doubleteapot on Feb 9, 2012 12:30 AM PST up reply actions
Not sure how much is the ankle
Curry has never been a aggressive attacker, even when the ankle wasn’t an issue.
I really don't like HoopData's designation of TOR
because it doesn’t include assists. But Curry still doesn’t compare very favorably there, and it includes only shots v turnovers. He’s below average within the same sample group (though much closer to average). The thing is, everyone with a worse turnover rate, also has a better assist rate (which, I know, also includes turnovers and shots in its formula). I’d like to see a number that sort of combines the two. I’d guess he finishes close to last. That’d be pretty much in line with what my eyes are telling me.
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I will agree...
…that the WAY he gets his turnovers can be maddening.
by warriorsablaze on Feb 7, 2012 11:07 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah but overall he turns it over too much
Also, a lot of those assists came on the pick and roll we killed the Thunder with. I was surprised we didn’t run it more.
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by doubleteapot on Feb 7, 2012 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
Why does the pick and roll...
… make assists count for less?
by warriorsablaze on Feb 7, 2012 11:08 PM PST up reply actions
I was just remarking that Curry should have run that pick and roll more
Thunder couldn’t stop it
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by doubleteapot on Feb 7, 2012 11:10 PM PST up reply actions
Please
Can they just tank the season? It’s not like they are going to win or even make the playoffs in such a tight Western Conference. So just tank the season, get a top 5 pick in the draft, and do possibly a total restructuring of the team during the offseason/trade deadline. Which means definitely trading David Lee and maybe Monta Ellis for picks and young star players. Oh, and definitely get rid of Biedrins somehow
Why? We are out of playoff picture since we will play mostly west coast teams which are all hard to beat(on road even harder).
There goes that season if I use MJ line! Now most important is what we do regarding our future which does not look bright. I can’t even imagine this team making playoffs in years to come. Lakers, OKC, Blazers, Mavericks, Denver, Minnesota, Clippers, Spurs, Jazz, Mephis are all better teams and honestly I doubt we will pass any of them even more without our draft pick.
I wonder
if some of the players on the team talk about Biedrins and his poor production to his face?
I doubt it.
but I bet they cut him to shreds when he’s not around.
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Mark Jackson at the podium. Lee, Curry, Monta in the locker room. CSN highlights, recap.
No excuses basketball team
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by doubleteapot on Feb 7, 2012 11:14 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks to "Slogan Jackson".
No excuses basketball team
by Only In Fairfax on Feb 8, 2012 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
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Rusty recap. warriors.com audio. nba.com “Nightly Notable” with some Monta highlights.
During Steph's interview
can anyone tell what the reporter asks him when he says I don’t know at around 1:09/1:10. He hesitates and has a little smile and says IDK.
Something about the calls but can anyone hear what the question is?
Try listening to the mp3
the question is a lot clearer there
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Ahh, OK! Thanks, will do.
His response was sort of sly, so I wondered what it was that made him do that.
If only we had a CENTER!!!!
We would have won this game! NEED CENTER NOW!!
Too much Kevin Durant
He rocks. Nobody can guard him. Warriors needed all engines firing and almost did it.. fun game! There’s been a lot of close games, but the W’s lack a closer. Ellis is not that guy. Neither is Lebron. Dont neccessarily need franchise players- but somebody who can create and hit big shots.. somebody like Nick Van Exel, Baron Davis, Gilbert Arenas.. we’ve had closers before on this team.
Having a center that can help secure those key rebounds we miss out on
Would help us win alot more games than say having a guy that can hit those “clutch” gamewinners once inawhile. Shouldn’t be in that situation in the first place if we got the rebound before the Durant bank shot.
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Probably got a life lolz.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 8, 2012 12:30 AM PST up reply actions
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nba.com’s “Ellis Brings The Thunder” – nearly all of Monta’s 48 pts.
ok, that's all for tonight
i have absolutely no idea where gumby is.
Thanks
Oh, and BTW… HE’S RIGHT BEHIND YOU WITH A KNIFE
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by doubleteapot on Feb 8, 2012 12:53 AM PST up reply actions
Good effort.
Only one problem…no W
They played well. They played with effort. They played with focus. Really nothing else to say. Not expected to win, but when you play that well, no matter who the opponent is, you’ve got to come out with the W if you want to be a good team. We’re terrible at closing games this year.
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Trade Curry for Bynum?
Or any other decent C??? Bogut? Hibbert? Anyone please! That’s the first step toward playoffs. With this roster, we will get out rebounded every game. We will get pounded inside every game.
by gswarriors12 on Feb 8, 2012 6:33 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
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