RECAP: Warriors 96, Heat 118 - FUGLY!

by YaoButtaMing on Jan 13, 2007 10:20 AM PST in Recaps Comment 52 comments

Folks I have to be completely honest with you ... it's getting a lot harder writing these recaps when the only amount of energy I saw last night was from the rancid expired Indian food which was digesting poorly in me. Not sure what smelled worse ...

Wade had an all access pass to the basket all night.

So with that I decided to check myself into the hospital for fear that I have GSoM Depression. Doctor was very nice and had me fill out this form before prescribing me the goods.

Diagnosis:

Q) Have you been in a depressed mood most of the day, nearly every day for at least two weeks?
A) Yes! I've been depressed for 12 years, does that count? Dwayne Wade and the Miami Heat gave us a pretty ugly beat down last night which caused little sleep on my end. We lost 96 to 118 and the worst part about it is that I didn't see any passion or energy from most of our players. This continues our losing streak to three.

Q) Have you lost interest or pleasure in most daily activities, nearly every day for at least two weeks?
A) Last night I didn't even care to see the end of the game! Dunleavy scored 2 points and Pietrus went down with an ankle sprain. Biedrins didn't show up and we let the Heat's Kapono go willy-nilly all over us ... KAPONO!!! I feel like giving up!

Q) Have you experienced a significant weight change (at least five pounds) either loss or gain recently?
A) The Heat last night beat us by 22 points. The game before that we lost by 15 and the game before that 23! I don't have my star players so it's like working out without running shoes, but still.

Q) Has your appetite changed (increased or decreased) for an extended period?
A) Yes. I'm not looking forward to our next two games against the Clippers. I'm losing faith. Then again our last three losses came from pretty good teams, the Suns, Magic, and Heat. So maybe I shouldn't be too hard on myself!?! No wait, yes I should, we are now 9th in the West and if we lose to the Clippers we'll spiral farther down to 10th.

Q) Have you had guilty feelings or feelings of worthlessness nearly every day for at least two weeks?
A) Yes. I'm a season ticket holder. How can I go on when I know my money could be going to better use ... like the Family Guy Season DVDs!

Q) Have you had difficulty thinking, concentrating, or making decisions nearly every day?
A) Troy Murphy $8.2 million this year, Foyle $8.1 million, Dunleavy $7.4 million. All combined for a whopping 14 points last night. Ellis $664k, Barnes $771k, and Azubuike $365k all combined for 49 points last night. Enough said.

Q) Have you had any thoughts of death or any thoughts of suicide without any specific plan?
A) No ... because I have GSoM Baby!

Taking the First step: Seek professional help!

Taking the Second step: Ignore professional help and join GSoM crew!

Taking the Third step: Med's.

Medication:

The Rockets and Grizzlies did their part last night helping the Warriors by beating the Nuggets and Wolves so all we had to do was beat the defending Champs without their star O'Neal.

Warrior Wonder: Ok I've heard all you guys talking about this kid Azubuike but last night was the first time I had a good chance to see how good he really is. It's amazing how Nellie can bring out the best in players you didn't even think could make it to this level (Barnes). Kelenna had 17 points but had some beautiful smart basketball plays and passes. Can't wait to see how this kid matures.

Could be another good player who won't wear a Warriors jersey next year!

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yes

the good thing about Azubuike is that he can hit freethrows! IMO this game would of been closer if we did hit our FTs. At one point we were 5-14 from the FT line, it was like we were shooting our FTs from the 3pt line.

by djchuckdeez on Jan 13, 2007 11:36 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

One good thing about this game....

I was playing a High School game, and missed this one. My team hustled. The Warriors didn't. Where's my 50 million dollar contract?

For what it's worth, not trying to be mr. smartypants here, but for some strange reason, it's dwYane wade, not dwaYne. I wanna know where his parents went to school...

by bradyk2 on Jan 13, 2007 11:37 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

good catch

I've never been known for my grammar, spelling, or communication skills.

Atma and F. Junkie keep me locked up in the back and only let me post when their off doing important stuff.

Apart from my weird sense of humor which only 10% of you out there get ... I like to preoccupy my mind with mindless dribble so not to let the Warrior frustration lead me to the edge of the golden gate bridge ...

by YaoButtaMing on Jan 13, 2007 11:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Fugly is right

Wow, our season is imploding, isn't it?

At least The Don knows what needs to happen: A blockbuster trade. The worse this season gets, the more acceptable blowing out the whole roster and starting from scratch sounds. I think I read yesterday somebody saying Jason Kidd for Baron might be a good idea!

I hope Mully can get something done to revive hope around here. With our bench of Dunleavy, Murphy, and Foyle gobbling up the budget, even the future is bleak. Will we be able to re-sign Beidrins, Barnes, Pietrus, or Ellis? From Nellie's interviews (and the Smart annointment), I wonder if he'll stick around if he has to rely on youngters and training camp invitees another year.

by RonG on Jan 13, 2007 11:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Quickies

Back to back games. First UGLY then FUGLY. Not very good.

The defense was awful.
This roster has the hoops IQ of a high school squad.
The refs were horrendous. They made stupid foul calls for both sides, but way more so for Dwyane Wade.
Kapono OWNZ the Warriors.
Monta Ellis quietly had a nice night and limited his turnovers to only 3. We'll take it.
There were maybe one or 2 ill advised treys, but for the most part Baron Davis had a nice night. He played good d and his numbers showed his nice night. He's a men among boys on this roster. Imagine if he had a real front court to work with. BD is NOT the problem. You do not trade him. Players with his skillsets are very rare. It's too bad the Warriors are wasting a great season from him.
It was tough to watch MP2 go down with that ankle injury. Let's hope he's OK. I think it's safe to say that he's an injury prone player at this point in his career. Even worse is that he takes a long time to recover and when he finally does come back it takes him a lot of games to get back to his best form.
Teams have figured out Biedrins and he's tired. He's going to have to work on his game hard if he was to be a consistent impact player.
Azubuike was a very nice find. It'll be interesting to watch him as the season progresses.
Myth: Dunleavy is inconsistent. WRONG. Over his career he's consistently been a bad NBA player. He sprinkles in some good moments and stretches, but those are the exception to the rule. He's gotten beat out by Barnes (an NBA journey man), Azubuike (an NBDL product), and Pietrus (prone to mental errors) this season. His stat line looked better than he played last night- and his stat line was awful.
Mullin and Higgins better be working the phones hard. They should strongly be considering some buyouts for Dunleavy and Foyle and even possibly Murphy. Those veterans do nothing but perpetuate the losing culture of this organization.
Can we buyout Cohan?

by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 13, 2007 11:45 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Man

FU.

by Zorgon on Jan 13, 2007 12:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

No OK for GSoM

Zorgon- I know you're probably joking and you're good people, but this type of post isn't acceptable on GSoM. Swearing at people is silly and it contributes absolutely nothing to the discussion when that's all you're writing.

It's fine to disagree with what someone says. State why you think they're wrong. Don't call them names or swear at them. This isn't the 3rd grade.

We have always said this is a family show and people have emailed us and posted asking us to be stricter about moderating the comments on this site. In the future things like this will be deleted.

by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 13, 2007 12:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Fine

Atma is a poo poo head.

by Zorgon on Jan 13, 2007 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

because

He thinks Foyle contributes to the losing culture. Sorry, I don't normally do that, but I was very angry at the time.

by Zorgon on Jan 13, 2007 12:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry he does

I love Foyle as a person and everything he does for the community, but he's a poor hoops player who has never worked on his game. I really question a guy's work ethic and dedication when after 10 years they've added absolutely nothing to their game.

This year was probably the first season he showed up in shape. He's not a great defender (never was- for every block he makes, he gets dunked on 2 or 3 times) and isn't a smart player. Foyle gets way too much credit for hustling out there too- most of the time he's getting worked on the glass and getting abused down low by players who are faster and smarter than him.

When your big money veterans are guys like Foyle who are not committed to working hard on their games it sets a bad example for young players. He has been a big reason for the losing culture of this franchise. He's not the sole reason, but a big reason.

I root for him because he's a nice guy and he tries out there when he's playing spot minutes off the bench, but it's time for him to go just like Cohan, Mullin, Higgins, Dunleavy, and Murphy.

by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 13, 2007 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Quotes!

Summer Activities, 2001

I traveled across Europe for a month, visiting various places in Spain and Italy. I started off in Barcelona, Spain and then flew to Rome, Italy, where I joined a cruise ship that sailed along the Italian and French Riviera and back to Barcelona. It was a great trip, and I really enjoyed visiting all of the historic sites as well as experiencing the cultures and food of the Mediterranean. After Europe I flew to the Caribbean where I represented my teammates at the NBPA union meetings in the Bahamas and visited my family on Union Island in St. Vincent and the Grenadines.

However during all my travels basketball was never far from my mind, and I made it a point to find a gym wherever I went in order to stay in shape. When I returned to California, I worked out everyday with Clifford Ray at the Warriors practice facility. I also went to a basketball camp that Cliff was teaching in Florida with Robert Parrish. I learned so much in such a short period - they taught me all the ins and outs of the big man's game and the secrets to how they played when they were in the league. I asked Robert how he managed to last so long in the league, and he stressed the importance of stretching, good teammates and working very hard. I feel very privileged that he was able to impart some of his knowledge to me. I think that as a result of that camp and the rest of my summer workout, you are going to see me more offensively active this year. I've spent a lot of time this summer shooting the ball, putting it on the floor, and just being comfortable with the ball. My jump shot is out to 15 feet, and I've put a lot of emphasis on executing a consistent foul shot. I feel that there has been a definite improvement in my all-around game, which you will see reflected in the upcoming season.

2002:

"Is that Adonal Foyle?" So asked an NBA assistant coach after seeing Adonal display his newly-developed offensive skills. But as the season drew to a close, Adonal's improvement was just a minor footnote amid the sturm und drang of a franchise hitting new lows. In April, the Golden State Warriors became the first team in league history to lose 60 or more games for three consecutive years. This is no small feat: Except for the lockout season of 1999, the NBA has played an 82-game schedule for 34 years, and has played 80 or more games for 40 years -- yet no team ever managed such prolonged ineptitude.

But It all ended in 2003:

In June, Adonal continued to stay in shape, playing basketball with several players on the Warriors as well as in the league. But a freak accident halted Adonal's play time and forced him to have arthroscopic knee surgery. Although the surgery was a success, Adonal was left immobalized. He was forced to stay at home for almost a month, isolating himself from simple things like going to the movies and dinners at restaurants. And when he was finally off the crutches, he still couldn't play the sport he loves.

"It's hard to just sit around for three months and not do the things you normally do," Adonal said. "And to not come to (training) camp and be in tip-top shape because of that, it's very frustrating for me. Because I'm one of those people who always comes into camp fully loaded and fully ready to go. It's a little bit of a setback for me. Everybody always says to me 'You'll be alright because you work so hard. This may be a good thing because you're going to come into the season really, really fresh.' I hope that's all true. Because I love this game. And the way I play, I need all the time I'm going to get to condition. So, I'm kind of looking forward to just go back and work on my knees.

But he was back in the 2004 offseason.

It was a very interesting offseason for me. I was fortunate to get my contract situation out of the way relatively quickly and smoothly and thus go directly to training. But you know me, I always have to keep up with the news, whether it's around the world or in the basketball world.

And we all know he worked hard in 2006 offseason!

(Sorry about the mass quotage)

Man, how can you say he does not work hard! Adonal makes an effort to work hard on his game every offseason! Maybe you should read up on your stuff before you go dissing on him like that!

I think the problem is that he is just naturally clumsy. Now you're discriminating on naturally clumsy people!

You also have to point out the fact that his knees aren't the best either.

by Zorgon on Jan 13, 2007 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Ummm...

I wish man. I really do. I've seen all that stuff in the past, but the fact is on the court he hasn't improved one bit. We're not talking about a guy with a Jerry Rice like offseason training regimen.

In 2001 he said he had a jump shot out to 15 feet? HAHA, I've never seen it and it's 2007. It's one thing to gush about what you've done in the offseason, but it's another thing to actually show something on the court. This year's example was Dunleavy saying his previous coaches hadn't used him right. Who cares what some cushy beat writer writes or what say player says in the preseason/ offseason? Put up on the court. That's all that matters. Wins and losses.

My bigger issue is here is that Foyle, Dunleavy, and Murphy are the wrong veterans to surround young guys like Monta, Biedrins, Ike, POB, and Azuibuke as well as future young draft picks with. None of these guys deserved their contracts or have stepped up as leaders this year on the court like Nellie says. Foyle and Dunleavy have gotten way too many undeserved chances to prove themselves. All of these guys were rewarded too much for too little and got complacent once they were rewarded. They set the wrong example for the young guys. It's a losing culture and these guys aren't part of the solution.

by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 13, 2007 2:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm emailing Adonal

and telling him what you said. If he responds, I'll post it in a diary. (wow that sounded girly.)

by Zorgon on Jan 13, 2007 2:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Aw man

I really like the guy tho. Be nice!

by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 13, 2007 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

people have emailed us and posted asking us to be

"stricter about moderating the comments on this site. In the future things like this will be deleted"

Bad decision! give in to the control freaks and you'll lose more than you gain.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 13, 2007 5:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Not about control freaks

It's not about restricting ideas, it's about making sure this stays a family show. That means- no one should ever feel this is an unsafe place to post their ideas or thoughts, BUT they shouldn't feel like this is the place to act a fool- meaning swearing, starting flame wars etc. There's tons of message boards where you go and do that sort of stuff. GSoM is something different. It's a strong community and we want to keep it that way.

But you're exactly right- our aim is NOT to restrict ideas and discussions, it's to eliminate the things that drag the great discussions down.

by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 13, 2007 6:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Not about control freaks

It's exactly about control freaks, They'll come after us first then they come after you if you let them. You can't just support the free speech you agree with, you've got to be strong enough to support the free speech you don't agree with too.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 14, 2007 7:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Free speech

Sorry if I wasn't clear. All ideas are welcome here. Even ones we disagree with of course. We're not restricting free ideas.

What is NOT welcome here is swearing and flame wars. This was intended to be a fun, intelligent place for all ages. That's the style of this site. Always has been and always will be as long as I'm associated with it.

by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 14, 2007 10:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

If we've only had at most 2 bad apples

within a tree of nearly 2 years at this domain, then we're doing just fine I'd say.

I wasn't against "outlawing" anything, just showing the worst of what happened within the past 2 years, which is debatable (BloodSweat&Donuts agreed that those were the worst, even if he disagreed with bringing them up again, no hard feelings- "You can never have too many donuts") and asking for some better/more awareness so we don't have to see that stuff again if at all possible.

by back2back51s on Jan 15, 2007 3:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

just showing the worst of what happened

within the past 2 years, which is debatable

Yes it is. In my mind the worst is right now, Atma letting others tell some of us what we can or can't say. Get a spine Bro !! I don't want to tell others how to talk and I'd like others to extend the same courtesy. Some people just want to control everyone's life and they should be told THAT is unacceptable.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 15, 2007 5:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Huh?

I don't think we're talking about the same thing. I'm not even sure what you're arguing anymore or what you're mad about.

ALL that we're saying is that:

Swearing especially at people is inappropriate here.
Keep it PG-13 at least.

by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 15, 2007 5:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I wasn't one of the one's who e-mailed

and asked for any removal of free speech, or whatever was asked for in those e-mails.

I was just clarifying my position on this issue, in regards to the 1 million hit thread and my comments in there. Sorry for sidetracking this from the original topic of conversation.

Talking about it is much better than holding it in.
I'm glad to know Skeptic's position now as well as Atma's.

by back2back51s on Jan 15, 2007 9:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

you know what we need?

To trade Cohan and Mullin for Mark Cuban. I suppose that wouldn't work well with Nellie as coach though...

by bradyk2 on Jan 13, 2007 12:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

At least

We'd be in the news every day.

by Zorgon on Jan 13, 2007 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The man would answer all 1000

of Baumerworld questions, everyday if he has to!

Crazy yahoo buyout property radio service billionaire.

Running on the court trying to get into fisticuffs.

I'd imagine he'd never do that after the Malice in the Palace, but imagine if it was Dallas and Detroit butting heads and some fan got a piece of Cuban, hmm.... food for thought since I don't want to think abot our 8 healthy man Warrior roster right now.

by back2back51s on Jan 13, 2007 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Oh Man

Lets blame Foyle low numers tonight! No! He played ONE MINUTE, scored 4 points, got a rebound, and after the game everyone screams BUYOUT or HE CONTRIBUTES TO THE LOSING CULTURE.

Based on everyones production per minute, FOYLE should be Warrior wonder.

Oh, and lets say get well soon Mickeal! What about FOYLE! He's injured too! But oh, nobody cares! We need to buy him out! He contributes to the losing culture!

Honestly, screw you guys. Foyle has one good night plus injury and all you can do is rag on him.

My one happiness is that, just to spite Atma, even though about half our team is injured, Dunleavy and Murphy are not.

And yes, lets buy out Dunleavy and Foyle. Now we must sign another D-Leaguer! PRobobly a guard! So we can continue playing Itsy-Bitsy Ball and lose to real teams because we can't compete!

I hate the Warriors more and more every day.

by Zorgon on Jan 13, 2007 12:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

hey Z!...

take a chill pill brotha... take a deep breath... and now, take out your remaining aggression on me in our league game?! where u at? name the time baby... i'm ready.

by gsdubz on Jan 13, 2007 12:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Arrrgh

I said just AIM me at TaoNakamora when you wanna play. If you don't have AIM, just post waht time (and time zone) you want this to happen. I'm open all day....

by Zorgon on Jan 13, 2007 12:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

huh?

My one happiness is that, just to spite Atma, even though about half our team is injured, Dunleavy and Murphy are not.

What's that all about?

by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 13, 2007 12:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

IT means that

Dunleavy and Murphy will be on the floor at the same time, which I know you hate. :)

by Zorgon on Jan 13, 2007 12:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Hahaha

Z ... you're right I was thinking about putting Foyle down as the Warrior Wonder but had to give it to the new kid. Foyle had 4 pts in 1 minute. Thats incredible. Honestly he could have gone for 168 points last night. We should email Nellie right now and tell him Foyle should be our new go to guy!

News just reported that Yao will not play in the AllStar game due to injury next month. I say we put Foyle there in his place! 4 points in 1 minute. Amazing =)

by YaoButtaMing on Jan 13, 2007 12:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Lol

He doesn't need the wonder, I was just angry about how you marked him unproductive, and combined with Murph/Foyle for so many points.

by Zorgon on Jan 13, 2007 12:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

everyone's just frustrated w/ the losing.

and the bleak financial financial future. we're pretty much screwed financially unless we can unload a big contract.

we will probably lose azubuike & barnes as they go the boykins/cardinal route.

as a restricted free agent, we may lose pietrus if any other team offers him a contract.

and in the future, unless cohan is willing to pay the luxury tax, monta & biedrins will be difficult to keep.

also w/ biedrins, when bd & him run pick & roll, teams have started rotating a defender to him when he goes to the basket, opening a cutter to the basket or a shooter for a wide open look. unfortunately everyone just stands still and we don't have any shooters.

so while it works for phoenix w/ nash & amare (shawn marion = cutter, any suns player = shooter), it just wastes time off the 24 second clock for the warriors.

hopefully we find a team willing to take on murphy & his contract. even if it's just for a bad contract w/ less years.

maybe isaiah will help us out and trade for murph & dunleavy for steve francis. then we can ship out francis to a third team for a big man. we can even throw in pob.

by the evil monkey on Jan 13, 2007 12:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Nice observations

so while it works for phoenix w/ nash & amare (shawn marion = cutter, any suns player = shooter), it just wastes time off the 24 second clock for the warriors.

That's a good read. Nice analysis.

maybe isaiah will help us out and trade for murph & dunleavy for steve francis. then we can ship out francis to a third team for a big man. we can even throw in pob.

I don't think Isiah is going to bail out the Warriors. He knows talent and is a shrewd judge of it. His problem is that he overpays everyone. Murphy and Dunleavy are not the uber-talents that would entice Isiah to dish out big bucks.

Also, Isiah is a better GM than Mullin. Yup, I said it.

by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 13, 2007 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

lol

whether it's true or not, the fact that the "who is the worse GM" isaiah or mully can even be debated shows what kind of "vp of basketball operations" or whatever mully is.

yeah, i still hold out hope that some atlantic division team, in a desperate attempt to make the playoffs trades for murph. i just picked isaiah cuz his job pretty much depends on them making the playoffs this yr. and murph might actually fit at pf offensively w/ eddy curry's low post game. even if we take a bad contract like jerome james or malik rose. they make less & have less years than murphy.

by the evil monkey on Jan 13, 2007 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I can't believe I'm doing this..

I don't think Isaiah is a bad GM. If he didn't give out those fat contracts, he might be a pretty good GM. He has drafted a lot of pretty talented guys to his credit.

But if you were arguing who is worse at giving bad contracts between Mully and Isaiah, you might have an interesting debate.

by faybo on Jan 13, 2007 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Uh, no

Isiah is in love with PGs that play like he did, (but more selfishly) and must have them on his team.

Mullin is an average GM who's main flaw is his connection to this old boy network that sometimes forces him to get below-average players (Dunleavy).

by Zorgon on Jan 13, 2007 1:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Indeed

our undersized PF/C farm doesn't compare to their replace Allan Houston with even more expensive guys who are tweener guards/SF's.

At least the rest of the league likes big guys, everybody wants a C.Bosh or D.Howard, except we way overpaid our bigs, who didn't exactly explode into big time big men. Marc Jackson, Big Bux Erick(a), to quote the RadioShaq, Dampier.

Although Murph had a kickass year last two times around, fading in the limelight lately with these constant lineups and trade rumors swirling in his head, with less shots per game for him when Monta/Baron/Barnes chuck it up night after night.

by back2back51s on Jan 13, 2007 3:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Hahaha

nice Radio Shaq reference. I wish he did more ads nowadays, and the Icy Hot commercials are quite dull.

by Zorgon on Jan 13, 2007 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

That's all he can do basically ad wise being out

constantly with knee and leg problems!

Sux to be the man who once said:
"If you don't like me, something must be wrong with you."

Greatest sports quote in my lifetime I'd say.

(A shoe store today had like 50 boxes of Zoom Kobe's out behind the counter stacked high being sent back to Nike, for not selling.)

And the late Bulls championships being riddled with "FUBAR." Also a great acronym I suppose, but not quote.

by back2back51s on Jan 13, 2007 4:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Hate

to call this out, but Minny won last night

by FoyledAgain on Jan 13, 2007 12:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Uuuuggghhh

nice call ... for some reason I thought I saw Memphis win on ESPN highlights. I'll sit in the corner for an hour because of that one!

by YaoButtaMing on Jan 13, 2007 1:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Putting the loss in perspective

OK now that I have gotten a hold of my emotions, I think I have a good explanation for what's been going down. First and foremost, it is imperative (and I am shocked that Yao didn't even reference this), that we accept the fact that B.D. claimed responsibility for losing this game.

See my post

Do NOT forget the fact that he has won every game for us, and coach Nellie has even admitted that. According to B.D., he has been out of it since the holidays, which explains our recent lapse. Don't try to act like Murph or Dun or anybody else has won any of our games. Nellie has even said that sometimes it seems like Baron should just pass to himself! So, having realized that, and having accepted the fact that our season is really on the line with this upcoming home and home batle with the clippers, we start to panic. In all honesty, if Baron doesn't get better, we will lose, and at that point it will be clear that the Warriors really WILL need to find someone else to help win. At this point, I think reality will really hit for Warriors management that they need to get rid of Dun and Murph, because everyone will start to realize that B.D. can't do it ALL on his own.

Then my friends, there is only 1 thing we can be talking about. BUYOUTS. CONTRACT BUYOUTS.

Say it with me everyone "BUY....OUT".

Ain't no way in HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LLLll that someone is going to trade for one of those guys. They SUCK. THEY ARE OVERPAID. WE WILL LOSE GAMES... WE WILL LOSE MONTA ELLIS... WE WILL LOSE MP.... WE WILL LOSE ANDRIS BIEDRINS... AND WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PICK UP ANYONE ELSE.

At the end of the day, it's a matter of deciding, which is better.... paying about $100 million in luxury tax to resign our future and bring in some moderate talent, or paying a lot less to buy out some scrubs?!?!?

THIS IDEA ISN'T OVER, just remember, I predicted it, this is where all topics of conversation is headed.

And P.S., I still have faith in B.D., if his situation is resolved, he'll single handedly keep us around .500 for a few more weeks, but not for the whole season - NO WAY.

by gsdubz on Jan 13, 2007 6:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

how do

buyouts effect the salary cap and luxury tax?? Cause i'm thinking the same thing IF it does not still count against the cap, thus denying you a chance to sign anyone.

Let's Go Oakland! Gas, Brake, Dip.

by OaktownFunk on Jan 13, 2007 8:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

okay so if we were to buyout foyle's contract.....

he has about 30 million left for 3 years. let's say the buyout is for 20 million.

the 20 million is distributed out over the 3 years. how it's distributed depends on how the original contract distributes the salary.

so to make it easy, let's say the original contract has it as
2007-8 is 5 mill.
2008-9 is 10 mill.
& 2009-10, 15 mill.

5 mill is 1/6 of 30 mill. so for 2007-8 foyle will count 1/6th of 20 mill or around 3.333 million on the cap.
in 2008-9 w/ 10 mill being 1/3 of 30 mill. you take 1/3 of 20 mill and foyle counts 6.666 million on the cap.
in the final yr, 2009-10, in our pretend scenario, he makes half his money so on the salary cap he counts as half his buyout price, or 10 million.

by the evil monkey on Jan 13, 2007 9:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

he has about 30 million left for 3 years.

"let's say the buyout is for 20 million."

Why the hell would he do that? He's got a guaranteed 30 mil with free courtside seats now, why would he give back 10 mil and lose the seats? I'd gladly sit there for three years for the extra 10 mil so I can't see any upside for adonal in a buyout. He just needs to settle into a comfortable chair and enjoy the time.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 14, 2007 9:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

that's probably why it didnt happen, but

he'd get waived (as webber did) and after 48 hours (if no one picks him up), he'd become an unrestricte d free agent. now if he gets a 3 yr deal for lets say 12 million, he just picked up 2 million - and he might get to play more.

by the evil monkey on Jan 14, 2007 10:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs