GSoM EXCLUSIVE Rumor: The Ball is in Mullin's Court

by Fantasy Junkie on Sep 25, 2006 10:58 PM PDT in Rumors

Our anonymous insider has some more information on the "Wallace + Ely for Dunleavy + Pietrus + pick" trade. Basically it looks like the deal is not going to happen because of Mullin's love for Dunleavy. Apparently, his source from Charlotte is saying that the Bobcats are offering the deal to Mullin and they're just waiting on Mullin's response.

We'll try to keep you as updated as possible on this.

Like we always say though, 99% of rumors never happen, but 99% of them are fun to talk about!

Pull the trigger? Yes or No

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its a tough choice

but i'd still go for it considering you add to your running attack as well as to the defensive corp. on one hand i want to see what dunleavy could do under nelson, but on the other hand we could get wallace!...decisions, decisions...

by kenntoe on Sep 25, 2006 11:08 PM PDT reply actions

I'd do it

The funny thing is; Dunleavy would likely flourish with the Bobcats, cause they have all the other pieces to make him valuable. It'd be a win-win.

by Jeremy Belvins on Sep 25, 2006 11:10 PM PDT reply actions

yes

for the love of god yes!!!

BUT IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN CAUSE MULLIN IS GAY FOR DUNLEAVY

And when the season is over we'll be wondering why we kept Dunleavy for one more year. The guy is only consistent at being a dissapointment.

by the optimus dime on Sep 25, 2006 11:17 PM PDT reply actions

come on

come on mullin, use your bald head and make the right move. get rid of dunleavy

by llamalimbo1 on Sep 25, 2006 11:18 PM PDT reply actions

4 sho!

BD + JRich + GWallace + Ike + Troy with Monta/ Dajuan/ Ely off the bench = Playoffs

Gerald Wallace is exactly what this team needs. A great defender who can rebound and run with Baron and Jason. What Pietrus should be, but will probably never be.

Dunleavy's had 4 years in the league and showed us that he's a below average starter in the NBA. People were hyping up how Monty was going to do wonders for Dun's game. Didn't happen. Why would it be any different under Nelson?

I love Nellie, but he can't make miracles happen and turn MP2 into Gerald Wallace and Mike Dunleavy into Lamar Odom (a real point forward at the 4 spot).

The Bay loves GSoM!

by Atma Brother ONE on Sep 25, 2006 11:18 PM PDT reply actions

Gotta gamble

Mullin is not stupid enough to turn down this trade. The pick is worthless, getting GW and Ely can only make us better, and they're a better bet than Dun and MP2. Please make this trade Mully!

by optimistic pessimist on Sep 25, 2006 11:23 PM PDT reply actions

99% of GSoM's sources...

...are full of it, and looking to keep their visitors entertained. Come on now, you fabricated this story to stir up some interest in your site!

Aw hell, it worked on me!

I love visiting your site compulsively, sometimes several times in any given minute! However, this time, your alleged sources are not very convincing at all, especially since this rumor has not been mentioned ANYWHERE on ANY NEWS SITES on the web, (not even the shady hoops rumor sites). The only thing out there is a mention in like two articles that Ely might leave the 'Cats, but nothing about the Warriors making progress and absolutely nothing at all mentioning anything about Gerald Wallace!

My point is, please stop getting our hopes up and let us enjoy Nellie's return already!

P.S. If by some miracle this does go through, I'm shaving my head to shame myself for posting this comment.

P.P.S. If it does not go through, I am looking into creating the website tradedunleavy.com, so if anyone is interested, holler at me.

P.P.P.S. Ever stop to think that maybe Mullin has promised Dunleavy to someone else and is trying to hold Dun for, I dunno... his daddy?????

by gsdubz on Sep 25, 2006 11:31 PM PDT reply actions

website

oh, id go to that website if you made it, several times a day, 7 days a week, 4 weeks a month, 12 months a year.

Well theres always next year x12

by FoyledAgain on Sep 25, 2006 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions

P.P.P.P.S.

We're just relaying what we've heard from a legit source. We promised them we wouldn't reveal anything about them, so we can't really get into it.

Will it go down? Haha, who knows? Just because GMs are talking about a deal doesn't mean it will happen. It's all negotiation tactics and smoke tactics. 99% of the rumors you read about never happen, so I wouldn't be surprised if this trade didn't go through (although I hope it does!).

I want to stress we NEVER make up stuff. We're just relaying what we hear or read from legit sources.

If some random guy sent us a tip and they weren't legit, we of course wouldn't even mention it. (Hahaha, so nobody start emailing us random KG to the Warriors rumors just to play a joke on everybody!)

The Bay loves GSoM!

by Atma Brother ONE on Sep 26, 2006 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions

YESYESYES

I can not say how much I want this deal done. At the absolute worst (wallace and ely injure themselves and never play) it could be a salary dump move. Wallace for Dunleavy alone frees up around 7 million next offseason, if this goes to re-signing gerald, it will be because he has earned it. If he sucks we have the money to pursue other FA's. Now if Dunleavy turns his career around none of that matters. But if he plays like we have come to expect, not only will next season be wasted, we will be unable to do anything with a fat, essentially untradeable contract. I realize in all of this I am leaving out Ely and Pitrus, but as Ely is a FA I dont know how much money he will be making. Im hoping it will be around pietrus level and the 2 pretty much cancel out. This isnt even getting into the quality of the players, and imho we would be upgrading our talent with this trade.

Open letter to Mullin
JUST DO IT!!!!

Sincerely missing the playoffs,
Your Fans

Well theres always next year x12

by FoyledAgain on Sep 25, 2006 11:33 PM PDT reply actions

YES!

i was first to post for the first time!!
haha. if there were only a way we could relay these messages to Mullins personal email or something...Listen to us!! our voices might be just as smart as your top execs, especially since you've failed for 12 years.

by kenntoe on Sep 26, 2006 12:22 AM PDT reply actions

Anyone know?

What pick are we talking about? I assume not our 2007 first round pick. Is this a second round pick? Is this a future pick? Is this the sixers pick? To me that makes a big difference.

With the 2007 draft looking so deep .... and the possibility of this being a rent-a-wallace for a year....

WE could be looking at next off season with wallace walking...opting out.... and no pick.... and with our luck it will be the 6ers pick and will be for Oden

So we end up with trading a lot for Ely....

As it is .... I dont think i like this trade.... unless we are talking second round pick

by boogielew on Sep 26, 2006 1:19 AM PDT reply actions

Draft Pick

What pick are we talking about? I assume not our 2007 first round pick. Is this a second round pick? Is this a future pick? Is this the sixers pick? To me that makes a big difference.

You're right it makes a huge difference. If it's a 2007 first rounder I probably wouldn't pull the trigger. You never know who that pick could turn out to be in a loaded draft.

As of right now we don't know exactly what pick the Bobcats requested. We'll keep you updated with whatever we hear though.

The Bay loves GSoM!

by Atma Brother ONE on Sep 26, 2006 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions

picks

The 6er's pick that we got via Dallas in the Dampier trade has some lottery protection. If it turns out to be high enough to get Oden, we don't get it.

Draft choices are rarely all that valuable. The first pick is usually a good player and has the best chance of being a great player of any pick, but after that, drafts often cool rapidly. Historically, the 3rd pick has only a 50-50 shot of being an impact player. The higher the pick the better, but it's no guarantee and after the first few picks, odds are that the player won't be a star. Odds are that mid to late lottery picks will be average starters or bench players more often than anything else. The 9 through 11 picks we seem to get year after year have a low likelihood of returning a star. It can happen, but odds don't favor it.

IF the Bobcats would take Philly's protected pick in the deal, I'd make it. IF they want only our own pick, I'd make the deal too (top three protected), figuring that the pick isn't likely to be any better than the lower half of the lottery. The hypothetical immediate gain of Wallace should make that pick even less valuable.

Toss this all out the window if they want more than one first rounder. That's just too much risk too far down the line.

by jae on Sep 26, 2006 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions

Good points

I like the idea of protecting the pick if it's top 3. In this much-hyped draft I'd actually try to protect it top 5 or even top 7.

Normally, I'm with you though. Always move the draft pick for a sure thing. 2007 is a pretty hyped draft class, so I'd approach it differently.

The Bay loves GSoM!

by Atma Brother ONE on Sep 26, 2006 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions

Draft picks are valuable

I disagree with your devaluation of draft picks. I'd compute a draft pick's value but try to normalize for draft class, GM, and player position (G, F, C). It's not a a straightforward computation.

Picks are one of the three assets a GM has to work with. They offer flexibility and the option to get a needed player and lock them in with restrictive free agency.

In this case, I'd give the Houston pick up for Wallace because the loss is offset by contract flexibility with Wallace. Off-loading Dunleavy's expensive, long term contract for the option of adding salary cap space with Wallaces helps the capped-out GSW.

The player swap can be considered neutral.
GSW gain in contract flexibility - GSW need it.
Bobcats gain a draft pick. Jordan wants these.

by joe sez on Sep 26, 2006 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions

pick

It is my understanding that this pick is not lottery protected as you suggested, but that the Warriors getting this pick is contingent on the 6ers making the playoffs. THat is a different scenario. If the 76ers don't make the playoffs then they retain the draft pick

Which for this season means i am a huge Philly fan

by boogielew on Sep 26, 2006 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions

If Mullin's not doing this

because of Dunleavy, he should be fired. Plain and simple.

by jonathan on Sep 26, 2006 10:06 AM PDT reply actions

Wallace and Assets

I listened to NBA games on streaming audio ($19.99).

Tune into any Bobcat game last year and you'd constanty hear about Wallace's play. Given his play, I thought he was Tim Thomas' size 6'10" and not 6'7".

I'd give up Dunleavy for Wallace.
GMS have 3 assets:
salary cap space
players
draft picks

A trade for Wallaces gives two for onw. GSW get a fairly even trade on players AND get a short contract which lets GSW free cap space sooner -- if they want.

by joe sez on Sep 26, 2006 10:52 AM PDT reply actions

A couple probs;

- Wallace has a player Option for $6,050,00.00
...OR...
can opt out!

GSW prefers GW to drop that option. That gives time to develop depth at SF. A Team Option in his 3rd year is better still allowing GSW to play him or trade him for talent back at that time. He will also be highly motivated to play his best in the second and third seasons. Now we have improved play at SF for 3 years and that is much closer to the 5 year Dunleavy contract

- Ely is a sign and trade. GSW needs Ely on a 2 year plan also to allow Diogu and Taft to develop. If Diogu and Taft are ready to slot in we can trade Ely and/or Troy for similar quality in return. Nelson has said Troy is his Center but I see Diogu's time split between C/PF as last year. Ely on the depth chart allows this to develop methodically.

So far, in the rumor as stated above; A starter and a backup are being traded by each team. GSW is getting comparable talent but trading away 7 seasons and a high pick but only getting two seasons. This only makes sense if it pushes a team deeper in the playoffs. That is the case if we also get KG but it is not the case in any other scenario.

Run away from this if we don't get the 3 years contract control for both players. That makes it a great trade.

If GSW trades the rest of our roster for single year contracts we will only have a roster next year and no high picks the rest of this decade.

I guess Nelson, Mullin, Mario, etc. would suit up for '07-'08?

by Playoffs Drought on Sep 26, 2006 11:19 AM PDT reply actions

The Gerald Wallace opt out is for 2007/08

Sorry, I did not make that clear above.

by Playoffs Drought on Sep 26, 2006 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions

Jus Do It!!

Yes!!! Please get rid off Dunleavy, I dont care how u do it jus do it. Mullin get off his jock, remove your lips from his u know wat and pull tha trigger. Wallace is better than both Dunleavy and Pietrus. And Ely will produce as a center

by JRichIsStillAGodButBiedrinsIsABeast on Sep 26, 2006 11:47 AM PDT reply actions