Stephen Jackson to the Jailhouse?
by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 24, 2007 9:09 AM PST
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It's no secret that one of the driving forces for the Pacers in the blockbuster trade with the Warriors was simply to dump Stephen Jackson and his legal troubles. To the Pacers this was worth the price of adding two of the worst contracts in the entire league to their payroll. This article in today's Contra Costa Times Jackson's court date could lead to immediate jail time shows that Jackson's legal troubles ain't no joke and he could possibly be sent to jail immediately.
I wasn't personally there that night at the nightclub in Indianapolis, Indiana (Both DJ Fuzzy Logic and I have been to Indiana and trust me- it sucks! I don't recommend hanging out there.) when Jackson reportedly fired multiple shots into the air and was struck by a car, so I don't want to even try to analyze the situation- I don't know the facts at all and most likely neither do the many people in the media who are quick to paint Jackson as a complete villain. The other incident that's gotten Jackson in big trouble is of course the bizarre Motown Brawl, in which he ran into the crowd to support his boy Ron Artest, who isn't known to make some of the best judgments.
Here's what Jax had to say in his defense:
Thanks to loyal GSoM community member badnamedwarriorfan for putting up the diary jackson to jail right now?
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Hmm.
And another thing, what is the appeal of a nightclub in Indiana?
If you take a look out of your windows, you can now see Dallas, TX. Quite the site, no?
by coma on Jan 24, 2007 9:23 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
good question
by dj fuzzylogic on Jan 24, 2007 11:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Probation violation. . . .
Now, probation violations are heard by a court -- no jury -- and the judge decides on the weight of the evidence (not "beyond a reasonable doubt"). Thus, there's virtually no question Jackson vilated his probation and could be sentenced to whatever sentence was suspended (90 days?) when he first pled. It's all up to the judge. Here in California, odds are he'd get at least 30 days, although the judge always has discretion. Alternatively, the judge could reinstate probation and add additional terms (e.g. no clubbing, no alcohol, etc.) for the remainder of the probationary period. Athletes and the famous (sadly) typically get special treatment -- at least Jackson will have a lwyer who knows that judge and that court.
I don't know enough about Judge Nicholson to make an educated guess, but pure surmise would be that jail time now is a 50-50 proposition for Jackson. We'll see what she does.
Note that none of this has diddly to do with the pending Indiana charges, although if Jackson serves time in Michigan on the probation violation one silver lining might be that he can more easily plead in Indiana and get effective "credit" for the time served in Michigan. Fortunately, Jackson appears to have no other criminal record. Still, not what one's looking for in a player.
by johnl on Jan 24, 2007 9:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
And this folks,
If you take a look out of your windows, you can now see Dallas, TX. Quite the site, no?
by coma on Jan 24, 2007 9:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 24, 2007 9:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn
by goldenstatefan on Jan 24, 2007 10:19 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
He's rich and famous
by Kobe on Jan 24, 2007 10:30 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
No real purpose is served by putting him in jail, and certainly not now -- while he's clean, working and ostensibly supporting his family. So my guess is that it's unlikely the probation violation will result in immediate jailing in this case -- though it's certainly not a gimme.
Were I the judge, I'd reinstate probation, add terms -- no alcohol or drugs would be high on my list -- and give him 20 days SWAP time to be completed over the Summer. Don't get me wrong: I think Jackson deserves appropriate punishment, and in my DA days I convicted people for shooting guns in the air (one would be surprised at how many people are actually hurt or killed from such falling bullets), but frankly judges are used to seeing a lot of bad behavior, and while Jackson's was certainly bad, I don't see her handing him a toothbrush on Friday. Picking up trash (or whatever)for several days can be a surprisingly salutary experience for a pampered athlete -- who isn't likely to want to repeat that effort.
by johnl on Jan 24, 2007 11:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What in God's name?
JohnL:
I find it incredibly offensive that you discuss this situation in detail without offering any sources for some of your accusations. As far as my research shows, and as far as the knowledge I previously had on this man, he never kicked a guy in a wheelchair. According to a sports blog column that clarifies/rebutes the details of big stories, they say this is a fabrication.
It turns out Jackson kicked a guy with a short arm. And while technically the guy was disabled, it's nowhere near as egregious as kicking a guy without the use of his legs (presumably cause the guy can't kick back).
Perhaps you confused that with news of the lady that was choked in her wheelchair in a laundry room in Indiana?
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/10816448/detail.html
Get your facts straight JohnL, but it doesn't surprise me coming from someone who went so far to defend Dunleavy that he blamed Baron Davis more than Dunleavy for problems on the Warriors (until Nellie called him out, of course). Your tendencies of argument lead me to believe you have one of the strongest biases on GSoM, and you should be ashamed of yourself. This is the San Francisco Bay Area, not Indiana, Orange County or Houston. We accept everyone for their differences and give each person equal and fair treatment no matter what their situation. I feel that in the long run, Jackson and the Warriors will be a great fit.
Atma:
I am glad that you brought up the issue and picked that quote. It is really good for everyone to hear from Stephen Jackson about it, and I'm sure most didn't know that he's been free from trouble outside of these two incidents. Given the negative portrayal of Jackson and his villianization in the media, it's refreshing to know he's human. Where everyone knows about the brawl, not many know what happened the night at the club. Although I agree it's not in your place to post an opinion on these controversial matters, I do believe you should have the responsibility of relaying the police officer's reports on the incidents that took place that night. The recount of the nights incidents has been consistent everywhere. Failure to at least state the facts will lead to situations with individuals like JohnL throwing out biased exaggerations like the "wheelchair" fiction.
So, to help out, here is a paraphrase of Sgt Mount's public release of the events that took place that night.
http://cbs2.com/topstories/topstories_story_279081426.html
Mount said an argument involving Jackson and other members of the Pacers began inside the club. The Pacers players said they left the club, but other club patrons followed them outside.
So some idiots wanted trouble, and the guys decided to walk away from it.
"At some point when leaving the club, a verbal altercation ensued that turned into a physical altercation," Mount said.
The guys followed them out, and wanted trouble.
Jackson was hit in the mouth, and an individual tried to run him over with a car, Mount said.
Jackson went up onto the hood of the car.
(Jackson, 28, told officers he fired his 9 mm pistol in the air in self-defense after he was slugged in the mouth and hit by a car outside the club)
There were no reports of anyone being struck by the gunfire,
Jackson was limping but refused medical treatment at the scene, Mount said. He conferred with a Pacers trainer and sought medical treatment at a hospital.
The other Pacers at the scene were Jamaal Tinsley, Marquis Daniels and Jimmie Hunter.
Tinsley and Daniels also had guns in their cars, and all three players had permits for the weapons, Mount said, although Daniels' permit was issued in Florida.
So if he's guilty, it's beause he fired the gun in the air, but for God's sake, his life was in danger! He tried to leave but they threatened his life! He didn't hurt anyone, just wanted to be left alone. If the gun is the issue, the other guys carried it too, but only Jackson fired it, so he gets much more attention I guess? That's up to a job to decide, not us.
Warrior Fans:
Could he have handled himself better? Well yes, perhaps whenever he goes out at night where alcohol is served he should hire a bodyguard, probably for the next few years. As a result of the brawl incident and him being a multimillion dollar athelete/celebrity and villianized by the NBA, troublemakers will always show up to start fights with him whenever they want, and walking away will not be physically possible sometimes.
But with all due respect everyone, he has an NBA championship, was a starter during the finals for the Spurs championship team, is a friend of Baron Davis, and has been clean outside these two incidents. Though it remains to be seen if carrying the gun is going to have him punished, (which if it is, I'm fine with), one thing for sure is that before any verdicts came out, Jackson was guilty of one thing: being an African American millionaire.
If any Warrior fans don't see that racism plays at least a minor part of the news in today's sports world, especially the NBA, then you seriously need to get out a little more and read up on your history. I'm not yelling fire or crying about a conspiracy, just pointing out that bias, like the kind that JohnL presented in this forum, (which now I am happy about since I was able to make this argument), does exist.
by gsdubz on Jan 24, 2007 12:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
as far as I can tell...
I don't know the context of his previous posts, but from what I see here, I think you might need to take a deep breath or two.
by sarchasmic on Jan 24, 2007 1:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 25, 2007 10:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But the wheelchair claim was a lie
by gsdubz on Jan 25, 2007 7:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah doggy!
If you take a look out of your windows, you can now see Dallas, TX. Quite the site, no?
by coma on Jan 24, 2007 1:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa, Big Fellah
Dubz, when you accuse someone of not getting his facts straight, you just gotta pay attention to your own. Oh, where to begin:
First, I never said anything negative about Jackson in these posts, other than that he broke the law (and if one cuts thru your huffing and puffing here, one sees that you ultimately concur -- despite your endless apologia for his bad conduct. As my Daddy used to say: "Excuses are like a$%^&*#s; everyone's got one and they all stink.").
Second, I never said "he kicked a guy in a wheelchair." Indeed, where you cooked up this kicking nonsense is beyond me. You've asked for my source that he assaulted (caveat: legal term; look it up) a guy in a wheelchair. Fair enough. I picked it up off Indychannel.com, under the heading (in their story on Jackson at the nightclub) "Police Probe Assault on Wheelchair User." None of your "sources" contradict that so far as I can see; you're just trying to downplay the extent of the victim's infirmity. Am I wrong?
Third, you concede all three Pacers had illegal guns in that car -- you must know that a Florida permit isn't good in Indiana or any other state -- but don't find it at all strange that Jackson was the only one firing. Hmmmm. Why was that, I wonder -- especially since the others were just as involved, and even in today's Chron story Jackson says he'll never go to the aid of a teammate off-court again. So he put himself in that position.
Fourth,you forgot to note that the police also found dope in the car. You might not care, but it IS illegal. The only reason no charges were brought was because they didn't know which Pacer(s) had it.
Finally, at least for openers, did you notice that Jackson simply didn't fire off one shot to shake people up. No, he pumped five rounds. A bit of overkill, and also pretty dangerous most would say.
Ya know, Dubz, the purpose of my post was NOT to attack Jackson -- and I didn't. You've forced that issue. My goal was to explain how the legal system worked and why it is unlikely that Jackson will be jailed Friday for his probation violation. (And I didn't see you suggest that his conduct that night wasn't a violation of probation.) Atma, with whom I disagree a lot, understood that. So would any rational reader.
So, the real question is: What's up with you? Perhaps the key is in your disgust with my appreciation for Dunleavy (and you might read TK's blog today -- he's another guy who hates Dun but recognizes he did some very good things for the W's. Even Atma would probably agree.) As for BD, I DID blame him more than Dun FOR LAST YEAR -- because he is a better and more important player, so when he's bad (and he WAS bad last year) it hurts the TEAM more. (You just gotta read things a little closer, and control that temper.) This year, though, BD's been a different player, and if you've read my posts I'm now one of his biggest fans. (Tho he's still got work to do on his crunch time game. If that's all right to say in DubzWorld.)
To close, I appreciate treating everyone fairly. Indeed, I don't appreciate it when athletes and other famous people get "walked" when they commit crimes. (And it ain't all racism, as those with the real double standards like to claim; generally, it's about taking responsibility for one's actions.) As for Jackson, personally I think he's likely to revert to form, too, but that was neither implicit in today's posts nor does it prevent me from appreciating his good play (and great hands) thus far. So I've cut him some slack, and I hope he succeeds (just like I'm happy BD has improved his team game so much this year.)
At least try re-reading today's earlier posts with a fresh eye and see if you don't realize you've gone way over the top here. Thanks, Dubz.
by johnl on Jan 24, 2007 5:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My daddy taught me: Admit when you're wrong
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/10816448/detail.html
I knew that's where you made the mistake, so that's why I posted it! You must have been foaming at the mouth when you saw that headline, hoping you could relate it to Stephen Jackson and have more to hold against him?
And dont' get into talking about your daddy, (which is kind of low), because you were wrong and looked right past the fact that you were totally off on the wheelchair thing!
That's what started this argument, but obviously, the fact that you weren't even considering the possibility of being wrong shows that you are way stuck on your ways, so I won't try to change it, I just wanted the fans to know that what you said was a BLATANT LIE.
Finally, I would like to state that you have managed to be offensive again.
In reference to finding dope in the car, this was good information that I would have liked for you to have mentioned, because I feel that is something Jackson should be held accountable for (if true). But instead, you stated:
You might not care, but it IS illegal
How dare you? Are you making some sort of generalization that because I have defended a minority athlete, that I am in favor of illegal activity such as possession of drugs? Talk about stereotyping? How dare you?
This is 2007 buddy, you need to check yourself.
Shame on you, again.
You're not even worth my time anymore, this is the last time I respond to you on this post.
by gsdubz on Jan 24, 2007 6:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You know. . .
Now you're so far out in cloud-cuckoo-land, I can only suggest you cut way back on that coffee or whatever it is that's jacking you up like this -- it can't be a fun way to go through life, so out of control. (BTW, if you had paid attention you'd have realized my posts weren't about the widely reported "wheelchair" incident -- and I hope you realize that one of the charges pending against Jackson in Indiana IS assault (ergo, the brief reference) -- as any sane reader could easily grasp. My posts were about what is likely to happen to Jackson in the legal system in Detroit, given the three pending charges against Jackson in Indiana. That was the "call" of Atma's column. Again, I wasn't attacking Jackson anywhere in that post, and if you had merely wanted to put up a brief counter to the isolated assault reference you could have simply done so. But it's clear there's more going on here with you than that, as your unrelated Dunleavy reference shows. And you're the one who went all postal on us -- as you proudly concede in your opening rant.)
At least you've concluded I'm "not even worth [your] time anymore," so we can hope to avoid such frothings from you in the future.
But maybe we can still agree on one thing, Dubz: How 'bout those Warriors last night? Jackson may have had a bad night -- and why is he so reluctant to give up the ball once it's in his hands? -- but BD was superlative in the last four minutes, even though he had been pretty mediocre to that point, bad threes, disjointed play, etc. And, for me, that's the real key. When BD plays the end game like he did last night, good things will follow. And BD's singular efforts allowed young Monta to be the hero for the first time, which is a double bonus for us, since it shows growing confidence. What a game!
by johnl on Jan 25, 2007 9:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gonna have to side with johnl on this one
Because a person defends a player, doesn't mean you have to rip into the person, or even the player. That's just pathetic. It's letting personal biases cloud your own vision, and although the community, especially me, values all opinions, respect must be given to all players in the NBA and the people within said community.
by Crypt0naut on Jan 24, 2007 5:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Thank you?
by gsdubz on Jan 24, 2007 6:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Question
by Crypt0naut on Jan 24, 2007 6:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
damn....
by spartan21 on Jan 24, 2007 6:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
more to the mundane
question#2: what were the GSW brass were thinking - perhaps they were counting on BD & Jax playing sweet music together for seasons to come, or perhaps knew that if Jax was incarcerated they could void the contract? hence, making the trade really two bad contracts for one (with extras)?
as for charging people as racists, I'm on record that is not conducive to building a respectful community here at GSoM, and yet I was shocked that no one brought it up in connection with the Rosen article I posted earlier (Advantage Pacers -?!)...
by hardcore on Jan 24, 2007 6:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Don't know how accurate
"Even though the criminal recklessness charge is a "D" class felony -- the lowest of four types in Indiana law -- it carries with it a sentence of six months to three years in prison. The additional misdemeanor charges he faces of battery and disorderly conduct can lead up to a year each."
"A conviction for a violent felony results in a minimum 10-game suspension by the NBA and it could leave the door open for the Warriors to try and void Jackson's contract."
by jpgarfunkle on Jan 25, 2007 2:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of state laws...
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=wilson
The kid is by no means an angel (but what kid is?) and he has been known to drink and smoke. But what is most crazy is that they are judging him based on sexual acts that have been codified into law: oral sex is a felony between minors in the state of Georgia! Although he was accused of "raping" the young girl (despite evidence that it was consensual), what is most important by the state is the actual act, which registered under "child molestation."
by dj fuzzylogic on Jan 25, 2007 8:27 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
apologies for grammar
by dj fuzzylogic on Jan 25, 2007 8:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's not the worst of it...
But he's a courageous young man, and he refeases to confess guilt to a crime he did not commit, which would cause him to have to register as a sex offended and not be able to live with his own sister and is just morally wrong in his view. So, he and his family are going to fight as much as they can to get him out the right way.
Martyr.
by gsdubz on Jan 25, 2007 10:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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