Dissleavy
When the Warriors selected Mike Dunleavy with the #3 overall pick back in 2002, I thought the organization made another stupid, costly mistake. (For the record I wanted them to take Bay Area product Drew Gooden who's currently averaging an insane 16.3ppg and 12.5rbp- man, we could really use those boards!). Throughout the first few years of his career despite all the local hype ("he's so smart", "he's such a great shooter", "he makes his teammates better", "he has such a great all-around game", etc), I thought Dunleavy was a B-U-S-T. I was never impressed with his on court performance and demeanor. He seemed to be the most overvalued player by the fans, local media, and the Warriors organization- by far. I never understood why Dunleavy got so much praise, while guys like Jason Richardson and Troy Murphy who improved their games tenfold since their rookie seasons didn't get as much hype.
Before the 2005-2006 season Dunleavy was about to be a restricted free agent. I thought that finally the organization could end the failed Dunleavy experiment by either letting him walk at the end of the season or trading him mid-season. The Warriors had to see that Dunleavy just wasn't a starter in this league and they needed to draft or sign a real starting NBA small forward. It seemed perfectly clear that Dunleavy wasn't an impact player in this league.
But in line with the foolish contracts that were handed out to Adonal Foyle, Derek Fisher, and Troy Murphy, the Warriors inked Dunleavy to star money with a 5 year 44 million dollar extension. The extension drove me nuts at the time:
- Why did the Warriors just reward a player who had been inconsistent and mediocre at best during his first 3 years in the league with such big money?
- If the Warriors were really intent on keeping him with the team, couldn't they just wait till the end of the season, see how he performed, and then give him an extension based on what his market value was?
- How could the Warriors be so stupid to think that Mike Dunleavy, Troy Murphy, and Adonal Foyle were an acceptable starting frontcourt in the NBA?
- Why were the Warriors so keen on locking up a "core" that had never proved that they were a contender or let alone a playoff team?
Most of you of course know what immediately followed that ridiculous contract extension. Fantasy Junkie and I decided to laugh about it- 44 times: Part I | Part II | Part III | Part IV
After one of the toughest seasons being a Warriors fan in which the organization showed a stubborn insistence to play Dunleavy 30 minutes a game despite his unwatchable poor play, a failed Dunleavy as a Point Forward experiment, a failed Dunleavy Point Guard experiment, and an all around acceptance that the Warriors goofed big time handing him that insane contract extension, Warriors Nation and even the national hoops media are dissing Mike Dunleavy like no other:
- another honor for jr. dunleavy diary by mike D
- Skip to My IQ- The Mike Dunleavy Jr. Hater Blog
- The Warriors’ 1-2 start: Exposing Dunleavy and Murphy & Nelson dumps the Dunleavy-Murphy tandem and (maybe) saves the Warriors by Tim Kawakami (more so about the Dunleavy + Murphy disaster as a tandem, but still a great read)
- The Return of Li'l Dun's Facials by Lang Whitaker for Slam
- any message board on the web about the Warriors
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I've always tried to have a good sense of humor about the Warriors (it's just for fun, there's bigger problems in this messed up world we live in, etc), but Dunleavy's poor play, outrageous contract, unwarranted hype, and even curious team captain status just aren't funny anymore- they're sad. As a longtime Warriors fan the jokes can only keep you going for so long. Funleavy Foto Fun and the absurd praise some of Dunleavy's few remaining supporters insist on giving him, while still entertaining, just don't do it for me like they used to. It's been too long. I'm sure the jokes will continue, but all jokes aside I'd like to see one of four things happen with a strong preference for the unlikely #3 and #4: |
- Mike Dunleavy at the age of 26 finally steps up and becomes the player all his longtime supporters have always hyped him up to be.
- Coach Don Nelson banishes Mike Dunleavy from the starting lineup and never plays him more than 10 minutes a game purely to rest the starters
- The front office owes up to their foolish past mistakes and trades him the instant some GM is desperate enough to deal for him
- The Warriors negotiate a contract buyout with Mike Dunleavy and his super-agent
Mike Dunleavy is now in his 5th season with the Warriors. Through 5 games his play on a minute-by-minute basis is at an all time low : 8.2ppg (39.4% FG and 68.8% FT), 3.0 rpg, 1.8 apg : 1.6 turnovers, 0.6 spg, and 0.6 bpg. Dunleavy has historically gotten off to slow starts, but with his team captain title, veteran status on this young team, hype and confidence from Don Nelson in the offseason, and his statement that former Warrior coaches Eric Musselman and Mike Montgomery used him improperly, things were supposed to be different. It just doesn't add up. What gives?
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Dunleavy...
by mightymadskillz on Nov 9, 2006 11:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Dunleavy Skills
Shooting: horrible. Once every 10-11 games he gets hot. Most of the time when he throws up a shot, us fans know the results in advance.
Rebounding: not good. Can't get a board in traffic. The only rebounds he gets are balls that bounce long.
Passing: OK. definitely overrated. Once in awhile he makes a nice pass. mostly just throws it around the perimeter. His assist numbers tell the story.
1-1 moves: Nonexistent. Can't take anybody off the dribble. I've seen plenty of opportunities for him to take his man. He instead chooses to throw to someone else and let them do the work.
I expect his playing time to keep shrinking as the season goes on. Nellie will only go with players that are producing.
by GoNellieGo on Nov 9, 2006 12:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It makes sense to me
Of course, the shower of millions has resulted in uninspired and/or stagnant play, with the exception of Jason Richardson. In hindsight, of course it is obvious that players should never be paid for potential! Consider the lesson learned; we havn't locked up Petrius... yet.
As Atma Brother ONE eloquently states, it appears Dunleavy has been given far too much credit. However, I believe this to be a front for a savvy strategy to clarify the reality of his abilities. While the Warriors have done everything possible to help Dunleavy succeed, I'd argue they are not counting on it. Yes, he was made a captain and point, but after benching him a few games in, it seems this was a token show of faith to keep his confidence up and rule out misplaying him all these years. I don't think it is coincidence that there are multiple people to run the point or play forward when he is benched.
Don Nelson is famous for creative and brilliant trades. If Petrius or Diogu can't prove their ability to be star forwards, I'm guessing we'll get one.
by RonG on Nov 9, 2006 1:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Science?
by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 9, 2006 1:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
dude
by djchuckdeez on Nov 9, 2006 1:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Great f***ing diary, Atma Bro
by Sleepy Freud on Nov 9, 2006 1:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The fact that...
I'll let ya'll have your "fun" destroying one of our own players. That's cool.
I'm just waitin' for some John L firepower.
by jgodoski on Nov 9, 2006 2:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Just so there's so confusion
by Atma Brother ONE on Nov 9, 2006 2:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Not all are Dun "haters"
In all fairness if we rip on Dunleavy because of his contract, we must also hate on Foyle (sorry Zorgon =P)
by YaoButtaMing on Nov 9, 2006 2:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He sucks
by JRichIsStillAGodButBiedrinsIsABeast on Nov 9, 2006 2:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
i maintain hope he won't suck
in terms of the guy it's nothing against him, he's just not what he was hyped to be, not what he's paid to be. unfortunately, in the age of the salary cap, an unproductive fool like that is like a chain around our collective, warrior-loving necks.
so we don't hate dunleavy, per se. we just everything he represents.
by OaktownWarrior on Nov 9, 2006 3:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just Plug Your Nose, And Hope......
He's too slow, on offense and defense.
He can't shoot....not even in streaks!
The dude's a tweener in the classic sense: Any 3 worth a shit will blow past him, and nearly every 4 in the league will treat him like , well, we've all seen the "Foto Fun."
All that being said, I will NOT boo a player on my own team. That's just bush. It serves no purpose. If it makes you feel better, well I'm sorry.
So my advice is to just hope against hope that we can find a way to get SOMETHING out of this guy, 'cause my gut tells me, we're stuck with him.
Thank God Nellie realized that MDJ and Murph on the court together was basically B-ball suicide. Monte never figured that one out!
I'm going to the game tonight to witness a victory and pay too much for my beer.
by Sleepy71 on Nov 9, 2006 3:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Can't blame Dun
But you can't blame Dunleavy for accepting a $44 million dollar contract. You can't blame him for being paid like a star even if he's not one. Management is the only place anybody can point fingers. It's not Dun's fault he was drafted as the 3rd overall pick. It's not his fault he's paid like a starter. It's not his fault coaches played him 30 minutes a game. If Dunleavy was making $5 mil a year and coming off the bench, nobody would have any problems with him. But management put him in this position where everybody expects him to be a starter and put up big numbers.
by LancerEvoV on Nov 9, 2006 3:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'll blame management, but also...
by yuletak on Nov 9, 2006 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll blame management, but also...
At least we agree that Evo's rock. ; )
by yuletak on Nov 9, 2006 4:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well stated
i think the "potential" is long gone. Most players @ the age of 22 are considered to "old" to possibly have any more upside. Consider the relationship between age and the discourse on 'potential' and 'upside' and how seniors in college have supposedly peaked; the sudden realization that Monta is 21 and was an older high schooler means that his development is stunted; and Espn.com assessment of his potential as unlimited if he's 19, but considered over @ 21. Surprisingly, Dun apparently has unlimited (and latent) potential that just needs to be tapped by the right coach. Not to make it racial, but it seems more than coincidental that this unlimited potential doesn't apply to most players of color.
Something funny that someone posted a few days ago was how Dun's strength now is how he is able to come off the bench to relieve the starters! Is that how bad it has really gotten that we continue to laud Dun for things that we should expect from any player on any team?
True, its not Dun's fault for getting that contract. Perhaps continually dissin' on Dunleavy isn't productive for moral; yet it seems that there are continual reasons to diss on him considering how the hype around Dunleavy regenerates and we are ultimately let down over and over again. Moreover, Dun directly contributes to the hype with unlimited excuses as to why he doesn't succeed in every system he's been in!
by dj fuzzylogic on Nov 9, 2006 4:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
well
by straightfromthebay on Nov 9, 2006 4:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wow
by Zorgon on Nov 9, 2006 4:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Haha
by Atma Brother ONE on Nov 9, 2006 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OK, kids, school's in . . .
Think about it. Dunleavy is, indeed, off to a terrible start. Very disappointing to me. More disappointing, I'm sure, to Nellie and Mullin. Most disappointing to Dunleavy, himself. His shooting's only marginally better than last year, he's not playing as fast as he should, and his rebounding has generally been execrable. He just doesn't have an easy fit now. Conceded.
But we have only played five games. The team's still looking for an identity -- that is, apart from Atma's beloved "Let's watch cool BD pound the ball; it's just so much fun when he has the ball in his hands; who cares about anything else" -- and, if BD does come around, and learn how the game is played in the last two minutes, something he's shown he has no knowledge of recently, if JRich starts playing like he can, and if Monta and AB continue improving, we're going to have a pretty good -- and fun -- team. That didn't exist last year. At all.
Now, if that all happens, Dunleavy has a chance to do what I think he's best suited for, in a way that will help the team: he can be the sixth man, because he can do so many things, he's that versatile. He's convinced me, though, that he first needs to improve his poor rebounding, and he may be doing just that. In the N.O. game, at the end, he was the only W playing defense, getting stops and giving us a chance (even tho you young 'uns were, apparently, unable -- or maybe just unwilling -- to see that). (A few minutes before he HAD missed a three and a lay in, but no one seems to appreciate just how he held things together -- when no one else was doing jack -- in the last two minutes. And the team desperately needs people who can play when the game's on the line.
In other words, as bad as he's played this year overall -- and I agree he HAS been bad, tho not so bad as BD was in that Utah stinkeroo (anyone can have bad games) -- the guy can still be useful to this team. (Nellie didn't have to play him at the end of the N.O. game, just as Nellie didn't have to take the ball out of BD's hands, and give it to Monta, at the end. He had a good reason for doing both. Ponder that.)
So, while Dun's admittedly down now, and it's real easy -- and oh so cool -- to kick someone when their down, what purpose is really being served here, other than that childish one to be a bully -- and get some jollies at someone else's expense? What's your real point, Atma? What are you trying to accomplish here? Just trying to round up the gang of haters and get 'em all on board?
If you were really interested in seeing the W's win, you'd never slide down this slippery slope of puerility. I, for one, hated the way BD played last year -- thought he absolutely killed any chance for the team to succeed because of his oversized ego and his abject refusal to play a team game. But I recognize his tremendous talent, and am extremely happy to see him use it more constructively and play well the past two games -- at least until crunch time. And I think he's smart enough to figure that out, too.
But with you and Dunleavy, it's just an endless stream of pure vitriol, repeat showings of "hilarious" photos, etc. It's as if when he scews up, you go into Seventh Heaven -- and what's THAT all about? No, if you really were a team guy (tho you've pretty much shown that the team game isn't your preferred cuppa), you'd cut the guy some slack (five games! really) and focus on what the guy -- and more important, the team -- are doing right, because it's been a while since we've seen team play around here.
But unfortunately thats not your style. Too bad, because you'd be a lot better doing what you do if you didn't push the envelope on this Dunleavy hatred thing so much. So, as I've pleaded before,why not give it till mid-season, at least? Would that be too hard?
And try being constructive -- try permitting yourself to see and understand it when Dunleavy does do something well. You might actually find you enjoy it. Is there nothing you can allow yourself to see in Dun's game? Let it go, kid. You'll be a better guy for it.
OK, guys. Time for recess again. Back outside, and into the dirt.
by johnl on Nov 9, 2006 6:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dun's mom?
by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 9, 2006 6:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
don't ever post on this site again...
by gsdubz on Nov 9, 2006 7:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Dunleavy fans!
I think the one thing I can agree on that I'm sure we all share is that we wish Dunleavy ... and frankly the rest of the team, would play to their ability. I applaud JohnL for asking us to be more constructive and agree with him ... however how much fun would that be =P
So to keep this debate going I say "GO ON JOHNL" and every Dunleavy fan out there (echo echo). I think he'll come around, and if he doesn't then Nellie will just play him as the 6th man, making most people happy either way.
by YaoButtaMing on Nov 9, 2006 8:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Clarifications
I thought it was pretty clear from this piece and what I've written in the past that I blame the organization for the bad pick and the contract. This goes for anyone- get your dollars. I'd rather have that Dunleavy get that paper, than Cohan. It's not Dunleavy's fault he was drafted #3 and got paid 44 million, but it is his fault for not playing hard out there and improving his game.
I'm surprised you wrote that when I've written how the Warriors front office screwed up big time with Murphy, Dunleavy, Fisher, and Foyle's contracts numerous times. Even in this piece I wrote: "But in line with the foolish contracts that were handed out to Adonal Foyle, Derek Fisher, and Troy Murphy, the Warriors inked Dunleavy to star money with a 5 year 44 million dollar extension." Fisher (last season) and Murphy at least give the Warriors something productive. There's not much to write about Foyle since he doesn't play.
You're right that's exactly what I want. Thank you for telling me again what I want to see and happen.
That's one of my main points- I'm sick of hearing excuses for this guy from his fans and from this guy. It just doesn't stop. I even heard someone on the radio last night say "Dunleavy is at his best WITHOUT the ball in his hands"- WHAT? He and his fans were saying that he was great with the ball in his hands (many said over Baron too) all last season and the offseason. The guy gets endless opportunity that 99% of players in this league never get. I just don't get it.
Agreed. I liked his defensive effort at the end. I thought I even gave his due in the comments for that open thread. If I didn't it's because my eye were glued to the TV set hoping for a comeback win.
That's a fair question. No here's my points:
- Why does Dunleavy keep getting chances?
- I'm sick of watching him play poorly- I want one of the 1-4 above to happen. It used to be funny to joke around about his poor play, but it's getting old
- I'm sick of hearing excuses for his poor play
- I'm sick of him talking big
- I used to be one of the few people who were critical of his performance and attitude, but now it's becoming widespread on the net and he's getting booed at the arena like no other. It's just not funny anymore. The Warriors need to do something.
Always a good discussion though.
by Atma Brother ONE on Nov 10, 2006 9:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
equal opportunities
Anyway, what I would like to ask JohnL is why we need to continue to be patient with Dunleavy considering how long we've waited? It seems that even local beat writers like Tim Kawakami (sp?) and Marcus Thompson, once staunch supporters, are realizing that Dun just isn't and WON'T be that good. Granted, blasting Dun daily doesn't help the cause, but considering the hype machine that Dun has created around himself (more smoke and mirrors than GSoM ..haha), I seems somewhat fair to be upset.. again!
by dj fuzzylogic on Nov 9, 2006 8:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
spread the hate equally
by LancerEvoV on Nov 9, 2006 8:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair questions. . .
No, he might not be the guy we'd hoped -- but that doesn't mean he's worthless. And, just who would you put ahead of him on this team anyway? Certainly not MP, who tho improved, has no consistency. Maybe play BD-JRich-Monta -- I like that -- but you need someone who knows what he's doing coming off the bench. That is, and should be Dun's role. And, give it some time, it really could work.
Now, as to the fair question. Besides me, and the occasional quotes from Nellie, Mully and the like, I'm not sure exactly what constitutes "the Dun hype machine" -- and as this site reflects, most seem to be happy just getting their jollies at how poorly Dun has fit in thus far. So, the "hype" machine is really not an issue.
The real question -- and it's a good one -- is "why we need to continue to be patient" with him. I can only give you my answer -- but it works for me:
Dun's a Warrior, and I'm a Warrior fan. I think he wants to succeed, wants to help the team. I like that. He also knows what he should do, even if his performance doesn't always reflect it. (As T.S. Eliot wrote: "Between the idea and the reality, falls the shadow." True in many ways for all of us.)
But as weak as he's been, he does do things on this team no one else does. First, he uses his smarts and his pretty quick hands to play defense when it's needed most -- at the end of the game. (I suspect before too long, if AB learns to hit free throws and continues to improve his footwork and avoid the reach-ins, we'll be seeing a lot of those two in the games at the end in the near future, and it will really help this team which has played so poorly in the fourth quarter in the last two years. Let's see.) Second, he's very verbal, spacing W's on the floor on offense to set up passing lanes. Third, although it's not where it should be, his long-range shooting has improved -- and looks better as to form -- this year; at any rate, he's not where he was last year. Fourth, and this is what bugs Nellie and me most, he has a physical capacity to sneak in and get rebounds because of his length and vision -- but the guy just hasn't done it (except, as noted, in spurts at the end of games); this is a big key to any future success for him, and I hope he's getting it (like Davis seems to be getting the idea that team play works). Fifth, and I've said this before, he's the one guy on the team who knows how and when to give the hard foul -- not a flagrant, like Terry's on Monta -- but enough to let a guy know he's not going in free anymore. Ask Kobe or KMart, both of whom "died" last year after Mike took them out on otherwise uncontested drives. No one else does this -- at all.
Now, to me, that's enough to build on. No need to grind the guy into the ground. Patience doesn't mean one shouldn't be critical; Hell, I've been uber-critical of Davis's play since last year when he let his tremendous talent be washed down the drain by his outsized ego -- but I'm happy as a clam to see what appears to be a real turnaround this year. And Davis, no matter what else one thinks, is the singular key to success or failure for this team. No, criticize Dunleavy -- but try to show what he needs to do rather than just froth at his salary or bitch about missed open shots (everyone misses open shots; BD more than Dun, last year anyway).
And finally, for Atma, it has nothing to do with physical age; it has everything to do with an ability to BLEND the passion of being a fan with the ability to analyze without being puerile, churlish or adolescent. So, again, I say to the "Dun is Darth Vader on a bad day" crowd -- what's your point, other than that hating the guy gives you an outlet to express your rage? If he bothers you THAT much, just ignore him -- and trust Nellie. I think that's your loss -- because it renders you incapable of appreciating anything he does bring to the game. But it's an easier choice.
And the proof of the pudding will be this: Although everyone in the world knows Dun's salary -- and that he and most of the team are grossly overpaid, even by NBA standards -- let's see how many days pass before Dun blows a play and someone screams about the $44-45 million. (No one cries about Adonal's similar salary, even tho Nellie won't even play him.) Can we at least give that tired tune a break?
OK. Does that answer your Q?
by johnl on Nov 11, 2006 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice words
I know you're probably referring to the community as a whole, but I just wanted to make it clear that my views are my views and don't represent the other 5 GSoM writers. For example, YaoButtaMing talks like Dunleavy fan.
Dun's a Warrior, and I'm a Warrior fan. I think he wants to succeed, wants to help the team. I like that. He also knows what he should do, even if his performance doesn't always reflect it. (As T.S. Eliot wrote: "Between the idea and the reality, falls the shadow." True in many ways for all of us.)
I obviously don't have as much patience for Dunleavy as you do, but I really respect your attitude on this one. You've been a Warriors fan before I was born and you get nothing but my utmost respect for that kinda patience with this team and its players. That's loyalty. Hopefully someday the Warriors will reward their fans.
I find that you and I actually agree on most things hoops related besides our thoughts on Baron Davis and Mike Dunleavy (you would really rather have Dunleavy over Wally Sczerbiak?- I'd make that deal in a heartbeat). Good thing we have BD and Dun on this team to keep our discussions that much more interesting.
Good looking out.
by Atma Brother ONE on Nov 11, 2006 5:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You want Wally ball?
But personal differences aside, look at what I wrote yesterday (above) -- BEFORE the Pistons game -- about the five reasons I believe Dun is a very valuable asset on this team. Except for the fact that there was no need yesterday for the hard foul -- largely because BD got off to such a terrific start -- all four of my other thoughts came thru. He was a great addition off the bench, played 28 strong minutes (just about right), hit 50% of his shots, including a three, pulled down six rebounds by using his length, spaced his teammates and had nine assists -- including that perfect pass to a driving BD, moving nicely without the ball BTW, and Dun generally kept things rolling.
If you didn't appreciate (forget about "like" for the haters) the guy last night -- and give him his props for playing well, especially in light of the fact that this has been GSOM's "national hate Dunleavy week" (imagine, if you will --sorry Rod -- such a hateful, spiteful little hatchet job on any other NBA team blog -- especially when the team was starting to get on a roll!) -- you're really not paying attention. So heed this:
The W's are playing the best ball I've seen since the Run TMC days. Nellie's got them buying into the team concept, and to BD's major credit he's buying into it big-time, thus far. They've now tumbled into a starting five that makes sense for them (Nelson's seventh did the trick): BD, Monta, JRich, Murph and Biedrins. Dunleavy was steady, stable, and just plain good off the bench. MP is playing better, but Andris has really come of age and is a joy to behold with those long arms, soft hands and strong heart. This is good ball, and last night was a great example.
So, give the adolescent posturing a break (e.g. Atma's fatigue at the "absurd praise" for Dun), start enjoying what's before you, and think constructively -- how meld these diverse talents into a team? How match our guys up with fast teams (Mavs?) and slow teams (Pistons?). How do you play thru a losing skein? That's where the fun is; that's where one can transcend the desultory, quotidian comments that cause me to write: "Grow up!"
Atma, you in particular have some good things to say and nice observations to make, but this anti-Dunleavy crusade is pure lunacy and undercuts everything else you offer. Just as it took BD this long to play well here, it's taking Dun (and Nelson) time to find his fit. I see it coming, but admittedly I'm an old time guy who likes old time play -- so someone like Dun is always appealing to me for what he can bring to the game. So, I really think it's happening, but even if not, let's cut the kid -- and the team -- some slack on the hatchet pieces for a while, even at the cost of a few readers' "ha-ha-ha-ha-ha" comments. You really don't need such pats on the back. OK?
by johnl on Nov 12, 2006 5:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A few thoughts
Baron didn't deserve to make the All Star team last season, but he (as well as JRich) should've got a tryout for Team USA over guys like Luke Ridnour. I stand by that. Team USA selections weren't just about a 1 year performance, but about careers and building up a competitive national team for the next few years. Sorry, but Baron's more valuable and useful than Ridnour (+ several other players who got to tryout that I can't recall right now) and was robbed of an invite.
I really think you're misreading this post. The hate isn't about Dunleavy. It's frustration with the situation and a plea for the Warriors and fans to move on.
Huh? Look at the post breakdown. I don't write about Dunleavy that much, yet it gets ALL the attention when I do. Why? It still puzzles me.
I rarely see you in particular post anything about any other player or piece I put up unless it mentions Dunleavy. Why? I obviously like talking Warriors, let's talk Warriors- not just Dunleavy.
Last I checked this is Duleavy's 5th year with the team, yet BD's been here for about 1.5 seasons. I don't understand why there's a double standard here- Dunleavy gets all the patience and opportunities in the world, yet after BD has one season with bad shot selection and injuries, and you were ready to paint him as a cancer on this team.
This is what I just don't get at all. I've obviously been watching/ playing basketball for some time, so I'm nearing the age where I'm "old school". I think back to all the great stars/ role players I've watched and the old classic 80's/ 70's games I've seen on TV and Dunleavy doesn't remind me of any of those guys. Those guys were tough. They weren't soft on the defensive end. They always hustled. They fought hard for rebounds. They made their shots. They passed extremely well. They had drive. Those guys had heart. They didn't make excuses. They produced.
I've seen none of that consistently from Dunleavy in his 4 years here. And I personally don't have any patience to wait for him to untap these "hidden" skills that have lay dormant his entire NBA career.
Take the last word if you want it.
by Atma Brother ONE on Nov 12, 2006 8:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, we disagree. . .
Second, with you and Dun, it's NOT just frustration; it IS hate. Why else that hatchet job, just when the team is turning around? And, slowly, Dun HAS started to fit in over the past three games. It's not earth shattering, but then I've always said his strength is complementary. The vitriol level here is just absurd, unless you EXPECT Dun automatically to be a superstar. You certainly go out of your way to dump on him in almost a religious fashion; it's non-sensical and counter to your professed love for the team -- and the game.
Finally, as to your description of old time players, if you haven't seen that in Dun the last three games, you're just not watching. Who, besides AB, has shown any defensive presence, especially at the end of games? Who's hustling at the end of games getting tips, steals and rebounds? Who's been spacing and feeding teammates -- including BD -- from the point? How can you NOT appreciate Dun's play in the Pistons game: 50%, six RBs, 8 assists (tho I'd counted nine), and three steals in 28 minutes? No production; no heart?
Instead of recognizing his budding growth in the new mix, you're preoccupied (and oh so smugly satisfied) with that smarmy, adolescent -- almost punkish -- comment that at least he's up'ed his trade value. And you call yourself a team guy?
Even if Dun WERE the weak link here -- or a non-entity like that other equally-overpaid guy, Adonal -- why do you have such a thing for this repetitious, almost crazed, and endless string of attacks? What's the bang in that for you? Put simply, I can see the changes in Davis's game, and I'm liking what I see thus far; why are you so blinded to what Dun CAN do, rather than fixated on what he can't? Maybe you could distance yourself a bit, and give it some fresh thought -- because, so far, all I see are defensive reactions to obvious truths. In short, maybe a little patience IS merited: I mean, you've been watching a horrible team for over 10 years and Dun's only been here four (and didn't really play the first two).
by johnl on Nov 13, 2006 10:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd hope so
It would be expected with the young guys getting another year of experience. They had spurts of good play last year as well but injuries cut it short. We're gonna be short at center if biedrins wrecks his car again so I'd like to see foyle in the mix, it's gonna take N-POB at least a year to get up to speed.
As for dunleavey he's about the same as last year too, adequate but not much fun to watch, I'd rather be stuck with Josh Smith from that recent "losers list", I'm too old to watch Dun-ball I want some windmill dunks!
by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 12, 2006 8:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
dunleavy playing well tonight
by AJC3317 on Nov 9, 2006 8:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe?
Dunleavey can fill a spot need if he applies himself.I think he should work out a bit so he can dunk! Whaat's with all the soft finishes? He's too big to play like a small man.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 10, 2006 9:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Related
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/6158676?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=73
Prior to this season, Dunleavy had played in a total of 317 NBA games. Were any of those against Dallas during Nellie's tenure on the Mavs' bench? And what was Nellie attending to during the Warriors' most recent training camp? His shaky real estate investments? His next meal? His next nap? His next lawsuit?
by Atma Brother ONE on Nov 11, 2006 5:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Whaat?!! Dun had GAME
by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 14, 2006 10:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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