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Advantage Pacers-?!

While most GSoMders have been doing cartwheels over this trade, more distant observers are arguing that the Pacers, not the Dubs, made out better in this deal. For example, on Foxsports Charlie Rosen displayed his vast ignorance for all to see (if you don't believe me, check out: http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/6378428)

Rosen works systematically through the players:

In Troy Murphy, the Pacers add an excellent stand-still, mid-range shooter who can run the floor, screen and pop, and attack the offensive boards.

Well, that depends upon your definition of "excellent" - 40% FG isn't all bad, but ...

The left-handed Murphy can also post up on occasion ... Nor is Murphy afraid to be physical in the paint.

Huh? Did I miss all those games? At least Rosen points out Murph's flaws:

What can't he do? Defend, pass or compete with the same sheer athleticism as his peers.

Rosen obviously hasn't heard about Troy's success in the middle:

Murphy and Jeff Foster now comprise an effective tandem in the middle.

Maybe this was an appeal to Midwest customers:

Since Murphy always works hard and is a solid citizen, look for him to thrive under Rick Carlisle's firm, yet fair management.

Obviously that's a dig at Jackson, who was in the much publicized incidents last summer. But it is with his analysis of Dunleavy that I was stumped:

Mike Dunleavy can hit open shots from anywhere, pull-and-shoot going either way, move without the ball, sneak to the boards, and look to pass. Dunleavy's consistency from beyond the arc will be an asset for the Pacers, as will his willingness to play team-oriented ball.

Huh?! Wasn't Dundun's shooting a weakness? Even open jumpers were inconsistent, not to mention shooting beyond the arc. At least Rosen does find some weakness in MDJr's game:

What he can not do is play anything resembling adequate defense. Zilch. Nada.

Rosen's analysis of Diogu is a bit baffling only because this is supposed to be the player who tips the balance in the Pacers' favor:

Ike Diogu remains a work in progress. A powerful 6-foot-8, he can either post and bang his way to the basket or shoot an effective turnaround jumper. Defense is a problem, as is passing, and avoiding turnovers. But like Murphy and Dunleavy, Diogu always plays hard all of the time.

Then he rips the out-going Pacers, particularly Harrington and Jackson for their two "gigantic egos"

In Harrington, the Pacers lose a selfish player who never got sufficient touches to satisfy his huge ego. In Stephen Jackson, they deal away a loose cannon who has exploded far too many times, and who can't tell the difference between a good shot and a bad one. ... Jackson is a shot-happy wing-man, who (like Harrington) loves to play iso-ball and fire away at his pleasure. Defense is not his thing ... In Sarunas Jasikevicius, they lose a savvy, dead-eye shooter who was too slow and too defenseless to justify more than occasional playing time at either of the backcourt positions. In other words, the Pacers have bereft themselves of a headache, a migraine, and a secret malcontent.

Rosen does pay attention to how the Dubs could gain from the trade:

Harrington can ring up points with a medium-range jumper, with aggressive post-up moves, and with ferocious drives to the basket. An extremely talented performer, he can rebound like a big, and also has the skills to play some point guard. ... The Warriors are now much more athletic than they were before the trade. With so many potent one-on-one scorers at his disposal, Nelson will have a ball puppet-mastering matchups.

But then he caps off his in depth knowledge of our lads:

[W]ith Brad Davis, Monta Ellis, and (when he's healthy) Jason Richardson monopolizing the ball, Harrington will inevitably be frustrated at not being the focus of the Warriors' offense.

Brad Davis? Ok, so it was a typo, but did you know that we had an arrogant SF?

... will Harrington's arrival eventually shove Pietrus to the bench? One shudders to think how the arrogant Pietrus will react to such a demotion.

Or that this trade now necessitates that GS trade JRich?

To loosen up the logjam of scorers, the Warriors must trade Jason Richardson for a workmanlike big man who can defend and rebound.

The Pacers, Rosen claims, will now benefit from:

... unselfish ball-movement and ball-sharing [which] will become the norm. Roles will be much more defined. Airheads will no longer be tolerated.

Basically, Rosen's argument amounts to the Dubs trading two "solid citizens" for two athletic but problematic attitudes with Ike tipping the balance in Pacer's favor. I have some problems with this analysis. First, Rosen doesn't seem to know jack about the former Warriors strengths and weaknesses, and the comparison of these players doesn't mention the relative weight their respective contracts had on their franchises (no small factor!). But the third inference that rubs is the repeated inference that the "good citizens" are heading east while the "troubled athletes" coming are going west.

What do you think of Rosen's analysis?

This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!

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i dont understand
how the warriors lost in this trade when indiana picked up Troy Murphy AND Mike Dunleavy?

enough said.

Go Tigers! Back to back to back Big West champions! ...and Warriors

by pacifictigerpepband on Jan 17, 2007 11:52 PM PST   0 recs

Rosen
That guy always whorides the warriors.  Especially baron davis.  Let the idiot sports writers print their opinions(and get paid for it) even if they are absolutely wrong

by Dubs4Life on Jan 18, 2007 12:25 AM PST   0 recs

Rosen
is a moron, and a bitter douch bag because he could never make it as a coach in the CBA, letalone the NBA. Now he writes for a lower-level sports website. Good for him.
Finally hoops hope in the City Of Dope?

by oaklandish on Jan 18, 2007 2:50 AM PST   0 recs

it is amazing
that this guy is paid to write garbage like that.

by gsw4life on Jan 18, 2007 3:21 AM PST   0 recs

Whoa ..
I even said that the deal wasn't as lopsided as a lot of stuff that was being written here, but Rosen comes off incredibly biased here. It'd be nice to go back and see what he wrote about these guys two months ago ..

by pree on Jan 18, 2007 3:54 AM PST   0 recs

Here's my view on it.
No one in journalism even pays attention to the warriors unless they are paid to look at only them. You will see glances here or there, or comments on barons play, J-Rich's injuries, but none of these guys can say shhh and have it mean anything to the fans. They just don't know the situation.

If you take a look out of your windows, you can now see Dallas, TX. Quite the site, no?

by coma on Jan 18, 2007 7:47 AM PST   0 recs

Yes
Exactly.

(lololololololo Brad Davis lololololoolololo)

by Zorgon on Jan 18, 2007 11:25 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

I'm confused
Has Rosen been watching NBA games in the bizzaro world? Murphy posting up and getting physical in the paint? Dunleavy hitting open shots anywhere on the court and consistant beyond the arc?!? Hey Rosen, pass it to the left hand side...

by GreyMurphy on Jan 18, 2007 8:20 AM PST   0 recs

If you can't spell Baron Davis
...then you are not a professional writer, and I refuse to read or listen to anything you say.  Period.

by gsdubz on Jan 18, 2007 8:21 AM PST   0 recs

hack
complete hack...like many "national" journalists when they write an article on the W's. Though Rosen does often write slander pieces on the W's, so i'm not surprised.

Let's Go Oakland! Gas, Brake, Dip.

by OaktownFunk on Jan 18, 2007 8:38 AM PST   0 recs

I don't know why most stories don't point this out
But even if this trade is an overall talent drop  for the W's (which I don't think it is), the Warriors gained something significant by dumping those contracts.  Now we can resign Biedrins, resign Peitrus (unless another team gives him rediculous dollars) and won't have to watch Monta go all Agent Zero on us with another team.  To me, that is really what makes the trade worthwhile.  

Besides, it was obvious that Murphy was never going to succeed in Nellie's system, and DunDun could never live up to what we need him to be.  Harrington and Jackson are great candidates to fit into our running style than either of those two.  While Diagu is a talent, it's very likely that he'll end up closer to a Sweetney than he will to a Brand (who was a 20-10 guy from the start - Diagu has only come close to those numbers in per 40 minute stats).

Manute Bol stole my lunch money

by manute-o on Jan 18, 2007 10:27 AM PST   0 recs

This is Bazaro world
analysis and I am not one of those guys who feels offended when guys like Kerr are lest than kind to the Warriors

This quote is oddest of all

"... will Harrington's arrival eventually shove Pietrus to the bench? One shudders to think how the arrogant Pietrus will react to such a demotion."

Pietrus arrogant?  Mike Dunleavy a consistent shooter and Troy Murphy in the paint

by Zig on Jan 18, 2007 11:37 AM PST   0 recs

stupid guy
Why in the Hell would we trade J-Rich? Thats F*cking ridiculous. and its BARON DAVIS ya freakin fruit. Who is this guy anyways? does he think he knows what hes talking about? jesus tap dancing christ, im so pissed right now.

by duggie25 on Jan 18, 2007 4:59 PM PST   0 recs

Absolutely Lazy
There's not other way to put it. Rosen's "article" on the trade shows the work of someone lazy who didn't do their homework. Just very shoddy work plagued by countless inaccuracies. This is the kind of work that should get you fired.

by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 21, 2007 1:19 PM PST   0 recs

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