Recap: Warriors 111, Pistons 79 - DETROIT CAN SUCK ON DEEZ!

by dj fuzzylogic on Nov 11, 2006 11:35 PM PST in Recaps Comment 68 comments

JRich: Oooh, this is scary! (Photo by Rocky Widner/NBAE via Getty Images)
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Forget about the 57.1 % on 3's or even the 56.6% shooting from the field. Who cares about the horrendous free throw shooting percentage, too (well, we shouldn’t forget about this one, but the story is getting kind of old)? What about 111 points? This is expected nowadays in the 2nd Nelson empire and his brand of lightening paced small ball. What struck me the most were the 33 assists.

Dizzle led the way with 9 assists, many leading to some easy buckets for A.B.; my interpretation of Atma Brother #1 quote in the open thread, "if this was chemistry class, they would get an A+!" Michael Vick type accuracy and needle threading passes came from Dizzle AND Dun. Towards the end, it almost seemed like players were competing to see who could throw the prettiest lob pass vs. having the most emphatic alley-oop dunk. The Dizzle penetration to Biedrins, Pietrus, Ellis backdoor cut layups in the first half quickly built that lead up to 20+ by the end of the first half.

A real team effort (AP Photo/Ben Margot)

But it wasn’t just all Dizzle. Living out in Michigan, I rarely get to catch Warrior games. When I do, it’s usually against some top tier team, which usually ends up looking like a Harlem Globe Trotter game; the Warriors usually being that random team in green and yellow unis floundering around. Watching them tonite, I almost didn’t believe what I saw on the screen tonite!

If this was the movie "He Got Game", Monta is Jesus Shuttelsworth (though not at as good looking as Ray Allen)! Word life, this dude is the truth! I love his fearlessness and intensity. What I love more is that he doesn’t settle for long J's like the rest of the team. What’s up with all the threes? Especially on 3-2 or 4-2 fast breaks? After a JRich miss off a fast break, the FSN Detroit commentator said, "if you let them, they will take the bad shots." Although everyone shot well in the first half, I was on edge all night knowing that the new look Warriors could easily revert back to their old clanking selves in their usual third quarter disasters (I suspect this is a result of some Smirnoff Loung-ing). Dun’s hitting uncontested shots was a relief as well. I won’t get too excited, because we know that he’s streakier than White boys on a college campus. That might go for the whole team even. Worth noting, I think, was that even with their zone defense in the second half, Detroit could not stop the Warriors’ dribble penetration. They should definitely keep this up.

Here are some statistical highlights too:
Monta’s 4 assists to go with 12 points
Dizzle’s incredible assist to turnover ratio, 9 assists to 1 turnover today!
Dun’s 8 assists, that definitely seems like his strength right now.
Swarming defense. Despite just 4 blocks, they played great team defense today.
Wagner finally getting some playing time: 6 minutes

It is also interesting to hear what commentators from other places have to say about the Warriors play. National television, like ESPN and TNT, usually don’t hold back, blasting into the organization for the lack of talent and discipline. It was surprising though to hear such glowing comments from the FSN Detroit color commentators; they were loving Dizzle’s production and leadership. After several of Dizzle’s great passes, they noted that his unselfish play is helping the young players "grow some confidence." However, there definitely were some follies such as A.B.’s disasterous attempt at bringing the ball up only to be "undressed by Lindsey!" Another good one was when Dunleavy was attempting to post up Lindsay Hunter:

"…trying to post him up, but Lindsey’s got the smarts on him!"

LINDSEY: Did he really think he could score on me? (Photo by Rocky Widner/NBAE via Getty Images)

Overall, this was probably the best I’ve seen the Warriors in the past decade. I have never seen the Warriors dominate a playoff team for a full 48 minutes like this before. Heck, I’ve never seen them dominate crappy teams like this before!

Anyway, major props to the Warriors!

Sorry Sheed- I think WE got the last laugh tonight (Photo by Rocky Widner/NBAE via Getty Images)

In memory of Gerald Levert, the song of the day is "My Body" from the LSG album "My Body."

Update: If you missed this game, shame on you! But don't worry thanks to thecardkid01 you can feast your eyes on these game highlights:

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Glad you got to

see the game.

I never knew those NBA warmups were fleece?

by Zorgon on Nov 12, 2006 12:15 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Who the hell is foyle?

Great WIN!!! I love this lineup. Biedrins is an absolute monster!

by Jeremy Belvins on Nov 12, 2006 12:20 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

yo, karate

hey, i pulled your monta signature and am using it as my avatar on a different forum. wanted to check with you to make sure that's cool or not.

by redape on Nov 13, 2006 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

zorgon

were u at the game? if so, were you the one who startedthe chant for foyle in the 4th quarter?

as for the game, that was the best i've ever seen the warriors play, ever, like seriously ever, and i mean ever.

we have now beaten three teams in seven games who are going to in contention at the end, not for the playoffs but the title. That's not bad.

by mydedgerbil555 on Nov 12, 2006 12:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Arr no

I'm in Oklahoma City. Never been to San Fransisco.

by Zorgon on Nov 12, 2006 12:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Hey Zorg

Just wondering what does having never been to S.F. have to do with not going to the Warriors game :)

by Athletix Man on Nov 12, 2006 3:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Pshhh

Bay area, lol. Good one though.

by Zorgon on Nov 12, 2006 4:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Wow

What a game...

And fuzzylogic since when did you live in Detroit?

And zorgon has never been to San Fran?

How can you guys be Warrior fans?

by DaAzNJRiCh on Nov 12, 2006 2:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Doesn't matter the place

I'm from Spain, 20, and I've been a Warriors fan since I was 14-15, back in High School.

Figure that one out :P

by Jaime Novoa on Nov 12, 2006 3:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

O sorry

I forgot about your great essay zorgon. We should raise some funds to get you out here to the Oracle...

by DaAzNJRiCh on Nov 12, 2006 2:34 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Near impossible

like 200 dollars of plane and 100 dollars for seat. A bit high....

I'm flattered, but no need to. I get to see them twice a year!

by Zorgon on Nov 12, 2006 10:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

whoo

they can chuck deez!

by djchuckdeez on Nov 12, 2006 3:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Detroit->SF->Detroit

It's a weird cycle. I was born in Detroit, moved to the Bay when I was about 4, then a few years ago moved back to Detroit (really Ann Arbor) for grad school. My basketball idols growing up (at least from the ages of 7-13) were Tim Bug and Zeke--most exciting scoring point guards of that era!

by dj fuzzylogic on Nov 12, 2006 7:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

well

I have not completed the cycle like you, I'm just at born in Detroit and now living in the Bay Area.

by Athletix Man on Nov 12, 2006 3:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

lucky...

...i think michigan is an acquired taste...

by dj fuzzylogic on Nov 13, 2006 11:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Best game I have seen since

TMC days. I thought Biedrins was terrific considering he is still 20 years old, a very nice touch around the basket, painful to watch the free throws but there is finally hope for this team, a legitimate center, and great guards everywhere.
Whatever they are paying Nellie is not enough.

by wushi on Nov 12, 2006 8:29 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Quickies

Positives

Now THAT was absolutely beautiful all around defensive and offensive effort by the Dubs.
If you missed the game, shame on you! It doesn't get any better than that.
The passing, cutting, and aggressiveness were top notch from the Warriors.
They looked like they were really having fun out there.
The starters BD, Monta, JRich, Murph, and Biedrins came out with a BANG.
Can you believe the Warriors shot 57.1% for 3pt land? WHOA.
Baron played another great game. He's my Warriors Wonder. The 20 points on 8-14 shooting very nice, but what impressed me the most was 9:1 assist to turnover ration and his aggressiveness on defense- those 5 steals led to some easy transition buckets. He set the tone for the team early on.
The inbounds play from Troy to JRich for a dunk was NUTS! It was nice to see Jason get up and throw it down like that. Just wait till he's 100%.
At one point BD, Monta, and JRich were all racing down court on a fast break. That's what it's all about.
Biedrins is looking a lot more coordinated and smoother than last season.
Dunleavy got off to a slow start, but along with the other reserves tonight Matt Barnes (2 for 2 on trey's!), Roberson, and Pietrus these guys stepped up big to maintain the blowout lead. These guys weren't looking to let Detroit back in the game. That's some major pride by the bench.
Nice to see Wagner get his first points as a Warriors. He's gotta work on the D and he'll be an asset for this team, especially if JRich, BD, or Monta have to deal with some injuries and need to rest.
That game dramatically boosted the trade value of Andris Biedrins and Mike Dunleavy. I hope the Warriors are working the phones instead of watching football today.
POB looks like a poor man' Robert Parish out there. I'm really curious to see how he'll pan out.
NELLIE IS A GENIUS. He'd masking the flaws on this roster wonderfully and boosting a lot of these confidence. It's fun to see him playing around with the starting lineup and not having that rigid approach that we saw last season.
And finally, we've got a better record than the Pistons!

Negatives

This is somewhat fool's gold. Detroit was tired and apathetic, but nevertheless the Warriors showed heart out there.
Monta's gotta watch the turnovers
The Warriors shot an embarrassing 52% from the free throw line and STILL won the game by 32 points? Huh?
We want Foyle!

by Atma Brother ONE on Nov 12, 2006 8:49 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

What?

The best you can say for Dun last night is he boosted his trade value? Geez, Atma, you really have no shame.

This is just the kind of role Dunleavy should play on this team, and if he does what he did last night -- nice line: 50%, six RBs, 8-9 dimes -- it's going to make a big difference in close games. (See my final comment to that unfortunate and misguided anti-Dunleavy polemic you launched earlier this week, below.) Open thy eyes; there's much to see!

by johnl on Nov 12, 2006 5:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You can't be serious

I had no problem with Dunleavy's overall play last night and he played well, but let's face it he did this against mostly backups in garbage time. He wasn't one of the Warriors' best player in the win, so he wasn't a heavy focus of my thoughts.

Why are you so focused on what I write about Dunleavy? He wasn't even a major part of my quickies, yet he's the only one you attend to.

And look closely I said:

That game dramatically boosted the trade value of Andris Biedrins and Mike Dunleavy

And that's true. I'm not picking on Dunleavy in particular. Why aren't you trying to defend Biedrins too? Games like this are going to inflate people's value. We're all kidding ourselves if we think roster moves don't need to be made.

by Atma Brother ONE on Nov 12, 2006 6:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

trade AB?

who would u want to trade him for? there isn't exactly an overflow of talented big men in the leauge right now, and i think u'd be hard pressed to find one as young and with as much potential as he has (andrew bynum but that's about it). the warriors should definitely not trade him unless offered a too good to be true deal.

by AJC3317 on Nov 13, 2006 10:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

No I'm dead serious

Buy low, sell high. This team needs more talent, especially an athletic big man. If you can sucker some GM into believing that Biedrins is a going to be superstar/ All Star, you might be able to pull of a trade for a proven player in a bad situation a la Rashard Lewis, Jermaine O'Neal, Kevin Garnett, etc. Remember 99 times out of 10 you're have to give up value to get value. (ignore that dumb Raptors-Nets Vince Carter trade and the Warriors-Hornets Baron Davis trade).

Again I like Biedrins and his energy, but the guy still has no offensive game outside of 3 feet from the bucket, still picks up dumb fouls, and still has no jumper to speak of. I like the rebounding and shot blocking, but at 20 years of age if you're a professional basketball player you should have some semblance of decent form for a jumpshot or game beyond 3 feet from the bucket. I do think he's going to improve, but let's not fool ourselves into thinking that he has Tim Duncan like potential.

Like this shooting coach at this hoops camp said when I was 14: "When someone says you have potential that's the ultimate insult. It means you haven't done anything."

I'm for packaging Biedrins with one of those bad contracts to pick up a great player. Would I trade him for another young talent? Of course not. But the time is now. Nellie doesn't have 5 years to wait and watch someone develop.

I don't want the Warriors to make the same mistakes the Celtics are making.

by Atma Brother ONE on Nov 13, 2006 11:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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yeah i agree with you on some points. like i said, if you can get a superstar in one of those too good to be true deals them i'm all for it. i just don't necessarily see that happening. and AB does have a very good chance to be an all star for two reasons: he is talented, and there is a lack of quality centers in the leauge. why does he need a jumper? he need an inside presence, not another wing player. we have enough guys who can hit a jumper. i'm not saying he's tim duncan like, but he's a solid presence right now, and will very likely continue to improve.

by AJC3317 on Nov 13, 2006 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

all-star worthy?

is being an all-star necessarily worth anything when saying there is a dearth of skilled big men in this league? magloire is a decent big and an all-star but has since faded. i like what i've seen so far this season from a.b. (granted i'veo nly seen one game with a smattering of highlights on espn.com). besides his dumb fouls, he seems to understand the idea of cutting to the hoop when someone's penetrating, but more importantly he's able to explode off the floor unlike some of our centers of the past. he had one nice move in the last game where he was on the lower left block, took a couple dribbles, faked right and then spun left QUICKLY towards the hoop for an easy score. good news? he's learning post moves. bad news, the move looked REALLY premeditated and looked rather hurried, ala Kwame Brown. He doesn't seem to have much feel for the defense when on offense... but I would say give him some more time to develop under Nellie. trade POB right away if you can tho...

by dj fuzzylogic on Nov 13, 2006 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

re: all star worthy

pretty much what i said, he has a good chance of being an all star and a big reason for that is the lack of talent at the center spot. if u can convince another gm that it's more because of his talent rather than the lack of talent around him then i would trade him for a better player like i was saying to atma. again tho, i don't see that happening. i think that since he is better than most centers right now we should hang on to him and develop him more. as far as pob, i don't want to jump to quick conclusions but he looks awful. i would definitely trade him if possible right now.

by AJC3317 on Nov 13, 2006 7:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'll be your huckleberry

Why aren't you trying to defend Biedrins too?

Why talk about trading Biedrins? Finally, the patience in allowing this kid to develop is starting to pay off. 20 years old--sky's the limit. Considering that centers are typically the slowest to develop in the NBA, why wouldn't we want to keep this guy considering the work we've already put in?

by bruindre on Nov 13, 2006 11:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You're Over the Top Again

Glad you had "no problem" with Dun last Friday. BTW, I note Detroit didn't play Rip and was coming off an away back-to-back, so I don't think anyone played against their best guys. But I'm happy to see you weren't overly frustrated with Dun's 50% shooting (with a three), his six rebounds, his eight (tho I counted nine) assists, and his three steals.

I focus on your incessant Dunleavy tirades because they've become so . . . lunatic, even conceding how poorly the guy played for the first five games. You say you don't write about him often just days after that childish diatribe about how "frustrated" he's making you. (Good luck in your personal relationships, guy, because frustration comes with the territory. It's how you handle it that counts.)

And, are you kidding about AB? My posts following that ill-considered hatchet job last week focused in no small degree on just how much better Biedrins has become. And you know that I've always loved his soft hands and penchant for scoring if you can get him the ball anywhere near the hoop.

Finally, if you really think you're not "picking on Dunleavy in particular," I can only say: "Earth to Atma. Please come home."

by johnl on Nov 13, 2006 11:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

"his eight (tho I counted nine) assists"

Ha ha, it's allright mrsD momas tend to do that...

by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 13, 2006 11:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Hmmm

Finally, if you really think you're not "picking on Dunleavy in particular," I can only say: "Earth to Atma. Please come home."

I guess I all I can really say is do your homework. See my comment in this diary: http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/story/2006/11/12/121616/48
Contrary to what you might want to think I don't spend the majority of my posts focusing on Dunleavy.

And you're admitting he had 5 poor games to 2 good games, but still want me to hype him up? Hilarious.

So back to the FACTS. Here's what I said about Dunleavy in this post:

Dunleavy got off to a slow start, but along with the other reserves tonight Matt Barnes (2 for 2 on trey's!), Roberson, and Pietrus these guys stepped up big to maintain the blowout lead. These guys weren't looking to let Detroit back in the game. That's some major pride by the bench.

and

That game dramatically boosted the trade value of Andris Biedrins and Mike Dunleavy. I hope the Warriors are working the phones instead of watching football
today.

That works you up? There's not much I can say if you read that as a "tirade".

(Good luck in your personal relationships, guy, because frustration comes with the territory. It's how you handle it that counts.)

Thanks, but no thanks. I don't really feel like hearing a lecture from you about how to manage personal relationships. I have no idea what that has to do about the Warriors or hoops.

I have no problem whatsoever with you challenging my ideas and analysis, but seriously check your facts before taking shots at me. I'd strongly prefer if you didn't put words in my mouth all the time or take cheap shots about personal things you have no idea about.

I hate to come down on you man, but you've really reached some new lows the past 2 days. I really hate to see that come from you because you're obviously a smart guy.

Anyway have the last word if you want it.

by Atma Brother ONE on Nov 13, 2006 11:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Now, pay attention, Atma. . . .

You're just working yourself up into a lather without thinking about what's really being said here.

First, I don't want you to "hype" Dunleavy; never did. I want you to take a break from all the cheap shots and bon mots that flow from your pervasive "frustration" with the guy. (And I still can't figure out what that's all about.) And last week's unforunate frothing was simply too over the top -- except as an emotional outburst.

Second, I think Dun's had three pretty fair games in a row now. Same as Baron. (Davis started out pretty slowly, too, remember? And he's still got to internalize the team play concept in the last two minutes. But his change for the better has been worth hyping, I happily concede. I just think Dun doesn't deserve the outlandish -- Rosen-style -- hate, especially since it blinds you to the effectiveness he's starting to show now coming off the bench.

Third, the "tirade" wasn't your comment after the Piston's game. That was just innocuous, relatively speaking. It was that hit piece last week, venting yourself and accusing those who see positives in Dun's game as heaping "absurd praise" on him, which is hardly the case. (BTW, I've seen no challenge to my comments about his improved play the last three games, so noting positives about Dun's game can't be all that absurd, can it? Or is positive comment on Dunleavy ipso facto absurd in your world view?)

Finally, in no way was I giving you a "lecture" about "managing your personal relationships." I was implying that a major aspect of growing up and dealing with things analytically (as they are) instead of based entirely on emotion (as you perceive -- or feel -- them) is the ability to address and deal with "frustration" positively, instead of just using it as an outlet, a mechanism to express your rage.

Maybe the next time you're eager to dump on Dun -- or any other W, for that matter -- you'll just give it a second thought; maybe count to 10 and take some deep breaths. As I have said, you DO make good observations when you've got your thinking cap on. That's what's fun to see. OK?

by johnl on Nov 13, 2006 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Thoughts from the Pistons fans

http://www.need4sheed.com/2006/11/pistons-get-stomped-by-warriors.html

http://pistons.mostvaluablenetwork.com/general/pistons-whimper-in-west-coast-finale/

by Atma Brother ONE on Nov 12, 2006 9:02 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Just one of those games

When the ball bounces your way! Great shooting, lots of hustle, tired detriot, and even the refs were friendly! That murphy to Jrich inbound dunk was a work of art!! If Baron stays healthy I can see a fun season ahead.
The only things I didn't like were running up the score needlessly at the end and not letting foyle make an appearance. With a 30 point cushion it's bad Karma to dis-respect the man and the fans who'd like to show their thanks for the efforts he's put in over the years.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 12, 2006 10:25 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Maybe it was out of respect...

A lot of veteran players don't like to play meaningless garbage time, so maybe Nellie didn't put Foyle out there out of respect. Plus I think Nellie was taking a good look at the youngsters out there, especially POB.

by LancerEvoV on Nov 12, 2006 11:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

suck on huh?

what happened to this being a family site? lol.

by gsdubz on Nov 12, 2006 11:12 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Sorry man

We didn't mean to offend anyone. This is no doubt a family show. I think we all just got caught up in the excitement and DJ Fuzzy Logic and I have both had some very negative experiences in the midwest- haha, don't get us started.

If anyone was offended our sincerest apologies. Post on this thread or send us a line at goldenstwarriors@gmail.com and we'll change it. We respect this community and we have no intent whatsoever to post things that make people feel uncomfortable.

by Atma Brother ONE on Nov 12, 2006 11:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

didn't offend me

i thought it was funny, i was excited too, but way to keep it classy all the time boyz, GSoM is definitely where the #1 Warriors fans chill...

by gsdubz on Nov 12, 2006 6:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

what a game

now this was fun to watch. nearly perfect on both ends of the court. just gotta tighten up the free throws, but luckily we didn't need them tonight. if we shot like that in the last few games we wouldn't have won. it makes me think that maybe the warriors are better free throwers under pressure.

by AJC3317 on Nov 12, 2006 1:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Vey uncomfortable here boss

"We respect this community and we have no intent whatsoever to post things that make people feel uncomfortable" Any talk of censorship makes me very uncomfortable!! Suck on DAT!!

by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 12, 2006 2:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Good times

That was definitely the best game i've been to. It was scary having the team up big so early, but nice to NOT see another meltdown and scary ending. I didn't participate in the Foyle chant though cause i thought it was mean to chant for a guy you never wanna see play under normal circumstances. I'm human though and i couldn't help but laugh cause the entire bench was laughing and looking at our section. I think the people around me started the madness.

by dirrty on Nov 12, 2006 3:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Time to Move to the Next Level

Nice post overall by dj fuzzylogic,

however,

can we please get past the "white boy" comments anytime Mike Dunleavy or Troy Murphy are mentioned?

Many of us find that kind of racial stereotyping, even if no harm was intended, offensive and outdated.

We live in the year 2006 in the San Francisco Bay Area! This is the last board we should have to endure those kind of remarks.

Thanks!

by pineriver on Nov 12, 2006 5:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

You got my vote. . . .

I, too, get a bit tired every time this site decides to deride Dun (or Murph) as a "white boy." I guess we should just chalk it up to typical adolescent ignorance -- and hope the guys outgrow it.

by johnl on Nov 12, 2006 6:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm really questioning that claim

I, too, get a bit tired every time this site decides to deride Dun (or Murph) as a "white boy."

That's a pretty bold statement. The only time I can recall anything that could be interpreted as a "white boy" insult for the Dunleavy and Murphy tandem was a in the joke 44 reasons for Dunleavy's contract which was over a year ago. If you're going to make a pretty big accusation like that, I'd like to see some evidence.

NOWHERE in this post did DJ Fuzzy Logic deride Dunleavy and Murphy as "white boys", so I'm curious why you're making this statement.

I guess we should just chalk it up to typical adolescent ignorance -- and hope the guys outgrow it.

Whoa, I see we're back on the pointless age arguments. I thought you were bigger than that.

by Atma Brother ONE on Nov 12, 2006 6:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

A-Ha!

You thought I wouldn't notice you posting the 44 reasons again!

But I did. It will never go away!!!!

by Zorgon on Nov 12, 2006 7:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You've got to READ what's said. . .

The "white boys" comment is NOT that big a deal; just sympotmatic of when this site breaks down into puerile commentary -- which, fortunately, is not all that often.

But the comment in this story most certainly did relate to Dunleavy (I threw in Murphy, cuz you've paired them that way before, as you note). READ IT! A backhanded compliment about Dun hitting his "open" shots just before saying that it's likely just a "streaky. . .white boy" thing.

And, once again, it's not the age, it's the attitude.

by johnl on Nov 13, 2006 2:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

again...

johnl, besides the incident that Atma mentioned, can you find other moments where we have paired those two together? i mean it honestly, your proof is from a source that came AFTER the fact, its based on an example that WE just GAVE you yesterday, which came AFTER your initial assumption that we ALWAYS pair them. please show me when we've made those claims BEFORE because I simply don't see it. to accuse us of making that pairing based on an example we had to give you AFTER you made your initial comment about us pairing things suggests you already had it set in your mind that we think a particular way about all the white players on the team, which we know is not true. proof is in the positive. We don't call him "t-double" because he sucks.

by dj fuzzylogic on Nov 13, 2006 5:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

As Hamlet noted:

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

by johnl on Nov 14, 2006 8:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Are you waiving a white flag?

Fuzzy brought up some legitimate concerns and you addressed none of them.

by Atma Brother ONE on Nov 14, 2006 8:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

ditto

The NBA, just as American society, has a race problem - no one can deny that ... We can, however, put a stop to the sterotyping here on this site toward all players regardless of color. That does not mean that we do not point it out, it means we do not perpetuate the wrong any further.

by hardcore on Nov 12, 2006 6:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Misunderstanding...

I highly doubt he was trying to offend anyone who is caucasian. Contrary to what you are trying to argue, I don't believe that comment would be tolerated anywhere EXCEPT S.F., not the other way around, because most of this country is CONSERVATIVE but S.F. is LIBERAL. It's strictly political, not racial, that you are bringing that up. Ask any Social Scientist and they will agree:

TRUE REVERSE RACISM DOES NOT EXIST.

So please chill off that because I could go back and find hundreds of quotes in these posts where individuals are stereotyping African American NBA players in a negative manner, whereas this post was simply trying to complement Murphy and Dun.

by gsdubz on Nov 12, 2006 6:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

don't put words in my mouth

and you are making major assumptions about my views ... please don't presume to lecture any of us on polysci, of course there's racism - in all directions, and whether racism is labeled as "reverse" or not depends entirely on context ... to be clear, I'm not "arguing" anything other than we ought to recognize all stereotyping, and avoid it in all its manifestations...

by hardcore on Nov 12, 2006 8:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

hi who are you?

I don't remember even addressing you in this post? please clarify.

by gsdubz on Nov 13, 2006 7:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Just not seeing it

can we please get past the "white boy" comments anytime Mike Dunleavy or Troy Murphy are mentioned?

Maybe I'm confused, but I'm just not seeing where DJ Fuzzy Logic referred to Dunleavy and Murphy as "white boys".

All I caught was this:

Dun's hitting uncontested shots was a relief as well. I won't get too excited, because we know that he's streakier than White boys on a college campus

which easily could've been: "John Starks was streakier than White boys on a college campus". My man's college humor/ metaphor about white students on college campuses had absolutely nothing to do with Mike Dunleavy or Troy Murphy as far as I can see.

But most importantly, you hit on it:

We live in the year 2006 in the San Francisco Bay Area! This is the last board we should have to endure those kind of remarks.

No doubt. We take this seriously. We're learning here too.

by Atma Brother ONE on Nov 12, 2006 7:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Let's Really Have a Golden State of Mind

I agree it was probably unintended. However, contrary to the statement another poster made, racism, whether you want to call it "reverse" or not, exists within all cultures.

To describe a grown man as a boy preceded by a "color" is demeaning. If anyone wants to defend using the term "White boy", let me ask you if you have a problem with the term "Black boy", with reference to a grown man?

I'm sure you do. I'm also sure many will continue to use both terms, whether publically or privately, regardless of what I say.

I am simply trying to raise the consciousness and sensitivity a little higher on an already awesome board, since we do represent the Golden State!

Peace.

by pineriver on Nov 12, 2006 8:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks

I am simply trying to raise the consciousness and sensitivity a little higher on an already awesome board, since we do represent the Golden State!

No doubt man. Thanks for the post. Much respect and your point has been noted.

by Atma Brother ONE on Nov 12, 2006 8:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I missed the JRich one-handed tomahawk

I was at the game with my kids...and missed the JRich one-handed tomahawk when I dropped my digicam. Darn it! Anyway, during the first break of the game, they played Kool and the Gang's "Celebration" and thought it was pre-mature. At that time I wished they didn't play it. I guess the sound people knew it was gonna be a blow out just 5 mins into the game! Sweet game!

I'll try and send some pics to GSoM sometime this week.

by MANUTEs BOLs on Nov 12, 2006 5:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

foyle?!?!?

i really wanted to see foyle come out and play too. i'm going to really miss foyle if they buy out his contract. he had bad basketball prowess but he was a smart guy. his character was off the heezy

by bun on Nov 12, 2006 5:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

apologies...

...if i offended anyone. but i think if you read the post, the "white boy" reference refers to white boys on campus who love to streak for no apparent reason (frat guys love stuff...). Dun's "streakiness" on the court is not because he's white, but because he is wildly inconsistent. If you noticed what followed after that comment was "this goes for the rest of the team." the "streakiness" is a play on the word that goes for both dun and white male college students, not because they're both white. I think you all have made those racial connection yourself.

by dj fuzzylogic on Nov 12, 2006 7:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

also...

was murphy even mentioned in the post? how does that statement become conflated with the "white guys" on the team? Murph's consistent double doubles (less this year tho) isn't "streaky"

by dj fuzzylogic on Nov 12, 2006 7:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I just noticed something....

I think ol' fuzzy took that 'Sheed pic from another game and photoshopped it with a black background. For shame!

by Zorgon on Nov 12, 2006 7:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

remember Chris Paul?

he only went for 22 & 34 vs us! which means he's stat stacking on the Dubz cuz he's only averaging 19+ so far ... just mess'n w/ya

by hardcore on Nov 12, 2006 9:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

who cares about

"white boys"? if that honestly offends you then you need to come down to earth. I myself am, as they say in "the hood" a "white boy" and i considered it somewhat amusing if i do say so myself. (just messing, i could care less about white boy comments, and i am a white boy)

by mydedgerbil555 on Nov 12, 2006 8:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

It's only words!

Ya gotta take the word and turn it into a positive. As my MAN Tupac would've....
You know what I mean
last year
we poured out liquor for ya
this year "whiteboy", life goes on
we're gonna clock now
get money
evade bitches
evade tricks
give players plenty space
and basicaly just represent for you baby
next time you see your"whiteboys"
your gonna be on top "whiteboy"
their gonna be like,
'Goddamn, them "whiteboys" came up'
that's right baby!

by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 13, 2006 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Recap from Detroit Bad Boys (Pistons Blog)

http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2006-11-12/its-like-the-tortoise-and-the-hare-only-the-hare-k eeps-winning/

by Atma Brother ONE on Nov 12, 2006 9:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

ya, nice shout to y'all

To the Warriors, I tip my cap. I was a bit dismissive of their chances in my preview and was roundly called out for it by their fans on Golden State of Mind, which is not only the best Warriors blog out there but also one of the best NBA team blogs.

and some begrudging respect to boot:

The truth is, small ball rules in today's NBA, and nobody does small ball better than Don Nelson. Golden State's roster may be flooded with guys a lot of us Eastern Conference fans haven't heard of yet (Andris Biedrins? Monta Ellis?), but I have a feeling that'll change by the end of the season.

by hardcore on Nov 12, 2006 9:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Best Dubs game in a decade???

I agree, the game was fun to watch, and the Warriors certainly played well, but come on now! We were playing an INCREADIBLY slow and tired Detroit team, coming off a road game the night before. It was also the last game of their four game trip. By all accounts from Deroit fans, they have been playing really poorly lately. They let us dominate them. They weren't even trying. This was a perfect match-up for a us as we were well rested - playing a slower team that's really tired. We can just run circles around them all day and tire them out - which is exactly what we did. I'm as happy about a win as anyone, but don't let this be a barometer for success (we beat Detroit, we're the best!) because we won't get another game as easy as this one probably all season. The upcoming game against the Raptors will even prove to be much more difficult.

Finally hoops hope in the City Of Dope?

by oaklandish on Nov 13, 2006 1:01 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

I'm a convert

I watched the Detroit game. I have to say, I was a supporter of Dunleavey, but not anymore.

He just doesn't deserve to start and barely contributes other than passing. His shot is as bad as Beidrins. We may as well put POB out there launching from 3 point range. It would be about the same percentage, plus 3 more blocked shots a game.

His stats are puffed up beyond most other players. He just can't deliver on the potential, and I'm stopping being blind to it.

Ship him out, ASAP!

by Gain on 10 on Nov 13, 2006 7:51 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Who on earth

would buy his contract? There's no way in hell we'll ever ship Dungleavy out. He's here to stay. And I thought he actually had a decenty game last night. I mean, I hate the fact that we have him, but saying he doesn't have any skills that can be utilized is just wrong. He had 8 assists last night, scored a little (on wide open jumpers, though) had some boards, etc. If he can put up well-rounded numbers in a reserve role, it'll be fine. I just get upset when I see him out there for all of a 4th quarter in crunch-time. The guy really does suck most of the time.

Finally hoops hope in the City Of Dope?

by oaklandish on Nov 13, 2006 11:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs