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Judge Rules Stephen Jackson Violated His Probation

Things aren't looking good for new Warrior Stephen Jackson as a judge ruled today that he violated his probation in Michigan. Check out the AP report for the details.


Thanks to loyal GSoM community member Crypt0naut for putting this up in a diary. Hopefully, GSoMer johnl can break down the ramifications of this decision in a diary or in the comments section of this post. We'd all really appreciate an analysis of the situation.

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Hope he's OK
Hope his lawyers right and he doesn't get jail time, as they've been predicting.

For the record:  Jax never kicked a guy in a wheelchair, that was an internet rumor spread my someone whose name I shall not mention because I might go to trial myself if I do.

by gsdubz on Jan 26, 2007 10:35 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Should GS jettison Jax?
Curb your venomous reaction for just one second, and consider the following, from Jenny Hu, SF Chron:

"... the Warriors wouldn't be responsible for Jackson's salary for any games missed, they could also move to void the rest of his deal. He is due about $6 million this season and $21.5 million over the following three years."

Nelson stated that Jax PT would depend upon his play, and Mullin embraced him as one of our guys.

But from a strictly contractual/salary cap point of view is GS better off unloading that contract if the opportunity presents itself in order to restructure the roster, perhaps by signing a PF? Particularly if that decision doesn't have to be made until the playoff picture is clear and Jax future incarceration time (if any) is known?

by hardcore on Jan 26, 2007 11:37 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Interesting take
I think Jax gives you pretty good bang for your buck. His contract isn't bad at all.

But let's say the worst comes to worst and the Warriors have the option of voiding his contract. It gives Mullin more money to work with, but that might not be such a good thing. Do you really trust him to spend money wisely on the free agent market or dishing out extensions again? Hopefully, Nellie will play a major role, so those foolish mistakes of the past don't repeat themselves.

Jax's money is well spent as long as he's playing. If not, well... I seriously hope we don't have to worry about that.

by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 26, 2007 11:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Mullin
I'm actually confident that if Mullin was given money to work with, he won't be making the same mistakes he's made in the past (i.e. Foyle, Murph, Dunleavey, etc). With or without Nellie's guidance, I think he'll use it a lot more wisely.

But I agree with you. St. Jax is a serviceable player.

by MANUTEs BOLs on Jan 26, 2007 12:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Mullin's contracts
Mullin overpaid Fisher, Foyle, Murphy and Dunleavy.  He probably got Richardson for about market value but if he's not hurt, that contract looks fine.  

Fisher gave us two serviceable years and he was unloaded before the bad part of his deal was due, not getting anything back but not bringing in any future burden, so it was like he was signed to a short term deal.  Absolutely no harm done.  

Murphy and Dunleavy were overpaid, but in retrospect, they weren't untradeable.  We got back players I don't think much of, but we got some salary life relief.  The contracts don't look as bad so the damage has been partially mitigated.

This leaves Foyle as the remaining unmitigated disasterous signing.  Since previous conventional wisdom was that we couldn't get anything back for Murphy and Dun and would likely be stuck with them as albatrosses  and this hasn't been the case, I'm not convinced that we'll necessarily eat all of Foyle's salary burden.

Mullin has hopefully learned from his mistakes, but he's certainly done a bunch to minimize the impact of those mistakes without giving up much if anything in terms of long term potential to do so.

by jae on Jan 26, 2007 2:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

As of right now,
Stephen Jackson is my favorite player on this squad. He is clearly one of the most versatile pieces we have. If shots aren't going down for us, he will make moves to the basket and get fouled. Something we all could use a little more of. He shoots freethrows well, and he is a very good defender. I think 21 over 3 is well worth it, and I think you embrace him if he ends up doing time, which people with money like he has don't end up doing much.

I think if you're the judge here, you gotta make a motion to just add more probation, and give him a chance with the Warriors. It would be effectively telling him that fresh starts are not an option, and with the story I've heard about the incident, it wasn't like he was doing it out of ill-will, it was done in self defense. Let's just hope the for the best, some community service, and some elongated probation.


If you take a look out of your windows, you can now see Dallas, TX. Quite the site, no?

by coma on Jan 26, 2007 1:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I dont know
I don't like it when athletes skirt the laws of humanity....

If a normal citizen did all this shooting into the air, I think they would be in prison by now...How Jackson is actually out on the street is a mystery to me...

But hey...what ever works works

I love the guy, the player, but I'm afraid he'll do something silly in the future

Billy Beane for Warriors GM! Time 4 sum Moneyball -Crypt0naut

by Crypt0naut on Jan 26, 2007 7:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...
I'm not. He was clean before the brawl, and he shot his gun out of self defense. I can understand where he was coming from on both counts.

If you take a look out of your windows, you can now see Dallas, TX. Quite the site, no?

by coma on Jan 26, 2007 10:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

problem is......
Indiana is the most racist state in the union.... Lets hope the judge isnt trying to make an example and put Jax in jail.

by spartan21 on Jan 26, 2007 7:21 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Better Late Than Never. . .
OK.  Since we were right that the judge would find a probation violation on Friday but not send Jackson to jail -- yet -- we can make some educated guesses about what's likely to happen at sentencing, this summer.

But first, a key fact (as reported by the Associated Press and appearing in the Detroit Free Press and, I believe, unreported locally here): The key witness at the Friday hearing in Michigan was the Indiana prosecutor who'll try Jackson on the shooting-related charges next month. He testified that Jackson retrieved the gun from his car and fired at least five shots BEFORE being hit by the other car.  (They'll need percipient witnesses at the Indiana trial, but no prosecutor would testify like this at a probation hearing unless he/she were sure they had such evidence.)  If true, this dramatically undercuts any "self-defense" argument Jackson's attorney might make; indeed, if the shooting was first, the guy in the car has the better self-defense argument.

This came as big news to me.  If it's proven at trial, it greatly enhances the odds of Jackson's being convicted there (Indiana) and actually doing some time.  The big question, then, for me at least becomes whether Jackson is convicted of a felony as opposed to a misdemeanor -- since a felony conviction could not only lead to more time but much greater esposure to "punishment" by the NBA, the W's, etc.

My guess is that Jackson's Indiana counsel will -- if he/she believes the prosecutor can prove that Jackson shot first -- try to cut a deal to plead to a misdemeanor (e.g. assault) even for a short sentence (perhaps on electronic home detention, if it's available) in order to avoid the spectre of a felony conviction.  In that case, probably the best case for Jackson right now, no trial -- but the Indiana sentence imposed by the plea deal would likely have an inverse effect on any sentence the Michigan judge hands down this summer for the probation violation.  (Sentencing is all that remains in Michigan; the probation violation sticks even if Jackson is acquitted in Indiana.)

Thus, at this point, the Michigan issue is really the tail wagging the dog.  If Jackson has to go thru the Indiana trial -- bad pub, even if he skates -- and is convicted, the effect of that sentence will impact on what the Michigan judge does later.  My sense is that she'll want to ensure that Jackson does pay some penalty, but if he gets nailed badly in Indiana, she's not likely to add too much.  

Finally, if Jackson were able to beat the Indiana charges altogether, though the Michigan judge has made clear she takes probation violations seriously, I don't see him getting more that 30 days in Michigan, and suspect the greater likelihood is that he could do community service as his punishment.  (Here, though, this is pure surmise.)  So, I think his attorneys will be spending a great deal of time cooking up community service options to present to the court.

The cloud over Jackson, then, is there for at least another month -- though the Indiana result will certainly tell us a lot.  In the meantime, though I remain skeptical of double offenders (as Tim K is, in his blog), I do appreciate that Jackson has been a very good player for the W's thus far, and I particularly like his quick hands and savvy play.  So I'll enjoy his play now, and we'll just see what happens next month.

by johnl on Jan 29, 2007 11:55 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

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