Trade: Dun, Murphy, Diogu, McLeod for Harrington, S. Jackson, Jasikevicius

by Fantasy Junkie on Jan 17, 2007 11:42 AM PST in News Comment 103 comments

ESPN is reporting a Warriors-Pacers trade.

The Golden State Warriors have agreed to trade Troy Murphy, Mike Dunleavy, Ike Diogu and Keith McLeod to the Indiana Pacers for Al Harrington, Stephen Jackson, Sarunas Jasikevicius and Josh Powell, NBA front-office sources tell ESPN.com's Marc Stein.

Thanks to ALX8725 for reporting this in his diary, Dunleavy/Murphy/Diogu/Mcleod GONE

My first impression is that I like this deal a lot. Getting rid of those two contracts is a huge step in the right direction. Plus we bring in 2 superior atheletes. Harrington is top 10 in 3pt percentage. Better defense, more scoring, more athleticism. Nice trade Mullin.

We'll come with some more analysis later. Leave your thoughts and comments.

What do you think? Is this going to get us into the playoffs?

UPDATE 1: Press Release from the Warriors

UPDATE 2: Here is an initial reaction from a Pacers blog, Indy Cornrows.

UPDATE 3: Fantasy Hoops Fallout: What this means fantasy-wise for each of the players.

UPDATE 4: Trade Analysis from ESPN.com's John Hollinger

Update 5:

Whoa! And hallelujah: Warriors dump Dunleavy, Murphy and Diogu to Indiana by Tim Kawakami
The Trade: Chris Mullin, I Take It All Back by Adam Lauridsen on Fast Break
Good riddance to YMCA Boyz by Scott Ostler for SF Chronicle
Big trade shakes up Warriors: Dunleavy, Murphy, Diogu to Pacers for Harrington, Jackson, 2 others by Jannu Hu for SFGate
WTF?: Indiana Pacers by Yay Sports! NBA
Warriors complete huge trade by Marcus Thomspon
Warriors and Pacers to Deal 8 Guys from Hoops and Other Pop Culture
Warriors/Pacers Blockbuster from BMac's Blog

Keep it locked on Golden State of Mind! We got tons in the works as you read this...

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Hmm..

Let me watch a couple of games. I do think it puts us in a better position to take that 8th spot. It also gives us a better chance of winning games now that baron and monta can trade spots, with other people weaving in and out. It gives us a bench. Finally. And not a bench that makes the crowd boo. People are going to get up for this team.

If you take a look out of your windows, you can now see Dallas, TX. Quite the site, no?

by coma on Jan 17, 2007 11:49 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

i think this could work

i'm not a steven jackson fan, and i think harrington might be a bit over rated. but to get rid of dunleavy and murphy (even tho i do like murphy), and more importantly their contracts is real nice. sarunus can shoot, which is something that we need as well. overall i think this is something positive for the team.

by AJC3317 on Jan 17, 2007 11:51 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Trade helps Indy too

They lose on the money, but they fix their problem of being completely overrun at the 3 (which is still one of our problems). Now they have Granger, Daniels and Dunleavy.

They were also in bad need of some size to complement O'Neal and Murphy's a decent fit for that offense. Playing with a true center will help him immensely. Just because we got more talent back in the trade doesn't mean Indiana won't benefit.

by Carney04 on Jan 17, 2007 11:53 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Love it!!

I love it on all counts. I like Murph and Dunleavy, but I don't like their contracts. Diogu disappointed, and most of all, we don't give up Baron, J-Rich, Ellis, Biedrins, or Pietrus.

Love it.

Where have you gone Jud Buechler?

by Chris Gatling on Jan 17, 2007 11:56 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Great trade I think.

We got rid of both of those contracts in the same deal. Will miss Ike. But he just wasnt learning enough for Nellie.

by Athletix Man on Jan 17, 2007 11:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Nellie will be on Fitz radio show on KNBR,

by Athletix Man on Jan 17, 2007 12:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Pacers

I go check out the Pacers site, let's see what they think of the deal:P

by Jacque on Jan 17, 2007 12:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

What a deal - WOW!

Well, the GSoM guys can vouch for me on this one - I emailed them last night and told them that the Pacers among other teams were here to check out POB, but didn't want to go pubic with it because I hate when I put my name to a rumor and it doesn't turn out.

I was still sort of wrong - the Pacer scout spoke with me in regards to POB last night and previously had told me they and other teams had interest in Troy Murphy (remember - you guys told me you'd believe it when you saw it!). I can't confirm this, but I believe POB was supposed to be leaving instead of Ike, but the Warriors knew the Pacers would bite on Ike. I guess POB might get Ike's anemic PT now?

The deal makes a lot of sense for the playoff push and gives the Warriors serious depth when J-Rich returns. The depth chart now looks like:

Davis / Jasikevicius
Ellis / Jackson / Azubuike
Richardson / Barnes
Harrington / Pietrus / Powell
Biedrins / POB / Foyle

Expect Ellis and Jackson in the backcourt at the same time to spell Davis. Jasikevicius will get spot minutes as a shooter.

This deal was great for the Dubs - they got depth and players that better fit their system.

Huzzah!

by pree on Jan 17, 2007 12:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

YES!!!

Warriors get rid of bad contracts and get back better talent - this is a coup!

Nellie - you are the master.

by mokhan on Jan 17, 2007 12:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

LOL

best webpin ever.

by ffgolden on Jan 17, 2007 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Best web pin

Still Notorious POB and Euro Shuffle. This is a close 3rd . . .

by bloodsweatndonuts on Jan 17, 2007 1:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Its a beautiful day

as long as though dont trade J-Rich its beautiful. Sad To see Ike go, but if Harrington and Jackson play tha way they play against tha warriors with us, it will be beautiful.

I love 2 tell tha truth, but I'm such a Good Liar

by JRichIsStillAGodButBiedrinsIsABeast on Jan 17, 2007 12:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Clippers

Very nice trade, but how the hell are we going to win tonight at clippers. Four players are gone, Mcleod is injured, so 3 bodies less. That's baron, azebuike, monta, andris, POB, and the d league guy.
thats 6 players?
Can anyone explain this?
I mean, the traded players aren't going to play their last game as warriors do they?

by Jacque on Jan 17, 2007 12:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Fitz said they will dress like MP2 or Foyle

They wont play but it will meet league min.
Not like Nellie hasnt already this year only used 6 players in a game and that was on purpose.

by Athletix Man on Jan 17, 2007 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Barnesy

You're forgetting Matt Barnes as well.

by TastesLikeBurning on Jan 17, 2007 12:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I think when you can make a deal this big you

juts do it

by Zig on Jan 17, 2007 1:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

to correct you

but mcleod was also part of the trade.

tis is in response to your post:

Four players are gone, Mcleod is injured, so 3 bodies less...

by MANUTEs BOLs on Jan 17, 2007 2:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Warriors got what they needed

Jackson and Harrington are much better post-up players than Murph and Dungleavy. Ike was supposed to be able to do that, but hasn't come around.

Now at the end of games the W's will likely be able to find more ways to score, other than by hoisting up 3's, which has killed them so many times.

Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious.

by Kobe on Jan 17, 2007 12:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

First of all,

the Warriors didn't really get rid of any contracts or gain any cap space - by taking on Jax and Harrington's contracts for Dun and Murph's, we still have to pay out a couple of bad contracts. The difference is that we have more productive players under bad contracts. Money-wise, it was not a good trade for us, but not bad either.

I also wouldn't exactly call this a coup, either. First, we had to give up Ike, which no one seems to be mentioning. In the right system, Ike will be a beast. It's just that he's not a Nelly guy. I guess it had to be done. Just don't be surprised if he ends up an Elton Brand-type somewhere else, and we're dealing with the aftermath of Steven Jackson having just shot a couple people in the stands for throwing nachos at him. Which brings me to my next point -- Jax is psychotic crazy. Who knows what will happen with him. A definite risk, but a good one, in my opinion. And Harrington plays no defense, which wonn't be too much of a problem on this team. Can't be worse than Dun, right? Harrington doesn't really do anything other than score his 16 points a night, actually. He doesn't rebound well, or defend, or post up, or shoot from the outside particularly well. But he does run, which will be nice.

Dun and Murph might just work out for the pacers. They wanted Murph and Ike last year, and now they got it. With O'Neil always getting double teamed down low, he'll be able to kick it out to Murph for wide-open mid-range shots all day long. And thats his game at its best.

I'm psyched to have Jasikevicious, too. A legit backup pg who can really shoot and is 90% on FT's is always a good thing.

I can't wait to see this team play (hopefully tonight). I'm not going to say this makes them a playoff team yet, but if they have an above .500 record the next 8-10 games, that will be a very good sign.

Finally hoops hope in the City Of Dope?

by oaklandish on Jan 17, 2007 12:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

they did save cap space

3rd year its like 3 million 4th year its 5 million and 5th year its 20 million.

by Athletix Man on Jan 17, 2007 12:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, but...

Dunleavy ($7.4) and Murphy ($8.2) both have 5 years left.

Harrington ($7.6) has 3 years left and Jax ($6.1) has 4 years left.

They are cheaper and have shorter contracts.

I agree with all your other points, especially about Diogu's potential and Jax's insanity. He plays D and can shoot though.

by TastesLikeBurning on Jan 17, 2007 12:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It's true

I didn't realize the contracts were for a year less than Dun's and Murph's. Not exactly a salary dump, but saving a little money while getting rid of those jokers is great. All in all, I really do like the trade. And maybe by getting Jackson, the Warriors will finally start playing well like they were at the beginning of the season. I feel like they never really recovered after Jax hit that 3 with like a second left to beat us early in the season. Now we're cleansed of that cause he's with us!

Finally hoops hope in the City Of Dope?

by oaklandish on Jan 17, 2007 12:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The timing on that is

so we can sign Beidrens and Ellis

by Zig on Jan 17, 2007 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Agree and disagree

I agree that Jackson is a headcase, but a headcase that can score. The problem is that Jackson is now in "The Town". There's plenty of half cocked, loose cannons here that will not hesitate to put some lead into Jackson.
My brother predicts that Jackson is going to get himself shot pulling that crazy-a$$ s##t here. He needs to get focused and be a consistent threat ON court and not OFF of it.
As for Harrington, this team is a perfect fit for him, he can run the floor, and defend pretty well. While not exactly a force on the boards, he's physical and will get about 8-10 a night here. If he comes with 16ppg and 8-10 Rodman's I'm a happy camper. I think Powell is underrated in this trade, he's athletic, can score and can run the floor.
This trade is a definite upgrade, and it's being shaped into a Nellie type of team. Punch those playoff tickets now people!

by goldenstatefan on Jan 17, 2007 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

If he does get himself

killed that means his salary is off our books?

I could go for that

by Zig on Jan 17, 2007 1:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

you are missing 3-5

years out

Even if the new players are unproductive this is a good deal for the Warriors as they have a good cahnce to sign their young guys

by Zig on Jan 17, 2007 1:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Nellie is on KNBR now

by Athletix Man on Jan 17, 2007 12:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Great Move!!

The Warriors get rid of the bandana brothers in Murph and Dun. I think Don Nelson helped Murphy and Dunleavy's stock go up a bit hence they were able to sell. They get Harrington who is a super threat. Strokes the 3, hits jumpers, bangs inside, gets rebounds...great fit with Andris. Though Andris' scoring may go down but that's ok right? Sarunas backs up Baron. Sarunas plays well in half court sets. Stephen Jackson has always been solid in my mind since his days as a Spur. Stephen always lit up Golden State. Huge upgrade over Roberson and DaJuan combined. Jackson can also play the 3 and is helpful now that J-Rich and MP are still hurt. POB is back and maybe they will suit up Zarko?? Starting 5: Baron, Monta, Barnes or Jackson, Harrington and Andris. Healthy playoff worth 5:Baron, J-Rich, MP, Harrington and Andris with Monta, Barnes, Jackson, Sarunas, POB, etc off the bench. WOWOWEEE!!

by j richmark on Jan 17, 2007 12:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

P.S.

Diogu needed to go because to get somebody you need to give up as well. No secret Indiana wanted Diogu last year and they would have shipped Artest to do it. Warriors would have been a playoff team last year in my mind had that happened. O well. New mission and they accomplished as far as personnel. Nellie was brought in to give credibility to its players and it worked as far as selling off Murphy, Dunleavy and Diogu. Diogu was solid and he was available. Andris exceeded expectations and he's the untouchable. The Warriors can't keep all their youngins. So I now wonder what's the plan on "Operation Foyled."

by j richmark on Jan 17, 2007 12:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

dude

this is going to be great, on the serious.

by djchuckdeez on Jan 17, 2007 12:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I am Coach Barry

and I approve this trade.

The Warriors WILL make the playoffs, this year!

" Sleepy Floyd is Superman!!!"

by CoachBarry on Jan 17, 2007 12:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

dunleavy is calling nellie while he's on air

They said take the call. He was all nah I will call him back.

by Athletix Man on Jan 17, 2007 12:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Nellie basically said.

It makes them better now and the future.
He is very ellated about the trade.
They asked him about tonight's game, he said he didnt care, he just cares about the trade right now.
Jackson and Al are naturel players, will learn the system quickly.
They asked about Baron. Nellie said he is great and his new best friend.

by Athletix Man on Jan 17, 2007 12:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

My gut reaction:

AWESOME.

One might have cause to then think: wow, the W's just traded their only two power forwards, receiving none in return. But then again, Murph and Ike were barely playing anyway, and we were getting by with Pietrus and Barnes at PF, so I guess that's a moot point. This trade undoubtedly helps our team. It may very well work out for the Pacers as well talent-wise and chemistry-wise, but damn, they just took some mega-contracts. Thanks Larry!

by ffgolden on Jan 17, 2007 12:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Wow

I am happy. Seriously, this gets rid of a lot of problems. Not all, but a lot. We should really be energized by this change, and take this team to the playoffs. When J-rich comes back, this team will have so much depth! Baron to Harrington, Baron to Jackson, Baron to J-rich! so many combinations!

by tadams1080 on Jan 17, 2007 12:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

On his radio show:

Fitz is crazy happy about getting Sarunas Jasikevicius in the trade.

by Athletix Man on Jan 17, 2007 12:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I think Nelson is playing

coy but he likes the guy

I can't really recall his game but he must be an upgrade over McCloud and he can shoot free throws apparently

by Zig on Jan 17, 2007 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

He instantly becomes

the 2nd best Sarunas in GSW history (by my count).

Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious.

by Kobe on Jan 17, 2007 1:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

HELLLLLLLLLLLL YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

i can't believe we were able to dump both dunny and murphy in one deal!!!!!!!!!!!

amazing!!!!!!!!! i would've liked to keep ike, but he wasn't doing anything anyways....now we still need an inside presence to help out AB and we're legit....hells YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

the crowning achievement of ira newble's illustrious career

by JudBooshlur on Jan 17, 2007 12:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

all part of the master plan

gotta love the way nellie operates. he doesn't feel shackled by contracts or what others may think. he instituted his game philosophy and rewarded players who produced within that plan. now, after a respectable amount of time for evaluation, he made his move...and again, he doesn't care about whether this makes past moves look bad or whatever...he just wants to put together a team that he can win with.

i trust nellie....and from what i can tell...this is gonna be fun!!!

by TMC Forever on Jan 17, 2007 1:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Nice~

So that's why they recalled O'Bryant and got that Major guy. I never thought the Warriors would be able to trade their contracts, guess I was wrong. Very wrong, indeed.

by semarubaka on Jan 17, 2007 1:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

there will be a sharp increase in attendance now

by Athletix Man on Jan 17, 2007 1:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

wow

where can I pick up my Al Harrington jersey?

by tadams1080 on Jan 17, 2007 1:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

neutral trade effect.

Not sure that this makes them better, but it probably doesn't make them worse. Harrington is grossly overrated. He's been a lousy +/- guy more or less every year he's been on the league including performances on both good and bad teams. He's either a PF who doesn't rebound well or a SF who can't pass and at neither position is his FG% indicative of a guy who gives you a huge boost.If he and Jackson are better 'post up' guys, they don't demonstrate it with better FG%. Per minute we give up a ton of rebounds and assists, gain turnovers, sacrifice a bit on FG % and get back only a touch in scoring. Jackson and Harrington better be dynamite defenders else this deal isn't going to improve the team much if any. They were traded because they were part of the problem in Indy and we shouldn't look past that.

This is not a defense of Murphy or Dunleavy, but this trade started with two teams saying "you think YOU have problems" and proceeding from there.

by jae on Jan 17, 2007 1:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Finally

...a reasonable perspective. 80 percent of the people on here, according to the front page poll, think this makes us a playoff team. As a longtime Dubs fan, that's embarrassing.

by Carney04 on Jan 17, 2007 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Hey Jae

I used to post on the Utne board as Ivan the Terrible. Let me know if you guys are all at a different board now--I haven't been able to find you.

Your analysis of the stats is poignant as always. But I think it's also important to look at possessions and shot attempts per game. GS takes 84.8 attempts per game, while Ind takes 79.3. Their slower paced game is going to directly affect these players' rebounding and scoring totals. FG% could also be a worry, but those numbers also tend to go up when a faster-paced game is played, because of the transition opportunities. And hell, if Murphy's and Dunleavy's FG%s are low in this style of play, I am not certain how well they're going to do in Indy--they better hit their outside and mid-range shots...

by ffgolden on Jan 17, 2007 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Utne Board

Hi Ivan,

We're still there at Utne, but they've changed their address to "newcafe.org." Most of the folk are still there and our political thread occasionally even mentions basketball. The board seems to be down for the last hour or so.

by jae on Jan 17, 2007 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Agree with JAE

I've never seen Harrington defend anyone, and he's not a good rebounder. Jackson is and always will be a nut case, a ball hog and pure death in the locker room. (Maybe the W's think he'll be convicted of the pending felony charges -- beating the guy in the wheelchair and shooting his gun outside the night club -- and they can dump his salary then.) "Cabbage" can't defend, and may be the slowest player in the league (Dun can run circles around him), and he needs to be set and open to shoot, since he lacks any ability to drive.

I like shucking the long term contracts, but will miss Dun's "sixth man" strengths and his savvy for knowing how the game should be played. Clearing Murph's K is nothing but sweet, and Ike would never cut it under Nellie (tho he may well flourish in the East). Keith had no future -- and now I see why they kept him: to make a trade work, dollar wise.

Well, mixing up this stew can't be bad, but BD really has his work cut out for him, because Jax, in particular, will be hard to control -- and no one in Indy seems to feel the Pacers did anything but improve by getting rid of him. As Forrest might say: "Streaking is as streaky does."

by johnl on Jan 17, 2007 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

S/B "Streaky is as streaky does"

by johnl on Jan 17, 2007 1:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Front Court Depth

I LOVE THIS TRADE!!! My only concern is our front court depth now. Looking at the depth chart, the only PF we have is Al Harrington (and he's more of a tweener). We can continue to play Barnes out of position at the 4, but it would be nice to have a real PF there. Also, we have no one to back up Biedrins other than O'Bryant now that foyle is hurt. and from what i've seen of him so far, he is not even close to ready. I think we need to find a way to trade for a back up PF/C type. Or just find another hidden gem in the d league.

by cmikepee on Jan 17, 2007 1:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Next trade!

Jackson better not try to drag Dris and Monta to strip clubs. He better not even try and feed alcohol to Dris and POB, who aren't 21 yet.

**Next move before the trade deadline...**
Jackson ($6.12M) to Clippers
Maggette ($7M) to Warriors

by unblinded on Jan 17, 2007 1:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Crazy trade...

It works out for the Warriors cap wise... and we do get more productive players, but heres my two cents:

Pros:

First things first: FREE THROW SHOOTING! Harrington isn't as good in this department but he's as good as Dunleavy from the line. Jackson and Jasikevicius should improve our ft% drastically so this is a big pro.
We were trying to get Harrington in the offseason for approximately $50 to $60 mil over 4-5 years, and now we get him for around $35 mil over 4 years. This is HUGE! Sure... I believed that Harrington was HIGHLY OVERRATED in the offseason because he was asking for big money, but at $35 mil he's just right! For those who don't like this move should focus in on this alone. We're basically giving up Murphy ($50 mil over 5 years) who is a perimeter player who is a good rebounder but slow and leaves his defensive assignment to get rebounds for Harrington who is a perimeter player, rebounds decently but runs the floor and does stick to his man (even though his defense is sketchy at best)
Jasikevicius!!! This guy is a solid shooter. Although he is a little on the short side he reminds me so much of Sarunas Marcellinus (sp?). He is a hard nosed, certified outside shooter who runs the floor well. Diogu's potential for Jasikevicius seems like a fair exchange to me.
Dunleavy's finally gone!!! Man... Now I gotta admit, I was finally warming up to him because he has been pretty good off the bench, but the inconsistency has been and will probably always be a problem. He's basically a role player getting starters pay, which is always all bad.
Cap relief. I'd love to see Beans, Monta AND Pietrus get long term contracts along with Barnes... and this move gives them more flexibility to do so without going over the cap.

Cons:

Diogu's gone. I absolutely loved this guy and his potential. The thing that totally grabs me about this is... we could have drafted Leon Powe, who is a mirror image of Diogu, but Mullin didn't bite because he didn't want another undersized power forward. If only we could redo the 2006 draft all over again... if only...
Stephen Jackson is a head case. Man... it's Sprewell 2.0!! Jax is a defensive minded guy who can hit the trey as well as run the floor... if that doesn't remind you of the "Spree for THREEE" games then you haven't been a Warriors fan for that long. But to quote the pound for pound best boxer in the world Manny Pacquiao, "With great power comes great responsibility!" and I guess if anyone can control him its Nelson... hopefully Spree 2.0 wont turn into a selfish player/headache once he gets relegated to bench duty when Richardson gets back in March.

That's about all I see... GO WARRIORS!

by mightymadskillz on Jan 17, 2007 1:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

interesting pros and cons.

Harrington is only a decent rebounder if you consider him a SF. As a PF, he's well below average as a rebounder. Since he's been primarily a PF this year, his rebounding numbers are rather weak. He's worth his contract in comparison to Dunleavy and Murphy, but overall, even at the price he comes, he's overpaid for his marginal contribution.

Jackson is a career 33% shooter from beyond the arc, hitting below that this year. I don't think I'd classify him as someone who can 'shoot the three' since that's below the league average.

by jae on Jan 17, 2007 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Pac

Pacquiao is a hell of a basketball player. That's where he gets his conditioning for his boxing.

by j richmark on Jan 17, 2007 2:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

ill miss you diogu

diogu i wish you the best and now there will be an empty space in my heart that will never be filled =[

by chimp on Jan 17, 2007 1:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Harrington

Harrington is shooting over 45% from behind the arc. His rebounds aren't that bad if you consider his frontcourt mates, JO and Foster, are both monsters on the boards and that takes away from his rebounding numbers.

by gsw4life on Jan 17, 2007 1:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Harrington's problems.

Blaming Harrington's failures on the glass on ONeal and Foster doesn't really wash. Harrington's rebounds weren't any better when he was paired with tweedle dee and tweedle dumb in Atlanta. Further, if his total was merely because other players got those rebounds first, you wouldn't expect them to have better rebounding rates when he's off the floor, but over the last two years, when he's been in the game, his team has come up with fewer of the available rebounds (and scored fewer points) than when he's been trying to keep the bench from defying gravity.

Harrington may be shooting that high from beyond the arc, but when the Warriors problems have been interior scoring, I'm not sure that another forward camping out to hit the 3 is what we really want.

by jae on Jan 17, 2007 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

anyone

an ESPN Insider? Can paraphrase Hollingers take on the trade? Although after reading his headline, "Pacers may hit home run in long run", I am reluctant to listen to his drivel. The only thing the Pacers gained in the "long run" is an additional year at HUGE dollars for a couple of mediocre nba bench players.

Let's Go Oakland! Gas, Brake, Dip.

by OaktownFunk on Jan 17, 2007 1:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

his main point...

Hollinger is saying that Diogu is going to be really really good. Nobody is talking about Diogu, but that's the guy the Pacers really wanted and the guy the Warriors didn't want to give up seeing that the Warriors didn't trade him last year for Artest.

Hollinger is big on the PER (player efficiency rating) and Ike had the highest of any of the players. Ike's 48 minute projections are like 22 points, 11 boards.

That was the main point of the article. He believes the others are short term help while Ike could be the best player of them all in the long run.

by Fantasy Junkie on Jan 17, 2007 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

possible

esp. since he now plays in the leastern conference and doesnt have to deal as many big men as he would in the west.

but while i see how dun & murph mesh w/ jermaine, ike's would seem to clash w/ it. anyways we'll get a good idea in a few games.

by the evil monkey on Jan 17, 2007 2:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

He basically is saying...

Diogu's PER is better than everyone else in the trade and that years down the road it will be remembered as the "Ike Diogu Trade." I like Hollinger's stats sometimes, but his argument is kinda silly. He notes Diogu's per 40 minutes stats, which is dumb because he's only been playing 1/3 of that..he says Diogu's 22 points and 11.5 rebounds/ per 40 mins. is far better than anyone else in the trade..(haha about 6 1/2 fouls too..oops!)..but yea, just seems like a rush job on a more complex issue. He doesn't even take into consideration the fact that A.H. and S.J.'s numbers suffer because they are on a halfcourt style team.

RIP mAC dRE aka aNDrE mACAsSi aka MuHaMMeD I-E aka pILL cLinToN

by jmefrisco on Jan 17, 2007 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm a Pacer Fan Now

This trade is some big sh!t. Cya guys later.

by Zorgon on Jan 17, 2007 2:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

And I hope your team gets in a huge brawl

and get themselves kicked out of the league. I can't stand this bad desision making. I hope Foyle gets released from that hell-house, he deserves better.

by Zorgon on Jan 17, 2007 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

WTF?

LOL
:/

by Jacque on Jan 17, 2007 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

foyle

we kept foyle, i think thats a plus

did you like murphy, or funleavy, or diogu, or mcleud

and i am not worried about stephen jackson, he has the media watching, so he'll be on his best behavior

by badnamedwarriorfan on Jan 17, 2007 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I am

these guys are nutcases. Lets run down who I still like on the Warriors:

Foyle
Cabarkapa
POB

I'll cheer for them tonight, as it will be the last game of the old Warriors. After that, I can't really find it in my heart to cheer for Stephen Jackson or Al Harrington.

by Zorgon on Jan 17, 2007 3:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

oh

personally i chear for the team, not the players

besides foyle will hopefully play tonight

score 150 points

average 150 ppg from now on and be the best player ever

by badnamedwarriorfan on Jan 17, 2007 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

We've had a crazy guy before in

Latrell Feedwell. And who knows how long Jackson stays around? Will we trade him for Corey Maggete or a more viable power forward?

We look like a SG/SF farm or stock now.

Sorry to see you get soo worked up Zorgon, but burning bridges is not a cool way to go out.

This really is a trade that helps both teams and I wish the best for Ike, Murphy, Dunleavy, and McCleod.

by back2back51s on Jan 17, 2007 4:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

IT's not

but I really can't root for this team anymore after tonight. I really hope those guys go away for better stuff, or at least, Stephen Jackson.

Needless to say, I'll be rooting for the Pacers in the east. I'm not gonna go out and buy their gear or anything, but you know what I mean.

I'll still watch the Warriors and hope that someone fails a physical (preferrably Mcloed or other guy from Indiana, the most irrelevant parts of the trade) just to spite everyone here. I really hope the team regrets this trade.

by Zorgon on Jan 17, 2007 4:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'd like to think most of us

appreciate the time and work Murph and Dun put in, but we have to be realists and know it didn't work out.

It wasn't their fault the contracts were above par and always clouded their play as not being up to par.

It happens all the time in the NBA. $100s of millions went to Juwan Howard, Chris Webber, Big Shaq in his declining years, etc.

I'd think they would rather produce and have a chance at playing well than be in a constant doghouse of trade rumors, and in Dun's case, not get booed no matter what he did.

If YaoButta doesn't want johnl to leave after the trade, I hope you don't leave in the same vein.

This isn't the worst Warrior trade ever, and you can remain a fan of a player, even long after they leave your team.

Jamison will always be a Warrior to me.

by back2back51s on Jan 17, 2007 4:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I guess

But I'll never cheer for Stephen Jackson. Ever.

by Zorgon on Jan 17, 2007 5:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Harrington

Al Harrington averanges 16 points a game.
I think that will go up to about 22 this first month, because he is playing alongside baron. Baron will feed him, and he is a consistent shooter.
BTW, I say that the Warriors are going to wil tonight. If you don't believe me, I gonna laugh at all of you:P.

by Jacque on Jan 17, 2007 2:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

LOVE IT

Fantastic move, harrington is better than murph, jackson is better than dunleavy and jasikevicius is equal to mcleud

diogu just didnt fit in unfoturnatley, hes the only loss, but we get a huge upgrade

is jaskievicious an expiring deal too?

how long does jackson have?

by badnamedwarriorfan on Jan 17, 2007 2:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I would say

jasikevicius is an upgrade to McCloud at the back up Point Guard spot on Offense though McCloud is a better defender

by Zig on Jan 17, 2007 2:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

4 more years of Jackson

unless he gets a 2-3 year deal in the Indiana Penal League.

Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious.

by Kobe on Jan 17, 2007 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I like the trade

But I don't think it's super or anything for us. I'm happy to be rid of Dunleavy and I don't think Murphy was ever going to fit into our system. I hate losing Diogu, for pretty much the same reasons Hollinger does, but I think Hollinger is too reliant on PER as a predictive stat. It's really not predictive at all, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Harrington up his production a lot for the Dubs. Jackson I'm not big on, but he'll contribute some and I like Sarunas as a shooting presence a lot.

The big thing in this trade is whether Harrington will play like he did last season (I don't think he will, but I think he'll approach it) and whether Ike becomes more Elton Brand or more above averagish (I'd say more above averagish.)

by jonathan on Jan 17, 2007 2:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Lol

wasn't Stephen Jackson the guy who shot into the air at a strip club?

Should be interesting

-Crypt0naut

by Crypt0naut on Jan 17, 2007 2:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Sarunas

replaces Murphy as my favorite player

-Crypt0naut

by Crypt0naut on Jan 17, 2007 2:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

and

I never liked Barnes

Sorry, we should dump him, his decision making seems really really really...not good

-Crypt0naut

by Crypt0naut on Jan 17, 2007 2:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

works for both teams

i think some media members dont like this for W's because they see a 15-11 guy in murph and dont like us getting rid of him, but he plays NO defense, neither does dunleavy, i mean isnt he our third SF now

SF: Barnes, Pietrus, Dunleavy

thats not too good

we got harrington CHEAPER than if we did over the offseason, which is a nice benift

anyone know who Josh Powell is, never heard of him....

by badnamedwarriorfan on Jan 17, 2007 2:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

we have loyal fans

Perhaps a change of scenery can rescue Dunleavy's career. Even the incredibly loyal Warriors fans at Oracle Arena have booed him loudly and regularly this season.

by badnamedwarriorfan on Jan 17, 2007 2:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Breaking down the trade

Here's a breakdown of the salary and stats of the players in the trade.

Key Points:

Cap Room: frees up 30M over the next 5 years
Scoring: 4 new guys average 39.1 PPG, 4 old guys averaged 32.8 PPG
Depth: Harrington/Jackson are starting-quality players. What's more Nellie has already said he'll start Harrington whereas we know he wasn't going to start Murphy/Dunleavy
Rebounding: we give about 3 boards/game with this trade
FT%: with the exception of Powell, who probably won't play a lot of minutes, this should give us a boost from the stripe
Toughness: other people have said it already - these guys will bring the toughness we've been missing in the paint
Mullin won't have to resign in shame over the Dunleavy/Murphy contracts!

by EternalWarriorsOptimist on Jan 17, 2007 2:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

awesome

spreadsheet optimist. Can you believe Murph makes more than Harrington per year and has an extra year? Same for Dunleavy vs. Jackson?
Guys, again...what has Diogu EVER done? I am definitely not worry about the loss..matter of fact I'm pretty sure if we did that draft over again we would have another pacer on our squad, Danny Granger.

Let's Go Oakland! Gas, Brake, Dip.

by OaktownFunk on Jan 17, 2007 3:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Not that I had to make a spreadsheet

to know it was an awesome trade. I was just curious about the numbers. I still don't know how Mullin swung this one. Maybe he challenged Larry Bird to a game of 1-on-1 with the loser having to take Dunleavy's contract...

by EternalWarriorsOptimist on Jan 17, 2007 3:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

were we robbed?

Ignore the visceral "we got rid of Dun and Murphy" rejoicing for a second. Statistically speaking, we were robbed in this trade.

Adding up scoring averages for the guys in and out doesn't reflect the minutes played. The 39ppg coming in reflects more time on the court. If Harrington and Jackson play more minutes than Dun and Murphy did, they'll be taking away from another player we have and you need to subtract that as well. The real gain in scoring when you adjust for minutes played is about 2 points a game. The cumulative increase in FT% is pretty minimal too. The guys we send out were 207 for 264 (78.4%) and in exchange, we get back guys who hit 259 of 323 (80.2%). That's better, but only marginally. Harrington's not terribly good at getting to the line either. A forward playing 33.6 mpg who can't get to the line 3 times a game has something wrong with him. Does he really have any "toughness"?

On the boards, we give up a ton. In 800 more minutes, the incoming Indy guys pulled down 40 fewer rebounds. They played more, rebounded less. Similarly (and I was shocked to find this out) we give up blocked shots and steal, both total and per minute. Not a good sign. Per minute, we also sacrifice assists. We do however gain turnovers, not that this is a good thing.

Harrington, for his build and appearance, was essentially the same rebounder that Dun was. "Toughness in the paint" is subjective and if it doesn't result in more rebounds (and in Harrington's case, it hasn't) or a better FG% (and again, Harrington's isn't really impressive for a guy playing PF alongside a talented guy like O'Neal who will draw a doubleteam), I'm not sure what value that "toughness" has. He's grossly overrated and if he and Jackson play like they did in Indy, we're not going to be any better.

by jae on Jan 18, 2007 10:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

nice spreadsheet

that was pretty useful, thanks

will we have enough players for the Clippers game, dont we have like 5 players now?

will these guys be in uniform for our next one after the clips?

by badnamedwarriorfan on Jan 17, 2007 3:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

im gonna miss ike

but it hasnt really worked out too well with him so far. im happy to get rid of murphy and Dun and while i liked mcloud, he doesn't really make much of a difference so basically all we lost was ike and we were able to rid ourselves of murphleavy.

If someone were to ask me if we could dump murphleavy and there contracts but also dump ike i definately would have considered it but now we get to do that and get 4 nice players in return it was a no brainer. i think al harrington will be very good, not a hugh steve jackson fan but he could work out nicely as well. sounds like that point gaurd ... can't spell his name is solid and a good shooter. we need that. and the powell kid is a 6 9 foward i hear he's athletic. its good cuz we need another big man cuz we lost ike and we definately need more athleticism which this trade gives us. While ike may join the list of players with Larry Hughes, Gilbert Arenas, Antawn Jamison...imagine a lineup with these guys, beidrins, monta, jason.... wow even if we just had gilbert back.... anyway im getting off track . overall i am very happy with the trade. to get rid of murphleavy, and to shake things up. and to pick up some nice players.

by travisl212 on Jan 17, 2007 3:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

we now NEED a big defensive-minded PF

pietrus for mcdyess or Nazr Mohammed?

pietrus for ely and a lotto-protected #1?

as much as I love him, he was the odd man out amongst the "big 3" due for contract extensions, and jacksons arrival all but assures that he's gonna be the one walking this offseason. so why not trade him now while his value is still high both as a young asset and as an expiring contract?

by BimboColes on Jan 17, 2007 3:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

mcdyess on the block

according to jim rome, if teh pistons sign webber, they will most likely need to rid themselves of mcdyess, but he makes like 7 mill a year, its hard to match

nazr makes like 5.5 mil a year so pietrus isnt enough

either would be allrihgt

nazr wouldnt work though, he wants to go to a place where he can start, and that wont happen here

pg. baron
sg. jrich
sf. barnes
pf harrington
c biendrins

mcdyss would fit though

just how can we get up the salary, send foyle away?

by badnamedwarriorfan on Jan 17, 2007 3:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Could I be anymore happy?

I really do believe this will help us get into the playoffs. Having an offense threat of Jackson and the three point accuracy of Harrington will do wonders. Both of them are very good on D which will help because i think we are "lacking" in that department.

SO EXCITED my friends ... this is a great day. I just hope JohnL will remain a GSoM member!!

by YaoButtaMing on Jan 17, 2007 3:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

great move

so what if diogu takes off in 3 years and murphy goes back to a double double average. this team was stuck and the management made some moves to try and propel us forward. i've been freakin' excited all day about the new warriors and based on all the chatter so is every other w's fan. even if jackson doesn't pan out at all we're free of murphy and dunleavy who weren't cutting it and probably wanted out just as bad as we wanted them gone. thanks to mullin for not sitting on his hands and actually making some moves! like nelson said on his KNBR interview, the future looks better and so does right now!

by redape on Jan 17, 2007 3:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

WOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Wow, what a deal! I'm not a fan of Stephen Jackson the person, but man, Harrington and Jackson as players are miles ahead of Dun and Murph! GREAT MOVE!!!