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Before we get started, your boys, Atma, FJ, Hash, and YaoButta of GSoM were at the game tonight courtesy of FSN. We even got to bring one of our fellow bloghers, Miss SunsGossip. She hooked us up with a great photograph. Now you all know what we look like in person.


In order: YaoButtaMing, Fantasy Junkie, Hash, Atma Brother ONE



I guess Nellie's 1200th win will have to wait another day. The Warriors had a chance to win tonight but didn't play like they wanted it. We shot better than the Pacers, were pretty much even on the glass, and had more points in the paint. So why did we lose?

Honestly, I hate it when people complain about the refs, but this game was poorly officiated. The Pacers had 26 free throws to the Warriors 12. The Warriors had 62 points in the paint versus the Pacers 48 so it wasn't like the Warriors were settling for jumpers all night. They were aggressive and took the ball to the hole strong. I can't see how all the drives by Monta, Baron, Dunleavy, and company didn't draw more fouls. For a team to be that aggressive and attack the basket that often to wind up with 14 less free throws than their competition is puzzling to me. Maybe the drives were clean and there were no fouls, but rarely do you see that big of a free throw differential when a team is being aggressive.

The worst call (or non call) of the night and possibly the worst blown call I've ever seen, was the goaltending by the Pacers on a Dunleavy layup that wasn't called. Check out warrior fan 23's diary, Warriors Got Screwed for some detail. But basically, Dunleavy's layup attempt hit the backboard and was about to drop in before one of the Pacers spiked it back off the backboard. Didn't any of the 3 refs see the ball hit the glass twice? Do they know what goaltending is? It changed the whole game. It wasn't the sole reason the Warriors lost, but it affected the outcome of the game.

I thought another big problem tonight was the defense. Despite the 15 blocks on the interior, I really felt the Warriors perimeter D let them down. The Pacers had a ton of open jumpers and most NBA players will knock down an open jumper if you give it to them. I'm not sure what happened to the D tonight, but they looked a step slow on the perimeter. Why didn't somebody tell the Warriors that Al Harrington can shoot the 3? Coming into the game he was shooting 50% from 3. I remember telling Hash and YaoButta as we watched the game that the guy is a very good 3 point shooter. So what does he do tonight? Just score 28 and knock down 6 of 8 three pointers. The last one was huge as it brought the Pacers within one and put pressure on the Warriors to score on their final possession. I mentioned in the preview that he would be the wild card and I really felt that he would be the difference maker. As he went, the Pacers would go. Sadly, he changed the entire complexion of the game with his scoring and literally kept the Pacers in the game with a barrage of 3-pointers in the 2nd half.


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The Warriors showed their still going through some growing pains tonight. As great as they looked putting away the Jazz and the Spurs in the 4th, they looked equally bad tonight trying to not lose the game rather than going out and securing the win. They were just unable to put the Pacers away. I give the Pacers and Coach Carlisle credit for sticking around long enough to pull out the win, but the Warriors really gave this one away. The Warriors just couldn't get a run together that would push the lead higher and higher. It seemed like the Warriors would be up 5 at one point and then a minute later the Pacers cut the lead down to 1 or 2. Back and forth it went all night until the final 3 possessions. I don't want to bring it up, but I just have one question. Why did Baron spike the ball out towards the perimeter on that final rebound? If he could get so much hand on the ball, he should have just grabbed it or tipped it to himself. If he does that, game over, Warriors win. I felt it was just a poor play on his part.

A couple of notes:
I really hope Pietrus isn't regressing again. He seemed much to content to run to his favorite place to take a 3, the baseline corner, receive the pass and launch. I don't remember him taking it to the hole enough or being that active on the glass or on defense. Hopefully it's because this was his first game back from the stomach flu because that flat out cannot continue.

JRich was only able to play 7 minutes tonight because of soreness in his surgically repaired knee. He says he'll be back for Saturday, keep your fingers crossed.

Where was Beans tonight? Just 9 points and 5 boards? He didn't seem as active tonight and really didn't seem to get into the flow of the game. He's setting high expectations right now which is great, but it's disappointing when he doesn't match those expectation. I guess we can't expect 19 and 15 all the time.

Monta had an up and down game. He had a couple costly turnovers early on and got shy when he had a breakaway layup with just Jermaine O'neal guarding the rim. What happened to the "Ellis to the RIM!" guy from before? I thought he should have tried to hammer it down on Jermaine. If he gets blocked, he gets blocked, but he could have drawn a foul. Instead he double clutched and spun forcing him to miss the shot. He did score 27 on 10-15 shooting, so I can't complain. He's still amazing and is the most fun Warrior to watch.

And then there was Dunleavy. He put together another very good game tonight. He hit a big three in the 4th and was able to post up the smaller guards and score over them. He's really hustling and busting his ass out there more and more. He's not perfect and he made some mistakes tonight, but he's quickly becoming a valuable contributor to the team. Despite just the two assists, what I liked from him tonight was his passing to cutters that either led to buckets or contributed to some good ball movement. But he'll be remembered for his poor pass on the inbounds of the final possession. He tried to get the ball to Baron, but wound up missing him wide right and it deflected off of Baron out of bounds. Turnover. Game over. The Warriors never did get a final shot.

Ugh. It's just one loss, but a painful one. It reminds me of the game last year when Houston came to town and Luther Head knocks down a game tying 3 to send the game to overtime. The Warriors season went spiraling downward from there. But fear not because Don Nelson is in town and will not let that happen this season.

The Bucks come to town on Saturday. Let's get Nellie win number 1200.

Warrior Wonder: This one is tough, but I have to give it to Baron for his near triple-double tonight, 24-9-9. Despite the foolish slap of the ball at the end, he kept the team in the game.  

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Baron
13 votes
Biedrins
5 votes
Dunleavy
8 votes
Monta
7 votes
Murphy
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Pietrus
2 votes

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baron
you cant really blame him, he just wanted to hit it away so that a pacer couldlnt just throw it bak in from that close, unfortunately it went to a pacer.  And of course that goaltend (to me) is what caused us to lose that was total BS. NO doubt.  Plus the Warriors, honselty didnt play their best game otherwise we'd of won by double digits IMO.

by djchuckdeez on Nov 30, 2006 12:50 AM PST reply actions  

One word
Depressed
I love 2 tell tha truth, but I'm such a Good Liar

by JRichIsStillAGodButBiedrinsIsABeast on Nov 30, 2006 1:29 AM PST reply actions  

Dun Jr.
What I don't get when I watch Dunleavy is the way he seems to hurry whenever he posts someone up.  Why doesn't he take his time when a smaller defender is on him?

by triplehack on Nov 30, 2006 1:30 AM PST reply actions  

dun jr.
i think he takes his time.  otherwise.. how did he make all those shots over smaller defenders?

by thewarriorsrule on Nov 30, 2006 2:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Dunleavy in-bounds
I'll start by saying Dun's been playing great, so i'm not trying to be nit-picky here.  I'm just not understanding why he's always the one to throw the ball in.  How many games have we seen him as the in-bounder and he's had to call a time-out?  Maybe the pressure of getting booed all the time makes him nervous about messing up the inbounds, but i feel like he's the W that has the most trouble getting the ball in.

Anyways, i was at the game and while the 4-point swing from the no call goaltend hurt, it's definitely not why we lost.  Fantasy Junkie is right on, the D was not good.  I'm really not sure why this team always gets up for teams like SA and Phoenix and then relaxes against teams who are inferior or on the same level.  This should've been a blow out.  Plus, for whatever reason, Indy just owns us in recent seasons.  Last year they were all banged up and somehow we let inconsistent Jack go off and just kill us.

We really needed this one tonight, esp with the road-heavy December sked.  I just hope this loss doesn't come back to haunt us.

by dirrty on Nov 30, 2006 1:30 AM PST reply actions  

Too soon
Iknew it was too soon for me to start feeling confident going late into a close game.

Screw me.

by Tognotti on Nov 30, 2006 1:48 AM PST up reply actions  

blow-out
i don't think we should have blown them out, but i definitely think we should have won.  there were so many times where we could have built our lead to a bigger lead, but we kept letting the pacers get back into it.  that's our fault.

by thewarriorsrule on Nov 30, 2006 2:14 AM PST up reply actions  

In-bounding
Clearly Mike is our inbounder because 1) He's tall and 2) He's our best passer (outside of Baron who would never be stuck in bounding).

Almost every team will put a strong passing SF/PF as their inbounder.

But you're right, Mike hasn't necessarily been Grant Hill (NCAA championship) for us.  He's still probably our best option though.  Who else would inbound?

BD-need him on the court
J-Rich-ditto
Monta-ditto
MP2-ha! I'm not trusting that man with a prime TO opportunity
Biedrins-no
Murph-...maybe, but probably not
Barnes-could work, but I still think Mikes a better option

Anywhoo.....that loss stings....I'm gonna go drown my sorrows

GO 76ers!!! Don't GO T-Wolves, and Nets!!!

by jgodoski on Nov 30, 2006 8:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Foyle
He has awesome hands.

by Zorgon on Nov 30, 2006 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

hey fantasy junkie
the reason why the warriors had less free throws - fast break points

by thewarriorsrule on Nov 30, 2006 2:12 AM PST reply actions  

biedrins
biedrins was also ineffective b/c he was playing against j o'neal and foster

by thewarriorsrule on Nov 30, 2006 2:22 AM PST up reply actions  

ellis
even though ellis had a nice box score, when i watch the game, i keep seeing him turnover the ball - especially at the worst moments.  it just makes me want to pull my hair out.  but i guess that's something he can get better at as he gets older.  he really needs to improve his assist to turnover ratio.

by thewarriorsrule on Nov 30, 2006 2:24 AM PST up reply actions  

re: hey fantasy junkie
Naw, more fast break points is not the only reason for the disparity in free throws. The Warriors had more fast break points, but that doesn't account for the Pacers getting 26 free throws to the Warriors 12. There were at least a few times the refs should have called a foul on a shot but didn't.

by Fantasy Junkie on Nov 30, 2006 7:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Bah
I basically have slept the past 12 hours and totally missed the game :/. Sounds gay, though.

FOYLE A SEASON HIGH 6 POINTS?!?!?! 5 REBOUNDS!!?!?!? 1 BLOCK!?!?!? MORE MINUTES THEN JRICH?!?!?! 1 POWERFORWARD?!?!?

Better averages than last year! Man I can't BELIEVE I missed this game. Sounds like he should get special consideration for secondary Warrior Wonder.

Nice comeback from injury for Baron, good game for Dunleavy too.

And Hash.....I think you should see a doctor about your hand....

by Zorgon on Nov 30, 2006 4:04 AM PST reply actions  

incognito
What's the reason that you guys try to conceal your true faces?  GSoM is such a big hit i thought y'all would be proud to let your GS brethren know your identities.  

by ssmokinjoe on Nov 30, 2006 4:34 AM PST reply actions  

too much fame...
i have to say, people always ask me for autographs and want to take pictures with me. then theres the paparazzis... whew.. jk..

by dj fuzzylogic on Nov 30, 2006 6:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Lol
I'll never understand that either. If they publicly hand out business cards, you'd think that all the people on this site from the bay area would meet them sooner or later....

Sadly, I always think of them as basketballheads.

by Zorgon on Nov 30, 2006 7:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Warrior wonder
Is definately Monta.  Baron has a nice stat line but I saw him taking contested shots far too often.  Look at Monta's percentage.  Turnovers aside, this guy ruled the court.  Plus no mention of five blocked shots?  He played both sides.

My biggest nausea factor is this team looked like last year.  They played to the competition and I saw a few guys taking the night off.  (Murphy, as usual, Barnes, and Pietrus.)  Beidrins took a step backwards into "minute-man" world.  You tell me if I'm wrong, but I'll argue the team needs him to show up more than anyone else.

by RonG on Nov 30, 2006 7:55 AM PST reply actions  

I was there...
and as soon as the ball got tipped out, I knew what was going to happen.  I think I screamed "nooo" in horror, having flashbacks of that awful 3 pointer Robert Horry hit a few years ago against the Kings in the playoffs.  [chills]

by gsdubz on Nov 30, 2006 7:57 AM PST reply actions  

I'm depressed ... I want to take a sick day!
How did we fold like that? I keep replaying that last rebound/tip we made in the end which landed in the hands of the Jackson. Talk about a heart breaker.

by YaoButtaMing on Nov 30, 2006 7:59 AM PST reply actions  

These are the kind of passionate fans...
That I've been looking for basically my whole life.  I keep reading about how depressing this game was... AND IT WAS!  I guess I'm used to everyone around me saying "Oh... I'm not surprised" or "It's just a game" but man... I guess only TRUE Warrior fans know.  Gotta move on to the next game though.  I've done my share of complaining on the pre-game thread.  They just gotta scramble around the perimeter next game and stick either Pietrus or Barnes (preferably Piety) on Redd and we should be fine.  Bogut isn't that scary and they're still w/o Villanueva. This game should be an easy win.  Look on the bright side guys... the SHIRTS are coming...  
On a completely off topic side note:
I think our new motto should be "Only one son, only one more."  Sorry... starting to quote Baumr... but that quote from the Adonal Foylegland story was just classic.  

by mightymadskillz on Nov 30, 2006 8:44 AM PST reply actions  

Last year's Warriors
I'm surprised no one's yet mentioned another victim of regression: BD.  Baron's awful, fadeaway jumper with the W's up 106-105 and time left on the shot clock was exactly what he would have done last year.  He just settled for the jumper, when he should've taken it inside or passed it around for a better look.  That shot, and the lack of anyone inside ready for an offensive rebound, led directly to the Pacers quickly running back the other way for their winning possession.  Come on, BD, you're too good to settle for that kind of crappy shot!

One more thing; I'm beginning to think that MP2 just doesn't have the grasp of the game he needs to be a consistent contributor.  Starting the play before Dun even had the ball on the last possession of the game, thereby giving the Pacers a free look at what you're going to do?  You're  not a rookie any more.  This isn't horse; figure out how to play basketball.  It's not just 3's and dunks.

by JBCarroll on Nov 30, 2006 8:55 AM PST reply actions  

Truth
I was thinking the same exact thing when Pietrus ran the inbounds play before the ref handed MDJ the ball.  I think my exact quote was "Great.  Way to show them the play."

by LancerEvoV on Nov 30, 2006 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Quickies
Man, that was a tough loss. These are the games you HAVE to win if you're going to be playing past mid-April.
  • Props to Boom Dizzle. He looked he was in a LOT of pain at one point in the game. For the most part he played an excellent game. I didn't realize he was doing such a great job on the glass till I got home and checked the box score. He can get better looks than those fadeaways at the end though. I didn't mind him swatting the ball out to the perimeter at the end of the game. He was just about 1 second off. It really felt like Horry against the Lakers- it sucked the life out of the arena when Harrington drained that 3.
  • Pietrus had a nice first half, but not so great 2nd half. From years past it always seems to take him a while to recover from injuries. I think he'll come out stronger next time. Overall his defense was very nice. He got robbed of another block with a terrible foul call, so he essentially had 4 swats. MP2 has really stepped up in that area this season.
  • Isn't it strange how Murphy is contributing?- 25min, 2 points, 7 rebounds, 6 assists, 3 blocks
  • Dunleavy had a nice shooting night. There were a few defensive lapses (he got away with a nice flop too), but overall his defense was fine. It's too bad he threw that lazy pass to end the game. That was pretty unclutch. I understand why Nellie elected for Dunleavy to in bound the ball since he's tall and can see over defenders, but I just don't think Dun has the mental focus to be relied upon so heavily at the end of games.
  • Monta had a nice game that would have been great if he could've cut down on those turnovers. Still, he was a force out there: 27 points, 5 boards, 5 dimes, 2 blocks, 1 pick
  • Injuries mounting up. Boom Deazy and LL Cool P finally get back to action, but then JRich goes out. Ike's still out with a strained left ankle. Nice job by Nellie though to work around all these injuries.
  • I didn't mind the Warriors letting Jamaal Tinsley take those perimeter shots, since he's historically a low percentage shooter, but I DID mind the Warriors letting Al Harrington go off for 6 treys plus several other perimeter two's. No wonder Mullin tried so hard to get him in the off season.
  • Milk carton: Andris Biedrins. He's still young, so there's going to be a inconsistency, but the silly fouls were costly.
  • Jermaine O'Neal was really hurting the Warriors. They didn't have much of an answer for him.
  • For some reason Stephen Jackson always plays well against the Warriors. He's got the height + strength + athleticism that gives the Warriors a lot of trouble. Check out the damage he did: 13 points, 5 boards, 5 assists, 3 steals, 2 blocks. Ouch.
  • I wonder why Barnes only played 18 minutes. They could've used his toughness on D.

by Atma Brother ONE on Nov 30, 2006 8:57 AM PST reply actions  

Correction
Stephen Jackson was the sniper on that last trey.

(sorry for the bad analogy)

by Atma Brother ONE on Nov 30, 2006 9:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Tough loss, indeed
Just a few observations:
  • The W's just didn't seem to have it last night; low energy, especially in the first half when they could have blown the Pacers out.  They just didn't get any uptempo game going until Monta started feeling it.  Remember, the Pacers were playing their fourth game in five nights, so it really behooved our guys to be running hard from the get-go.  They didn't, allowing Indiana to stay in the game.
  • The Pacers match up really well with our guys.  O'Neal, in particular, had a field day with AB (who learned some valuable lessons tonight, I hope, from his more experienced counterpart).  I was a bit disappointed we didn't see more of Barnes in the second half, since I thought he might match up pretty well with Harrington.
  • While I think BD has turned the corner -- and he played very well last night, in his first game back, for the most part -- he TOTALLY regressed to old form in the last two minutes.  In the W's penultimate possession, he pounded the ball forever off the left block before -- as time was running out -- lobbing it all the way across to an unready MP, who didn't even have time to get off a shot.  (This "clock-burning" tactic simply stops the team cold in its half court offense.)  Worse, on the last possession, with the guys knowing they had to score, there's BD pounding the ball again at the top of the key; no motion, as it's painfully obvious BD is going to end up shooting, and then that weak semi-drive followed by an even poorer shot.  In both circumstances BD should have been moving and passing the ball around early.  (I wish Nellie had given the ball to Monta those last two possessions -- if BD wasn't going to find him -- because if he couldn't find his own drive he would have kicked out for a good, open shot.  At crunch time, a moving Davis is much better without the ball -- so he can catch and shoot or quick pass to someone else.)  This is exactly the kind of play that killed the team at the end of games so many times last year.  BD has done so well with the rest of his game under Nellie, it's hard to figure why he still has this unfortunate "need" to become a one-man team at crunch time, especially when he's got a talent like Monta who can get to the basket.  (BTW, I don't at all blame BD for that last tip that went to Jackson for the Pacer's winner; stuff happens, and if he'd been able to be just a bit more forceful he might have gotten it over Jackson to let the clock expire.)
  • As for Dun, let me just suggest readers take a look at Tim K's blog piece on him today.  Suffice it to say, he's finding his role on the team -- and we're going to be seeing him in the game regularly during crunch time, when his talents are needed most.  (True, his last second inbounds pass was not a thing of beauty -- and you could see him immediately after tell BD he'd misread BD's motion -- but (1) he's still the W's best inbounder, by far, and (2) that play didn't cost them the game.)
  • Finally, the JRich watch continues, and I continue to fret that he's just not coming around as he should.  I wouldn't be surprised if that knee needs more work, though I sure hope not, because then he's pretty much done -- for the year, at least.  Let's think positive thoughts; he deserves it.

by johnl on Nov 30, 2006 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Disagree with you both on Baron's tip
Look at the clock when Stephen Jackson is shooting the game winning 3, 2.2 seconds left. That means when Baron tipped the ball there were probably 3.5-4 seconds to go. That's a lot of time for the ball to be bouncing around even if it didn't go directly to Stephen Jackson. That's enough time for a pass or a couple dribbles. Hell Stephen Jackson could have caught the ball, pump faked Monta, dribbled and shot, and he STILL would have had enough time to get the shot off.

Sorry, but you just don't randomly hit balls out of the key with plenty of time left especially when you are able to grab the rebound. I'd rather him fight for the rebound when the Warriors outnumber the Pacers in the paint. Again, look at the picture, 3 Warriors in the paint vs 2 Pacers. He's paid to make the right decisions, this was not one of them.

by Fantasy Junkie on Nov 30, 2006 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

About Your 3rd Point
That was blatantly obvious Nellie wanted Baron to handle the ball exactly like he did over the last few possessions.

Baron did this in almost every close games the Warriors have played this season so I refused to believe that Baron ignored Nellie's directions - That would have got him benched long-time ago.

So what was the difference last night? The OTHER Warriors failed to move with decisiveness while Baron was hogging the ball. That was in part due to Indiana's length defensively so they could really disrupt the ball-flow without getting close to their men, and also was due to the fact that the Warriors just didn't come out with the same type of energy we have seen in the previous 2 games.

They all resorted to the kind of ugly, one-on-one basketball the Warriors exhibited over the last few years. I won't say they deserved the lost but it was close.

by MightyReds2020 on Nov 30, 2006 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Very good point
Just in general near the end of games the movement without the ball is very poor. I just don't get it. It's like they move well for 44 minutes and in the last couple they forget the game plan and their strength.

I think this will improve as the season progresses. If not, say hello to a lot of 2 or 3 point losses.

by Atma Brother ONE on Nov 30, 2006 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

two quick points
As to BD's tip, if he had benn able to get it over Jackson, one of two things would likely have happened: first, the ball rolls nearly 94 feet and goes out the other end as time expires; second, Jackson hustles back and gets the ball around mid-court and fires it up from there.  In neither case is it a catch-and-shoot open three.

As to ball movement at the end of the game, I still don't see how you don't want to get Monta involved.  The other team knows he'll try to drive, and there'll likely be a double team, leaving an open guy.  Movement is forced by the situation.  BD at the top of the key, pounding for 20 seconds, is almost certain death.  When you're a point up and the other team is guaranteed to get the ball back with plenty of time, you need to score, not atrophy.

by johnl on Nov 30, 2006 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

JR
low minutes last night was do to the sprained ankle during the Spurs win. I think he'll be just fine on Saturday.

by Psion on Nov 30, 2006 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

That was the first report, but
Two reports this morning were that it was his knee.  I hope I'm wrong on this, but I fear I'm not.  And if it's the knee at this point, it's a problem.

by johnl on Nov 30, 2006 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Um....NO FOYLE MENTION
best game of season! Hello?

Also, wtf is up with Murphy? He really needs to either learn to play with the mask or take it off.

by Zorgon on Nov 30, 2006 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

The no call and the swat
  Didn't lose the game, lazy play is what did us in.    Dun could have jst dunked it to avoid the no call and Baron might have swatted it a few feet to either side and the game would have been over.  But we should have been far enough ahead to not have to worry about these things. What happened to our defense and ball movement? Why didn't nellie do anything to correct it? How can we play so well against the Jazz and Spurs then go flat? These are the things that need fixin,not the refs or second guessing Duns inbounds pass, everyone is not perfect all the time, we need to keep the pressure on all game so we have a cushion to work with when needed.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 30, 2006 9:50 AM PST reply actions  

end of the first half
seeing what was basically last years' marshmallow squad get carved up at the end of the first half was disheartening.  i got my wish seeing the young guys come out to start the 2nd half and things were looking good.

that was a really tough loss.  b'dris may be fearless but his youth and lack of mass really started to show against the thugtastic pacers. i guess that's why we saw foyle, that and fouls.  foyle got busy but like i said in the above paragraph the interior defense got all gooey and stay puff with the old boys on the court, yeesh.  andris is the key to our strong d the last few games and i think he was just getting bodied hard all game, they all were.  i saw monta catch a forearm from o'neal (i think) cutting through the lane and wanted to call child protective services, that big bad man just smacked our golden child.    

by redape on Nov 30, 2006 10:22 AM PST reply actions  

Warrior injuries
I really think we need to sit J-Rich and Boom Dizzle for a week or two, for them to get healthy.

We have a sweet team. I predict (if we get past the injury-bug) a lot of post-January GSW victories!

" Sleepy Floyd is Superman!!!"

by CoachBarry on Nov 30, 2006 11:26 AM PST reply actions  

Heartbreaking Loss but...
The Warriors played very well against a tough, top team.  The Pacers are not the Raptors or Knicks.  They know how to play their game and try and make you play their style.  For the most part, the Warriors actually made the Pacers keep up with them.

I'm not going to knock Baron, yeah he missed the last shot but he had just made the prior 2 buckets.  2/3 is pretty good in the last 2 mins.

Dunleavy's pass to Baron missed and game over, but remember, there's only 1 sec left.  He tried a risky pass because of the little time left.

Baron simply should have grabbed the rebound, not hit it out randomly.  The replay showed he had good weakside position without anyone next to him when the shot went up.

Nothing better than "The City".

by philsmith75 on Nov 30, 2006 12:00 PM PST reply actions  

BD v. J O'Neal on the back tip
Yes, Davis did have good position, but he was not alone; O'Neal also went up for the board, and with BD giving up 6-7 inches, he wasn't going to get more than one hand on the ball.  Besides, it's not as if he knew, in the heat of the moment, that a sharpshooter was standing right where the spike was headed.

I have to apologize to the Dubs for my earlier rips on Davis and Pietrus.  Yes, it was a tough loss.  But heck, there's a lot more ball to be played, and let's be honest: last year's team is very likely nowhere near the Pacers at the end of the game.  They've come a long way, and will continue to improve.

I'll say this, though.  It's gonna be really tough to make the top 8 in the West this year.  This conference is downright scary!

by JBCarroll on Nov 30, 2006 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

sunsgossip's pic
i didn't know hiro nakamura wrote for golden state of mind.

by afroninja on Nov 30, 2006 12:22 PM PST reply actions  

Guys, calm down
It was definitely a heart-breaking loss. But I wonder if people would be complaining so much about our end-game offense, our perimeter defense, our lack of energy, etc. if Jackson had simply missed that 3pointer. Or if Al had missed his 3 and we rebounded and hit free throws to make it a 6 point game with 30 sec to go. They had to make 2 clutch 3's in the last 40 sec, which they did (Nellie says the Force must've been with them).
Our end-game offense was completely standard for the NBA. When you want to waste as much time as possible but still have a decent chance at making the basket, you let your star dribble until there's around 5 seconds left in the shot clock, and then have him do some one-on-one move. Nellie would do this with Dirk when he was with the Mavs, and every team in the NBA does this with their superstar when their protecting a lead. If guys cut, then their defender might have a chance to disrupt the one-on-one opportunity. Davis had made a tougher shot the possession before, I'm completely okay with the last shot. Davis is playing out of his mind right now, he's really hustling on defense and rebounding and you can tell he's in great shape. Davis tipped the ball on the last play because he was battling for the rebound with Jermaine O'Neal, and he felt like if he tried to grab it Jermaine might take the ball and have a layup. It's easier to tip the ball than to grab it, if y'all play you know what I mean. It was just unfortunate that the tip didn't go to a Warrior and that Jackson knocked down the shot.
The goal-tending non-call was one of the worst refereeing mistakes I've ever seen, and I've watched almost every Warriors game since 95. However, the refs did give us the make-up call when Dun got the charge, and we scored the possession when Dun should've went to the line.
The perimeter D may have been bad in the sense that the Pacers had alot of open 3s, but alot of that's a result of the style of D Nellie chooses to play. Whenever the ball goes inside the team collapses to the paint and goes for steals, and we're willing to give up the open 3 since the long rebounds help us start our fast break.
It was a tough loss, but we easily could've won the game, and overall I like the way we played.

by gsw4life on Nov 30, 2006 1:54 PM PST reply actions  

Baron put up 25 shots,
and late in the game it looked to me like the old Warriors with either Baron or
Richardson taking the ball, dribbling and juking for one shot, everyone else standing around waiting.  It never works that way.  I want Monta moving and going to the hoop in that situation.
And please, will someone tell Pietrus he is not a 3 pt. shooter, another 2 for 7 night, wasted opportunities, I would much rather have Barnes shooting 7 3's.

by wushi on Nov 30, 2006 2:02 PM PST reply actions  

my thoughts on the game and more
i thought we played pretty good.  i agree about the refs.  when i play basketball i hardly ever walk away from a game complaining about the refs becuz i don't makes excuses like that.  the refs i dont think made a ton of blatant horrible calls except for the goaltending one, but most of the game it just seemed like the pacers were getting more ya know.  Mike dunleavy was playing like an average basketball player in the beginning of the season and  the mike dunleavy lovers were jumping out of the seats.  i was happy that he wasn't sucking but i wasn't too impressed.  but recently especially last night, ive been really impressed with dunleavy and ill admit ive done my share of hatin on that boy but i gotta give him his propz.  JRich, damn another set back.  it sucks to watch him go through this shit i always hate injuries and it pains me to see my man go through this and it pains me to see him play like a mediocre player.  Glad to have baron back, again.  i hope he stays healthy, again.  He is so good and so raw with his crossovers and dimes and he is there best player by far (except a healthy jrich is up there with him)  and we need him cuz he makes this team go.  i could tell he was rusty missin some shots but he made sum great ones.  i just wish he didnt take that fadeaway at the end when we needed a bucket.  Monta has been turnin it over a little too much the last few games but i still love the dude.  andris has been their MVP hes played so great.  Pietrus is playing great this year.  I want Ike to come back soon.  barnes, playin great.  Im pretty satisfied with mcloud hes a nice player.  roberson can shoot the lights out when he plays.  foyle actually played pretty nice last night.  (congratulations Zorgon)  god damn al harrington is good! now i wish we could have pulled off a trade for him he was strokin.  that last shot killed me as well.  I was pissed i thought we could have played better too.  Overall im happy with this season and still excited for more games to come.  THANK YOU DON NELSON!  the difference between this years team and last years team is a motivated baron, monta is getting a chance, andris is being coached better, and pietrus is being told how to play and we have a GREAT COACH and all of those are because of our great coach.  I know i went on forever.  i hope people read this .  hahaha. peace.  

WARRIORS!

by travisl212 on Nov 30, 2006 2:34 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah
Who knows how to pick players!? I do!

by Zorgon on Nov 30, 2006 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Harrington: overpaid with padded stats
Harrington had a great game, but the game against the Warriors included, he's still way in negative +- space for the season.  Since he seems to be in negative +- space more or less every season, since he didn't seem to make the Hawks better and may have made them worse, and since Indy seems to be about what they were last year with him, whatever personal stats he gets should be heavily discounted.  More often than not he's not helping his team to any real degree.  He is only an average rebounder at either PF or SF, can't seem to pass the ball to anyone else if his life depended on it and is seeing his FG% creep up to average for a PF (where he's played most of this year) only through some rather unprecedented outside shooting on his part.

Putting a whole lot of stock in one game against the Warriors isn't warranted. It's what the Giants did when they signed Mark Portugal several years ago. Harrington's a very average player getting well above average money.  17 ppg doesn't look as good when it takes 15 shots to get those points paired with an almost pathological inability to get an assist. He'll play well at times, but he's got heavily padded stats that don't hold up to much scrutiny beyond the real superficial line.  We've got several of those already.

by jae on Dec 1, 2006 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

i agree
the whole offseason i was asking myself "when did al harrington all of a sudden become an elite player?" he showed he's a good shooter which we can use, but other than that i didn't see much from him that would make him worth the money he's being payed

by AJC3317 on Dec 1, 2006 5:57 PM PST up reply actions  

haha
Finding a light side in this...
I love how it Jackson's game winner, the scoreboard says 2.4 seconds, while the basket clock says 2.2.  I thought those things were synced....

by bradyk2 on Nov 30, 2006 5:45 PM PST reply actions  

Ooooh great point!
Haha, that basket shouldn't have counted.

We should notify Mr. Stern of this inaccuracy immediately.

by Atma Brother ONE on Nov 30, 2006 6:15 PM PST up reply actions  

thoughts
i blame baron more for his last shot than his tip rebound. i dobut he could have tipped it to himself with jermaine o'neal right there. on his last shot there was dunleavy wide open who had just knocked down 2 big threes earlier in the fourth. i still say he should have kicked it. other than that, the warriors really showed how the boxscore can lie. the numbers show that they were the better team, but watching that game showed that the pacers were just a step ahead for most of the night. the officials were horrible we all know that, and mp looked like the mp of old (and that's not a good thing).

by AJC3317 on Nov 30, 2006 6:12 PM PST reply actions  

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