Rumor: Warriors Trying to Deal for Nazr Mohammed
As if we all weren't amped up enough from today's blockbuster trade between the Warriors and Pacers, we just got word that the Warriors aren't done dealing and are making a big push for Pistons' center Nazr Mohammed. Matt Barnes would likely be part of the deal, but with his small salary there's sure to be another Warrior player included. The Dubs seem like they're cleaning house. We'll keep you posted with whatever we hear...
Do you think Nazr Mohammed would help the Warriors in the middle?
99% of rumors never happen, but 99% of them are fun to talk about!
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Dude
by the optimus dime on Jan 17, 2007 7:52 PM PST reply actions
Find another team
BTW, you're also not funnay AT ALL
by jgodoski on Jan 17, 2007 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
hmm
by tadams1080 on Jan 17, 2007 8:01 PM PST reply actions
source?
would u guys be more willing to trade pietrus for Mohammad or maybe get something a bit better than Nazr?
by BimboColes on Jan 17, 2007 8:06 PM PST reply actions
It's from one of our sources
by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 17, 2007 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
funny
;)
put ur money where ur mouth is atma!
OK
We also clearly note on EVERY rumor we post if the source is ours or if it's from someone else. Unlike RealGM or ESPN, we don't try to pass off rumors and insider info that's from someone else as our own work.
Don't blame us or get mad at us- we don't make anything up. We have no interest in doing so, nor nothing to gain.
Last night one of our sources tipped us that something could go down with the Pacers today as well as with a few other teams, but we didn't get any specific that was worth posting. Thank god something specific actually materialized today though!
by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 17, 2007 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
I gotta stand up for the community on this one...
I mean, I see you guys all the time asking for sources of other members' gossip, so shouldn't you be following your own advice?
And to come on here AFTER the trade and say that a SOURCE had hinted it was going down is just TOTALLY uncalled for man... you guys are always going to be my source for all news, even if it wasn't you personally that posted it first it was your site that most of us got the good news from!
I hope you understand me better, but even if you don't, I love you man.
No thing man
If the rumor isn't ours, we're always crystal clear about it and say where it's from, link to it, and quote it instead of paraphrasing it. We encourage everyone in the community to do the same if they got the rumor from somewhere else. But of course if they were anonymously tipped on a rumor and their source wants anonymity, we're not going to expect them to name their source.
Again, we have no need nor interest to make stuff up. This is one of the most heavily trafficked hoops blogs around- and it's about the Warriors of all teams! Rumors are just a small part of what we do here.
Like you know- we're not like some apathetic media. We're Warriors fans and we want to see this team do well more than anything.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 17, 2007 11:22 PM PST up reply actions
Hmm.
by oaklandish on Jan 18, 2007 3:20 AM PST up reply actions
Again
Not much I can say, but our sources are as legit as theirs. They report what they hear from unnamed sources all the time. At least we have the integrity to credit other people when we're allowed, unlike a lot of others in the industry.
Definitely, we link to every rumor we can as well, but if someone asks us for anonymity- all we can do is protect their right.
It helps the community because they stay up to date with the very latest. Would you rather us not share what we hear? Now that wouldn't be fun.
That's holding us to a different standard than your local papers, etc. Why? Unlike them we at least make it clear that it's just a rumor. And unlike them we don't pass off inside info that isn't ours as our own work. And unlike them we are critical of every single rumor. 99% of them never happen and there's a reason.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 18, 2007 8:34 AM PST up reply actions
Why to a different standard?
There are a lot of great sports blogs out there. I found this one because I'm a member of another SB Nation blog - McCovey Chronicles (Giants). What I like so much about that site is that the guy who runs it - Grant - makes it a point to just be another fan/poster along with everyone else. He simply brings up points/writes great (and CITED/LINKED) posts to start discussions, and lets them go from there. If he began posting rumors from unnamed and supposedly'solid' sources, everyone would be up in arms! It simply takes away from the community feel. If we don't all have the same info available, or at least think we don't, how can we be expected to have a fair conversation?
Furthermore, many publications at least site their sources somewhat, as to make them seem more credible. When ESPN or anywhere else posts something like "a league source told us blah blah blah" it sounds like total BS! A league source? Who gives a crap? But at least when we hear something from an 'unnamed western conference scout' or an 'annonymous GM' we know that, barring plagiarism, we are getting info from a real live person who is probably pretty informed. When you just say 'one of our soureces' there is such a wide range of possible credibility that it makes it impossible for us to know how seriously to take it, or really how to approach it at all.
by oaklandish on Jan 18, 2007 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
exactly!
there's no way for us to quantifiably discern the difference between random rumors from anyone and the one's you post? We're all supposed to just be fans in this together. The job of moderator seems like it's more of an organizing position held by someone with good writing skills and a passion for the team. When you begin to separate yourself so much from the regualr posters here, it sort of alienates us.
lol...hilarious, but really well put.
Good points
I honestly wouldn't mind as long as the person was being honest and not making up stuff. Maybe that's just me.
I want to be clear that 90% of the rumors we post we link to and reference a source. That should be 100% clear.
Excellent point. From now on if we have an anonymous source we'll make sure to cite a real live person (e.g. a Western Conference scout, GM, etc). Thanks for the advice.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 18, 2007 6:44 PM PST up reply actions
Sounds good.
by oaklandish on Jan 18, 2007 6:59 PM PST up reply actions
Well ..
So I have to weigh if it is worth it. Do I put it all on the line so you hear something before it happens?
Sorry, but I don't have the stones to do that because I can't trust any source to that point, not even decision makers and GMs. I lost trust for GMs at the draft, when I was told of a promise to a player from a team by that team's GM. When it came their chance to pick, their guy was on the board and ... they selected someone else. But what about the promise? I asked the GM and he said something that I can't repeat on this family show. So what did I do instead of saying that this Pacer deal was going down? In my very first post here on Sunday I wrote:
With respect to how much some of them are paid, executives I've spoken to feel Murph is paid reasonably. A deal involving him can still get done. Chicago rumors surfaced a few weeks ago, were shot down by a Chicago source, and then came up again. There were whispers of other teams, but I haven't substantiated them and don't want to be a rumor monger.
Foyle is immovable. Doubt he moves anywhere despite the Warriors' best efforts. Dunleavy can still be moved, too, but a lot of people still think he can do better in this system, unlike Murph who looks lost and is in a bad mood.
Was I being unclear and vague? Of course, but I didn't have enough sources telling me to tell you who the team the Dubs were talking to was at that time. At the same time, I was just telling you guys what I heard, that Murphy was movable and that teams were interested and a deal could get done. I had to frame it in the weakest speculative way I could. I played it safe because I didn't want to get hopes up, but wanted to tell you that things were being discussed.
It wasn't good enough for some, who said they'd believe it when they saw it. That's fine .. but I made a believer out of them, no?
At the end of the day, everything you hear is false. Teams are using us in the media and even people in their own organizations who talk to raise value and better themselves.
This is going to sound like it's directed at GSDubz, but it's actually something I feel everyone should know.
Would you rather not have your hopes risen and simply not hear anything at all? If so, don't read the rumors, simple as that.
I learned from Tim Wise that the greatest understanding of people can come from learning what they take for granted. Wise feels that when people take things for granted, "anything that goes against the grain of what they perceive as `normal' will tend to stand out like a sore thumb.
That's exactly what has happened to in today's world. We've come to expect, and therefore take our insiders for granted. Imagine what Warrior fans went through in 1982 when the Warriors had a top ten pick? Who were they working out? Who were they interested in? Imagine the surprise of Dub fans when the name they read in the paper the next day was Lester Connor.
We've all taken our information for granted. With every newspaper blurb posted, we're learning things going on behind the scenes. With every post by insiders, you get a little taste of that crème brulé on the dessert cart that fans could normally never afford.
People didn't have the information they get now. You choose whether you want to believe it or not. The GSoM guys will choose whether to post it or not. If your hopes get up, that's your bad, but in the meantime I'd just be happy that you're getting a possible look into things that are going on at the top of the Oakland Convention Center.
In the past, that possibility wasn't even available. I'd just be happy with that peek, but that's just me.
And if you think you're peeking at something that isn't real, that'll be left for you to decide. I know that I've worked my butt off to have the credibility to be believed, but I'm new hear, so it will come about slowly.
i gotta go with atma
i have been coming here for like 9 months now and from what i have seen from atma, he is just a die hard warrior fan, like most of us here
we all post rumors in our diaries, that seems to be all he is doing
he doesnt make up bizzare rumors like funleavy and murphy for garnett or something like that, lay off the guy, he posted a rumor, it may or may not happen, discuss it, and enjoy
i dont really get the false hope idea, after this offseason i kinda had no hope of a funleavy murph trade, but it happened, most rumors never come about, thats pro basketball, but if there are discussions between the warriors and another team, even if its small, atma should post it, because it is a warriors rumor and personally i like to see whats going on in the front office
atma seems like an honest guy, once i asked him if he was listening to drunk people for rumors, he said no, so i figure this is still the case
by badnamedwarriorfan on Jan 18, 2007 7:05 AM PST up reply actions
I agree with oaklandish
An example of when rumors can become true is the Baron Davis trade. I'll never forget that when that rumor came about in news sources, even thought it was like a day before the trade. As a result, it sparked my interest, and I searched the web all night, and eventually hit refresh a bagoogle times, and alas, after the deadline, the news comes out, that B.D. was just traded before the deadline. That is a perfect, and classic example of correctly citing media sources on a good (but quick ) tip, had GSoM been around at the time. Yes, I know espn and others also name unnamed soureces, but with al due respect, when espn.com names their OWN self as a source, they get it right more than .01 percent of the time, it's a lot higher. And a lot of times, all these guys do is reference other news organizations, which is a good and safe niche that you guys should stick to.
I think part of what is going on here, Atma, is your stubborness after the fact in realizing that you MAY have had a potential TIP that SOMEHOW MIGHT have hinted that a Warriors trade would happen, (even though you did not even know the players or team they would deal with), so you are trying to make up for getting the story late by saying you had a source that told you about it! Come on bro, that's uncalled for.
Bottom line, YOU are going to have to find ways to differentiate your anonymous sources... you are simply risking a lot when you post up garbagae anonymous sources somehow so that only the TOP LEVEL garbage is posted on here (if there is such a thing?) if any at all. I feel you post more than enough great links and references to amazing articles all across the web that most of us could never find on our own... that's your niche. And then of course, the discussions that follow it, thanks to your constant updating and tremendous consistency, make this site #1. So, in turn, I guess what I am saying, is that even though we all agree you wouldn't NEED to post anonymous rumors, doing so could actually hurt you guys credibility. I know it makes me angry and not want to read them.... like pree suggested, but that would mean not wanting to visit the site... and that's not a good thing to ask for! I wouldn't say it looks like you are lying to me, but, it kind of looks a little arrogant to me, like "ooh people are gonna read whatever we post anyways, so let's reference anything that comes out of anyone's mouth!".
Feel me? I hope that didn't come off rude... but that's what bothers me and I had to speak it.
Calm down
You're forgetting that a huge chunk of the time, ESPN didn't get the scoop, but are passing it off like they did. Most of the time they're just rehashing what local media personnel found out and trying to pretend like they did all the work. Very shady. Same goes for RealGm.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 18, 2007 8:43 AM PST up reply actions
OK you're deferring from the point now
Ouch. Sorry, but I had to take it there because you're just avoiding what this is really about and REALLY showing to be stubborn on this one bro.
but I made a believer out of them, no?
playing devil's advocate - could have been a lucky coincidence (though I think not honestly)
the points being made about a level playing field re sources are on target - it's not a level playing field, but it's still a great site
Not Barnes!
steve jax to d-troit?
i think we'll need to play jackson in our system for a bit, get his stats up, and then trade him later.
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by OaktownWarrior on Jan 17, 2007 8:15 PM PST up reply actions
ummm
by texanwarrior on Jan 17, 2007 8:08 PM PST reply actions
depends on what we give up
by badnamedwarriorfan on Jan 17, 2007 8:14 PM PST reply actions
I'd dump Barnes
by Crypt0naut on Jan 17, 2007 8:14 PM PST reply actions
I'd be fine with that, I guess
by jonathan on Jan 17, 2007 8:18 PM PST reply actions
defense is priceless
can anyone give some info about nazrs defense, i know he is a great rebounder
thanks
by badnamedwarriorfan on Jan 17, 2007 8:25 PM PST reply actions
I dunno
I don't know if Barnes plays defense...i thought Mohammed was a defense oriented center.
by Crypt0naut on Jan 17, 2007 8:31 PM PST reply actions
barnes is a good defender
nazr is one of the top rebounders according to some websites and an allright defender
by badnamedwarriorfan on Jan 17, 2007 8:34 PM PST reply actions
What is defense in this league?
It's like a Bill James question, lol
by Crypt0naut on Jan 17, 2007 8:37 PM PST reply actions
your correct
its more of people and scouts just checking out a player and saying how good of a defender someone is
by badnamedwarriorfan on Jan 17, 2007 8:39 PM PST reply actions
Nazr is not really that great of a defender
by mightymadskillz on Jan 17, 2007 8:58 PM PST reply actions
Trade Jackson
Only problem is, who wants Jackson?
There is no defense stat
don't like this trade
Do you think Nazr Mohammed would help the Warriors
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 17, 2007 11:02 PM PST reply actions
i would do it
I wouldn't do it
I don't know what's the problem with Nazr, but it looks like he has issues on every team he is. He didn't last long in Philly with LB, then he got traded from the Knicks to the Spurs, where he played an important role on the 2004 championship.
But the following season he barely played in San Antonio and then signed up with Detroit, when after 30 games starting and playing like 20 minutes per night, he was benched in favor of Dale Davis and now they want to trade him.
There's gotta be something in there.
by Jaime Novoa on Jan 17, 2007 11:13 PM PST reply actions
this trade works
Nazr Mohammad
Antonio McDyess
Pistons get:
Adonal foyle
Mikael Pietrus
Matt Barnes
I believe the warriors might be saving money on this trade since Nazr Mohammed gets less money but has one more year.
check it here:
http://realgm.com/src_tradechecker/3/
Nazr
And Nazr has like 4 more years to go after this one.
And on the new offer. I have a hard time seeing Pistons moving McDyess. I could see them moving Dale Davis and Nazr.
well...
But seriously..this isn't a good deal for the W's. Barnes is cold shooting the ball right now and turning it over a bit more than you would like, but he is still bringing it on D and on the boards.
What this team needs is a long/athletic power forward not a backup center. Ely anyone??
The W's could probably still get Melvin for an expiring contract and a 2nd rounder.

Let's Go Oakland! Gas, Brake, Dip.
something to be said for ...
what was Barnes two months ago, and more to the point, what will he be two-three months from now?
biggest point is, which one has the potential to make the difference in whether we make the playoffs?
uh no
by djchuckdeez on Jan 17, 2007 11:42 PM PST reply actions

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