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OPEN THREAD: Game 9 - Warriors @ Knicks

Warriors (W-L): 2-6

Knicks (W-L): 2-7

Time: 4:30pm PST

TV: FSN Bay Area

Radio: KNBR 680


The Warriors are on a win streak! The Warriors followed up their win against the Clippers with a come from behind win against the Raptors (thanks to JAlba of course). Despite the 2-6 record, things for the Warriors are looking much rosier than their opponent tonight, the New York Knickerbockers. The Knicks are struggling big time. After starting the season 2-1, they've lost 6 in a row (sound familiar?). You won't want to miss this game so be sure to get home in time for the early start time.


I teamed up with Seth, from SB Nation Knicks blog, Posting and Toasting, to do a Q&A before the game to get a preview of the Knicks from a Knicks fan's perspective. For this preview, he asked me 3 questions about the Dubs and I asked him 3 questions about the Knicks. Here are his responses to my questions:

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FJ, Golden State of Mind: The Knicks started off 2-1 and then suffered 5 straight close defeats followed by a blowout loss to Denver. They now sit at 2-7. What happened in the recent games for the team to slip? Do you think this recent slide has a lot to do with the Stephon Marbury situation, the road trip out West or are the Knicks just not very good right now?

Seth, Posting and Toasting: The answer to your "what happened?" question? Everything. The Knicks of the past week or two have been faced with a perfect storm of trials. We've got disgruntled personnel with the Marbury situation. There have been absences due to injury (Richardson, Balkman, Robinson) and family matters (Randolph). The last 4 games were on the road and all within 5 nights. Meanwhile, Isiah's scrapped his short rotation and opened up the scrub-gates, meaning we've got the likes of Mardy Collins and Fred Jones getting serious minutes. Add this all together and you've got a recipe for disaster. Excuses aside, the Knicks are back to their familiar habits of turning the ball over, relaxing on defense, and falling behind early. Things do not look good.

FJ, Golden State of Mind: A lot of Warriors fans know about the skills of Zach Randolph, David Lee, Stephon Marbury and Eddy Curry. Who are two lesser known players the GSOM readers (and Warriors) should be concerned about? How are these two guys going to cause problems for the Warriors?

Seth, Posting and Toasting: Jeez. It's hard to imagine anyone causing problems for anyone right now, but I do know that the Dubs have trouble defending the three. While Jamal Crawford and Nate Robinson are streaky, they can feast from downtown if left alone. If Golden State's defensive rotation is a step slow, these guys can make 'em pay. Or at least I'd like to hope so.

FJ, Golden State of Mind: The Warriors are on a 2 game win streak after losing 6 in a row to start the season and look like the team is starting to click again. What do the Knicks have to do in order to win the game? Where do you see the Knicks have an advantage in the matchup and where might the Knicks have problems?

Seth, Posting and Toasting: The Knicks gotsta feed the paint and then feed it some more. The Warriors' small lineup causes a number of mismatches on defense (Randolph can't handle Stephen Jackson or Al Harrington. Curry can't keep Biedrins off the glass.), but we have a pretty sizable edge on offense with the EZ Money frontcourt. It all depends on pace, and whether we can use our relative girth as an advantage. The Nuggets beat the Knicks the right way- by running the break and/or getting wide-open threes over the sluggish defense. The Warriors have even more weapons in that department. On the other hand, if the Knicks can slow things down and bang bodies with Golden State's lighter big men, I think this game is winnable.

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The following are his 3 questions to me. Feel free to answer them in the comments:

  1. The Warriors notched their second win of the season upon the return of Stephen Jackson. Was this simply the result of a rejuvenated Golden State team, or does the man once famous for rolling around on the hood of a moving vehicle actually have this much effect on the Warriors' success?
  2. Marco Bellinelli lit up the Summer League, but is getting limited minutes in real games. I know you guys love him at GSoM, so tell me a little about Marco's game. Do you think he's got a legit shot at being a real NBA baller?
  3. Andris Biedrins isn't just rebounding and swatting fools this year; he's scoring. Is the big Latvian just getting more minutes than he used to, or has he actually developed an offensive game?

Also be sure to check out Posting and Toasting's Know the Opponent: Golden State Warriors Edition.


Predictions:

  • Warriors win by 5
  • Eddy Curry and Zach Randolph call timeout to eat some donuts
  • Warriors have 6 players who score in double digits
  • Biedrins runs circles around Randolph and Curry for another double double
  • Marbury does not throw a temper tantrum until the 3rd quarter

Post your predictions, answers to the questions and your comments during the game in this open thread.


Update (Fantasy Junkie): The Posting and Toasting Open Thread for tonight's game is up with my answers to his questions.


Update 2 (Fantasy Junkie): Boxscore


Update 3 (Atma Brother #1):

Warriors blow out the Knicks! 108-82

Stay tuned for the Recap!

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Prediction
Starbury + Zbo combine for 50, but take 55 shots to do it.   Dubs pull away at the end to win by 13.
Best duo since...

by Tim N Chris Burger on Nov 20, 2007 10:43 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

asdf
i hope POB gets some minutes today, wait scratch that, i hope POB AND BWright get minutes today!
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Nov 20, 2007 2:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

easy
warriors win by 20

belinelli gets a triple single 6 pts 2 rebs 1 assist

by djchuckdeez on Nov 20, 2007 2:20 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Answers to Questions
I'll try answering the three questions.
  1. Although we were improving and we had picked up a win against the Clippers before his return, he has a big impact on the team and not only did he help us with his 17 points, 5 assists and 2 blocks but he also helped lead the team and his return boosted the team's confidence.
  2. I am a fan of Belinelli (partly because I have seen him play a few times for the Italian national team in the past few years and partly because I am half-Italian. We all know he is primarily a shooter and he can go on streaks but he also needs to try and pick up some assists and rebounds as well. He has good potential and just lacks confidence, he needs more minutes and then things will hopefully get better for him.
  3. I don't know an awful amount about AB but he is a solid center for us and will be looking for good numbers to get paid $ next year. His offensive game is a bonus to the team if it improves and will give us an extra option.

by zaki on Nov 20, 2007 3:52 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Answer for #3...
Biedrins has looked as though he has stepped up his game.  He has more offensive moves and is, more importantly, being aggressive.  Furthermore, he has always been under-utilized on the offense in the past, but the Dubz have finally started feeding him the ball.  I foresee another big step in his game this season.    

by kinetic on Nov 20, 2007 3:59 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

15 more minutes
till tonights game!!

GO WARRIORS!!

by GSW glenn on Nov 20, 2007 4:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

SJax on Zach Randolph...
I'm so glad that Jack is back.

by kinetic on Nov 20, 2007 4:38 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

umm nevermind...
apparently he's not starting on Randolph tonight.

by kinetic on Nov 20, 2007 4:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you
I am not in SoCal but much further away from that - in London. It is 1.00AM local time and I can now watch the game from the link you provided.

by zaki on Nov 20, 2007 4:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

wow!
thank you!  this is the first live feed i've gotten this season.  much respect!

by OaktownWarrior on Nov 20, 2007 5:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

GOD Curry is OVER WEIGHT!
Best duo since...

by Tim N Chris Burger on Nov 20, 2007 4:44 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

warriors are looking bad...
against this oh so so so crappy knicks team.  Run the ball!  Stop shooting 3s!

by kinetic on Nov 20, 2007 4:56 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I shouldn't have worried...
Don Nelson got them back on track.  I think this game is in the bag. I know it's early, but come on...

by kinetic on Nov 20, 2007 5:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

crappy play
we're lucky the knicks suck. there's no reason not to take anything but layups, especially when nothing else is going in

by AJC3317 on Nov 20, 2007 4:58 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I like...
Croshere's play.  

by kinetic on Nov 20, 2007 5:05 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'm at work... arghh!
Oh well I recorded it- Im in office till 7ish 2nite so your play by plays mean a lot 2 me! Radio reception blows in office and I dont have head phones!  THX

by Tony.psd on Nov 20, 2007 5:08 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

LOL!
Boss man is around... right behind mu cube LOL!  THX!

by Tony.psd on Nov 20, 2007 5:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Knicks have been sloppy on offense
If NY continues to turn the ball over at this rate, they're in for a long night.

by UncleCliffy on Nov 20, 2007 5:11 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

The dubs might sleep walk
to a 15pt victory.
Best duo since...

by Tim N Chris Burger on Nov 20, 2007 5:14 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Dude...
Pietrus man.....u're nver going to learn are u?

by wander7 on Nov 20, 2007 5:14 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

good quarter
that crap at the end was some of the most pathetic defense i've ever seen however

by AJC3317 on Nov 20, 2007 5:14 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

belinelli in early
i'd love to see him get in the flow and knock some shots down

by AJC3317 on Nov 20, 2007 5:21 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Marco
Extends the lead....That shot was true.

by UncleCliffy on Nov 20, 2007 5:32 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

dj banger
Might be foyle 2.0

no offence, Zorgon.

Best duo since...

by Tim N Chris Burger on Nov 20, 2007 5:32 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

damn
two w-s with the ball and then randolph and-1

by buky on Nov 20, 2007 5:37 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
Better D
Worse O

by UncleCliffy on Nov 20, 2007 5:37 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Offensive
rebounds!!!!!!!!!!!!Get POB in and wright

by buky on Nov 20, 2007 5:39 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Pietrus
Did MP2 go to BBall IQ school in the offseason?

Did his agent suggest this to increase his value on the open market next year?

by UncleCliffy on Nov 20, 2007 5:41 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Nice Way to end the half
Warriors have been terrible closing quarters this year, but they played very well the last 3 minutes of the 2nd quarter.

60-47.

MSG crowd booing.

by UncleCliffy on Nov 20, 2007 5:47 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

If the dubs aren't in garbage time mode
by the beginning of the 4th, I'll be severely disappointed.  Kill this dead horse, NOW!
Best duo since...

by Tim N Chris Burger on Nov 20, 2007 5:49 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I hear ya
But c'mon...it's tough to blow out any team on the road.

by UncleCliffy on Nov 20, 2007 5:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bench
are contributing 21/8, good sign. We have yet BWright.

by muritqua on Nov 20, 2007 5:53 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

nice game so far
this should be in the books if we continue to execute calmly. Knicks are playing horrible right now and the MSG is booing loudly.

by BlauGold on Nov 20, 2007 5:59 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Al is struggling
But I'm not sure force-feeding him the ball is the answer here.

by UncleCliffy on Nov 20, 2007 6:06 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

the most imortant
is to have some +10 after 3Q
build a team & destroy the roof

by Lat We N Trash on Nov 20, 2007 6:09 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

this game
is so ugly!!!!!!!!!!!!

by saintfloppy on Nov 20, 2007 6:10 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Oh so cold!!
The weather must be responsible for the W's early 2nd half shooting woes......0-8 shooting so far...blah.

by barojax on Nov 20, 2007 6:10 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

We
are just offering them a chance while we should be up by 30

by buky on Nov 20, 2007 6:11 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

B2B 3's
The Knicks just picked up a 3 second violation and then a defensive 3 second violation within a few secs....New York must be proud.

by UncleCliffy on Nov 20, 2007 6:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

FT are crap
but where are REBS??!
build a team & destroy the roof

by Lat We N Trash on Nov 20, 2007 6:17 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Is it just me....
Or is this Knicks team reminiscent of the bad Warriors teams during the drought??

by barojax on Nov 20, 2007 6:18 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

rebs
21-38
ugly
build a team & destroy the roof

by Lat We N Trash on Nov 20, 2007 6:18 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Ugh
6 points in the qtr so far

by UncleCliffy on Nov 20, 2007 6:20 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah!
And then a quick 7.

by UncleCliffy on Nov 20, 2007 6:23 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

DJ BANGER
DJ BANGER!!!
DJ BANGER!!!
build a team & destroy the roof

by Lat We N Trash on Nov 20, 2007 6:25 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

BANGER MADE 1
build a team & destroy the roof

by Lat We N Trash on Nov 20, 2007 6:28 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Can they push the lead to 20?
I'd love to see some garbage time.

by UncleCliffy on Nov 20, 2007 6:31 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

barojax
i can't get the link to work. i'm not a league pass member.

by dsham001 on Nov 20, 2007 6:31 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

WA WA WEE WAH
Djs is looking very nice.

by STIX on Nov 20, 2007 6:32 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

asdf
ive seen this guy play 5 seconds and im already sold. big body, ruthless swat attempts, loves to bang. just missed a dunk, but thats ok. he would have been a warrior god.... haha, dam.

by STIX on Nov 20, 2007 6:35 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

So Mbenga doesnt have good hands
Botched a fast break dunk....

by barojax on Nov 20, 2007 6:35 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Austin Powers
with a nice 11 points so far.

by STIX on Nov 20, 2007 6:37 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

He's turning out
to be a good addition.  He wouldn't be here w/o the jrich trade.
Best duo since...

by Tim N Chris Burger on Nov 20, 2007 6:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

DJ BLOCX!!!!
build a team & destroy the roof

by Lat We N Trash on Nov 20, 2007 6:38 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Nice!!!
Block by Mbebga and he hustled back...

by barojax on Nov 20, 2007 6:38 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

ahahahaha
if mbenga didnt make that last block i would have laughed more... at least he redeems himself.

by saintdee on Nov 20, 2007 6:38 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Capt. Jack
is going to have a big game tomorrow night in Boston.

by UncleCliffy on Nov 20, 2007 6:44 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

anyone else see
Randolph shoving Biedrins after he lost the ball?

by kinetic on Nov 20, 2007 6:50 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

get baron out of there
right now...remember how Isaiah made threats against Denver...no need for Baron to be in there, no need to risk him...the fans are leaving the building, Baron should leave the floor.  Now.

by mikej on Nov 20, 2007 6:51 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

It's official
Well done. Baron is raining 3s now.

A Brandan Wright sighting?

by UncleCliffy on Nov 20, 2007 6:51 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

wow
FIRE ISAIAH!

BOO!!!

by saintdee on Nov 20, 2007 6:53 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

first time
opponent under 100
build a team & destroy the roof

by Lat We N Trash on Nov 20, 2007 6:53 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Man....
I think even Kosta would get a few laps in this one....

by STIX on Nov 20, 2007 6:53 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

great game
kill a team that we're supposed to kill. the thing i loved most was the defense! there were guys scrambling all over the court. great hustle

by AJC3317 on Nov 20, 2007 7:01 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

JAckson
Jackson just can't miss can he :PPPP lol we shot so many 3's.....

by riceisnicee on Nov 20, 2007 7:02 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

3-game win streak...
heading into Boston!  I would love to see them pick up a win against the celtics tomorrow night.

by kinetic on Nov 20, 2007 7:02 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

hahahaa
Mike Motgomery doing pre games for the standford yale game. aaahahahahaha.

by STIX on Nov 20, 2007 7:03 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Jack
Seems like Jackson just makes everyone else play better D. His energy on that end is infectious.

by UncleCliffy on Nov 20, 2007 7:03 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Final score
108-92

Boxscore

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2007112018Box score

First game the Dubs limits the opteam below 100

by muritqua on Nov 20, 2007 7:03 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Sorry
108 - 82

by muritqua on Nov 20, 2007 7:04 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

It may just be the Knicks ...
But this was a nice win. Heading into Boston with a 2-7 record on the second night of a back-to-back would have been ugly. They'll already be playing a Celtics team that's rested and ticked off after losing its first game, so getting the front end of the double header was key. Jack is back, baby.
Baron&Jason&Monta&Stephen&Al. FOREVAH.

by Johnny D on Nov 20, 2007 7:05 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

3 Game win-streak
It was the right time to play the Knicks and we eased to victory in the end. I'm surprised Wright and O'Bryant weren't given much (if any) playing time, oh well - I can't complain really.
Now we're heading to Boston on a 3 game win streak.

by zaki on Nov 20, 2007 7:06 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

^%*&#& Nelson
Its coaching like this that won't win us the game tomorrow!

What is Baron, Jax, and AB doing in the game when their up 20?

Where the hell is POB and Wright??? Please give me one good reason. uhh...there is none.

We already know what Croshere is going to give us, how about playing the young guys?

%*($(& Nelson. Terrible.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Nov 20, 2007 7:07 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Um here is 5 reasons why they were in
1)They were in because we are still 3 games under 500.
2)They need to play together.
3)It wasnt an overtly physical or emotional game, no harm letting them get a few more laps.
4) I said so
5)Chuny peanut butter is better than creamy

by STIX on Nov 20, 2007 7:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

the only valid
reason you gave was reason number 2. But still, they need to be saved for the more competitve contest tomorrow.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Nov 20, 2007 7:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Just got back from MSG- Jack's got my back...
not the greatest game- but a win

knick fans are a dispirited bunch. all they did was chant "fire isiah" to the tune of "lets go knicks".

i was talking to a knicks fan and said Jack was a good passer, well Jack wasn't passing much tonight, so i started hearing it every time jack took and missed a shot. these guys didn't have much to cheer about and started getting even more annoying ('thug' stereotypes, totally misrepresenting our tri-captain). it started getting on my nerves, until finally- FINALLY- that beautiful bounce pass into croshere, and he really came alive. i mean-mugged them b/c i knew jack would have my back. the fools behind me were very quiet. not much of a story, but it was very satisfying to see the guys (along with 1/2 the crowd) scurry away with 8 minutes to go.

still it just makes me happy the warriors are not that crappy anymore- i really felt sorry for the families and fans, b/c they had nothing to cheer for. the few warriors fans, we were slapping 5's whenever we saw each other- it was pretty cool.

this game was a rest, that kind of play definitely won't win many games...

by airport son on Nov 20, 2007 7:51 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

hey
was that you than with the we believe shirt?
What you thought that I only played basketball? I AM A Golden State WARRIOR!

by 24k state fan since 87 on Nov 20, 2007 10:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

nah
i had the city on, by i saw that dude walking around.

by airport son on Nov 21, 2007 10:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Great Surprise
Did not get to see game as was working.  Nice to see everyone contribute and the W's win even with apparently Al and Biedrins in foul trouble.  Monta came up with 4 assists and ZERO TOs.  When was the last time he came up with those numbers.

Feel slightly sorry for Knick fans because they pay huge $$ and they get to see Mr. Max Contract, Zach, go for 7 TOs.  Beautiful.  Also Nate Robinson 0-6.  Sweet.

Nothing better than "The City".

by philsmith75 on Nov 20, 2007 8:45 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Warriors
totally destroyed the team they were supposed to beat.  Man, just that they didn't meltdown in the final minutes made me feel good.  Hopefully they won't lose a beat in tomorrow's game!  Go Warriors!!

by semarubaka on Nov 20, 2007 9:24 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I feel
bad for that organization. The Knicks have such a large pay roll and they got some decent players but they dont know how to play team basketball. All their players are too worried about themselves and their money! I especially feel bad for Isiah Thomas since the NY fans are chanting "Fire Isaiah" though it really isnt his fault. He put a pretty good group of guys out there, its just they dont kno how to play.
Ballin

by ballin on Nov 20, 2007 10:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I disagree...
...about the job Isiah has done puting the team together. He signed a point guard who's teams become elite the moment he leaves them, stiffs like Jerome James and Maurice Taylor, and worst of all, he's united the two most atrociously overweight players left in the league now that Tractor Traylor is gone. I was absolutely aghast seeing Eddy Curry tonight, he's got to be at least sixty or seventy pounds over his playing weight.

by Zack Vank on Nov 20, 2007 10:58 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Ha Ha Ha
THe NY color guy said he was 6-11 285lbs.  More like 385 lbs.
Best duo since...

by Tim N Chris Burger on Nov 21, 2007 6:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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