Baron Davis....Stephen Jackson...and MATT BARNES Named Captains?!?!!?

by Zorgon on Oct 4, 2007 9:01 PM PDT

From ESPN:

Don Nelson, yet again, has pulled some bull right out of his oversized pocket.

Stephen Jackson....captain? The dude has gotten ejected too many times too many times....does anyone realise that he and Baron Davis were about one step from getting themselves suspended, and making the Dallas upset never happen? Does anyone realise that his emotions may have cost us the series against Utah? Does anyone realise that these first 7 games that he misses may cost us the playoffs? Get this crap outta my house! You gotta love his heart, but until he learns to keep his anger in check, he's no captain of mine.

Matt Barnes....captain? Approximately one year ago, he was the un-heard of scrub who came to training camp and barely made the team. He did improve, remarkably, to being a consistent BENCH performer. The dude is lucky to crack the starting lineup when there's injuries! During the playoffs his missed 3s killed the Warriors! I'm sorry, but until this guy can prove himself as a STARTER, let alone CAPTAIN, then he is no captain of mine.

Baron Davis is sensible.

Okay, so you're saying, "Zorgon, who could possibly be better?" Oh, I'll tell you who....

4 Possibilities:

Al Harrington: A dude with all the heart and hustle of JAckson, and NONE of the suspensions. Sure, his talent dipped during the early 'offs, but he brings consistent startability along with experience.

Andris Biedrins: Okay, this dude is young, but we all know he's an example to set. He was what, 4th in Most Improved Player rankings? He may not be the leader, but he gets his boards, gets his points, and it's all business.

Monta Ellis: See above, except that he is even better! The dude is still learning, but it's learning basketball skills, not trying to control your anger when you're over 30 years old. Oh, and: Monta for Dunk Contest! Member #1!

Mikael Pietrus: Okay, he might have the same amount of talent or less than Barnes, but the dudes now one of the longest (maybe THE longest) tenured warrior with the sad departure of Jason Richardson, and the even worse departure of League MVP, Adonal Foyle (who this blog was named after).

Bottom Line: Stephen Jackson and Matt Barnes are probobly the 2 worst captains in the National Basketball Association.

Suck it, Don Nelson.

Poll

Name Your Captains (Pick 3):

Al Harrington

5 votes

Kelenna Azubuike

8 votes

Austin Croshere

4 votes

Troy Hudson

4 votes

Baron Davis

68 votes

Stephen Jackson

32 votes

Matt Barnes

11 votes

Mickael Pietrus

3 votes

Andris Biedrins

2 votes

Monta Ellis

3 votes

140 votes | Poll has closed

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Bah, Sorry about the poll

it won't let you pick more than one. Ok, just pick who you think is most deserving of captain....(expects 100% Baron Davis).

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Oct 4, 2007 9:06 PM PDT reply actions

couldnt disagree with you more

you make the captains the leaders of the team. Stephen Jackson and Baron are not only the CLEAR leaders of the team, but they are also the heart and soul of the team. Barnes is a little questionable but down the stretch last year he was huge and he epitomized what the warriors were, so you gotta give it to him

by NinerWarrior on Oct 4, 2007 9:06 PM PDT reply actions

you have got to be kidding

You choose captains because they're ON COURT presences, and also locker room presences. I dunno about Harrington, but Ellis, Pietrus, and Biedrins? They're not headcases in the NBA because they don't open their mouths on the court.

C'mon, seriously, could you imagine Ellis giving a pep talk to get his team back into it? Or better yet, Pietrus or Biedrins?

by Bill Curley 0wns j00 on Oct 4, 2007 9:16 PM PDT reply actions

disagree as well

Being captain isn't about being the best player on the floor--or even a starter for that matter. It really has nothing to do with ability on the floor, it's about being respected and looked up to to lead.

As much as Jax gets flack (and rightfully so) for blowing up on the court at times, it is obvious to anyone who reads articles about the W's that Jax is THE BIGGEST glue guy on our team. He's the one calling all the players every night on the road asking to hang out and get dinner. He's the one high-fiving every single person on the team bus.

Don't like him all you want, but Jax is one of the biggest leaders on this team. If boring/soft/no-personality Tim Duncan calls Jax the best teammate he's ever had, you know the guy is on the right track in the locker room.

I love our captain picks. Can you actually tell me that Monta Ellis or Andris Biedrins would make better captains???!!! As much as I love him, Monta has no spark in his eye whatsoever--when he dunks over Barbosa, or when he dribbles off his foot--he looks kind blank. It's almost as if he doesn't realize whats going on sometimes. Maybe in a couple years he will develop into a captain...I sure hope so.

by myron on Oct 4, 2007 9:20 PM PDT reply actions

Sigh

Missed the mark, as usual. :-(

I was going to post the following comment in the "Jack's Tattoo" thread, but then thought it was a bit too touchy-feely and delted it. Fortunately, it was still on my pasteboard, and it seems totally appropriate here:

It drives me nuts how the mainstream press can't mention Jackson without rolling their eyes diaspprovingly and/or smirking smarmily.

Tim Duncan called Jackson "the greatest teammate he's ever had." From everything I've read he's just as beloved on the Warriors -- a constant source or warmth, charisma, and good vibes. I'd go so far as to say he's the spiritual life force of the team, more so than Nellie, possibly even more so than Baron. He just seems to have changed the whole karma surrounding the team, the same way David Ortiz did for the Red Sox.

My wife, alas not a Warriors fan (yet), has very instinctive takes on people from looking at their faces. When I showed her all the Ws photos from the press shoot, she immediately stopped me at Jackson. "Wow, who's he?" she asked. "Now HE has STAR QUALITY!"

As for Barnes, meh, he's clearly the #3 in the whole hierarchy, but 3 is a nice number, so sure, let him complete the trinity. I think he shares a lot of the same qualities as Baron and Jax: determination, grit, positive energy, leadership. He's basically Jax #1B, only with a few more tattoos and slightly less talent and charisma.

I must say, I eagerly look forward to GSDubz' response to this diary. Are you sure you're prepared for this, Zorg? ;-D

by Sleepy Freud on Oct 4, 2007 9:26 PM PDT reply actions

I'm kinda scared

of his big long paragraphs, but he doesn't respond to me anymore.

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Oct 4, 2007 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions

Okay Guys

Before it gets out of hand, a couple points:

Monta and Andris may have those blank looks on their faces....but if we want them to be All-Stars we've got to have them STEP UP and be team leaders. Putting them in a captain role mayhelp facilitate that.
Stephen Jackson maaaaaay be a good captain, but we REWARD him for getting a 7 game suspension? Puh-leaze. Put someone else in the role and maybe make him LEARN that he needs to control his temper.
Why not Al? He's the perfect compliment to Stephen, and keeps it under control when nessessary.

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Oct 4, 2007 9:27 PM PDT reply actions

i think

al would have been a good #3 captain instead of barnes, but he can't rebound so nellie wouldn't do it

by Proof on Oct 5, 2007 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions

lol

i voted croshere for fun

by Feedusfetus on Oct 4, 2007 9:28 PM PDT reply actions

Yes!

The guy above has to be the greatest man to ever live!

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Oct 4, 2007 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions

That may be my new second favorite webpin

Speaking of Fetuses, I prefer the Feotus variety. One of the great under-heralded musical greats of our time.

http://www.foetus.org/

by bloodsweatndonuts on Oct 4, 2007 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions

I must also disagree with you.

Matt Barnes obviously is not the best player on the team- he may not start most of the season, and he probably expects to be coming off the bench. Don Nelson MUST be seeing something else in Matt Barnes' character that he feels would benefit the team. There's something about him that apparently motivates the rest of the guys to be the best they can. His personal journey through the D-League eventually into becoming a key component in an NBA playoff team is definitely inspiring, and I'm sure his teammates admire him for that.

As for Stephen Jackson, his reputation precedes him, but all I've heard and read about is how he's always been a great locker room presence, how he's someone who puts his people before himself. That's all one could ask of a teammate.

by Point Of Blame on Oct 4, 2007 9:39 PM PDT reply actions

Well, I'm sure Indiana agrees with you on Jackson

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071004/SPORTS0403/710040496/1088/SPORTS04

As an Indiana Pacer, Stephen Jackson was regarded by fans as a troublemaking menace who had to go.

As a Golden State Warrior, he is considered a lovable free spirit who has been welcomed with open arms.
He has also been awarded the title of team captain by coach Don Nelson.
Imagine that, Pacers fans. Captain Jack.

It was kind of a negative intro that preceded a "copy and paste" job of the AP article on the same subject.

I agree with Nelson for the following reason:

Baron is the team leader and Jackson is his 2nd in command followed by Barnes. They all have strong personalities and can keep each-other in check. If you lose Baron or Jackson mentally/emotionally, this whole thing unravels very quickly so you need both of them. Barnes is someone who is on the level with both of them and he has the personality to lead. You could make a case for Harrington instead of Barnes (although I would disagree), but after him you have nobody to keep the two volatile personalities from erupting and destroying the team.

by bloodsweatndonuts on Oct 4, 2007 9:45 PM PDT reply actions

Barnes

may have a broken foot :( First casualty of training camp. I have my fingers crossed, but it still looks like he will miss some time regardless. That sucks.

Let's Go Oakland! Gas, Brake, Dip.

by OaktownFunk on Oct 4, 2007 10:00 PM PDT reply actions

i think

those are the best 3 captains we got. maybe harrington instead of barnes, but barnes is definitely more vocal.

i remember nellie says that barnes always asks good questions about defensive schemes and where all players should be on the court. i was watching the mavs series over, and i noticed alot of the times, he was barking at players at where they should be.

even though jackson gets suspended, he is definitely turning around his image. he is definitely stepping up to the plate to be the #2 man of this team. the warriors website already shows he's being a good leader by high-fiving everybody, etc. watching the mavs and jazz series, jackson was definitely the lietenant, the 2nd in charge. baron is the star commander.

ellis, biedrins, etc. be team captains? those guys are good, but they aren't necesarily leaders.

by thewarriorsrule on Oct 4, 2007 10:02 PM PDT reply actions

wow.

you are clueless. the three named are THE leaders of the team. the four you mentioned would be horrible choices for captain. i could say why, but quite frankly i don't think you are worth my trouble. you fail miserably. ultra combo. fatality, etc...

actually, your name is zorgon. aren't you supposed to be the jokester on here?

by pree t zinta on Oct 4, 2007 10:18 PM PDT reply actions

Nellie's message

Jackson's suspensions are worrisome but he's the right choice, for all the other reasons people mentioned.

I agree with you on Barnes, but for different reasons: production shouldn't be part of the equation, assuming the guy is a rotation player. Rather, I think Harrington is one of the few vets on this team who can remain a "rock" when emotions are flowing high. Barnes, in escorting Jackson off the court in the playoffs, showed he can also be relied upon to bring emotional stability but as his hard fouls demonstrate, he can lose it too.

The fact that Nellie did not name Al could be a challenge to step up: both his game and leadership. He wants more desire from Al (especially in rebounding) and for Al to become a PF who can drive on bigmen, who he'll be matched up against most of the time. When people talk about who will replace JRich's shooting, rebounding, and occasional play-making, Al is the guy that should be mentioned first.

Andris, Ellis, and MP are definite no-no's: they're all too young. Croshere would be my 5th candidate: the guy's a pro and a veteran.

by BingBluNT on Oct 4, 2007 10:21 PM PDT reply actions

our captains are the real leaders on the team

any of the 4 you chose would be like trying to force dirk to lead his team.

none of those 4 are superstars. while 2 of the 3 captains arent either, they have the leadership skills to captain the team. they are capable of bearing all the responsibility of how the team performs, good or bad.

also, i can easily see them fire the team up when necessary. can the same be said about monta, beans, pietrus? al maybe, but i see baron jackson and barnes doing a much better job at that.

by davidR on Oct 4, 2007 10:33 PM PDT reply actions

Barnes = bench captain

I think Nellie may have chosen Barnes as a captain partly BECAUSE he's a sub. It would seem to be important to have someone on the bench that can get his teammates pumped by being vocal, and also by coming into the game and giving it his all. I also remember back in the playoffs when Jack got ejected in that second game, and Barnes was the man that held him back, tried to be a calming presence, and eventually escorted him to the locker room. He took charge of that difficult situation just like a leader should. I think it makes sense, and it's nice to see him get some credit for what he did last year.

by ivanbe on Oct 4, 2007 10:57 PM PDT reply actions

Plus U gotta love barnes

for hittin big shots with an injury on his shooting hand. Dude was all busted up in the playoffs and he still came up big w/o complaining - now that's captain type ishh!

THIS IS OOOAKLAND!!!

by Tim N Chris Burger on Oct 4, 2007 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions

I would comment on your picks but

seeing you left Pat Burke as one of the choices does it for me. Even if this guy doesn't get signed, we should have him come in and chill in the locker room anyway. Let him make a couple of videos with BDiddy and them. He deserves to be a Captain. lol

by lightz0ut on Oct 4, 2007 10:59 PM PDT reply actions

how many

captains can a team have?

don nelson could be eccentric and have five... or none =P

by jdmsir20 on Oct 4, 2007 11:12 PM PDT reply actions

My captain

Pat Burke, mowfuggers!

by jtoj @ Golden State Of Mind on Oct 4, 2007 11:42 PM PDT reply actions

You guys know what?

Way I see it, we're at a cross roads.

We could do the Stephen Jackson direction and be a highly energized team that runs extremely well on emotions, and be excellent at home. Lots of wins, but we are at rick of a brawl.

We could also go the Andris/Monta direction, and try to develop our future "All-Stars" (I assume that's what you want for them?) into TEAM LEADERS. Look at the roster for the All-Star game, and name me 3 guys who aren't team leaders. The people who DO get in without being team leaders (Mehmet Okur) were just ultra-lucky because of injuries. If we can have these guys step up and become a force, the possibilites are endless!

But, if we stick to the Stephen JAckson route, we'll be good for a couple more years and fizzle out, while Monta and Andris are reduced to role players.

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Oct 5, 2007 5:15 AM PDT reply actions

Those young guys

have plenty of time to be team leaders in their days. They're only 21 for god's sake. There is no need to push the captain tags on them at too early of an age. They don't really know the intricacies of the nba yet and I have never seen them trying to pump up or cool down a teammate. They have a good 10+ years left in this league, they'll have their chance to be leaders. The best way for them to become the best leaders they can be is to allow them to be understudies, not to prematurely force the captaincy on them before they're ready.

by yehyeh82 on Oct 5, 2007 6:54 AM PDT up reply actions

Pretzel logic

Do you really not get the distinctions between cause, effect, and correlation? Players become all-stars partly because of their innate leadership qualities (in addition to their talent). They don't magically become all-stars because their team happens to name them captain.

You know what, Z? Instead of arbitrarily choosing a silly, provocative stance (e.g. "Foyle Rules", or "Mickael Pietrus should be captain") and then twisting and distorting reality to suit it, why don't you start with a position of neutrality, and try to observe reality, as it is? There are lots of issues in life that are pretty complicated. Identifying the team leaders of the Warriors is not one of them.

My old question applies here: do you actually want your points to be taken seriously? Most of the time it's clear you're just yanking our chains, but then occasionally you say stuff that makes me think otherwise. Come clean now: what percentage of this diary is serious and what's just playin'? 50/50? 75% serious /25% playin'? 100% serious? Enquiring minds want to know...

by Sleepy Freud on Oct 5, 2007 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions

Agreed

Try to picture for a moment, our team down 12 points in the 3rd, with 6 minutes and 43 seconds to play in the quarter. Our morale is low, our swag is non-existent, someone needs to bring our sexy back. In the timeout, players are avoiding eye contact, and half-heartedly listening to the coach. Who of the players I'm about to list, do you truly expect to make an impassioned and powerful statement to his teammates (with their words NOT necessarily their actions)? Monta Ellis, Andris Biedrins, Stephen Jackson.

The reason Baron Jack and Barnes were named captains is not necessarily b/c of their talents on the court, it's because of their report with our players, with our staff, with our fans, it's because of their charisma, their charm, their swag...their confidence. Do you think Barnes Baron or Jackson ever thought for a second they would lose to the Mavs? How about the Jazz? There's a reason why Monta disappeared in the playoffs, why Andris was non-existent against Carlos Boozer, and why Al Harrington basically disappeared for all but 1 game of the playoffs (that 1 game being Game 3 of the Jazz series, which we won in a landslide). They're not as mentally strong as Jackson, Barnes and Baron. And that's what you want in a leader (captain), MENTAL strength and the ability to convince people that THIS is what's going to happen. THIS is what we're going to do, and if you don't want to be a part of it, get the F off the court.

So I ask you again, seriously, do you see Monta or Andris getting in anybody's faces? Barking about defensive positions? Challenging them to step up and make a sacrifice for the better of the team?

If you said yes, you're kidding yourself.

jusgo

by tobin on Oct 5, 2007 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions

We all

see SJax when he plays and make our assumptions on what we read, but here is what Nelson says about him:

"There's a lot of stuff in Jack's past, but that's true of almost anybody if you stay in this game long enough," Nelson said. "We have great confidence in him as a player and a leader, and I think you'd hear that from most people who have spent time to really get to know Jack."

by muritqua on Oct 5, 2007 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions

When I wrote it

100% was serious. But I guess it's 0% in all other eyes.

I see no reason to joke about how I don't think a man is fit to do something. If I do it, it's serious business.

If people reaaaaally want to know what I writye is serious, then here.

Everything about Adonal: Not Serious
Everything about Everything Else: Serious

If you don't like what I say, and don't want to take it seriously (which none of you did, and I'd like to thank everyone here for taking it seriously) than fine, just drop my credibility and call me BaumerWorldII. I don't mind, and I'll continue to voice my opinions until I die, or Atma decides to close GSoM.

As for Sleepy saying I have "pretzel logic", and saying that I tend to take sides on things without getting all of the facts....that is a terrible, terrible character flaw of mine. It's not just because I'm young, because on my Dads side of the family, it runs rampant, and they're mostly over 50. In any case, in the future I'll try to break my habit of doing that.

As for this issue, my stance....stands :-/. I still think we'd be better off not naming these guys captains, or just naming one....

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Oct 6, 2007 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions

Zorgon are you an East Coast Sportswriter...

trying to infiltrate goldenstateofmind.com??? You are completely off...The right choices were made...unfortunately, you sound like all the Jacko haters that don't watch him play and just talk badly about him because of his rep. Jacko has been nothing but the ultimate teammate (thanks Tim Duncan). He has been a model citizen with the Warriors and to describe him as a cancer is asinine (leave that up to the millions of haterade drinkers that don't watch him play everyday).

Sure, Jacko gets ejected but he is no thug. His passion and rep get the best of him at times as refs have a quicker whistle and ejection trigger finger with him.

I can't stress how important Jack's leadership was to the Warrior's season last year. He singlehandedly changed the chemistry and atmosphere of that locker room. He is also the only player that Baron looks up to in a way. I am surprised you cannot see that.

by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Oct 5, 2007 9:54 AM PDT reply actions

GSDubZ Releases a Press Statement

Official Response to Zorgon's Diary

"Zorgon constantly takes a position in opposition to the mainstream. He often takes the position just for the sake of opposing others. While we all have our moments where we like to stand up for something, he lives life in this viewpoint. When it comes to an issue that he can actually empathize with, such as Foyle (since they're the same type of player), well, then that opposition goes to new heights.

We will not respond to this diary because it's obviously the beginning of a new wave of criticism against the Warriors and more specifically, Don Nelson. FROM NOW ON, any decisions he makes such as naming captains, will be criticized due to Nellie's treatment of Adonal Foyle.

Additionally, since about 20 people responded and 100% disagreed with Zorgon, we feel the public has spoken and we do not need to discuss this matter further. Thank you. 1 Dub. Stay hyphy in 2K8."

If War brings peace Dubz wit' it den!

by gsdubz on Oct 5, 2007 10:46 AM PDT reply actions

Honestly, GSDubz

you just responded to my diary. So get off your high horse.

And your logic is simply, bad. I diasagree with Don Nelson on most things simply because he is a coach who runs a fast paced team, and I would much rather have a team that runs a slow pace (which they did for the 13 years they missed the plyoffs, and I enjoyed it.)

Don Nelson got us the 8 seed last year, he beat the Mavs and found a way around the Yao-Adonal wars, and I give him credit, even though I disagreed initally, and still think a slower system would be more successful. It's a difference in philopsophy, and there's no way to get around it.

What's right is not always popular.
What's popular is not always right.

And stop putting "1 Dub" at the end of your comments. We are not friends, and it is extremely unlikely we will ever be friends again. The only common trait we share is the fact that we both cheer for the same sports team, and even there we disagree very fundamentally.

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Oct 6, 2007 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions

Ha ha! He said Pietrus!

Last I checked the Ws didn't even really care if he was on the team or not. For my money, the captain has to be able to dribble the ball more than once in a row without going spastic. Sorry, I know you said that was the last response, but I really, really, really couldn't resist.

by CaptainJack on Oct 5, 2007 10:57 AM PDT reply actions

captainship

has much more to do with one's emotional effect on the team rather than what they bring skills wise. Also, as someone who has coached a sport, I can tell you that for the most part, the position of captain is one that is earned, rather than handed out based on potential. Baron has earned it. Barnes has earned it. and Jackson has most definitely earned it.

by thatrabbi on Oct 5, 2007 11:28 AM PDT reply actions

ESPN SAID THAT JACKSON WAS A GOOD IDEA

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=jones/071005&sportCat=nba

by raymondtee on Oct 5, 2007 11:56 AM PDT reply actions

great article

i stole the photo, too

Gotta love the new captains.

by OaktownWarrior on Oct 5, 2007 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions

Zorgon, Credibility...Credibility, Zorgon...

...now say goodbye.

what's a Magic #31 jersey going for?

by 321 IN n OUT on Oct 5, 2007 12:26 PM PDT reply actions

My vote:

Matt Barnes for president!!

I love this choice for captains. It's all about heart, passion, intensity, and will to win. These three guys have that and more.

Hopefully the responsibility that comes with being captains of the team will help them keep their tempers in check.

I'd bet my last 40 on the fact that we wouldn't have made it to the playoffs last year with out these three and their energy and leadership.

I can't wait for the season to start!

"Hold It Down For The Bay Reppin Oakland" --Keak Da Sneak

by Section 233 Row 1 on Oct 5, 2007 1:53 PM PDT reply actions

I wanted to vote for MATT BARNES three times

Mohawk = instant leader material.

As for Jack, who else is going to brush the OOOOOOH off of Baron's shoulders when the Beard throws down some playoff thunder??

by leee @ Golden State Of Mind on Oct 5, 2007 4:31 PM PDT reply actions

Hmmm

Sorry Zorgzyboy, but I think these guys are the best choices for captain.

Golden State of Mind- We iBelieve

by goGSW24 on Oct 5, 2007 6:40 PM PDT reply actions

I agree with Nellie

Nellie picked the right guys for the job because all three guys bring a lot of intensity, emotion and have lot of presence when they are on the court. Baron Davis is the best player on the team and when he is on the court the other four players that are playing along his side play a lot better than when he is not on the court. Stephen Jackson is the bad boy of the squad and you need a guy that doesn't hold his tongue back to talk to the players and get them fired up. Matt Barnes always has his teammates back when they are in confrontation with opponents as we saw last season. These are the guys that will be getting the Warriors fired up this season when we are down in the fourth.

by RSIZ510 on Oct 5, 2007 7:09 PM PDT reply actions

Damn we're young!

This kind of brings out how young our roster is. B-diddy, no doubt, Jax a good pick. May also help him control himself a little bit better (i.e. no more arguing with the Ref while everyone else is back on D.) Matt Barnes would be the only questionable one. He wins be default. Ellis, Biedrins are too young. Pietrus has not been consistent and Harrington is not very vocal. Hopefully Barnes doesn't start to jack up more threes. He is a high intensity player but does not make the best decisions on the floor with his shot selection and passing. Hopefully another pick by Nelson to put pressure on the guy to be a better player.

by tangel29 on Oct 6, 2007 2:15 AM PDT reply actions

Thanks for sounding off, guys

And yes, I hear you. What I got from all of your comments, mostly, was:

A) Stephen Jackson and Matt Barnes are the guys who get in your face, and make you want to win.

B) Mickael Pietrus is barely on the team, what makes you think he should be captain?

C) Monta and Andris need time to develop.

D) Al=Maybe

Well, I hear all of you, and agree that you all have good points, but my stance stands. If you want to throw away my credibility, fine, but I'm not going to back down from every opinion I make just beacuse it's unpopular.

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Oct 6, 2007 12:26 PM PDT reply actions

Don't have a problem with these 3 being named-

-Captains.

Its not like this is a sport that brandishes them with a C on the jersey, a big old X that says hit this guy hard and possibly take down the team with him.

Veterans are usually named captains yeah?, in addition to key guys, glue guys, cogs, whatever. These three were pretty instrumental to the Playoff run, Nellie likes all of them despite their faults and they all have had different controversial paths to becoming now captains of the team. Oldest guys on this pretty young/newly assembled team.

You figure East Coast guys/AP/most of the media wouldn't want Jack captain but he's the captain of this team, your team and you should be proud of it. He's outside the norm and against the world mentality if you will.

Barnes has been up and down throughout his NBA career being moved around and never being given a chance, making a last second cut to make last year's team. Jack as out of control as he can be at times show passion for his team/teammates and just wants to win that badly. Baron wouldn't be offered any max deals any time soon and was traded for basically below role player types(serviceable, not great- what was it Speedy Claxton and old man Dale Davis?) at the lowest market value due to injury concerns but when he's on he can go toe to toe with anybody on big stages like in the playoffs.

These ragtag group of guys are your Warriors, it only makes sense the most controversial/oldest players seem to be captains, right Zorgon?

If it gives them a bigger sense of pride and then that produces more team chemistry/passion & better play, good. Its not going to distract the team or have any major setbacks occur if some "wrong guy" was named captain. We're not talking about JR Rider being named Captain here or something.

Al and MP2 are the jokesters, AB isn't really vocal- just a blue collar worker and only a third year guy, Ellis is on the come up- most likely in the future AB and Monta are team captains all things considered, yeah? Hudson/Burke are the oldest vets but brand new to the team and probably not key cogs to play major minutes and be factors late in the game going for a win.

by back2back51s on Oct 6, 2007 8:26 PM PDT reply actions

Here's the kicker

Its not like this is a sport that brandishes them with a C on the jersey, a big old X that says hit this guy hard and possibly take down the team with him.

I guess I really should think about things like this. In the end....there's not even a coin-toss. It doesn't even matter.

Yeah, I guess so. I suppsoe my main owrry is that Monta and AB are slipping into role players, and that it's year 3, so they really need to step up.

Sorry if that didn't make any sense, I got little sleep.

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by Zorgon on Oct 6, 2007 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions