Is Ike Diogu in the doghouse???

by Warrior fan 23 on Oct 19, 2006 2:53 AM PDT

When i was listening to the game i did not hear them even mention Ike Diogu.I saw the boxscore and it said dnp (did not play). I thought he was injured but i doubt it,i remember he was having trouble remembering the plays so maybe that's why.I thought Ike Diogu was 1 of the players that could have benefit from the arrival of nelson cause Diogu spreads the floor and shoot from the outside just like Murphy (Diogu can't shoot 3's though). So what you guys think? You think Diogu will have a good year or will he be in the doghouse with Adonal Foyle? I hope his on the floor cause he could help this team.

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From what Nellie is saying

Sounds like Ike is definately in the doghouse. Main reasons being, a low basketball IQ - he hasn't been able to pick up the plays and keep himself in the right floor position, and the matador defense we saw from Ike last year.

On the surface Ike seems like a player that would fit well into Nellies schemes, but he has the same weaknesses most young players have. Mainly his entire offensive game revolves around having the ball in his hands and shooting and his defensive game revolves around hanging out until it's time to play offense again.

by bigrobbieb on Oct 19, 2006 9:28 AM PDT reply actions

definition of doghouse

I've always thought of the doghouse as being punishment when a coach doesn't like a player for something in particular that the player does. Jack up too many bad shots? Doghouse. Dog it on D? Doghouse. I've never heard that Diogu does anything in particular to ingratiate himself with Nellie, but he doesn't really fit into what Nellie's trying to do with the team immediately. He's young and not much of a passer or runner or defender. It doesn't seem like he's developed the skill set.

Similar things can be said of Foyle. His not playing doesn't sound like doghouse (though his weight may actually be an issue) but rather Nellie notices that Adonal just isn't a very complete player. He's a shot blocker but a zero offense, lousy from the line and has hands of stone. He's merely an adequate position defender who gets called a "defensive center" because he can block some shots and there's not much else positive to say about him until you start discussing his politics.

by jae on Oct 19, 2006 1:07 PM PDT reply actions

He's in the Diogu House . . .

which a special place for those who have difficulty learning plays because they only ever learned the "dump it in to me and let me do my thing" play.

He doesn't "dog it on D" but he does get a lot of ticky-tack fouls which makes it hard for him to stay on the floor. That seems to be a function of bad defensive footwork.

by bloodsweatndonuts on Oct 19, 2006 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions

Victor "Big Smoothie" Alexander

was another mild-mannered big man who could shoot from the outside and he lived in Nellie's dog house.

When Nellie took over Dallas, his first personnel move as GM was to cut Victor Alexander. And that was how many years later? Nellie's dog house is not a place you want to be.

by bloodsweatndonuts on Oct 19, 2006 7:18 PM PDT reply actions

I like Ike!

And I can't believe you just compared Ike to the Big Smoothie! Ike has more game in his left pinky than Victor ever had. Victor, bless his smooth soul, was basically a fat Todd Fuller. I think your confusing "mild-mannered" and "nice." Ike may be a nice guy in real life, but he never struck me as "mild-mannered" at all on the court. He's a beast in the paint! As a Cal hoops fan, I used to be terrified anytime he got it within 15 feet of the rack.

Seriously, let's not go overboard on this "Diogu house" stuff -- even if it is a cute pun. Ike may be a square peg in Nellie's fast-paced system, but unless he's truly regressed from last year, he still got loads of promise. He may not be Elton Brand, but he's a lot closer to Brand than to the Big Smoothie!

by Sleepy Freud on Oct 20, 2006 6:34 AM PDT up reply actions

I like Ike too

I was refering to the diary quote:

I thought Ike Diogu was 1 of the players that could have benefit from the arrival of nelson cause Diogu spreads the floor and shoot from the outside just like Murphy (Diogu can't shoot 3's though).

Point was that being a shooting big man was not enough to get playing time for Nelson. Big Smoothie was my example.

The "Diogu House" was in reference to Ike's specific problem of not learning plays as quickly as everyone else. Foyle's in the dog house because he's out of shape and has no offensive skills and Zarko because he's unpredictible and inconsistant which are normal "dog house". I've never heard of an highly skilled NBA player getting benched because he can't learn plays. Hence the "Diogu House". We're talking about the dude who gave minutes to Ewe Blab, Les Jepsen and Cristian Welp.

BTW, I'd take Big Vic over Todd Fuller any day.

by bloodsweatndonuts on Oct 20, 2006 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions

Wow.

He'll so badly here, get released/traded and do awesomely elsewhere like J.R. Smiths about to do after being in Bryon Scotts doghouse.

by Zorgon on Oct 19, 2006 9:30 PM PDT reply actions

j r smith

I don't know.... i was watching NBa.tv real training camp with the nug's and karl spent most the sessions stopping it too explain to smith over and over where he is supposed to be.... it seemed like smith just stared at karl with a blank face... i dont think this guy's IQ is very high.... I am not sure how much JR will be blowing up in denver.

by boogielew on Oct 20, 2006 1:12 AM PDT up reply actions

Hm

He was doing fairly well with the Hornets his first season (rookie of the month), and was doing faily well the next season until he was in the doghouse.

The issue may be that he just doesn't put in the effort in practice and doesn't really care where he is supposed to be (ala training camp). That's how he got into Byron Scotts doghouse. Then again, you don't get into the NBA for As in school, do you?

by Zorgon on Oct 20, 2006 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions