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Why Does Mike Dunleavy Get Booed So Much?

In today's Warriors Notebook for the San Francisco Chronicle the topic of Mike Dunleavy getting booed on the home floor is touched upon. Regardless of whether the Warriors are winning or losing there always seem to be some very loud boos directed at Dunleavy. In the piece Jason Richardson revealed that the constant boos do indeed affect Dunleavy.

It's no secret that sports fans are loud. Professional athletes get booed all the time on their home floor if they aren't bringing it or not performing well. Players who aren't popular with fans will hear it in the worst way even when they just did something great (Exhibit A: Kobe Bryant getting booed at the All Star game in Philly a few years back when accepting the MVP trophy). It's not always fair, but it's part of the territory.

I was pretty surprised Dunleavy was seeing the boo-birds last night after his best performance of the season. I remember seeing Dunleavy swear at some fans who were booing him at the arena last season, but as far as I can tell from the TV cameras none of that was happening last night and the booing just wasn't very fair. Warrior fans are the most passionate, loyal, and intelligent fans in the NBA, so I'd be extremely hesitant to make some claim that the arena was just filled with some bums last night. This is the Bay Area. That's not our style.

This has to be somewhat of a PR disaster for the Warriors. Even when Dunleavy has a good game he's getting booed at home. No other Warrior player gets that kind of treatment. I don't want to romanticize this topic and make Dunleavy a hero here- he deserves criticism for his poor career and big talk, the Warriors have erred several times with their handling and marketing of him, and some in the local media have given him a relative pass for his lackluster career relative to other Bay Area athletes who see nonstop censure- but it's extremely odd how he gets those boos in the arena nonstop. The interesting discussion point isn't so much does he deserve these boos, but rather why does this happen?

Why do you think Mike Dunleavy gets booed so much at The Oracle Arena in front of the home crowd? Or do you think the booing level Dunleavy hears at home is just being sensationalized and overblown?

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thats tough
Dunleavy can be a great player. He has potential. It seems like a lot of his problem is mental. I mean, how many free throws has he just gone up and bricked. It seems like he doesn't even concentrate. He just needs to play. As he lets the game come to him, the fans will embrace him. This thing is getting way out of hand. It's not a huge deal. He's still getting paid anyway!
Big Tone

by tadams1080 on Nov 15, 2006 12:45 PM PST   0 recs

they boo him
cause when does well it's a mirage.  a smoke screen.  we all know he's gonna stink it up sooner or later.

by namjagerungbengi on Nov 15, 2006 12:53 PM PST   0 recs

good topic
this topic puts me in the awkward position of "defending" a player that i'm not a big fan of.

as a long time season ticket holder, this has been bothering me for a while.  i don't like the booing at all.

as far as i'm concerned, i hope this topic doesn't devolve into "what has dunleavy done for me lately?", because that's not the point.

the question is what the hell do you boo an individual on your team in your home arena?

should you complain about him to your buddy sitting next to you?  sure.  should you throw foam bricks at the tv when you're watching from home?  sure.  should you put a voodoo curse on him?  go for it.

just don't boo in the arena.

i think the only time you could even justify booing is a) at the team at the end of the game when they obviously didn't put out the effort or b) at players who have obviously been dogging it and showing disrespect to their team.

to boo an individual when they miss a bucket during a game that is undecided is simply bush (in my opinion)

i'm not a big fan of dunleavy.  he's not a starter on my gsw team by any means.  i think he's got nba talent...but i think he's not been able to put it together yet...which is sad...for him and for us.

i don't think he should have been drafted number 3 and i don't think he should have been given such a big contract.  again, that's not the point.

if you don't care about dunleavy (which you don't have to)...then care about his teammates...and care about yourself.  booing him is not productive in any way (no, you're not going to make nellie do anything different).  do you think he hears the boos and says "hey, i didn't realize i was sucking it up so much, i guess i'll try to play better?"  no, no matter how you feel about what he's produced...you have to give the guy credit that he cares and he's trying to play better.

in a nutshell, dunleavy playing well is good for all of us (even if it means finally being able to trade him)....why get in the way of that?

by TMC Forever on Nov 15, 2006 1:13 PM PST   0 recs

Give me about......
7- 10 more games like that then I'll jump over the bandwagon....but we all know that he's good for 22pts one night then going back to Mr. Triple Single that he is the other night.  Every time they put him in it seems that he is holding the GSW offense back.........IMO.....Oh BTW......when they pulled him out of the starting roll isn't a coincidence the Warriors Offense look more fluid........Great Lineup so far by Nelly in the past two games.....and the only reason I believe Mike D was getting any PT was because of Pietris, BD, and Ellis being in foul trouble.....mainly in the first quarters against....Detroit and Toronto.  

by buddarifik on Nov 15, 2006 1:20 PM PST   0 recs

Why Boo Dun Last Night?
It's simple, really.  Just an immature, rote reaction to a missed shot.   People have seen -- and been told (by this site in particular) -- that Dun's terrible, so when they see a miss by him, it's just a stimulus-response thing to boo without even thinking.  (You guys have made it almost a "hilarious" game to dis Dun -- especially with those endless pix.)  Now, it's clear that these people who boo'd last night know little about the game, or they would have appreciated what Dun was doing.  But it's easy to act like a dumb, spoiled kid -- and just boo on cue, regardless of context.

Glad to see, Atma, that it wasn't you leading the charge, but we're both a little puzzled by the transparency and basketball illiteracy shown by people who boo a guy when he's actually playing quite well (and at the time last night, Dun was about the only offensive tool the W's had when the Raptors went on their tear -- otherwise there'd have been a much bigger hole to dig out of).

As much as the booing perplexes, it was unfortunate but also instructive to see how many posters on this site actually got off on -- and loved -- Dun's failed drive and slam attempt.  (How about a little cessation of the "ha-ha-ha"s, guys?  It adds nothing to the discussion and just isn't that funny.)  I thought, too bad he missed, but really nice to see him take it to the hoop so hard; others, apparently, enjoy it more when he misses than when he hits, because not too many of those posters focused on his actual scoring around the basket (and drawing fouls, too).  He's no AB there, for sure, but he does finish, unlike MP, for example.

But, if Dun keeps playing like he has since Nellie's made him the sixth man -- and besides his scoring and playing the five when Adonal showed he couldn't last night, those eight rebounds didn't hurt -- people are going to have to start recognizing it.  

Finally, Nellie's big problem with Mike in the first four games was that Dun just wasn't rebounding.  (I was disappointed, too, since he's got to use his length to grab boards to max out his many talents.)  But, tho it's only been two games now, Dun seems to have got the point and has been getting his share of RBs -- and more.  I, for one, really hope he keeps it up, but there are our more puerile types who seem to like to boo more than they like to win.  Let's just watch for a while.  There's something enjoyable happening out there.

by johnl on Nov 15, 2006 1:31 PM PST   0 recs

bad form
As much as Dun-dun has frustrated me, the booing at home is weak. Overall, the Oracle enthusiasm seems way less than other arenas---are we too cool for school?

by i8thekittypurr on Nov 15, 2006 1:34 PM PST   0 recs

Disappointing
I wish people would just remember the other possibilities before they boo.

Dunleavy was a high pick and has gotten a nice contract extension.  No he's a long way from a savior and probably will never be a savior.

But, he's never said "I want out, I want to be a winner."  He's never committed any crimes.  He's never blasted a teammate, a coach or the organization.  Those should be givens but they are hardly the norm.  JRich today came out in the SF Chron and said that he feels bad because he's been with Dunleavy for 5 years.  Well if a teammate says that about you after 5 years, you're doing something right.  

I want Dunleavy to stay around because he's got some unique talents that will blossom someday.  His problem is confidence, not overconfidence, and thank goodness, not an over sense of entitlement.

Nothing better than "The City".

by philsmith75 on Nov 15, 2006 1:52 PM PST   0 recs

Correction...
He put Baron Davis on blast last season... it may have looked light in the papers but it must have been deeply rooted enough to call out Davis in the public.  

by mightymadskillz on Nov 15, 2006 3:18 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Baloney!
This hoary story keeps rearing its ugly head -- but it's just not true.  Dun never called anybody out.  What he said was the team had to play a different (i.e. team game) style if it wanted to win.

Now we all know BD was the biggest problem in that regard -- lasy year.  He pounded the ball incessantly, fixated on the dullest most ineffective two-man game (which ALWAYS fell apart in the fourth quarter), and he ended up taking -- and missing -- horrendous shots (if he didn't have the worst shooting percentage of any NBA starter last year, he was close).  And, true, it was BD that was going to have to change things (as he's shown he can do -- and has done -- this year) if this TEAM was going to turn it around, but Dun NEVER called out BD by name so far as I'm aware.

That people put two and two together is one thing.  Especially since from the present vantage point -- with Nellie finally getting the guys to play TEAM ball -- that Dunleavy was absolutely dead on right about the way the guys were playing.  (Indeed, as I recall he didn't exclude himself.)

But I'm still waiting to see any evidence that Dun called Davis out in public.  No matter that people keep repeating this mantra as if it were fact.  If it WERE true, we'd see some quotes; that people would LIKE it to be true says more, perhaps, about them than Dun.

In short, show me the "blast."  Or let's move on.  Fair enough?

by johnl on Nov 15, 2006 4:51 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

if i recall...
...Dun made public comments about Davis' penchant for streetball, which he also thought was the ultimate demise of this team. Although making some contradictory statements about caring and not caring in the offseason, Davis at the end of the season took responsibility for the team's poor outcome. To say that Davis is the best player and should be the only one accountable for the teams poor play is ridiculous. Again the same could be said for Dun; he's not the reason the Warriors were bad. But to say that because Dun isn't the "leader" or "the #1" doesn't mean we can critique him (as well as others).

by dj fuzzylogic on Nov 15, 2006 6:08 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

streetball directed at everyone, not Baron
While Davis may have been the target, Dunleavy never named Davis in his streetball comment.  That was inferred.  The actual quote was "We [my emphasis] can't just go throw the ball out there and play street ball, and that's what we rely on."  The comment said "we" meaning that Dunleavy specified no one.  The comment was addressed to the entire team as the entire team was the culprit.  He added, "I've been trying to explain this to everybody [emphasis mine] since the first game of the season."  Again, he didn't address this to Baron, but to 'everybody.'

While perhaps he wasn't the best vehicle for this message, and it's easy to read in that Baron was responsible, that's not actually what he said.  He wasn't wrong in his evaluation of the team's problem, though neither was he part of the solution on the court.

by jae on Nov 15, 2006 6:55 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

word
thank you for the quote. you're right, he doesn't say Davis name directly but, its obvious, to me at least, that he's talking about Davis. I agree that at times Davis was destructive to the offense (take note all those that say we never critique others) and his "streetball" deserves to be critiqued and criticized. But accountability isn't just left for those that are "superstars."

by dj fuzzylogic on Nov 15, 2006 7:39 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

The solution
"We [my emphasis] can't just go throw the ball out there and play street ball, and that's what we rely on."  "I've been trying to explain this to everybody [emphasis mine] since the first game of the season."

   Great! but if Dun could play streetball as well as Baron there'd be no problem either, God's been trying to explain that to Dun since the first game of last season. Game is fun! Dun, play more hyphy instead of ragging on everyone else !

by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 15, 2006 8:55 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Thanks JAE!
Glad someone found the actual quotation.  Now maybe we can let this issue die, as it deserves to do.  

As for Dun not being a BD-level "streetball" player, I'd hoped we'd all come to conclude that "street" play -- while fun with respect to a handful of individual plays during any one game -- is anathema to a team intent on jumping the hurdle and becoming a winner.

So the real issue is not so much that Dun isn't a streetball player (to his and our benefit, in my opinion) but that BD, in particular, is learning how to junk a lot of his streetball concepts (i.e. the one and two-man games) and, instead, play a TEAMball game where everyone's involved.

Tell me true, now, as much fun as the individual highlights are, wouldn't you rather watch a winning team?

by johnl on Nov 16, 2006 9:13 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

not to rehash old business
but i'm still waiting for your examples of when we paired both murph and dun together besides saying we do it cuz we mentioned it in a reply to your comment.

by dj fuzzylogic on Nov 15, 2006 6:10 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Dunleavy
I think frustration has built up over the years due to a number of factors: misplaced expectations of him, his lack of improvement, and his pay relative to his performance.
  1. He was a #3 pick, has been expected to play like one, and has fallen well short of that standard.  In his defense, though, 2002 was a fairly weak draft.  Drew Gooden and Caron Butler are the only guys that the Warriors could've realistically been expected to have considered that high in the draft that have been productive (Stoudamire had character issues), and while they're better than Dunleavy, it's not like they're world-beaters.
  2. Dunleavy was billed as a strong perimeter shooter coming out of school, and he has not been one in the NBA.  That'd be ok, but more important is that he hasn't shown improvement year to year, in that or other areas of his game, in stark contrast to guys like Murphy and Richardson.  I don't expect him to hit JR types of fadeaways.  What I do expect is an increased ability to hit wide open jumpers after four years in the league.
  3. He's way over-paid.  Perhaps this is more Mullin's fault than Dunleavy's.  Dunleavy can be a useful, high bball-IQ, second-unit player off the bench, with a good handle and decision making ability for a guy of his size.  But that's worth maybe the mid-level exception.  He's using resources that could be better spent on others.

by wg on Nov 15, 2006 2:05 PM PST   0 recs

Faithfull or not fans are always looking for bad
He gets booed because everyone from this site to the local media tell them he is bad.  Yes I am a huge Dunleavy fan and yes I think he was picked too high.  But if you remember that draft very few people out of that draft are better than him.  What I think people forget is last year when the warriors were stinking it up without J-Rich or Baron it was Dunleavy and Fisher that even held them in games at all.  I agree he shouldn't be a starter on THIS team, he is much better coming off the bench.  But too boo him in our own arena when he is having a great game saddens me as a warrior fan.  It is not his fault the warriors have sucked so bad for so long, I feel it's just warrior fans looking for something to boo at so they can justify thier loyalty to the team.  Yes is he the most inconsistent player on the team, but even when inconsistent he has a decent game.  No it's not going to be J-Rich level or Baron level everynight but he is a good role player and warrior fans should support him, because we all know he has a confidence problem.

by Dun Fan on Nov 15, 2006 2:08 PM PST   0 recs

i'm not a dunleavy fan in the least
but i give props where it's due..he played well last night and actually contributed..i personally don't mind booing him when he screws up repeatedly, but at the same time you gotta give it up for when he actually comes through...now lately he's been producing more, so yes fans should lay off him..for the time being

having him come off the bench is perfect for him..he's good enough to do some things against other teams 2nd unit..he just doesn't have the consistency to be a starter

the crowning achievement of ira newble's illustrious career

by JudBooshlur on Nov 15, 2006 2:11 PM PST   0 recs

Send him to the Clips?
  Quotes of interest
 "Dunleavy can be a great player"

  Dotcha mean can be an average player?

   and  "It's simple, really.  Just an immature, rote reaction to a missed shot"

    I agree it's simple but it's simply because he's not very likable. I can't picture us booing Monta or B'Dris no matter what they do. Dun plays like someone who was brought up with a lot of coaching and memorized the mechanics of the game but doesn't really have an aptitude for the game so watching him play is just not much fun.
 From Dun we don't get the creative play of a baron or monta, the goofy exuberance of a MP or the sweetness of a B'Dris.
  Now where could he play where he wouldn't get booed? How about the clippers? maybe the coach would not allow it?? But why hasn't he figured out a way to trade for Dun by now???

   

by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 15, 2006 2:36 PM PST   0 recs

I disagree with you
on the  basketball IQ of Dunleavy,that is what he excels at, and what he has constantly complained about, this team in the past was too much show boat and not enough about fundamentals.  He is not a super star, and never will be but he is a great team player, always running without the ball, great passer, trying to make the TEAM better and not worrying about how many points he scores.  The problem with fans are that they don't care if their team loses as long as they are making spectacular dunks or acrobatic moves.

by wushi on Nov 16, 2006 10:07 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

I think he gets booed mostly because
... he's been a disappointment. But, let's face it, part of the reason people feel free to harass Dunleavy is because he's a rich white guy from Duke, who got drafter really high and gets payed too much.

IMHO, race and class factor into it.

by Jeremy Belvins on Nov 15, 2006 3:29 PM PST   0 recs

Hadn't really thought of that angle...
...but being a spoiled rich kid from Dook seems like the best reason I can think of to boo him.  His parents contributed 4 figures to Dubya's last campaign and the silver spoon appears to throw off his jumper.

by jae on Nov 15, 2006 7:10 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Booing...
Opening night we were booing every missed freethrow in the second half... were those boos justified?  Yes... they were doing poorly and needed to hear it.  Last night there were fans booing Dunleavy when he checked into the game, when he touched the ball, and when he missed.  Were these justified?  of course not!  I don't like Dunleavy's game as much as the next person, but I wont degrade him when he's performing up to par.  He's played well and deserves as much cheering as Adonal Foyle does for just entering the game.  It's absurd to turn your back on your own just because he has a history of under performing.  This isn't New York and he isn't A-Rod.  It's not like he's making an absurd amount of money... he's getting "a good role player's" money for sub-par role player's performances with an occational breakthrough game.  I think that people are just really caught up in the "Dunleavy's horrible" phase that they can't understand when he has a good game... Everyone's saying "Let him do this consistently before I change my opinion of him" when we should all be saying "if he plays well give him playing time and if he doesn't then don't" which is what Nellie's been doing this year so far.  Let's all be positive about the situation because like it or not, HE'S A WARRIOR!  Until otherwise I will continue to support the WHOLE TEAM including Dunleavy.  This doesn't mean I condone his horrible play, this means I approve of his average to above average play.  Everyone open your eyes!

by mightymadskillz on Nov 15, 2006 3:35 PM PST   0 recs

When people
talk about his horrible play they are referring to the fact he has missed a lot of shots we think he should make, or doesn't rebound as many as we think he should, but he has always been a very good passer, he plays the game very well, he has an excellent sense of the game, runs without the ball etc.  Every time I read something on this site they refer to last year, this is not last year, the coach is different, the plays are different.  The starting lineup is different, the players are asked to do different things, why continue to refer to last years team when it is not last years team.

by wushi on Nov 16, 2006 10:14 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Why?
I dislike Dunleavy, just putting that out there.  He  is not a starter and he has the unfortunate quality of airballing when it hurts the worst.  But how do you boo results?  We won last night, thats right, WON.  For the third game in a row!  As far as I have heard MD hasn't made noise about coming off the bench, the position his play deserves.  I would like to reiterate again, we are winning, I can't argue with success.  Now if a nice trade comes along and Dunleavy is involved, I'm all for shipping him out.    But right now he is what we have, and its working.  Save those boos for when we are losing

by FoyledAgain on Nov 15, 2006 3:45 PM PST   0 recs

I think people have been looking for a single...
player to blame for warrior dissapointments. I dont remember anyone booing Baron Davis when he launched 129253976125397623 threes with reckless abandon last season? I have personally never booed a Warrior and I never plan to.

I think people find it easy to bash on Dunleavy because of his demeanor... he is not charismatic, hes not a leader, hes very passive and introverted, or atleast he seems so, and hes not very athletic when compared to other players on the team. So its easier to blame him than it is to.... say... blame Baron Davis? Now by no means am I knocking on Baron Davis... the Warriors would DEFINATELY be a lottery team without him but people aim too much of their frustration of warriors mistakes solely at Dunleavy.

I'm by no means a Dunleavy fan... and I dont admire his game at all. I feel that his minutes should be very limited off the bench. But I feel so sorry for the guy... to have to play in an arena infront of fans that boo him when he tries hard every night. Now I know trying hard and being productive are two different things... and so what if he's not as skilled as some of the other warriors, thats Chris Mullin's fault for signing him to such a large contract instead of trying to trade him. Or dropping him from the roster in some other way...

by ZombieWarrior on Nov 15, 2006 4:04 PM PST   0 recs

Interesting addition
Dunleavy's take on the whole thing: here

I think Dunleavy has become the scapegoat for fans frustrated with the franchise in general.

I mean, he basically embodies everything that's been wrong with the franchise: bad drafting, players' strengths not being used, bad contract, mediocre to poor play.

He's an outlet.

Me?  I like to go against the grain.  I boo Murph.

by booya on Nov 15, 2006 4:08 PM PST   0 recs

also not a dun fan
Truthfully I hate his game. BUT i would NEVER boo a member for the Golden State Warriors EVER. Just doesn't feel right.
That said, i can understand the booing for some very simple reasons, some of which are not Dun's fault at all:
  • he was a #3 pick!
  • he signed a HUGE contract
  • the team traded Jamison in large part to make Dun a starter
  • the management has yet to get a legit SF on this roster to compete with Dun for playing time (although getting Nellie as coach made this a mute point since he doesn't even need or want a typical SF)
  • he whines A LOT (suprised he hasn't picked up a technical yet with the new rules)
  • he DOES call out teammates in the press. he hasn't done it yet this year but in the past he has been quick to mention that guys "dont' play the right way"
Now that last one is what really irritates me about him. He has not been shy about blaming the W's woes on other guys not playing the "right way", and he'll say this after posting yet another triple single, while guys like Jrich are out there laying it on the line every night. As a matter of fact, i don't think i've ever read a quote from him where he actually takes responsibility for his crappy play...it's always the other guys playing "street ball". If he was man up and admit he had a bad game point that finger back at himself and say something like, you know what, I just didn't get it done tonight. I think the bay area fans would give him a break.

Let's Go Oakland! Gas, Brake, Dip.

by OaktownFunk on Nov 15, 2006 4:23 PM PST   0 recs

The Boos
The only person booing a Warrior having a 22 pt night is a Lakers fan.

Think about it.

Be a Warrior fan or use the door.

Team.

by Gain on 10 on Nov 15, 2006 6:30 PM PST   0 recs

I'm a Dun fan!
yea I said it ... want to know why ... because ya'll keep ragging on him dammit! =)

I agree with what a lot of people said, especially that Dunleavy is a scapegoat for all the fan's frustration.

But I also think many of the fans who boo him ... and won't admit this ... are basically "player haters". Think about this. He's white, tall, rich ... and a lot of the ladies think he's good looking. Now I know I'm about to get a LOT of CRAP for this, but I do think many fans out there hate him for those exact reasons. A sense of jealousy comes over and the fact that Dunleavy is no where close to meeting expectations, people get all over him. There are a lot of other players in the league making a ton of money and not playing well, who don't get half the crap Dunleavy does. So why is that? Well for one he's said a couple public things about teammates which didn't sit well with fans, and two ... well I can't really think of anything right now.

Foyle has got to be one of the worst centers EVER (sorry Zorgon). He gets paid a ton but no one boos him. It's probably because he's loved in the bay area for many different reasons outside of basketball. He also doesn't have too much pressure on him because no one ever projected him to bring the warriors to the playoffs. Tack on the fact that my younger sister could probably beat him in a fight, no one is threatened by him.

Go back to Dunleavy, why the hell would you boo one of your players when he's playing a hell of a good game? Basic frustration and pure hatred for the guy! I can think of a dozen players in the league who have done far worse things then Dunleavy and they get treated better by their fans. It makes no sense at all!

All I'm trying to get out of this is that you can rag on him all you want because its fun ... but at the end of the day we should really be wishing Dunleavy could play to his potential and help our favorite team make the playoffs. Booing him while he's playing well will achieve nothing. People who booed him should ask themselves why do you really dislike Dunleavy. Aren't there a ton of other players who are far worse or have done things not respected in the public eye?

I'm Jerry Springer ... and that's my final word!

by YaoButtaMing on Nov 15, 2006 7:55 PM PST   0 recs

Hmm...
This is going to sound like a contradiction.  I start to boo when GS as a team shoots ft's horrendously like they did on Opening Night, or all of last season.  I just can't condone professional ball players who get paid millions shooting 60% from the stripe as a team.

But as far as booing and constantly harassing one of our own players, i don't think that's right.  A player should be comfortable in his own arena and not have to worry about his own fans coming down on him for every miscue.

It's true that it's not Dunleavy's fault GS wasted a #3 pick on him, or that Mullin was clearly smokin some serious crack when he gave him that ridiculous and unnecessary extension.  I mean, what's he supposed to do, turn down the money?

I think a lot of fans are just tired of hearing over and over again about Dunleavy's great "potential."  5 years in, we're tired of hearing about it, we wanna see results.

The sad thing is, i don't think Dunleavy will ever really play well here.  It's in his head too much.  I feel bad for him cause i think GS has great fans (me included, haha).

But i also feel that the mental toughness he lacks is the reason he'll never realize his full "potential."  While these players are human and have feelings just like us mere mortals, let's not forget that they get paid tons of money to play a sport for a living.

He can't suck up all that hate and use it as motivation to play better so we can all stick it where the sun don't shine?

by dirrty on Nov 15, 2006 9:29 PM PST   0 recs

You guys got it backwards...
Some of you guys (ehem JohnL) really got it backwards.  I'll keep this short and simple because I already got a headsup from Atma not to call out people anymore, but I see the Dun lovers on this site talking about how this website is the main place that all the anti - Dunleavyism comes from, but I think the damn truth is that this is really the only place where PRO DUNLEAVYISM comes from!! Look outside of FOX SPORTS BAY AREA and WARRIORS.com, watch ESPN or any other national sports commentary and open your freakin eyes! The BAY AREA fans aren't stupid or bandwagon like LA?!  THIS IS THE BAY! WE BOO BECAUSE WE KNOW WHATSUP! WE ARE DEMOCRATIC AND PROGRESSIVE AND FAR MORE INTELLIGENT AS A METROPOLITAN REGION THAN MOST OF THE COUNTRY!  

DUNLEAVY HAS SUCKED FOR YEARS.  HE's not the only reason we suck, and he's not a bad human being, in fact, he's probably a nice guy, he certainly comes from a great basketball background, but that's all the more REASON WE BOO HIM, BECAUSE IT HURTS US TO SEE HIM TIME AND TIME AGAIN FAIL FAIL AND FAIL WHERE WE WERE HOPING TO SEE SUCCESS.  

PERIOD.

DONE... no... DUN.

And P.S. I'm so mad, I just want to point out that I called johnl in a post, got 18 replies, and he blew them all and ignored it.  Uncalled for man!  How could you sit here and deny that he called out Baron last year?  Everyone remembers that bro, what is your real agenda man?  

by gsdubz on Nov 15, 2006 10:41 PM PST   0 recs

hey everybody...
...gsdubz has the "damn truth".  

even though 90% of us basically said that dunleavy isn't performing up to standards, but that's no reason to boo.....gsdubz says we're all misguided.

thanks man, you've enlightened me with your intellectual, reasoned response.  i was especially swayed by the writing in all caps and your suggestion that i open my freakin eyes.  

thanks gsdubz, for confirming how most people have replied.  people who don't even like dun defend him because of people like you.  well done.

by TMC Forever on Nov 16, 2006 9:39 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Shifting from the topic...
We can point fingers and argue and take personal shots all day long... at the end of the day, one individual said it better than me, better than you, and better than most:

GSoM member: callahan

It's below this post, scroll down and see that he nails the truth.  It's really obvious by the superior vocabulary of the Dun defenders what type of background his supporters come from.  If Dun was black, there'd be Trade Dunleavy sites webwide.

by gsdubz on Nov 16, 2006 6:20 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

i can't believe i'm engaging with you...
did you even read my post? or my response to you?

the majority of people are NOT defending dunleavy's play.  most people said they're disappointed with dunleavy...and happy he's on the bench. i personally won't shed a tear if he gets traded.

the point most people made is that booing your own team in your own arena is punkish.  sorry, but if you feel otherwise, the majority of warrior fans and players like JRich (read his quote on the matter) don't want you around.

finally, what are you trying to say about people with "superior vocabularies"?  are you saying they can't be people of color?  i sure hope not...because if so, you've got serious issues.

by TMC Forever on Nov 17, 2006 1:03 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Don't play dumb
You know exactly what I'm talking about.  The racial "card".  Don't act like it doesn't have anything to do with anything buddy.  Now try and flip it around as many ways as you want and try to label me as whatever you want, but I'm not labeling you as anything, just pointing out that this Dunleavy thing goes DEEP.  

by gsdubz on Nov 17, 2006 6:32 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

playing cards, games and laying blame
Deep?  The reality seems that for a long time the Warriors have had a team goat who fans were down on.  Dampier got soundly booed on more than a few occasions and Jamison didn't win too many fans and was the subject of some rather mean spirited attacks on many boards.

Social race has a lot to do with alot, but I've heard the same sort of criticisms about Damp and Jamison than I hear now about Dunleavy and I don't think that the perceived 'defense' of Dunleavy has anything to do with race.  Specific deficiencies in their game aren't the same, but what 'fans' want to happen to them seem pretty similar.  They had detractors because more was expected of them than they ever delivered.  And this has nothing to do with any fan's "vocabulary." They've all had some defenders on various boards, but more than defenders are posters who comment that the attacks on these players are often rather ridiculous both in expectations and in evaluation of the real problem.  Most of the defense were people who admitted that these guys were at best incomplete players who wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt because it's really not that much fun to hate someone, especially someone who could be instrumental to their team's success.

I don't like Dunleavy because he's a spoiled rich kid who went to Dook and I hate Dook.  I don't like that he's nothing more than a mediocre player.  But I also recognize that I don't really know him at all (nor do I care to) and black, white or orange with purple racing stripes, he's just a basketball player and few of us really know anything about him.  I'll call attacks against him unwarranted when I think people are being unrealistic, somehow blaming him for being picked where he was and somehow try to make it personal.  I'll criticize him for what I see are his real faults: he is passive to a fault, he doesn't seem to use what talent he has and he's been as big a culprit in the "stand and wait for the three" as anyone else on the team, despite his protests about how the team has played.

Choosing a scapegoat does go deep, and it goes a whole lot deeper than a fan's background or vocabulary or melanin.  A little perspective is in order before making charges that people like or dislike him because he's white.

by jae on Nov 18, 2006 4:30 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I'm satisfied.
So much for you can't believe you're
even engaging me huh? I guess we have different opinions, and though mine aren't changing much and neither are yours, I appreciate your perspective.  I like engaging in this sort of intense debate, because it lets people say touch on hot topics that aren't discussed in casual conversation.  For the record, Dook is spelled Duke ;)

See ya around the forums JAE.

by gsdubz on Nov 19, 2006 6:45 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Baron deserved to be called out
last year, and in the first game this year also, which Nellie did, then talked to him about it.
The bottom line is that Dunleavy had the guts to call out his team for not playing team basketball.
When Baron decides to play team basketball he is the best point guard in the NBA, when he decides that he is going tow in the game by himself, he is in the lower ranks of the league, he simply is not a good shooter from any distance.  Dunleavy has never considered himself a scorer, other people think that. He wasn't a scorer at Duke either, he was a playmaker, a guy who will pass, and run without the ball, the way the game should be played if a team wants to be successful.  Under Nellie he will become that type of player.

by wushi on Nov 16, 2006 10:27 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Mike just hasn't
Mike gets the boos because 1) he's white 2) he's in the upper middle class and 3) he's been given every chance in the world to succeed while others get less of a chance.

It's easy to be a fan favorite when you got 1 and 2 going for you, and I wanted Mike to succeed as a #3 pick, then as a starter who just got a huge contract last year, and this year as a starting power forward, point forward or sixth man off the bench.  But enough is enough.  He's sucked in all those roles.  He hasn't been consistent.  He hasn't been aggressive.  Nellie raved about him in pre-season and then has said Dunleavy has done squat in the regular season.

It's time to trade Mike Dunleavy.  He may do better elsewhere, and I wish him luck, but it's not going to be here.  If GSW can't trade him this season because of BYC, then next season when it comes down.  ASAP!!!

by callahan on Nov 16, 2006 7:11 AM PST   0 recs

middle class?
"Upper middle class?"  This kid is a millionaire son of a millionaire.  That's not upper middle class.  That's elite top fraction of a percent of all people on the planet in terms of accumulated wealth.  He's middle class in the sense that Sprewell can't feed his family.

by jae on Nov 16, 2006 9:38 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

haha!
well said JAE, and callahan, much props, i hope u don't mind i kinda quoted u in a reply above, u were so on point! hope to see more of ur posts on the site =)

by gsdubz on Nov 16, 2006 6:25 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

... and a lot of the ladies think he's good lookin
  Hahaha!  What kinda women you hangin with, man? I asked my wife and she said "he looks like lurch from that old TV show", man.  I said who does baby like? she said "Chris webber,man"(never figure this woman out,man!) "I said I like that warrior girl on the left, let's go upstairs and let'em get it on, then?  

by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 16, 2006 10:43 AM PST   0 recs

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