Warriors may be willing to trade for Howard even if he walks away:
The Warriors, I’m told, are realistic about their chances here, but they like the idea of sitting Howard down, and giving him the Lacob/Guber/Jerry West/Mark Jackson spiel.
Then they’d see what happens.
Also, one source indicated that Lacob wouldn’t want Howard to walk away for nothing, but is at this point willing to consider letting that all happen–as a last option–to clear out the Warriors’ cap situation and re-start.
The Warriors weren’t going to do this for Paul. They are willing to entertain the notion of a clear-out for Howard.
Again, Lacob likes his core. But if he had a shot at Howard, he’d apparently risk giving up two or three of his favorite pieces and if it meant re-starting when/if Howard left, Lacob seems to be OK with it.
For the chance to re-sign Howard.
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2012/02/08/warriors-eye-dwight-howard-its-immensely-unlikely-but-apparently-not-impossible/
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We wouldn’t be able to trade Monta AND Lee, so who would you rather pair up:
Monta/Howard
Lee/Howard
Its pretty much a given that Steph would be in the trade. Otis Smith apparently is interested in “a few” of our players… Jeremy Tyler? Klay? Udoh?
I'd rather have Monta and Lee
Better player, better contract, better fit
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I’d rather have Monta and Lee
Jesus, I would kill for that combo. We’d be unstoppable. Make it happen, Lacob!!!!
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 8, 2012 12:57 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Wow , terrible typo
LMAO
But I heard that Lee guy was a all star for New York… ;)
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last night he messed around and got a triple double, Monta nearly scored 50 and we still lost.
we suck:(
Defense matters just as much as offense.
by Uwe Blog on Feb 8, 2012 4:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
the problem is we have no wing that can D up anyone, if we had a Iggy type defender on the wing and we have the worst center in the history of basketball. if these issues were addressed you dont think this team would be drastically better
Better? Definitely. Good? Well, obviously depends on how good those two players you’re talking about are, but realistically, we’d probably be about average overall. Unless those two players were Iguodala and Howard. Then we’d be pretty freaking good…
by Missing Barry on Feb 8, 2012 9:06 PM PST up reply actions
this isn't really true anymore
the problem is we have no wing that can D up anyone
Now I would say we do have enough defense at the wings, it’s our ballhandlers and bigs that are struggling
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus
by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 9, 2012 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
I'd rather have Lee/Howard
Lee/Howard would be the best complement of skills. Howard is the ideal Center to make Lee shine and vice versa: Lee’s finesse offense and passing game pairs well with Howard’s power game. And, Lee’s defensive ineptitude would be overcome by Howard’s prowess.
However, Howard has stated a desire to play with Monta (which could ease his decision to stay), and I’d think Orlando would much rather trade for a big/small combo than two smalls.
by Lacob's Ladder on Feb 8, 2012 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
But, honestly, I really don’t care either way as long as we get Dwight Howard :)
by Lacob's Ladder on Feb 8, 2012 6:14 PM PST up reply actions
call me crazy
but I think that Monta becomes an all-star along Howard. I think he’s a perfect complement. here’s why:
Monta is strongest going to the hoop. We know he’s a fantastic finisher, he’s good at drawing contact (when he wants to), and this year he’s shown that he can be a great playmaker for his bigs under the hoop. Monta driving, with DH12 in the paint is unstoppable. You can’t help off of DH12, because Monta will hang under the hoop, then give it to Howard for the easy dunk. But you also can’t stop Monta one-on-one at the tin. It’s a complete catch 22 for the D.
Also, when DH12 has the ball in the post, help will often come from Monta’s man, leaving Monta open 15-20 feet from the hoop. That sounds horrible because monta is an inefficient jump shooter, but the reality is Monta rarely shoots when open. He prefers the contested pull up jumper. When he’s open he much prefers to use his killer first step to blow by the defender who is hurrying to close out. From that point on, he’s deadly.
I think that DH12 allows Monta’s strengths to shine, while hiding many of his weaknesses. It’s the opposite for Lee. With DH12 in, Lee is forced out of the paint, onto the perimeter, where he becomes a 1-dimensional player, with that one dimension (mid-range jumper) being the least efficient shot in basketball, from a player not particularly good at it.
As much as I’d cry when Steph left, I say trade Curry, Lee and someone else if need be for Howard. Give Monta a try as PG, in a Westbrook-esque role, which allows Wright to slide over to the 2, Rush to play the 3 (or vice versa), and have Udoh as the starting PF. You have the strongest defensive frontcourt in the league, four of your five starters are above-average defensively, you surround DH12 with two fantastic spot-up three-point shooters, and one slasher, and you do work.
And I, honestly (though admittedly biased) think Howard would stay. He wants money and to have fun. When the Dubs absorb his contract they’ll be able to offer him tens of millions more. He’ll be playing for the best fans in the NBA, after years of half-full arenas. He’ll be having fun playing alongside the flashiest player (Monta) he’s ever played with. He’ll be going from a strict GM and Coach to a charismatic player’s GM and Coach. I think he stays. And, as much as I love Curry, it’s worth the risk.
"Alex is balling. He’s balling out." - Frank Gore
by bradyk2 on Feb 8, 2012 5:14 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
I absolutely agree
After watching the Westbrook/Monta match up, I believe Monta can be our Westbrook. Who cares if he isn’t a true PG, he’s shown that he can be killer with the ball in his hands and has shown that he can make the pass. Monta/Klay/Wright/Udoh/Dwight would be a killer lineup. It’s basically an upgraded younger Magic roster at every position.
F the Po Po
The only problem is that Orlando would probably demand some of our young guys which would most likely take Klay/Udoh out of that lineup.
For Howard.
Its not even worth thinking about as long as you have Howard, and a decent guard that can compliment Howard.
Who cares if he isn’t a true PG, he’s shown that he can be killer with the ball in his hands
Meh, I dunno. I’d say he’s usually closer to killing his own team than the other team with the ball in his hands. I like a lot of what Monta is capable of, but we’ve had years of evidence now that he just isn’t a primary ballhandler, and his lack of improvement handling the ball isn’t exactly changing that evaluation.
by Missing Barry on Feb 8, 2012 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
True
I don’t really see him as a great ball handler but it’s probably what we’d be left with after the trade.
F the Po Po
Question #2
Are you down with a complete and proper rebuild if/when Howard walks?
On one side we take a shot at convincing Howard to stay or give up $30 million, but if he does walk then we get to completely rebuild.
I am down with either scenario.
I think Lee is going to stay
His contract wouldnt be of interest to the Magic and there’s a “David Lee Day” in San Francisco for goodness sake.
If the Magic insist on including Hedo in the deal, they will have to take back some salaries in return. They would have to take on one of the Warriors big contracts. The Lakers deal probably makes a lot more sense for them if they can get Bynum. The Lakers have a trade exception from the Odom trade and Orlando could get rid of Hedo without taking on another big contract.
Hedo actually doesn't fit into the trade exception. It's not big enough.
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He would, yes.
But his contract is no monstrosity. It’s less than $20M over 2 years and he’s a capable starting PG in the NBA. Why would Orlando want to throw him away for free?
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They would do the trade for Bynum. If you can’t keep Howard, then Bynum might be the next best option. Hedo only has 3 yrs left on his contract. Nelson looks is declining so why not shed his salary if you have the opportunity? They are going to have to rebuild around Bynum if they make the trade, so why not try and get younger?
Bynum's 1 year younger than Dwight, and a FA after next season.
If they want to keep him, they don’t have time to “rebuild” around him. If they suck next year, he leaves. It’s that simple.
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
Good point, I was under the assumption Bynum was under contract for another season. He could walk after next season, but they might have a better shot at keeping him than Howard. He’s already won 2 rings as a third fiddle. He might be more willing to take a fat contract for the security and being the main guy.
Even if they do keep Jameer, they aren’t going to be a contender. Shedding salaries seems to be a big priority for them. They’re already paying Arenas $20 mil/yr for not playing. Maybe they could trade Hedo for Blake and Walton and send Nelson for the trade exception. That would save them some money and help their salary cap situation. Who really knows at this point? The Lakers may not get him, but I don’t see the Warriors pulling off a trade for him either.
There's an argument to both sides
as far as which of the two centers would be willing to re-sign in Orlando. For Bynum, it could just be a pit stop. That should be a legitimate concern for Magic management. However, with Dwight, it’s been home for 8 seasons now. It’s a 2 hour flight from home (Atlanta). He has a connection with the fans, teammates, coaches, and management. With the area even. In just one season, Bynum could never develop that. His ONLY reasons to sign there would be the role and the money. Dwight has far more reasons to stay, since he would also retain the role and make the most money by doing so. It just depends what he values more at this point. With his happy-go-lucky personality, I’m not really sure that it’s winning.
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Yeah, there are a lot of variable to take in to consideration. Dwight has been in Orlando since he was 18 and now he wants to go to a city where he can expand his brand and play with other stars. Bynum has already done the big city thing and isn’t nearly as marketable as Howard. Maybe he settles for playing in a smaller market.
A lot of guys have been awful this year.
But yeah, let’s characterize who he is as a player off of 20 games from this season…
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well that's not good reasoning to want to give him away for free
which is what I figured your comment was about, since it was the topic.
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
He hasn’t been very good the last couple years, either, though obviously you’re right that this year he’s been far worse but it’s SSS. I don’t think many teams would be interested in Jameer as anything but a backup at this point. Just hasn’t been the same player since he got hurt.
by Missing Barry on Feb 8, 2012 9:11 PM PST up reply actions
If you are going to throw one hail Mary, this is the guy to do it on.
If you can make the trade, you do it. If Howard wants to walk, then let him take the financial hit. Lacob has talked about making bold moves, and this would definitely qualify as a bold move. I don’t really like the Ws chances of actually being able to make the trade so this may all be a moot point. I can just see the Warriors getting to the brink of consummating a trade for Howard only to see the Lakers or Clippers sweeping him up in the last second.
not gonna happen
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus
by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 8, 2012 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Like I’ve been saying and like TK just mentioned in his article…
Warriors have the 2nd best trade offer for Howard as of now. Lakers blow out the competition if they include Bynum, true but Mavs don’t have anything to give, Nets are giving all picks + Lopez, something Magic aren’t interested in. Clipps wont break up their team.
I’m actually surprised TK said we only have a 2% chance. I would think if Orlando decides to move Howard, Warriors are a team they would seriously look at, as long as Curry’s ankle is good of course
by Babyface Assassin on Feb 8, 2012 5:31 PM PST up reply actions
I agree.
Sure, other teams might have better players to offer, but they aren’t willing to trade them for a Howard that ends up leaving the team.
The teams that do want to trade, like you mentioned, don’t have great packages either.
Although I think Orlando will keep Howard and see how far they make it in the playoffs.
Trade Monta, Lee, and Curry.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 8, 2012 12:52 PM PST reply actions
lets just trade rosters?
"Anthony Davis is no different than Al Farouq Aminu." - J--Ridah
Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
Monta, Lee, Curry and Kwame add up to Dwight and Turk.
However they might not want want David Lee’s contract….
They’d want our young guys instead…Klay, Udoh, Tyler for example.
DH is
phenomenal but this guy just frustrates me If he wanted to win a ring it wouldn’t matter the “market” you play in. It would matter the team you play for.
The Magic have a terrible roster but so do the Nets. The Warriors have good to great players at the 1 2 and 4 spots, with good bench depth. If Wright or Rush were a little better and we added Howard at the 5 we would win 65-70 games a season and be in contention every year. If that’s not what he wants then this guy isn’t a team player.
Cocaine's one helluva drug.
The Warriors have good to great players at the 1 2 and 4 spots, with good bench depth. If Wright or Rush were a little better and we added Howard at the 5 we would win 65-70 games a season and be in contention every year. If that’s not what he wants then this guy isn’t a team player.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 8, 2012 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
You do realize how trades work in the NBA work don’t you? I hate advocating the Trade Machine, but you might want to go give it a shot.
Free Agency…is what I am referring too…
Obviously if we are trading for him we will have DH and probably one of Ellis or Curry and then nothing else.
I understand, but my post towards DH was more about how he is frustrating because it seems that while he is the best in the world, it feels to me that he is more interested in being a celebrity than winning a ring and using our current roster in comparison to the Magics and also the Nets…
Yeah, unfortunately, that seems to be fairly common in the NBA these days. Even if Howard’s first priority is winning, I don’t think the Warriors would be one of his top choices. Warriors and winning aren’t exactly synonymous. There are better situations out there.
No they aren’t winning, but if he goes there he will be playing alongside Deron Williams and moving to Brooklyn. They will win and he can play in a huge market for Jay-Z and a Russian billionaire. All of the other teams he has green lighted to trade for him are winners. There is an outside chance he might resign with the Warriors if they traded for him since he could get more money by staying. He might be surprised that he likes the situation here. But, do you really think he would take significantly less money to play here? Why would he even consider that when he can sign in Dallas for more? It’s not logical.
Because he’s probably pretty fed of of having to do everything by himself night in and night out. He hasn’t had a half capable #3 as his sidekick since Jameer was good a few years ago. I can definitely understand the appeal of playing next to Deron for him.
by Missing Barry on Feb 8, 2012 9:13 PM PST up reply actions
Who's been his #2?
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 8, 2012 9:34 PM PST up reply actions
I can’t even pick out someone from the pile of suck he plays with. This year Anderson, obviously, and I’m a big fan of Anderson, but let’s be honest – he’s a very useful, but pretty limited, role player.
by Missing Barry on Feb 8, 2012 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
We can’t sign Howard as free agent. Setting aside the fact that we’re nowhere near his list of acceptable destinations, we don’t have the money under the cap to sign him.
As far as us v. NJ: I’m not seeing the glaring difference in talent between the top end of our roster and theirs. If the Warriors had “good to great” players at three starting positions, they wouldn’t have a winning percentage of .364. I’d say we have one player who you can legitimately call an above average starter at his position (Curry) and he may have a chronic injury issue and/or be homesick for NC. The other guys, once you factor in defense, are average at best, imho.
Nets top 5: Deron, Marshon, Lopez, Morrow, Humphries,
Warriors top 5: Curry, Monta, Lee, Klay, Udoh
I’d probably take our group (mostly ‘cos I’m a Curry fanboy and think Brook Lopez sucks), but I suspect there are plenty of NBA players and GMs who would consider their core talent marginally less pathetic than ours.
There will be no extra point!
. Setting aside the fact that we’re nowhere near his list of acceptable destinations
What about the Montay Ellis card we have in the hole?
I’m thinking DHo might just re-sign at magic since they can pay him more than any other team?
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 8, 2012 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
Come on Monta is above average. But if not, then Curry certainly isn't above average due to his own deficiencies.
The other guys, once you factor in defense, are average at best, imho.
Factoring Curry’s horrendous defense and sloppy passing and lack of penetration, I seriously question whether Curry can be considered above average.
Maybe true. On the other hand, scoring in the high teens on 58, 59% TS% is nice.
by Missing Barry on Feb 8, 2012 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
Curry penetrating - he may not play above the rim, but he can cause problems when he plays aggresive
he’s still trouble, but more like Nash: quick floaters, layups, dump-off passes. It’s equally effective…
and yes Curry defenders, I know Steph can theoretically dunk, you’ll just never see him finish off a drive through traffic like that
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus
by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 9, 2012 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
what part do you disagree with?
the 65-70 wins obviously. How many teams even including DHo teams have done that recently?
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 8, 2012 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
scary thought
but I would risk it for Dwight. Who knows, maybe he surprises us and re-ups here? Why he would do that, I have no idea, but even if he doesn’t, maybe we have a chance to really rebuild? Argh, idk anymore.
If we can't tank
We might as well use our assets to clear cap space, at the very least. Best case scenario DH re-signs and we build around him. Worst case, we have sufficient cap space to be a real player in FA, maybe not next year, but the year after. We might be able to tank for real next year if DH walks and we have no “core.”
/endfantasy
I don't know..this just seems idiotic...
as an owner, you need to look in the mirror and know your limitations….You could not convince Tyson Chandler to come play for you for a lot of money all the while employing his friend/neighbor as head coach……..you could not convince Chris Paul to extend his option and give you two seasons…..you want to trade your 23 year old most valuable asset for most likely nothing? Just stupid…Curry is too good to give up for nothing….you say, “it’s ok, I’ll just clear salary when I get rejected and start over”….Horrible attitude…if you are willing to do that, why don’t you make a freaking move now and try to get something for your overpriced vets? This just makes sense…not buying the kool-aid….do not support this
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Feb 8, 2012 1:59 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I don't think Chris ever said he wouldn't accept his player option.
We just never had a deal that New Orleans wanted. They wanted Curry. We didn’t want to trade him.
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
i read reports saying Lacob was ready to deal Curry if Paul would give him the extra year...
Paul wouldn’t…so Lacob didn’t….History has shown that this ownership can attract second rate NBA talent just like the old regime…they are on a quest to reel a big fish…don’t go throwing years of talent/development in search of the holy grail…if ownership put half as much effort as trying to build a team that can sustain winning rather than gambling to attract a big fish, we might actually win some games.
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Feb 8, 2012 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
Guaranteed big fish > wasting time watching prospects running through our fingers like water
And I never saw anything suggesting that Labob considered trading Curry. It was said that he was never offered.
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
key quote...
“the Warriors could only stomach the inclusion of Curry if they knew Paul would extend his contract as part of the trade or at least commit to invoking his option for the 2012-13 season. Golden State has still received no such promises”
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Feb 8, 2012 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
well here you go...
The Golden State Warriors have effectively withdrawn from the Paul sweepstakes by stressing to the Hornets that they simply won’t include star guard Stephen Curry in any deal with New Orleans.
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
ya because...Chris Paul made it clear...
he would only give the warriors one season up front….only L.A and New York would get an immediate extension…he decided to extend his option 1 year for the Clips in the end….Lacob made it clear all along that he would trade Curry for 2 years of Paul but not 1
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Feb 8, 2012 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
that's not what the quote says
you’re extrapolating further meaning. and I remember a direct quote from Lacob that he never offered Curry for Paul. Can’t find it though
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
i know ...you are quoting articles right at the end of the whole saga...
they tried to get an extra year from Paul…he wouldn’t do it…So they told New Orleans they aren’t including Steph in any deal and tried to pawn Monta and were willing to deal Ellis for only one year of Paul…but Demps isn’t stupid.
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Feb 8, 2012 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
Lacob clearly undervalued CP3 and the market for him
It was a fail.
I’d rather have CP3 than Dwight. With CP3 we could attract ourselves a good defensive center.
Supposedly Chandler actually gave the Warriors real consideration. Not bad to actually be taken seriously when you’re in the running with NYK. Oh, and I’m all about the holy grail. Those are the kinds of players you need to win a championship. You have a better plan to land one?
by Missing Barry on Feb 8, 2012 9:17 PM PST up reply actions
Chris Paul
You have a better plan to land one?
I cannot stress how BADLY Lacob blew this one. We had the deal New Orleans wanted, and he let it go.
If we pulled the trigger of Curry for CP3, we’d have Chandler. I think too many times players think they are GMs and go by star appear. And while he knew GSW was a better fit “it’s nyc, they got melo and amare!” logic prevailed.
If we had Paul and Chander with Monta, Dorell, Lee we are an improved version of the 2008 hornets who won 57 games. That team had Peja’s swan song for 15 a game, david west and a bunch of suck.
I know it won’t be a popular opinion, but I think Monta’s efficiency is 100% linked to PG play. If you notice, the three games where Steph takes care of the ball and sets up his teammates, Monta’s efficiency is at 70.7ts%. Obviously, sample size is the Q, however even if we go with this…
Infact, here’s a telling figure, monta’s TS% with Steph- .549
Monta’s TS% without Steph- .477
That’’s a HUGE difference. And honestly, Steph’s play has been inconsistent this year for a variety of reasons. We don’t need more sample to show, when Monta had a good PG, his efficiency is excellent (Baron Davis, anyone). There is no better passer than CP3, so the combo would be unstoppable offensively. We know what CP3 is capable of (18-20 ppg on over .600), but monta would likely see a jump to atleast .570 probably higher on over 20ppg. That a lone is something New Orleans never had.
David Lee similarly could only benefit, and is a better offensively player than West. Defensively, we’d have some issues, however if Rush moved to starting 5 we’d have 3 positional + defenders, and monta and lee. Lee is a lost cause, Monta, in all actuality is showing to be a good team defender. His weaknesses are all size related.
I see no reason that squad would not win the pacific (Clippers would be done, Lakers would be where they are), and moving forward, we all know, when you win, your pieces are more valuable. Who is to say we can’t turn monta or Lee into a better overall player and more apt #2 option to CP3 and allow the remaining one of the Monta/Lee to fill in their most natural role, which is 3rd offensive option, on a better team.
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And yes, I don’t think CP3 would walk, and if he did, well then we blow it up. IF you want ot be bold, their is no bolder move. I think people overestimate power of a player. Leaving 30+ mil in new CBA on table, especially when you have knee concerns is dicey.
And personally I’d take CP3 over Howard. The only thing which makes me think otherwise is injury risk. But in terms of player. CP3 has the ball in his hands and makes everyone better. I’d rather have CP3 and a good defensive center than Howard and a good but not special guard.
by tafkasam on Feb 9, 2012 7:41 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I’d take Howard over Paul any day. C >>>>>> PG.
by Missing Barry on Feb 9, 2012 8:46 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I’d take Howard over Paul any day.
I agree, Binky when healthy is not much worse than CP3 but DHo is way better than Chandler.
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 9, 2012 9:07 AM PST up reply actions
Hmm
I think elite players win titles. Both are elite. I see no reason a Paul led team with a legitimate second option, and good interior D (Noah, Chandler etc…) cannot win as many titles as say a Howard led team with a legitimate perimeter second option (let’s same westbrook, Curry etc.) and good role players.
Let’s put it this way. I’d love to be in a position to worry about which is better
They are both elite players, but big men >>>>>>>>>>>>> small men.
by Missing Barry on Feb 9, 2012 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
Big men can impact the game more by controlling the paint on both ends, and they’re more valuable because of their scarcity.
by Missing Barry on Feb 9, 2012 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
you make some good points, tafkasam
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus
by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 9, 2012 9:48 AM PST up reply actions
Whatever it takes.
Ideally, you keep as much talent as possible and don’t take back Turkoglu.
But we win any trade that nets us Dwight.
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We win the trade
and he doesnt resign…we lose Curry, we lose Klay we lose Udoh and we get Hedo… in the long run…
did we really win?
I'd take 1 season of Dwight over 3 more of Curry
and while I like Klay, he and Udoh haven’t really shown how they’re anything special.
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why not try to build a team like philly and indy...
instead aiming to be worst than the Orlando Magic for half a season?
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Feb 8, 2012 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
Do you really want the answer to that? Because Philly and Indy aren’t freaking going anywhere. Well, Philly has had a nice start fueled by excellent D, so if they keep up top D, they could at least win a playoff series or two….but neither are actual championship contenders. No thank you.
by Missing Barry on Feb 8, 2012 9:20 PM PST up reply actions
Paul George could be a star down the line, I think.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 8, 2012 9:35 PM PST up reply actions
Gotta like what he’s done at age 20/21 so far, for sure. Looks like he has a good chance to be a very nice player, but hard to wing anything building around a wing. Doubtful he turns into a Lebron caliber player, more likely an Iguodala caliber player, ya know? Nice piece, but they still have a long way to go, unless Hibbert really does become an impact player. My money’s betting against him. Don’t look now, but his TS% has fallen below 54%…
by Missing Barry on Feb 8, 2012 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
Indy
Is stacked this year. They’re already one of the best teams in the league. Give them another year or two and they’ll be contenders.
Collison/George/Granger/David West/Hibbert
You don’t think that team is going nowhere? Is it only because you think they don’t have to have a superstar?
F the Po Po
Ha, it’s because: Collison/George/Granger/David West/Hibbert. They have the 6th best point differential in the East. They don’t have top talent. All of those guys have flaws. Very average NBA team.
by Missing Barry on Feb 9, 2012 8:48 AM PST up reply actions
It seems to me
that they’re the team that gave the Bulls a run for their money in the 1st round last year. The difference is offenses are a lot easier to run in the regular season, so their crappy iso sets don’t hurt them nearly as much as their great team defense helps them.
You’re right. Without top talent, they won’t have what it takes when the playoffs roll around.
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they also didnt have west on that team that gave chicago trouble
and paul george is a year better
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Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
George is their best player by the end of the season imo.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 10, 2012 1:09 AM PST up reply actions
i think if you factor in defense
you could make the argument that he’s their best player right now
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Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
of course, like brownie said
that’s more of a function of them not having a great player on the team than it is of george being a great player now. but i love his potential.
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Me: So who (from the 2011 draft class) compares with (Anthony) Davis?
J-Ridah: Biyombo
David West is not fitting in well yet.
Neither he nor George has played like a game-changer. No one on their team really has, which is essentially their biggest problem. It’s a team full of quality pieces with no elite talent.
Could George turn into that guy? Maybe. But he’s definitely not there yet.
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phily has built at team that is one player away from being legit contenders...
they have multiple pieces that can sustain winning even if someone goes down…they are at a point where one free agent signing or addition via trade and they are playing for the trophy…they are much better than Orlando….and much better than a stripped Dwight Howard led warrior team….they are on the brink….kinda like the we beleive warriors, they were 1 power forward away from contenders…but weren’t able to do it…this diwght howard scenario would turn this franchise into the a team similar to the New Jersey nets this past decade…maybe get double digit wins…take 5+ years to rebuild and still nowhere close
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Feb 9, 2012 12:56 AM PST up reply actions
What piece is Philly missing exactly?
They have Jodie Meeks at starting shooting guard and Hawes/Battie/Vucevic at center.
They have one of the better benches in the NBA with a Young, Williams, and Turner, but they aren’t really GREAT at any position. The closest they get is Iguodala, and the most notable thing he’s ever done is make the NBA’s All-Defensive 2nd Team. He’s not capable of taking over a game. Not the kind of player on the level of league’s superstars.
Deep teams without great players rarely do well in the post-season. It’s just hard to compete against teams with top-tier talent at multiple positions.
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
What piece is Philly missing exactly?
Montay ellis, they should trade us Iggy for him.
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 9, 2012 9:08 AM PST up reply actions
this diwght howard scenario would turn this franchise into the a team similar to the New Jersey nets this past decade…maybe get double digit wins…take 5+ years to rebuild and still nowhere close
Or, alternatively, it may turn us into the Celtics, or the Thunder.
by Missing Barry on Feb 9, 2012 8:50 AM PST up reply actions
That said
Don’t you think Phili (or Denver for that answer) are in a more favorable position to inevitably pull that trade for a star?
I mean they got a lot of players.
Well, it’s definitely what I’d be looking to do if I were them.
by Missing Barry on Feb 9, 2012 8:51 AM PST up reply actions
are you serious?
Udoh has shown great improvement and solid interior D. Thompson can be a starter in the league. His shot is well above average and when he can add some muscle to his frame he will be better at driving and defensively.
I dont see how trading all our young guys for 30 games and a terrible contract (hedo) is going to make us a championship team in the future.
Well, I wouldn't take Hedo unless we were giving them Lee and Biedrins
If nothing else, getting Howard shows that our management has balls. If we do it right, we can, even in not re-signing him, show that we are a more than capable home for a superstar. However, what you really need to bank on if you make this trade, is a playoff appearance. If not, that showcase isn’t worth much.
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
when he can add some muscle to his frame he will be better at driving and defensively
On a side note, I have some magic beans to sell you.
by Missing Barry on Feb 8, 2012 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
Well these are all rumors
Let’s see what actually happens
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So we won't risk trading for Paul
but we will risk trading for Howard? I don’t see the difference – not sure how likely this trade will go down. If the Warriors weren’t willing to do a one year rental on one superstar, why are they suddenly willing to do a one year rental on another superstar?
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it's dumb...
we got no shot at extending howard..and it isn’t even a year…it’s a lockout shortened season…the team is 22 games deep….trade prob wouldn’t go down for another 8-10 games…so you are looking at 30 games of Dwigh Howard for 5-10 years of Curry? idiotic.
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Feb 8, 2012 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
We're only guaranteed 2 more years of Curry after this one.
Not 5, and definitely not 10
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he becomes restricted...and if they don'y extend him after his rookie deal...
well, we got no hope
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Feb 8, 2012 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
Hoping that Curry will somehow make the Warriors a winning team is just pathetic and just exposes you as a huge Curry fanboy. You are way over rating him. Just because he has good form on his shot does not make him a winning NBA basketball player. Lacob is a fool if he thinks Curry is worth passing up opportunities on real players for. One thing that you and the rest of the fan base seem to be blind to is that Curry has shown zero leadership potential. ZERO.
With all due respect, I am a Analyst Hall of Fame candidate. If you are offended by my comment, I did write "With all due respect".
by KillaContract on Feb 8, 2012 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
no..u exposed yourself as a curry hater and obv can't evaluate talent...
srry, but i dont forget what it is like to run out a backcourt starting scott burrell ..curry is 23..and yes, is damn good…your inability to recognize this loses all credibility and makes me realize you have no clue what you are talking about…keep thinking monta is better
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Feb 8, 2012 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
Why can’t you respond to the leadership issue? Are you as blind as I predicted? Monta has almost ZERO leadership character either. Does that make you feel better? Just because Curry is better than Scott Burrell does not mean he can win as a PG in the NBA.
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by KillaContract on Feb 9, 2012 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
I dunno, “leadership” is a pretty subjective thing. How do you even judge that? How do you know the effects it’s going to have?
by Missing Barry on Feb 9, 2012 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
One area leadership might show up is if a player had an adjusted +/- that seamed too high relative to his other productivity statistics. This is kind of like how Goodwill is the difference between a companies balance sheet value and market value. By the way I think every person has the potential to develop leadership skills but Curry is way behind the curve to where he should be.
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by KillaContract on Feb 9, 2012 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
that there is just flawed logic
One area leadership might show up is if a player had an adjusted +/- that seamed too high relative to his other productivity statistics.
there may be some sort of correlation, but there is NO way this could be demonstrated as any sort of causal relationship
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
-brutusbrutus
by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 9, 2012 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
Just because he has good form on his shot does not make him a winning NBA basketball player.
No, but the fact that this shot goes in an extremely high rate relative to that of most other NBA players does help his team win. Making your shots at a high rate — and preventing your opponent from doing same — is how you win basketball games.
I’d add that Curry is no Eric Gordon or Kevin Martin — guys who score with efficiency and volume but do very little else on the floor. Curry is also a very good passer (7.5 assists per 36 this season) and a very good rebounder for his position (4.6 rebs per 36) . And while his defense is still shaky at best, he as least active enough on that end to be forcing 2.4 steals per 36 minutes. He still coughs it up too much and fouls too much, but so do many talented young players who do a lot of good things on the floor. LeBron James, for example, is turning it over at a significantly higher rate than Curry.
How many regular NBA players (i.e. >30 minutes per game) are currently averaging at least 18 pts per 36 on .580 ts with 7.5 pts, 5 rebs, and 2 steals? One: Stephen Curry.
By adjusted plus-minus — a pretty decent proxy for “helping your team win,” when measured over large sample sizes — Curry’s at +3.95 over the past two seasons, best on the team among starters by a wide margin (Dorell is #2 at +1.96; the others are all negative).
And he’s doing this at age 23, with somewhat sporadic playing time, on a messed-up ankle.
Those are the facts. On the other hand, we have your personal opinion that Curry has “zero leadership potential” — with zero written again in all-caps for emphasis. Well, we know what Clint Eastwood says about opinions; and I’m pretty sure you’d agree that shouting something doesn’t make it any more true.
I don’t know, call me crazy, but I’m siding with the facts.
There will be no extra point!
by Sleepy Freud on Feb 9, 2012 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
Ok I will back off my Curry has ZERO leadership potential stand a say it is an area he REALLY needs to work on. Also i think Monta seams to be suppressing his potential in that regards. By the way writing in CAPS is not yelling. I wish Curry would write more in caps. That would show some leadership character.
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by KillaContract on Feb 9, 2012 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
I wish Curry would write more in caps. That would show some leadership character.
Haha, awesome. I mean, really: what’s up with that wimpy camel-case StephenCurry30 handle he uses on Twitter? He should say it loud and proud like DWRIGHTWAY1!!! ;-)
There will be no extra point!
Actually I think it is more than just Monta suppressing Curry from taking on more of a leadership role. There is something about the whole organization that is stunting the development of leaders on this team. It must be related to the rampant nepotism at the top.
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by KillaContract on Feb 9, 2012 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
* edit
18 pts per 36 on .580 ts with 7.5 pts,54.5 rebs, and 2 steals
There will be no extra point!
Gordon is a good passer and defender. Only quibble I had.
Gambino is a mastermind...
by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 9, 2012 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
He can choose to take a 1 year qualifying offer and become a UFA the year after.
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
Orlando not a contender...
Warriors with gutted roster and Howard for 30 games = much worst than Orlando….loo,k past the superman physique and value Curry properly…kid is only 23…this would be one of the most short sighted moves….people will cry when Dwight Bolts to New Jersey as the warriors end the season under .500 with Charles Jenkins starting as your pg
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Feb 8, 2012 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
Outside of Dwight, Orlando's roster isn't any better than ours
perhaps not any better than even a depleted Warriors roster
I don’t care about who’s going to cry over Curry. I’ll know that we tried to change our fortunes. Rather than sit back, wait, and take the “conventional” approach. That approach, by the way, has helped just 1 team win a championship. Everyone else had the some part of their top 3 players come from elsewhere.
http://nbawarriors.wordpress.com/
Gotta agree, our rosters arent very different in terms of talent, but to get Dwight, we’d need to gut our roster even further and that would make us worse than orlando
by JustSomeName on Feb 8, 2012 4:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
it's actually the draft....
OKC – durant / westbrook – draft
Bost- Rondo/Pierce – Draft
Clips- Griffin – Draft
Minny- Rubio/Love (draft/draft day trade)
San – Manu/Parker/Duncan – draft
Dallas- Dirk Draft/draft day trade
Orlando – Dwight – Draft
Chicago – Rose/Noah – draft
Lakers- Bynum/Kobe draft/draft day trade
Sac- Evans/Cousins – draft
Milwuakee- Bogut – draft
Memphis- Gay – draft
Miami – Wade- draft
Past NBA title winners:
Dallas, La, LA, Celtics, Spurs, Heat, Spurs, Pistons, Spurs, LA, LA , LA, Spurs
Every title tam has it’s main core featuring its top lotto picks/first rounders + one or two additional addons via trade…..not teams that trade all their lotto picks for a superstar….The exception are the teams that trade away their homegrown talent for superstars and those teams have won nothing. You keep your good draft picks and find ways to add on via the draft or trade secondary pieces future assets for a team unloading a star….they always become available…this team needs to keep curry and find a way to add on by trading other assets
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Feb 9, 2012 1:12 AM PST up reply actions
Dallas drafted Dirk. They did not draft anyone else in their starting 5 from last season. In fact, Dirk was the ONLY player to play in the post-season that was actually acquired by Dallas through the draft.
The Lakers 2nd best player when they won the two championships was acquired through trade, and Bynum wasn’t exactly their 3rd best in any post-season due to struggling with injuries both times they won. Ariza might have actually been a bigger part of the 1st championship, and then Artest the next season.
The Celtics did not draft either KG (their best player when they won) or Ray Allen. There goes that argument.
The Spurs drafted their entire core. They’re the exception I was talking about.
Heat drafted Wade, but the entire rest of their team was built off of veterans they acquired through trade and free agency (minus Haslem?)
The Pistons didn’t draft any of their 4 best players the year they won.
Shaq was not drafted by the Lakers. That’s half the core of those 3 championships.
You said:
Every title tam has it’s main core featuring its top lotto picks/first rounders + one or two additional addons via trade
Boston did exactly this, twice in the same season, in fact:
not teams that trade all their lotto picks for a superstar
Miami traded a young Caron Butler and Odom (not homegrown though) for Shaq:
The exception are the teams that trade away their homegrown talent for superstars and those teams have won nothing
So we have the Spurs, with 3 players they drafted as their core, and we have maybe the Lakers, who had 2 of 3 in their later title runs. 2 teams, however they have accounted for 5 of the last 12 championships. The majority however, have relied more on improving through trade and free agency. In fact, 5 of the last 12 title teams have actually had their best player drafted by another team. So if you have a Kobe (best player on at least 2), or a Dirk, or a Duncan (on 3), or a Wade, sure you definitely hold onto them. But these guys are going to go down in the NBA’s top 50 list if it ever gets updated. Curry does not compare.
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I'm not disagreeing with you...
the warriors need to make a trade but it’s dumb trading their best piece if Howard only stay for 20-30 games. My point of listing those teams was to show that every good team has at least 1 or 2 guys that they drafted in the lotto/first round that thyey kept and used as part of the core…They found ways to trade their non-core guys for talent…..the warrriors need to do this
Though Boston traded for KG/Allen, they kept their best homegrown guy at the time (Peirce)….the Warriors need to pinpoint a superstar that can be acquired sans curry…problem is that they might have to way until utah uses the draft pick before a deal like that can be made
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Feb 9, 2012 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
I see the difference. One is a C one is a PG. Huge difference.
by Missing Barry on Feb 8, 2012 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
I'm down to dump Lee Biedrins and Monta for Turk and Howard, even if Howard walks
We either get to build around around a lineup of Howard, Udoh, DWright, Thompson and Curry. With Turkoglu, Rush and Jenkins off the bench.
Or
Howard walks and we get to start building through the draft and free agency for the next couple years.
I’m down either way
that's a dream scenario...
unfortunately..Orlando could probably pick a team out of a hat and get a better offer
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Feb 8, 2012 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
But out of all those teams, how many would be willing to take the risk and actually make the trade knowing he could walk away? It takes 2 to trade.
well if you look at that proposed trade......
it features Monta (ill give him some positive trade value), Lee (good player but very hard to have big trade value/makes little sense for Orlando considering they are trying to dump big contracts like Turkoglu), Biedrins (negative trade value/horrid contract/the center version of Turkoglu)…..so you are basically trading Monta and 2 huge cap unfriendly contracts for Dwight Howard…all the Lakers have to do is offer Gasol straight up for Howard and they dominate this offer
by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Feb 9, 2012 1:18 AM PST up reply actions
Of course you trade for Howard even without him resigning
there’s nothing to protect here really. This team/franchise is just bad on the court.
Curry is worth trying to keep but he’s walking unless something changes quickly anyway.
there’s nothing to protect here really. This team/franchise is just bad on the court.
Ha, so simple there just isn’t an argument against it.
by Missing Barry on Feb 8, 2012 9:23 PM PST up reply actions
Who the heck would we trade for him?
They wouldn’t want Lee.. Or Biedrins. They’d like Curry and Ellis, but not both.. Thompson and Udoh will probably be chucked in. I don’t think we have the pieces Orlando are looking for.
I’d definitely do it though, no matter who’s involved. With Dwight, better chance of making playoffs. Make playoffs, lose draft pick, Dwight walks, nice cap space, good pick next year with cap space to work with.
GSW '12 CHAMPS!
If Lacob trades to get Howard at least he makes good on one of his promises by having a Warrior in the Allstar game. I am not sure about the playoffs or the 25 home wins.
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by KillaContract on Feb 8, 2012 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
Wouldn't the 25 home wins be pro-rated?
In a 66 game season, it’s more like 20.
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Moving the bar on a promise. Sounds like a J-Ridah move. I am not sure about the fine print but I would still want my access to a two-hour autograph event with the entire team as promised. And Lacob should throw in a scandalous Warriors Girls appearance for good measure.
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by KillaContract on Feb 8, 2012 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
Didn't you learn one thing while watching the last pathetic decades of Warriors basketball? Perrenial loser with cap space attracts only David Lee's of this league not game changers!
I would rather go on and trade Monta and Lee for expirings and first round draft pick while keeping ours. That startegy brings you TWO first round draft picks(one or even two in the lottery) cap space and a fresh new start.
Man the Fanpost section still isn't back up huh
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yeah, what's going on?
yesterday Evanz’s post on Lin was obscuring everything!
"I am very worried about the Warriors"
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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 8, 2012 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
Not gonna happen anyway.... but it would end in disaster.
With the team completely gutted but not much cap room after (most likely) taking on Hedu’s contact along with Howard’s… we are still no better than 8th seed at best. Why would Howard stay on a team that has worse talent than the Orlando team he just left?
So Howard leaves, we still don’t have a draft pick, and, while having some nice cap space, are left as EVEN LESS of a desirable FA destination. Who would come to a garbage team with neither young talent or proven veterans? Cory Maggette. That’s about it.
Even worse, Lacob still wouldn’t tank most likely, and would trade Howard for some decent quality players in an attempt to “win now” and bring us right back to where we are now…
by warriorsablaze on Feb 8, 2012 3:42 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
This is the kind of bold move I can get on board with. Sign me up for the outside shot we actually keep Howard. What’s the worst that happens? He leaves, and we’re left with nothing? Look around. We don’t have much more than nothing right now. At least this way we can, for the first time in my fandom, execute a proper rebuild. Look, winning in the NBA centers around having elite talent. You have to make big moves and take risks if you want to land that kind of talent. It might not work out, but the chance that it does is better than stickign with an overpaid and undertalented core that isn’t going anywhere.
by Missing Barry on Feb 8, 2012 9:27 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Look around. We don’t have much more than nothing right now
we just played a pretty good game against the thunder and we beat the heat and the bulls so we are close to being legit. I wouldn’t break up the team for nothing but I would try to upgrade the bigs in some way. I’d like to move Montay for a bigger player but I’d wait till I see if Binky’s ankle heals before letting Montay go. I’d try to sell high on DLee and BRush and get one good big for both of them while they are putting up great numbers.
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 8, 2012 10:00 PM PST reply actions
J-RIDAH?
I have gone an entire day without seeing you, are you doing ok buddy?
Fantasy
Our inability to include a draft pick for Howard takes us out of the running from the get go. Unless we can find a third team to come in and offer their pick (in a strong upcoming draft) and take on salary, Howard is not taking his talents to the East Bay.
Well, depends on the competition. If we’re looking at teams like the Mavs or Lakers being our prime competitors, we aren’t really at much of a draft pick disadvantage against them, because they don’t have draft picks of much value.
by Missing Barry on Feb 9, 2012 8:53 AM PST up reply actions
The Lakers, however, have a replacement in Bynum and even though both the Lakers and Mavs 1st rounders will be late in the draft, they still have the pick to offer.
We just don’t have much to offer a team like Orlando because, a) they would have to take on a multi-year contract (if not two) and b) are not going to get a lot of young assets back to start the rebuilding process.
Like it has been said in reports, the Warriors may just be involved to keep up the price on Howard for other interested teams.
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