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Wouldn’t citing different stats be a better way to prove it? Like trends in his per 36.

I know for a fact you, MB, think that a player is defined by how many points, rebs, blks, or asts he gets at the end of a game.

by Doctor Kajita on Feb 9, 2012 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

True, I would have looked at different stats, but I’m not sure I would have come to a different conclusion. You know what Curry did the last 20 games of the season his rookie year? Averaged about 22 points per 36, 7 assists per 36, a bit over 3 turnovers per 36, 5 rebounds per 36, 2 steals per 36 (I quickly estimated the per 36’s, they may be a little off because I didn’t use exact calculations for the minutes part), 59% TS%. Now, sample size/regression towards the mean and all, but he hasn’t matched that since, and I’m not sure he’s had a 20 game stretch that good since, either. If he was continually developing as a player, I would expect that to basically offset the regression towards the mean part. In other words, that’s what he should be doing for us. He’s not. I haven’t seen much improvement from him at all, to be honest, and it does concern me.

by Missing Barry on Feb 9, 2012 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Unrelated note – I’m pretty sure I just figured out for the first time his first name is Wardell. Did other people know this?

by Missing Barry on Feb 9, 2012 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure I just figured out for the first time his first name is Wardell.

Haha. You’re officially kicked out of the Binky Fan Club.

Wardell Stephen Curry — same name as his Dad!

There will be no extra point!

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 9, 2012 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

For some reason I completely didn’t make the association with Dell. I’m so off right now.

by Missing Barry on Feb 9, 2012 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

See, this should replace the Fan Shot above.

I haven’t seen much improvement from him at all, to be honest, and it does concern me.

Agreed. IMO, this is neither a good or bad thing, but leaning toward bad given the circumstances of another losing season, injuries, inconsistent results, and I might argue inconsistent effort, but I can’t prove that.

by Doctor Kajita on Feb 9, 2012 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I haven’t seen much improvement from him at all, to be honest, and it does concern me.

Do you think it has anything to do with who his coach was his rookie season and who has been his coach since then?

by Spider Jerusalem on Feb 9, 2012 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Absolutely think that’s a factor.

by Missing Barry on Feb 9, 2012 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Now, sample size/regression towards the mean and all, but he hasn’t matched that since, and I’m not sure he’s had a 20 game stretch that good since, either. If he was continually developing as a player, I would expect that to basically offset the regression towards the mean part.

remember that monta missed a lot of those games though. we haven’t seen a lot of curry without monta since then.

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by bigkino217 on Feb 9, 2012 6:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I know for a fact you, MB, think that a player is NOT defined by how many points, rebs, blks, or asts he gets at the end of a game.

by Doctor Kajita on Feb 9, 2012 3:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Is it possible

His production inflated in a gimmicky system than didn’t pull any meaningful wins anyway?

by tafkasam on Feb 9, 2012 5:47 PM PST up reply actions  

What’s “gimmicky” about the system, exactly? There are tons of factors that have some effect on a players play/stats. What makes you think he was somehow a product of the system, rather than playing well?

by Missing Barry on Feb 9, 2012 6:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Answer is zero, hence the diary. But as Kajita says above:

these bottom line totals are not useful in proving anything and in fact, grossly misleading.

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by Sleepy Freud on Feb 9, 2012 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Compared to the rookie Curry, this year’s model is scoring at a higher volume, with better efficiency, rebounding at a higher rate, dishing dimes at a much higher rate, and forcing more steals. This despite repeatedly retweaking an ankle on which he had offseason surgery.

You were saying…?

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by Sleepy Freud on Feb 9, 2012 2:49 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Since then? How many would you guess?

if he’d stayed healthy? Probably more than his rookie numbers i’d guess but until he plays a full season without injuries we’ll never know.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 9, 2012 2:54 PM PST reply actions  

So we’ll never know is what you’re saying.

should be obvious, can’t have a comparison till he’s healthy, then we’ll know.
your question is premature speculation.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 9, 2012 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

infinity

that’s my guess

but seriously, Steph’s good, I dont worry all that much about him turning it around (of course, I’ve been saying that about Monta and Biedrens for years)

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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 9, 2012 3:01 PM PST reply actions  

completely agree

this is really the only area that has me honestly concerned

cuts down on the lazy fouls and careless turnovers

and both seem eminently fixable

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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 9, 2012 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Curry plays with heart and desire

I question that

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by dubzfan on Feb 10, 2012 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

why would you....never mind

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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 10, 2012 3:51 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Breaking News! Jeremy Lin farted TWICE in a practice!

Tyson Chandler has said that after he did it he blew past his defender with such ease he never saw in his long NBA career and thinks Lin is going to be a HOF if he adds this to his arsenal of moves. Warriors fans are felling sad now because we don’t have any proof Curry farted even once during practice or a game so clearly that’s what makes the difference between him and Lin!

by buky on Feb 9, 2012 3:24 PM PST reply actions  

we don’t have any proof Curry farted even once during practice

but do we have proof that lin was not adopted and is actually not chinese? he’s never released his birth certificate.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 9, 2012 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

hahaha

he’s actually NOT chinese….

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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 9, 2012 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

He’s not a Chinese national but he’s most likely of Chinese descent.

By the looks of it, it’s unlikely that his family has links to being indigenous to Taiwan (aka Taiwanese aborigines).

by Doctor Kajita on Feb 9, 2012 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I defer to your greater expertise in this area

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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 10, 2012 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Ha, well, my wife is Chinese, but she is a Taiwan national. It’s confusing to me too at times. All I know is them true Taiwanese live up in the mountains and are darker skinned. Heh.

by Doctor Kajita on Feb 10, 2012 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

All I know is them true Taiwanese live up in the mountains

there’s some hills at palo alto.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 10, 2012 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

mostly Koreans though, I think

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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 10, 2012 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

mostly Koreans though, I think

maybe that’s why Lin won’t produce his birth certificate? I’ll give donald trump a heads up.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 10, 2012 8:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Here's the problem:

30pts/10ast in a game is as much a function of pace as it is of skill.

Curry’s rookie year team pushed the ball up even when it didn’t have an advantage. That’s going to inflate everybody’s numbers a little.

by Ronaldinho on Feb 9, 2012 4:56 PM PST reply actions  

1. He was in Don Nelson’s up tempo system in 2009-2010.
2. There was a whole lot of injuries and Curry was in the driver seat after allstar break.
3. 2010-2011 season Warriors fired Nelson. He was a big part of how Curry was playing so well.

If the front office was concerned about the devlopment of Curry’s game, then they should have kept Nelson for his final year IMO.

by GSWeri on Feb 9, 2012 5:49 PM PST reply actions  

Or at least had a better backup to Nellie than Keith Smart….

by Missing Barry on Feb 9, 2012 6:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it had to do with him playing w/out Monta.

You don’t see his full potential with Monta in there but he makes Monta better so it’s a tradeoff.

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by GovernorStephCurry on Feb 9, 2012 8:28 PM PST reply actions  

ok then...

trade him, Dorrel and Kwame’s expiring for Freddie Adu, Kenny the Jet Rodriguez, Arthur Agee, a future draft pick and/or BJ Mullins + a bowl of Franken Berries

by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Feb 10, 2012 5:30 AM PST reply actions  

Nice Arthur Agee reference…

by Uwe Blog on Feb 10, 2012 12:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Nellie Develops Point Guards

I was very skeptical of Lacob when they fired Nelson because the man knows how to develop point guards. Tim Hardaway, Steve Nash, Avery Johnson — all were made better by their time under Nelson.

We all knew Smart was not the long term answer. We all knew it was going to be a transition year. So why not let Nelson finish the last year of his contract, develop Curry further. That last month Curry was a triple double threat nightly — and they were winning.

Firing Nelson was short sighted hubris.

by joegiant on Feb 10, 2012 3:20 PM PST reply actions  

Firing Nelson was short sighted hubris.

I would actually argue the opposite. It was a move to change the organizational culture – it’s all about the long-term of the organization.

by Missing Barry on Feb 10, 2012 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

this

I sure am missing Nellie lately (just because I think this team is still suited more to his style), but he HAD to go. Why wait two more years, when we knew he was one foot out the door anyways

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by Duby Dub Dubs on Feb 10, 2012 3:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Why wait two more years, when we knew he was one foot out the door anyways

cause the two years woulda been more entertaining?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 10, 2012 8:05 PM PST up reply actions  

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