Rumor: Clippers Would Want Mike Dunleavy

by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 27, 2006 4:14 PM PDT in News

Marcus Thompson of the Contra Costa Times offered some dispiriting news for Warrior fans: "[Devin] Brown [picked up in the Derek Fisher salary dump] might actually be the off-season acquisition" for Chris Mullin and company. Yes, that's more depressing than seeing the Warrior interior getting abused by the Lakers' "ferocious" big men Kwame Brown and Chris Mihm.

The fun part of MT's recent column was his offering of other trade possibilities for the Warriors now that Allen Iverson, KG, Jermaine, and Paul Pierce (i.e. impact players that could put the Warriors back on the NBA map) are off the market. Here's a great trade that MT offered that would help the Warriors pick up a slasher, solid rebounder, and nice free throw shooter, while actually hurting a division foe:

Small forward Corey Maggette, Los Angeles Clippers: They could use Pietrus to back up shooting guard Cuttino Mobley and small forward Quinton Ross, or maybe forward/center Andris Biedrins would do the trick.

Drawback: The real guy they would want is Mike Dunleavy, but he is a base-year player and hard to trade.

Would you really miss this "great" defense?

Someone actually wants Dunleavy? The Warriors should find a way to trade Mike Dunleavy to the LA Clippers for Corey Maggette at all costs. Why? We'll give you 44 reasons why (and make you laugh!): Part I | Part II | Part III | Part IV.

Aside from the jokes take a look at this comparison between Maggette and Dunleavy's best seasons as a pro:

Corey Maggette (2004-2005): 22.2 points, 6.0 rebounds, 3.4 assists, 1.1 steals, 43.1% field goal, 85.7% free throw, 30.4% 3pt
Mike Dunleavy (2004-2005): 13.4 points, 5.5 rebounds, 2.6 assists, 1.0 steals, 45.1% field goal, 77.9% free throw, 38.8% 3pt

There's isn't much of a comparison there. Maggette is the superior player and has had a better overall career than Dunleavy. Maggette's on the trading block and the Clippers are probably the only team in the league dumb enough to trade for Dunleavy because of the family ties. We'll miss the Funleavy Foto Fun, but the Warriors need to make this happen. The quickest way back into the Western Conference playoffs is to severely weaken one of those playoff teams. Dunleavy (plus overrated youth) for Maggette (plus players to make the deal work money-wise) does the trick.

Depressing sidenote: Corey Maggette has 3 years (with a player opt-out after next season) at 23.2 million left on his contract (7.7 million a year), while Mike Dunleavy's 5 years at 44 million dollar contract starts next year (8.8 million a year).

Interesting sidenote: There's very little similar about their games, both Corey Maggette and Mike Dunleavy played for Duke.

99% of rumors never happen, but 99% of them are fun to talk about!

Would you trade Mike Dunleavy for Corey Maggette? What kind of deals can you put together (try the ESPN Trade Machine) to make this work? Make sure to cast your vote by clicking "Comments"!

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In a Heartbeat

Maggette and Korolev for MDJ and Pietrus works. And that's fine with me. The only drawback is that Mags has been injured recently. But even if Maggette opts out of his contract, at least the Warriors dumped MDJ's.

by LancerEvoV on Jul 27, 2006 4:40 PM PDT 0 recs

No comparison?

What am I missing here? The only two categories where there's any statistical difference between the two is in points scored (advantage Maggette) and three point percentage (advantage Dunleavy). Now you may not see enough in MD's game to appreciate it (or maybe it's just too much fun to dump on the guy -- look at how the NYers love to dump on A-Rod, last year's MVP and POM in May), but do you really think the Clips (finally) got where they are because they're stupid? You really think they'd be idiots to trade Maggette for Dun? Why do you suppose they are trying to dump Magette in the first place?
Truth is, Maggette ain't a difference maker (granted MD isn't either) -- and THAT'S what the W's need. (Harrington wasn't either, and I have no idea why they spent so much time on him when everyone knew the Pacers were going to end up with him anyway.)
I'm starting to worry about Mullin: he picks Monty and stays with him; he can't get Davis to play team ball; he drafts an 18 year old kid (AB) who's two years in and still years away; he's overpaid for everyone he signs (except JR); and he still thinks Higgins has executive talent, when he's never shown a smidgen of it. Now he's playing a pat hand with one of the worst teams in the league.
Simple truth: there's only two guys out there worth chasing: Garnett and Iverson, and the W's can get neither. So I say, if they can figure a way to dump Murphy, Foyle, Davis (and why do you keep chatting him up as something worthwhile when -- tho talented -- he's a poor shooter, a horrible defender (and you pick on Dunleavy!), and always injured to boot), and even Dun (cuz you don't need a good sixth man, when you ain't got 1 thru 5. Play Monte, play Ike, play AB, hell play the Chef -- and let JR take charge. They aren't going to win anyway, but they can at least make it fun.

by johnl on Jul 27, 2006 4:47 PM PDT 0 recs

I agree with you

Neither Maggette nor Dunleavy is a real difference maker. Maggette is a borderline All Star when healthy though.

I still think this trade would put the Warriors in the playoffs.

It makes the Clippers weaker
Maggette is a PERFECT fit for this team. He makes his living at the charity stripe and ATTACKS the basket. No one on the Warriors does that right now. He isn't another perimeter player.
When healthy Maggette would consistently give the Warriors 20+ points and 6 rebounds a game. Dunleavy gives the Warriors 14points and less rebounds a game.
Plus we won't have to see Maggette ABUSING the Warriors anymore. I swear he gets like 15 free throw attempts a game against the Warriors

I'm all for having fun too though. Bring in Allen Iverson or play an uptempo game with no defense with the "kitty corps" (man, it's annoying when Fitz says that on TV).

93 'til Infinity: The Warriors' playoff drought?

by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 27, 2006 5:01 PM PDT up 0 recs

Fitz' comments

I think Fitz says 'kiddie corps', meaning that the W's players are young kids.

by goldenstatefan on Jul 28, 2006 2:21 AM PDT up 0 recs

Yeah that's why he says it

Hahaha, but most of the time he's just homering and using it to spin what's a blowout into a great thing for Warrior fans.

93 'til Infinity: The Warriors' playoff drought?

by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 28, 2006 7:50 AM PDT up 0 recs

not a difference maker?

i think a boarderline allstar is a difference maker. also stats aren't everything. dunleavy and maggette are not similar at all just because their numbers are similar. the warriors spent way to much time standing around on the perimeter hoisting up threes especially dunleavy who bricked all of his. dunleavy is not athletic at all and his ballhandling skills are way overrated. maggette is a slasher, an athletic guy that can get to the hoop. dunleavy is weak

by travisl212 on Aug 21, 2006 12:25 PM PDT up 0 recs

A-Rod

look at how the NYers love to dump on A-Rod, last year's MVP and POM in May

Man, I really don't understand why they treat A-Rod like that in NY. Sure he's struggled a little bit this year, but he's a superstar who to my knowledge always acts professional. It's just messed up.

For those of you who know baseball better- Does A-Rod pout, talk trash about his teammates in the media, or swear at the fans?

(Something #34 does by the way)

93 'til Infinity: The Warriors' playoff drought?

by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 27, 2006 5:09 PM PDT up 0 recs

dunleavy

haha comparing how they get on a-rod in ny is a funny thing to compare to fans getting on dunleavy because dunleavy flat out sucks. also i was wondering what dunleavy even said about his teammates in the media.

by travisl212 on Aug 21, 2006 12:16 PM PDT up 0 recs

Starting to worry?

I was worried the summer he signed D-Fish and Adonal to long big dollar contracts. I thought J-Rich's contract was fair, and he over-paid Murphy, but not too badly. Then he re-signed MDJ...

I'm not a huge fan of BD's, cuz I think he's lazy and settles for 3's all the time, but adding Maggette to DB and J-Rich would be exciting as ever. Maggette is athletic and can run the floor and finish. He's a better defender too.

by LancerEvoV on Jul 27, 2006 8:17 PM PDT up 0 recs

baron and maggette

i agree what you say about maggette, and i think baron at times may be alittle lazy but most of the time when he was settling for threes it was because he was playing hurt and couldn't attack the hoop as effectively. the time where i think baron is the laziest is on defense when his man doesn't have the ball he just stands around. to be a good defensive team you need to be able to play team defense and help defense. Now mike dunleavy shoots a bunch of threes and i would rather have baron shoot a three over mike any day. thats why they should get maggette because he isn't lazy and he attacks the basket

by travisl212 on Aug 21, 2006 12:33 PM PDT up 0 recs

maggette vs. dunleavy

You know what I love about Maggette? His ability to draw the fouls and get to the free throw line and convert. The past three years he's averaged 8, 10, and 8.5 free throws per game and made them at about an 84% rate. Before his injury last season, the 2 years prior he was a 20 point scorer, especially due to his high free throw rate. As a scorer Maggette is far and above better. I would just take Maggette over Dunleavy in a heartbeat. More athletic, better defender, scores much more, and draws fouls.

He's not a great difference maker, but how many are there really? I think if he comes to the team and replaces Dunleavy, he's an improvement and makes quite a bit of a difference.

I love your analysis on the rest of the post, but have to disagree with you that Dunleavy is nearly as good as Maggette.

by Fantasy Junkie on Jul 27, 2006 9:05 PM PDT up 0 recs

Time for a New GM and Coach

Some great insights by johnl. I especially agree with your comments on Chris Mullin, Rod Higgins, and BD.

After all the hype we heard in interviews last spring from Chris Mullin about how big changes were going to happen this summer, the only action he was able to accomplish was losing Derek Fisher, the only true leader on the team besides JRich.

Now he is having to face the unpleasant reality this summer that the rest of the NBA isn't interested in paying Troy, Adonyl, Mike, or BD what he decided to pay them.

I still think the single best thing Chris Mullin could do would be to trade BD, but what other GM would be crazy enough to make that trade?
Would any other GM in the NBA seriously be willing to gamble $13,000,000+ and a long-term contract like Chris Mullin did on a PG who hasn't played a full season in four years, doesn't play defense, has a reputation for being difficult to coach, and shoots a low percentage?

If Chris Mullin can't trade BD, then I think he should at least "dump" him like he did Derek Fisher. That would free up a lot of money to use for finding a quality player or players.

On top of all this, Monty was quoted as making the almost unbelievable comment a few weeks ago that as of now Adonyl Foyle is his starting center.

I have tried to maintain respect for Monty because of his career at Stanford and because he is a gentleman on the court. However, if he really said that and believes that, I seriously don't think we will ever have a winning season with him as head coach. I would be surprised if Monty would have even let Adonyl on the court at Stanford.

I just don't think it's going to happen this year. Chris Mullin painted the GSW into such a corner by signing BD, Adonyl, Troy, and Mike to inflated, long-term contracts that he can't get out of because no other team will touch them.

The only contract he could move was Derek Fisher, because the rest of the NBA knows what a quality player Fish is.

I guess all we can do is hope for the best. At this point, I am thinking the GSW need a new GM. Let Chris Mullin stay with the team as a scout, because he does have the ability to discover talented young players (Monta, Ike, Andris, Zarko, and maybe POB). We need a top quality GM running things, though. Chris just doesn't seem to have the ability to do the signings and tradings.

Maybe a top GM could bring in a talented coach with the common sense to sit Adonyl on the bench and make BD and Troy hustle and follow orders for their millions. Doug Collins, Larry Brown, maybe even Rick Barry?

The GSW need to make some big changes and not just with the players.

by pineriver on Jul 28, 2006 8:48 AM PDT up 0 recs

SuperMario?

since we can't make any blockbuster trades ...
and since Monty has proven he cant coach this group ...

how about let Mullin lie in the bed he made?
(the Knick option)

or let Mario have a shot?
(the Mavs option)

and wake me up for the Ogden sweepstakes

by hardcore on Jul 28, 2006 4:42 PM PDT up 0 recs

In a second,

this trade makes alot of sense for the warriors, it gives us an established SF, who fits in with the up tempo game I would assume the warriors want to play. Looking at it from the Clips POV it makes sense for them also because they are more half court oriented with elton brand on the block. Who knows, maybe having a strong post presence will reveal MDJs true talent, I wouldnt be surprised if he pulls out an all-star season right after we trade him. As long as Mag stays healthy this is a deal we have to make

Well theres always next year x12

by FoyledAgain on Jul 27, 2006 5:18 PM PDT 0 recs

This is my dream.

I make this trade everytime I play NBA Live and I win tha championship. If we get Maggette it would be perfect, it gives you a third scorer a tough rebounder and most importantly a guy who can shoot free throws. Maggette is so much better than Dunleavy and Harrington its funny. Please Mullin and Rod do this. Mullin stop thinking Dunleavy will turn into u, because he wont. Dunleavy makes white people like me look soft, trade that bitch.

by JRichIsStillAGodButBiedrinsIsABeast on Jul 27, 2006 5:22 PM PDT 0 recs

this is my dream too

it's a dream, not reality, and won't be reality. sorry to be so negative but i don't see this happening. 1st of all, dunleavy has a big contract and is BYC. 2nd, mullin loves dunleavy and this offseason is basically over

by chimp on Jul 27, 2006 8:02 PM PDT 0 recs

Dave Del Grande Trade

Not sure if this has been posted already but it sparked my interest. I'm not sure if the deal works within the salary cap limitations but what do you think?

I DATELINE: In Barry's mirror. Chris Mullin is quickly learning his players aren't as marketable as he thinks. But the Warriors do have one "chip" almost every team in the league would love to take off their hands -- next year's No.1 draft pick.

You see, 2007 is the year of the Greg Oden sweepstakes. At this point, the Warriors hold what could be the winning ticket.

If Mullin were to dangle his prize possession, I believe he could land the type of player who could make the Warriors a playoff team next season. And in turn, the draft pick wouldn't have nearly as much value.

So you've got to make the playoffs if you trade the pick, and I've got just the deal to do it:

Troy Murphy, Mickael Pietrus and the No.1 to the Nets for Richard Jefferson.

I know the Nets aren't anxious to break up the Jason Kidd-Vince Carter-Jefferson trio. But Pietrus gives them someone to run with Kidd, and Murphy (a New Jersey native) adds double-double potential to a weak frontcourt. And then there's the prospect of landing Oden.

Ah, dreams.

Richard Jefferson

PT-42

by norcaldevilasu on Jul 27, 2006 8:09 PM PDT 0 recs

Trading away 2007 1st Rounder

Thanks for linking to the Dave Del Grande piece. I missed it. Inside Bay Area really needs some RSS feeds. Shocking that they don't have them.

I don't think any GM is going to trade away a 2007 draft pick especially after what just happened to Isiah and the Knicks. Even a team like the Spurs probably won't trade away their pick. It's like the Rockets last year- NO ONE predicted that they would miss the playoffs, but they ended up in the lottery. Trading away a pick that ends up being Oden, Young, or Yi would be a PR disaster.

But the big issue if you trade away the 2k7 pick- What about Yi?

93 'til Infinity: The Warriors' playoff drought?

by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 27, 2006 11:56 PM PDT up 0 recs

Fingers crossed

Trading Dunleavy and Biedrins for Magette and Daniel Ewing works on ESPN's trade machine, but probably not reality. If the Clips are intent on dealing Magette, they'll find much better deals than Dunleavy and Kaman's caddy. (Biedrins and Kaman would battle for minutes and bad hair awards.)

All the comments on Maggete's ability to feast at the line are right on... almost nobody is better at drawing fouls and converting them into points. Magette is exactly the sort of high efficiency player that the Warriors desperately need.

I hope it happens.

Still annoyed that we drafted Tod Fuller

by teagle on Jul 27, 2006 9:47 PM PDT 0 recs

ditto Joe Smith

and, hoping for the #1 next spring is pure fantasy (but isn't that what we are all engaged in here?)

ok, for all you Dun-Murphy-Foyle bashers here's a deal that "works" in the magical trade machine
(and yes, I'm beating a dead horse)

Dun + Murphy OR Foyle for Kmart and Julius Hodge

by hardcore on Jul 27, 2006 9:57 PM PDT 0 recs

while we're at it ...

these also work:

Murphy for Maggette straight up

and

Foyle + Dunleavy for Kmart/Hodge

BD
JRich
Maggette
Kmart
POB

that's some serious dealing and doubtful Denver would bite, but Clips would likely swallow it

by hardcore on Jul 27, 2006 10:14 PM PDT 0 recs

KMart? Oh no!

Before you start wishing for KMart -- LOOK AT HIS CONTRACT! This guy -- often hurt, not a winner -- would bleed the W's dry for years to come. (At least he'd take the relative chicken feed of Dun's $45 mil out of people's minds.) And he's not as tough as his tats would imply: last year opur own Mike Dunleavy hard fouled him in a game -- terrific, smart foul, BTW, coming near the end of the hald -- and l'il KMart was absolutely silent (and scoreless, I think) for the rest of the game. This guy's a waste. So, be careful what you wish for -- cuz he'd doom the team for years (and I don't need to make George Karl a happy guy by letting him dump KMart on us).
If you want to throw money away -- and big money at that (a la The Flingin' Barron) -- throw it at someone who's got some real talent and some real guts, like AI.
BTW, if the W's could trade MD and AB for Maggette and change, I'd jump too. Good trade for both teams. Clips will get a guy who could easily be the best sixth man in the game (with a good team); W's would get someone who's not afraid to drive, and can hit his FTs. AB becomes surplus with O'B here. I still think Dun would hurt the W's a lot over the years, but since only JR has real starter's talent on this team, we might not be able to afford the luxury of what MD brings (which, you'll all see, is more than most seem to think at the moment).

by johnl on Jul 28, 2006 9:31 AM PDT up 0 recs

I agree

Getting KMart would be worse than any contract the Warriors currently have. Something like 5 years and 72mil left. For an injured disgruntled player? No thanks.

by LancerEvoV on Jul 28, 2006 10:34 AM PDT up 0 recs

y'r right - high risk

ah if only Philly would take BD (and if AI was on the market, neither of which is happening - Mully looked I'm sure) You're right, of course, it's BIG risk on KMart and small one on Maggette (he can opt out after 1 year - then what?) but is the only recourse to sit back on this roster and watch as no one challenges BD? JRich hasn't the personality to rein him in by himself (and Monty clearly cant). IF KMart's issues are with GKarl then there's a potential for dynamic improvement here: KMart could attack the season with an "I'll show you" attitude,and if KMart & Maggette & JRich together challenge BD to raise his game his pride kicks in. Imagine those four at the top of their game for just one moment and the risk could be worth it ... Maggette for Dun/AB alone doesn't get GS to the playoffs and he can be gone in a year. GS is virtually unwatchable other than JRich highligts. Mully needs to try something with a potential of big change for this year, what do you suggest?

by hardcore on Jul 28, 2006 12:01 PM PDT up 0 recs

draft pick too

maybe if we through in next years 2nd riund pick or 08 first rounder, i bet denver would deal. they're an aging team that tends to trade off their picks, they could use some talent from the draft. with the situation of k-mart and karl one or the other is gone next year, and i think the nuggets would rather have karl

by mydedgerbil555 on Jul 27, 2006 10:27 PM PDT 0 recs

Matt Steinmetz sez

Matt's about fed up with Mike but sez Dunleavy has strengths but they are not taken advantage of under the current system.

Let's reboot last year's team with one big change -- they do it Chris' way -- hustle, defend, shot high precentage shots, listen to the coach OR sit on the pine.

When BD blows off Monty's play calling like he di dlast yeat and never got a shot off -- he gets to sit on the bench until he acknowledges his mistake. If he refuses, he can sit at home and not travel with the team.

Should be interesting.

by joe sez on Jul 27, 2006 11:03 PM PDT 0 recs

Steinmetz Piece

Was there a link to it? I don't remember seeing it. Thanks!

93 'til Infinity: The Warriors' playoff drought?

by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 27, 2006 11:52 PM PDT up 0 recs

I agree with Steinmetz

Dunleavy has strengths to his game, but they're not getting exploited in this system and I don't think they ever will. Even if his strengths are exploited, he's more of a role player.

Really though, I want him off the Warriors. At any cost.

by jonathan on Jul 28, 2006 12:40 AM PDT up 0 recs