Warriors and Garnett, who we offered....

by supurduperman on Nov 20, 2007 9:22 AM PST

Just found an article. Has a quote from Chris Mullin and talks about who we offered in order to get Garnett. Also talks about who was also in the race to get him.

Also goes more in depth about what happened during Draft Night.

Here's the link:
http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2007/11/20/warriors_not_enough/

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Great find

Nothing concrete that we haven't heard, but certainly enough there to quiet the crowd who thinks we had no shot at KG. Going by their "NBA source's" rumored package (Thornton/Biedrins/Monta, with JRich going to Charlotte, and presumably Foyle to even out the $$$)...

Baron
Azubuike
Jack
Harrington
KG
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Barnes
MP2
POB
Croshere

Does that team compete for a title? Possibly. We'd have needed to add a serviceable center and backup PG, but I think with the #18, our second-rounder, the MLE and a little creativity we could have done that.

Water under the Bay Bridge, alas...

I guess we'll just have to spank Boston to make us all feel a little better.

by Sleepy Freud on Nov 20, 2007 10:01 AM PST reply actions

But

here are the catches, presumably he still want to go to a team where he had more chances to be a contender

"There is a lot of behind-the-scenes work," Garnett said. "But at the same time, I know structurally going into my situation with my contract I had a lot of say in where I was going to be moved. I like to be a part of my own business and what's going on with my entities and stuff. So, that was no different."

"It was a possibility," said Garnett, 31. "But I wanted to go to a contender. I wanted to go somewhere where we were going to be of substance. I wasn't going to go to a team who I was going to wait on three or four years.

by muritqua on Nov 20, 2007 10:29 AM PST reply actions

what... we don't have substance!?

BAH! you'll rue the day you chose another KG!!

time for my old webpin.

"Hey, i'm a warrior fan so i'm naturally pessimistic." - Kenntoe

by Anomaly on Nov 20, 2007 11:10 AM PST up reply actions

What KG

said does not have any sense at all. Where were the celtics before a draft day? An all-star and a bounch of prospects who plays the same position. Our starting 5 looks very good as Sleepy showed us don't you think? And comparing MP, Barnes, Croshere, POB, Hudson to Celtics reserves shows us that KG didn't picked the best place for him :-).

by buky on Nov 20, 2007 1:11 PM PST reply actions

KG was trying to say...

it is easier to reach the finals in the East. West is just loaded...

by wander7 on Nov 20, 2007 1:47 PM PST up reply actions

your trippin

before they aquired ray allen, kg laughed at the thought of going to Boston. and Boston's current team is better then any lineup we would be able to throw out with garnett, baron, jackson, and some scrubs. Dude they have 2 all stars and superstar they just need cheap bench players to rebound and D up a little bit. Besides with Baron's injury history, lets say Baron went out injured, garnett would be stranded on a bad team. I know you really wanted KG in the bay, so did i, but kg made a fine choice, KG isn't a goldenstate homer so he knows that.

by Proof on Nov 21, 2007 9:27 PM PST up reply actions

Let's get this straight.

KG didn't want to go to Boston because they didn't really have anybody. But then Boston made the move to acquire RayRay which changes the whole thing.

So yes, looking now KG might have been part of something good here. But let's look back at draft day...

This was the package they mentioned: Biedrins, Harrington, Monta, 18th pick, 8th pick.

If the deal was processed KG would have been looking at this lineup:

Baron
Monta
Jax
KG
Foyle

Remember, at that time KG doesn't know who Buike is, Barnes and Pietrus are still shopping for that MLE and the Warriors aren't giving it. POB was still dead, basketball-wise. Croshere and Hudson wasn't on the picture. So I think he made a wise decision then.

How bout now? Celtics are 8-1. Who's behind them? Orland, Detroit and Charlotte. Really, would he have been better off here???

We're better off with him here in the Bay Area. But I don't think regret is even close to KG's mind.

by lightz0ut on Nov 20, 2007 1:54 PM PST reply actions

oops...

Monta is not even in the lineup either.

by lightz0ut on Nov 20, 2007 1:56 PM PST up reply actions

exactly

we would have had nobody and we're in the west where you really need depth. Injury proned baron, suspended stephen jack, garnett, and a bunch of unknowns would not be a very welcoming situation.

by Proof on Nov 21, 2007 9:29 PM PST up reply actions

This whole thing is BS

What a joke!

Can anyone honestly tell me that the alleged offers from GS and Chicago aren't twice as good as the Boston deal? The fact that McHale took Boston's offer of Al Jeff and absolutely no one else is borderline criminal.

Before anyone jumps down my throat, hear me out:

We know that McHale might be the worst GM in the business, but is anyone this dumb? There's really no on-court comparison b/t the 3 major offers. Boston's package is by far the worst of the three.
I understand that cap space was/is important for the Wolves, but cap space is overrated in this situation. If that cap space is not utilized properly, it's useless, and might even be a burden. Which free agent is dying to play for the Wolves?
I think the Al Thornton part is complete fiction. Why would a rebuilding team demand a more NBA-ready rookie (and lower pick)? This makes little sense.
Think about this logically: KG is probably the most complete and best player in the NBA, and it could be assumed that many teams would be interested. Of course, not all teams could afford to pay the price, but if you were McHale, wouldn't you shop KG around until you got the best offer? Why take a lowball offer? Either the names in this article are not 100% accurate, or there was some serious fishy business that needs to be investigated.

by UncleCliffy on Nov 20, 2007 2:42 PM PST reply actions

mcHale

Doesn't operate on logic, at least not basketball logic.

He wanted to help Boston, thats all there is to it.

24 > 23

AIM: Jetforze

by OptionZero @ Golden State Of Mind on Nov 20, 2007 2:54 PM PST up reply actions

I agree

that it's easier to reach the finals in east, but i think KG doesn't want to just reach the finals.Why not try to win against the best of the best and then make a "walk in the park" finals. If you want to be the best you have to beat the best.

by buky on Nov 20, 2007 3:21 PM PST reply actions

And

even in the east may be some team that celtics can't beat like mavs couldn't took us out, so speculations never did any good IMO.

by buky on Nov 20, 2007 3:24 PM PST reply actions

Don't buy it

The warriors wouldn't offer that deal and Minny wouldn't turn it down. 2 first rounders, Biedrins, Monta, and Al?

As lightzout said, that leaves us with Baron, Buike, Jack, Pietrus, Barnes, KG, and probably Foyle. The warriors didn't know half of those guys would even be coming back this year and even with them we have no depth. I can't see Mullin giving up that much.

From Minny's perspective, sure Al Jefferson is better than anyone we include, but imagine Foye & Ellis in the same backcourt with Brewer, Wright, and Andris running with them in a few years. Add a very good forward and pick #18 and Minnesota really doesn't have a choice.

No way did we offer both the #8 and Al Harrington.

by BingBluNT on Nov 20, 2007 3:30 PM PST reply actions

They don't need Harrington

He's pricey, not young enough to fit with their rebuilding plans, and would block Craig Smith and Wright/Thornton. Speculation, but I think we could have held him out and replaced him with Foyle, who's shorter money (just a year longer than Ratliff) and a good locker-room influence on the kids.

That would have left us with a nucleus of

Baron
Kaz
Jack
Harrington
KG
Barnes

Which I think is well on the way to being a championship contender.

by Sleepy Freud on Nov 20, 2007 3:44 PM PST up reply actions

asdf

Reading this cements the idea that we didnt really want B Wright, but rather kinda got stuck with him. Whatever, hope we get some dumb luck and he turns into a beast.

by STIX on Nov 20, 2007 5:58 PM PST reply actions

WoW!

we offered hella good players for him! I cant believe the wolves accepted the deal they took from Boston. Sure, Jefferson will be something special, and Green is a nice high flyer, but our deal pwned all the other ones.

The Celtics would've gotten the MIP Monta Ellis, A developing center, Biedrins, and an established PF Al Harrington. Damn, it wouldve been cool to have KG, but our team is beastin out there now, so wtvr!

Go GSW! 3-6!

Ballin

by ballin on Nov 20, 2007 7:06 PM PST reply actions

here we go again

Theo Ratliff

/diary

24 > 23

AIM: Jetforze

by OptionZero @ Golden State Of Mind on Nov 20, 2007 7:16 PM PST reply actions

pssshhh...

who needs KG when we got 0.2?

Seriously tho, at least the flip side to missing out on "cagey" (hahaha nice webpin Anomaly) is that we get to keep our young nucleus.

I was pretty excited during the clips game when we had BWright Future, POBaby Hook, Balboa Brick (he needs to make some shots damnit), Monsta Ellis, and Kaz (i can't think of any more lame nicknames...i'm officially no good to anyone anymore) on the floor at the same time. If we can resign Buike and Ellis, that's a nice 1-2 if Ellis can turn into a real PG. And Biedrins, Wright, and POBeast can be our frontline of the future. So boo to KG. Championships are for suckas. REBUILDING PROCESS! WHAT!!!!

by sadleavy on Nov 20, 2007 8:14 PM PST reply actions

Boston was the right choice for KG

He practically gets to skate into the Finals and beat one Western power. Here, its tough to beat both the Mavs and/or Spurs plus Suns.

You've got to luv Mully, he was willing to basically trade away the whole future for KG for only one guaranteed season and the hope he stays. Wow.

Any event, I'm still excited about this team and about the future with Biedrins/Wright/POB/Ellis/Belinelli. Those are 5 nice pieces who have each shown their potential already.

Nothing better than "The City".

by philsmith75 on Nov 20, 2007 9:00 PM PST reply actions

ugghh, rip the scab off

the healing was just taking hold an now this?

just the thought we might have been an Al Thornton away from a KG deal - arrgghh

still, gotta agree with lightz0ut above that GSW wasn't going to be a palatable destination for KG

by hardcore on Nov 20, 2007 9:25 PM PST reply actions

tnx god

this diuree came after 2-6 not 0-6

-too much about nothing

i m definitely trade talk hater

build a team & destroy the roof

by Lat We N Trash on Nov 20, 2007 11:41 PM PST reply actions

Calm Down

Boston Celtics in Basketball are like the Red Sox of the MLB. A traditional powerhouse.

The Golden State Warriors are not.

Everything being equal, you gotta give the nod to Boston's tradition over GS.

I can see his decision. We needed someone to turn things around. Sounds like he wants to coast to a ring and then retire and spend his cash.

We're better off with someone hungrier.

by Gain on 10 on Nov 21, 2007 9:04 AM PST reply actions

It's not all about Kevin Mchale...

It was the other Kevin that influenced this deal imo. If this was any other player, Minnesota might/would have taken our offer if we were willing to part with all those talents. But we all know KG had a good relationship with the management. So, they're not just gonna dump him (like we did JRich, unfortunately) just like that. They had to value his opinion, and he probably didn't think there's a chance for him to win a title here.

And I disagree with him not wanting the easiest way to get to the Finals. This guy has been battling the best of the best, and was usually at the short end of the stick. Why do you think guys like Malone and Payton signed with the Lakers that had Kobe and Shaq? Or Reggie Miller thinking of a comeback? I mean, I won't be that surprised if Malone decided to return to the Jazz. lol

by lightz0ut on Nov 21, 2007 2:00 PM PST reply actions