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Rumor: 76ers Contacted Warriors, Sonics, and Nuggets about an Allen Iverson Deal

Well it looks like Peter Vecsey's article about Allen Iverson wanting out of Philly has some merit. One of our sources has confirmed that the Sixers have indeed contacted four or five teams about moving AI. Three of the confirmed teams are the Golden State Warriors, the Denver Nuggets, and the Seattle Sonics. This doesn't necessarily mean that any of these teams are interested, rather that the Sixers front office has contacted them to gauge their interest. It seems safe to say that the 76ers like some pieces on the Warriors, Nuggets (aside from Carmelo Anthony since he's obviously not going anywhere), and Sonics.

Let's flip the script a little bit. If you were the 76ers what would you want from the Warriors in a deal for Allen Iverson?

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i'd trade monta for iverson if...
the trade is this:
foyle, dun, zarko, mcleoud, and monta
for
iverson, and steven hunter

or

foyle, dun, zarko, and monta
for
iverson, and rodney carney

Both of these trades work on the espn trade machine. Iverson is unstoppable alone, but if you team him up with baron, we will never have an offensive drought ike we did in houston and san antonio. And don't give me the crap about iverson being a ball hog, he scores cuz he has to, but once iverson gets accustomed to don nelson's system, we'll be unstoppable.

by cantfindanname on Dec 8, 2006 4:46 PM PST   0 recs

who's in the driver's seat?
Philly may "need" to move AI, but the demand will still be there despite his age (31?) and contract (3yr,$17m+) if NY, Boston, or LAL (yes, really) get involved.

Honestly Atma, it's hard for me to see AI, BD, and JRich all playing at the same time, and that amount of $$$ locked in at 1-2-3 would preclude getting a quality big man that we deserately need. BD would have to be the one to go - we can't let Monta go at his age, price, and potential (a year ago, hell a month ago I wouldn't've written that) and JRich is now hurt and probably not tradeable.

We could use the opportunity to unload a big contract (or two?) but Philly would need a PG, so Murphy, Dunleavy, Foyle, ect. just aren't likely to be in this mix because unless we're giving up Monta - it's tough to move those contracts. Monta and Murphy, and Foyle for Iverson - would Philly bite? I wouldn't. Too much baggage.

Baron and Ike, or Zarko, or MP works though. And Philly might go for that. Basically, do we want to trade Baron for Iverson?

Yes. And Philly can't do better than BD from Denver, Seattle, or LAL.

Iverson wants to win, he's a warrior by definition and he'd have a chip on his shoulder to prove what he can do. Would he want to come to GS??? Nelson would have to whoo him. Iverson and Monta, then when healthy Iverson & JRich is as potent as Baron and JRich. Though Baron is younger, they have the same years on their contracts. Will Baron get better than he is now? Will he be better at 31 than Iverson at 34? Will he make Monta better?

Who better for Monta to play with/behind than AI?

Nelson's call. Who do you want Don, AI or Baron?

by hardcore on Dec 8, 2006 4:59 PM PST   0 recs

Developing News
We can all expect a fairly quick resolution to this matter. Ed Snider, Chairman of the Sixers, was just on ESPN and divulged the following:

Iverson HAS asked for a trade.
The team IS aggressively pursuing deals.
Lastly, and probably most telling, Iverson has "probably" (his words) played his last game for the Sixers.

Because Iverson is only scheduled to miss the next two games, the situation would have to resolve itself by this weekend.

As for what JB said, giving up Baron for Iverson makes the trade a wash for me. They bring similar things to the table and it probably isn't worth ruining the current locker room chemistry, while bringing in a known coach killer. Trading Pietrus or Dunleavy would let us slide J-Rich to the 3, while still leaving backup minutes at the 1 and 2 for Monta ILLEST. Viva la Warriors!

by longus on Dec 8, 2006 6:00 PM PST   0 recs

Another quick update
Possibly disheartening news, ESPN's Jim Gray just spoke to Iverson who told him that his desired landing spot is...Minnesota.

by longus on Dec 8, 2006 6:01 PM PST   0 recs

blockbuster
for Minn, even if they trade 3 starters they'd have KG & AI!

by hardcore on Dec 8, 2006 6:11 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

One last thing
Anyone notice Billy King furiously pounding away at his Blackberry? Interesting...

by longus on Dec 8, 2006 6:01 PM PST   0 recs

Thanks for the updates longus
That's what it's all about. GSoMers keeping the community up to date with the latest!

by Atma Brother ONE on Dec 8, 2006 6:10 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Thanks
I thought I was bordering on annoying with all my messages. I think I'm nearing OCD levels of browser refreshing, waiting for Iverson news. Santa better not punk out on me this year. Also, I don't know how many of y'all have seen the ESPN Trade Machine, but it's a buttload of fun for armchair GMs like myself.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/trademachine

by longus on Dec 8, 2006 6:22 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Earth to "traders". . . .
Time for a reality check:
  • Billy King wants nothing the W's would like to dump.  He wants expiring contracts (we have none of real value), young stars (oh yeah -- trade Monta and/or AB for Iverson -- who NEVER wins anything, tho he sure looks good scoring at his 40% rate), and draft choices (we sure want to give up our lottery slots, right?).  Just because we'd like to peel off some baggage -- BD, Murph, Dun, JRich, Foyle -- doesn't mean anyone else wants it.  Geez, Mullin couldn't GIVE Murphy away this summer, and it wasn't for want of trying; Dun's base year and virtually untradeable, Baron's got that killer $17 million multi-year price tag, Foyle can't average five minutes on a poor team, and even JRich, with his multiple knee injuries, has shown almost nothing this year (tho at least the W's have finally sat him down so he won't get worse).  
  • AI is little more than a better scoring BD who is older and less able to be the playmaker BD has shown hecan be.  The only way to get those two on the floor together -- assuming the W's wouldn't be stupid enough to trade BD for AI -- would be to play with two balls.  In fact, AI creates the same insurmountable problem BD presented last year (and still does at crunch time this year) of hogging the ball and just pounding it while all others are forced to stand and watch.  AI's never been a team player -- for three games straight, anyway -- and never been a winner, except when he was held somewhat in control at Georgetown and that one year when the NBA was simply terrible.
  • What the W's need is not a six foot, aging ball hog; they need a good "four" -- of which several should be available -- and/or a slashing three.  In short, AI can be fun to watch at times, but mainly when he's playing for some other team.  A steady diet of his play would cause nausea in any fan of team basketball.
So, fortunately, truth be told, AI will NOT be a W, but I'll be interesting to see if King can pry Devin Harris from the Mavs (along with an expiring contract or two), because that's the best all-around trade out there -- for both teams.

by johnl on Dec 9, 2006 11:33 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

here here
But, I'm not convinced Murphy is so unmovable. I think the deals Mullin was exploring in the summer were just lop-sided and unattractive as hell for other GM's.

by Jeremy Belvins on Dec 9, 2006 12:42 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

what Billy wants ...
... ain't all what Billy gets ...

sure, we'd like expiring contracts too, so would every GM in the league, but he's in a tighter bind now than he was last summer ... hindsight he should have taken the draft-day offer from Boston, and they still are talking ...

trading BD for AI isn't stupid, and it's probably the only way this trade gets made. AI is the better player, may be Baron sustains his playing level longer since he's younger but he's also a ticking time bomb in injuries and leadership conflicts. Monta with AI is pretty dynamic, whether JRich is SG or SF when healthy. We would not lose much in this trade and the potential is the playoffs. That's reason enough to pull the trigger...

I agree with your third point, but the AI -BD trade would not preclude getting a quality big since both contracts are 3 years and similar dollars

by hardcore on Dec 10, 2006 2:12 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

AI would be great
I would trade baron murphy and foyle and maybe mclaud for Iverson and korver

by bor887 on Dec 8, 2006 6:01 PM PST   0 recs

Here's my thoughts.
I say, anything to get us out from under Foyles contract. Even if it means we gotta lose Monta, I say we go for the trades reported.

Otherwise, I'd bundle up Foyle and Dun/murph with maybe a pietrus. I we got a whole lot of forwards to look forward to.


If you take a look out of your windows, you can now see Dallas, TX. Quite the site, no?

by coma on Dec 8, 2006 6:19 PM PST   0 recs

Uh-oh
If the TWolves team up AI and KG, I'm pulling for them to win it all this season.

BUT it almost gaurantees that the Warriors won't sniff the playoffs this season.

The West looks like this right now:

  1. Utah
  2. San Antonio
  3. LA Lakers
  4. Dallas
  5. Houston
  6. Phoenix
  7. Denver
  8. LA Clippers
--
  1. NO/ OKC
  2. Warriors
Throw in Minny and it's going to be a nightmare to even sniff the  8th seed.

by Atma Brother ONE on Dec 8, 2006 6:26 PM PST   0 recs

Make it happen!

by vietsta4o8 on Dec 8, 2006 7:16 PM PST   0 recs

Noooooo!
But B. Diddy runs the City! Also, my bad for the Gray update. That moron...

by longus on Dec 8, 2006 7:26 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Don't worry about it
The joke's on Gray, not you.

by back2back51s on Dec 8, 2006 9:05 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

The Gray update was bogus
AI didn't say he wanted to go to Minny, Gray talked to an imposter and thought it was AI, LOL.

by reppin the bay on Dec 8, 2006 9:04 PM PST   0 recs

This trade actually works
A.I. for Dun, Foyle, and Diogu. Only in dreams though, I guess.

by reppin the bay on Dec 8, 2006 9:05 PM PST   0 recs

Billy King reports what he wants in a Yahoo
Article:
King has been telling teams that he wants a combination of expiring contracts, young players and draft picks for Iverson.

Source-Adrian Wojnarowski

And that package you pointed out sounds something like what he wants.

He might want Monta or AB as well, or in place of Ike?

by back2back51s on Dec 8, 2006 9:40 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Well scratch that
since we don't have an abundance of expiring contracts, we have players inked up for a while.

by back2back51s on Dec 8, 2006 9:45 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Check out the AP Report
76ers send Iverson home
Snider said Iverson has "probably" played his last game with the Sixers, ending a career that placed him with Julius Erving, Charles Barkley and Wilt Chamberlain among the team's greats.

"I think it's time for him to move on, for us to move on and find out where everything stands," Snider said. "I really didn't see it coming because Allen says all the right things."

I hope the Warriors can pull this one off. It would change the face of the franchise forever.

by Atma Brother ONE on Dec 8, 2006 9:18 PM PST   0 recs

changing the face
Yeah.  Instead of not knowing who the high scorer in the Warriors loss would be, we'd know that Iverson would be the high scorer in the inevitable losing efforts.

by jae on Dec 9, 2006 10:06 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

expiring contracts...nope
well, the W's don't have any of those. they have piety's expiring deal, but that is a rookie contract so not much money expiring there. we do have the young talent and draft picks though. i just don't see how the w's can make it work money wise...unless the sixers would take one of the horrible contracts (foyle, murph or dunnothing).

Let's Go Oakland! Gas, Brake, Dip.

by OaktownFunk on Dec 8, 2006 10:03 PM PST   0 recs

t wolves
if the rumors are true...this trade would work:
AI for jaric, eddie griffin and rickey davis.
griffin and davis both have expiring deals but jaric is locked up for 4 years.

Let's Go Oakland! Gas, Brake, Dip.

by OaktownFunk on Dec 8, 2006 10:09 PM PST   0 recs

Trade anyone for the Answer except...
Biedrins or Monta if that's possible. Trade anyone for Iverson except those two. But if Philly wants one of them then that's a tough call which one to give up.  I really like both players but to get Iverson would help our playoff chances.  Not sure who Nellie likes better but I'd keep Biedrins over Monta because of height unless Monta can become another Kobe.  Iverson still got some game left and he'd be exciting as heck!

Trade for the Answer!

by kirkkazas on Dec 8, 2006 10:16 PM PST   0 recs

Tough call...
I would personally try and push a Murphy along with all of our expiring contracts (Pietrus, Zarko, McLeod, and Roberson) for Iverson.  Throw in 2 draft picks (first and or second) just to sweeten it up a bit... Yeah that's a best case scenerio but thats just one way for them to get a solid PF after Webber leaves after next season, 6 mil in contracts gone after this season, and nurture Louis Williams as their future PG (who I'm still very high on) while leaving us with Iverson... which could make or break our next couple of years.  Sure we'd have Monta and Beans still... but its instant luxury tax.  Would Cohen like the extra revenue the playoffs would bring enough to keep Monta and Beans even if it puts us into the luxury tax?  I would hope so.  A man can still dream.... AHHHH!

by mightymadskillz on Dec 9, 2006 12:02 AM PST   0 recs

trade
boy do you guys like to rip the 76ers off!  hmmm, let's trade all of our garbage for ai!  give me a break!  if you want talent, you need to give up talent.  you guys need to stop looking at it from a warriors perspective, and think of yourself in the 76ers' shoes.  here is a real trade!

ai and cwebb for
murphy, pietrus, baron, and foyle

we get rid of murphy and foyle!  and webber's contract expires in two years, just enough time to resign monta and beans.  baron will be throwing alley oops to iguodala.
pg - ai
sg - ellis
sf - jrich/dunleavy/barnes
pf - diogu/webber
cc - beans/pob

pg - baron
sg - iguodala
sf - pietrus
pf - murphy
cc - dalembert

the sixers look pretty dam good

by thewarriorsrule on Dec 9, 2006 1:01 AM PST   0 recs

the next Run TMC
can you say NBA JAM? (Jason, Allen, and Monta)

by thewarriorsrule on Dec 9, 2006 1:03 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

f'get about CWeb
Comments from both he and Nelson a couple weeks ago when CWeb was "out the door" show neither wants to replay that scenario

by hardcore on Dec 9, 2006 9:06 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

proof
um, what comments?  can you give me the link for the article?

by thewarriorsrule on Dec 9, 2006 2:27 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

peruuuf
Nelson comments were on KNBR, Webber's were on the 76ers NBA trade rumors ....

by hardcore on Dec 9, 2006 4:48 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I'll vouch
I read somewhere that Nellie said something to the effect of 'it wouldn't be good for either of us.'  I think it was either on espn.com's rumor central or local.

by LancerEvoV on Dec 9, 2006 5:18 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

update
boston and minny are the front runners according to our favorite mel gibson fan, marc stein.  Denver maybe, but GSW are mentioned nowhere.

I dont think Mullin has the cajones to pull of an AI trade.  

stop dreaming, it will hurt less.

go dubs

by jrizzle on Dec 9, 2006 1:33 AM PST   0 recs

maybe Boston, not likely Minny ...
AI to Boston?

Boston Herald: "The Celtics are very much back in the hunt for Allen Iverson. According to league sources, the Celts were on the phone to the 76ers as soon as they learned that Iverson and Philadelphia had reached a point of no return. "

AI is NOT going to Minnesota, see GM's comments:

"No trade," Taylor said during the Wolves' 110-103 victory over Utah on Friday night at Target Center. "It isn't that I don't like him. Just money-wise, it wouldn't work out."

by hardcore on Dec 9, 2006 5:31 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

dream trade that works
2 expiring contracts, baron for AI swap, murph for webb swap...  and i would offer them back their first round pick we own... or another future pick...  

This is a dream trade for the dub's as WEbber contract comes off books right when we need to resign beans and monta, not too mention no more foyle or murph

Golden State Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Baron Davis
6-3 PG from UCLA
17.9 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 8.9 apg in 36.6 minutes

Troy Murphy
6-11 PF from Notre Dame
14.0 ppg, 10.0 rpg, 1.4 apg in 34.0 minutes

Adonal Foyle
6-10 C from Colgate
4.5 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 0.4 apg in 23.7 minutes

Mickael Pietrus
6-6 SG from France (Foreign)
9.3 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.7 minutes

Zarko Cabarkapa
6-11 PF from Serbia-Montenegro (Foreign)
3.3 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.3 apg in 8.4 minutes
Incoming

Chris Webber
6-10 PF from Michigan
20.2 ppg, 9.9 rpg, 3.4 apg in 38.6 minutes

Allen Iverson
6-0 PG from Georgetown
33.0 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 7.4 apg in 43.0 minutes
Change in team outlook: +4.2 ppg, -11.8 rpg, and -1.1 apg.

Successful Scenario

by boogielew on Dec 9, 2006 8:09 AM PST   0 recs

successful?
By successful you mean we get back $95% of the cap limit for two guys who don't show that they're winning where they are?  We get one guy who needs 25 shots a night and another who is such a hollow shadow of his former self that even if he was largely responsible for 12 years of futility and seeing him play poorly (in another city) could bring so satisfaction, it's sad to watch him play as he just is not an effective player anymore.

by jae on Dec 9, 2006 10:10 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

um
we're not getting webber to help us win.  we're getting webber for his expiring contract in 2 years so that we can resign monta and beans.  duh.

by thewarriorsrule on Dec 9, 2006 2:30 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

dude
you just put the same trade as me (see above), but you added in zarko.  if the 76ers want zarko too, then go ahead and take him.

by thewarriorsrule on Dec 9, 2006 2:28 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Great minds think alike
I think that's an ingenious trade, not only for the principal reason you mentioned -- Webber's expiring contract allowing us to resign Ellis and Biedrins -- but also for karmic ones: since trading CWebb seems to have brought down a kind of "Curse of the Bambino" on this franchise, mightn't bringing him help left it?

Also, from a pure basketball standpoint,  lineup you posted

Iverson/McCloud
Ellis/Roberson
JRich/Dun?barnes
Webber/Diogu
Biedrins/POB

would be a heck of a lot of fun -- er, "hella fun" -- to watch.

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 9, 2006 7:31 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I'm not sure Iverson
 is the answer to our problems but he'd be fun to watch and has style.  He might not be much better than Baron next year and beyond?  I'd chance a trade  for AI and Hunter if they'd accept Murpy, Foyle and Monta.   or maybe AI and Dalembert for Foyle, Baron and Pietrus?
    If I was AI I'd like the minnesota trade but I'd really want to go to the Clippers and play along  side  Brand in staples center ( kobe who?).

by Skeptic con Urquell on Dec 9, 2006 10:44 AM PST   0 recs

ooooooh
that clippers idea would be nice!

by gsdubz on Dec 9, 2006 11:11 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

24 hours later...
...I think I've come to my senses. As much as I would love to see Iverson in a GSW jersey, I don't think Mullin has it in him to do it. I put our odds at 10:1, maaaybe. Given Mullin's propensity to field a D-league team (as in Developmental, not "in Danger of Failing"), I don't see him putting together a package of young players and established vets needed to see this thing through.

Case in point, last year,  by all accounts Ron Artest was ours for the taking. All that held the deal up was the inclusion of one of our young pieces, Ellis or Diogu. Mullin backed away from that deal, so why would he make one a year later with the same but much improved players? Sure you could make the argument that the risk factor between Iverson and Artest is what could potentially cause one deal to go through and one not to, but it is much, much closer than one would initially think. Ron Artest plays the 3, is by and large the best bargain in the NBA today ($7.5 mill), and a shutdown defender of the rarest kind. Meanwhile, Iverson is an old, injury-riddled 31 years old and has run off Brown, Ayers, O'Brien, Ford, and alienated Cheeks, a man they brought in largely because of his excellent relationship with The Answer.  

Obviously, there are benefits to each player. My point is that if Mullin wouldn't make this kind of a splash last year, why would he do it now? I would love to eat some crow on this matter, but I just thought I should temper my own expectations. The Warriors have broken my heart before, and sometimes it's hard to wake up in the morning knowing that Todd Fuller is not walking through that door to save us...

by longus on Dec 9, 2006 12:26 PM PST   0 recs

FUCK AI
I like watching him just as much as the next guy, but he'd be a terminal illness for the warriors.

by Jeremy Belvins on Dec 9, 2006 12:46 PM PST   0 recs

They won't want your trash...or ours (Kings)
You will have to give up way too much for AI. Even then, dude isn't going to return on the investment and may not even play (see Bonzi) so then you have a lot more holes to fill. GSW is on the upswing and BD is working the leadership role nicely. Ellis and Beids are worth developing and holding onto.

My ironic prediction is that unless AI lands in Dallas where he thinks he has a chance at a ring (Cuban won't trade his youth), whomever gets him is going to actually be worse off.

by pyro on Dec 9, 2006 1:25 PM PST   0 recs

Not exactly
they publicly announced they're going to trade him soon. That puts pressure on the Sixers and diminishes their bargaining power. It all depends on what's being offered, because they have to take something soon.

by Jeremy Belvins on Dec 9, 2006 1:33 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

isn't practice important?
given our recently-hired beloved head coach and his specialty in developing young exciting players, bringing AI on board would probably the exact WRONG thing to do.  as much as i love the idea of having a real, game-winning shot-hitting superstar in the 'town, AI won't be the right influence for Monta, Beans, MP3 and the rest of the crew.
All-time Oakland Warriors starting five: Hardaway, J-Rich, Mullin, Mr. Mean & The Chief

by OaktownWarrior on Dec 9, 2006 4:01 PM PST   0 recs

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