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RECAP: Warriors 120, Nuggets 124 - Where's the D?

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Too much AI



What a frustrating game. When you put up 120 points, you usually expect to win. But when the other team shoots 51% and goes to the line nearly 36 times, you're going to have a tough time winning. As Fitz seems to say too often, "This is the best that the (Insert Team Name) can play." That's what happened tonight, the Nuggets played very well and shot the lights out. It seemed like they could do anything at will. The Warriors should have been blown out considering how hot the Nuggets were. What could have won the game? What kept the Warriors in the game? Find out after the jump.




Foul! AI's still at the free throw line right now.

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Where was the D?



What could have won the game?
Simply put, defense. The Warriors played man to man defense nearly the entire game. There was no trapping, no swarming, no double teaming, just straight up man to man. Playing AI and Melo one on one is exactly what Denver wants you to do and it's not the style of defense I'm accustomed to seeing the Warriors play. Nobody can guard AI or Melo one on one, they're just too good of scorers. You might stop them a few times, but eventually they'll get their buckets. With that man to man defense against guards who can penetrate, you need an enforcer down low someone like, I don't know, Marcus Camby. The Warriors don't have that guy who blocks or at least makes you change your shot. Biedrins is the closest thing but I don't see anyone being intimidated or think twice about driving the lane with him in there. So why not run that chaotic, scrambling defense that we've seen before? Make someone else beat you.

In the first few quarters, with Melo using the post so often, after Barnes and Pietrus had their turns of guarding him unsuccessfully, throw a second defender at him in the post. Make him a passer. He had all of 0 assists for the entire game. For a guy who touches the ball so many times, he just doesn't want to pass, so make him pass.

I can understand not doing double teaming for the first 3 quarters since the Warriors kept it close and saving it for the 4th quarter so that the Nuggets have less time to figure out how to adjust to it. Here's my plan for the 4th. With Melo sitting out with 5 fouls, double team AI every time he touches the ball. Again, make someone else beat you. Make AI into a passer rather than a scorer. I would much rather have Linas Kleiza, Eduardo Najera, Nene, Marcus Camby, Anthony Carter, and Chucky Atkins beat me than let AI continue to draw fouls and score all the points from the free throw line. He played a great game and I think the Warriors let him do it. If Chucky Atkins goes off for 20, I'm okay with that. He's not going to do that very often, so I'll take my chances that he won't do it this time. Just don't continually play man defense on AI and let him drive at will.

I'm sure other teams have tried the double team tactic, and it doesn't always work. But I think you have to switch up your D when it's as porous as it was. Monta and Jax couldn't stay in front of AI and Pietrus and Barnes could defend Melo. Hopefully Nellie tries something else on Sunday or else it could really turn into a blowout.

On a side note, I'm just throwing this out there, but with the Nuggets style of play on offense, it makes me wonder whether or not they're a better team with both AI and Melo on the team. That offense is not based on movement, it's based on AI and Melo going one on one while everyone watches and then Marcus Camby collecting some offensive rebounds. They had 13 assists on 43 made shots whereas the Warriors had 29 assists on 44 made shots. It doesn't feel like the two superstars play off of each other, rather they take turns scoring. If they're always going one on one, does that really utilize the other guy's talent as much as it should? Having AI there when Melo was in foul trouble was huge for them tonight, but in the long run let's say you trade AI for a dead eye spot up shooting guard and/or a penetrating, pass first PG. The Nuggets are pretty poor shooting 3 point team (Eduardo Najera leads them in 3pt %). Build around Melo's game rather than the your turn, my turn, offense right now. Does that make them a better team?




What kept the Warriors in the game?
There were two things aside from Baron that kept the Warriors in the game tonight. The first was the offensive rebounding, 19 offensive rebounds! The Warriors really hit the glass hard offensively. Since they weren't shooting nearly as well as the Nuggets, they offset that with just getting more shots off. They also did a great job taking care of the ball, no travelling, charges or passes out of bounds. Basically, they made the most of those offensive rebounds given that they were shooting in the 30's for most of the game.

The second thing that kept the Warriors close were the 3 pointers. They shot 14-36 from 3, good for 38.9%. They were just one wide open Stephen Jackson 3 from taking the lead in the final seconds. If he hits we have an entirely different ballgame. But he shot it long and that was the game. Here's where the 3's helped. There were so many times the Nuggets made their run to push the lead to 6 or 9 and the Warriors would fire back with a made 3 to keep the game manageable. The 3's kept the game close. I don't think we can have it both ways with this team where sometimes they let loose and shoot 3's, and other times they have to be conservative. These were wide open three's they were taking, they just missed too many of them. This team thrives on the 3 and when they shoot it at nearly 40%, you take it. The 3's kept the game close and they were able to get so many more offensive opportunities because of the offensive rebounding.




Swarming


Game Notes

  • Denver just swarms you when you drive. Seemed like every time the Warriors drove the lane there were 2 or 3 Denver bigs waiting to block the shot. Camby, Nene, Melo, Kleiza, and Najera clogged up the lane and made it difficult for the Warriors penetration tonight.
  • Kelenna had some big rebounds. He just seems to get up higher than anyone and always catches the ball at the height of his jumps. When he's routinely mixing it up on the boards, we're a better team.
  • Monta had an off night and we needed him to score. He missed his midrange jumpers that he had been hitting the past 5 or so games. Did this make Jax to think he had to shoot more shots even though he was shooting poorly? Maybe.
  • Milk carton: Al Harrington. I thought he had a chance to have a big game with Camby guarding him. Had a lot of open looks from 3 but didn't knock down any. He was brought off the bench to give the bench some spark and didn't do it.
  • Even with Al going 5-15, Monta 5-16, Jax 9-27, the game was still close. Thank the offensive boards and the made 3's.
  • Same ol' Pietrus. Just doesn't seem to know how to play within the system such as where he's supposed to be on defense and offense.
  • Biedrins played well. I thought they could have gone to him more in the post against Najera and Nene especially with Al, Monta, and Jax shooting the high volume of shots at a low percentage.






Baron excited about another Warrior Wonder


Baron Davis: Baron just does it all. Scores, runs the offense, plays great D. When he was matched up on AI in the 4th, the Warriors made a little run to come back. When he was matched up on Melo twice in the final minutes, he forced Melo into two misses that allowed the Warriors to tie the game. I wish he took that last shot instead of passing out to Kaz, but it led to a wide open 3 for Jax. Can't argue with the shot we got, it's just that I would rather have Baron take a driving layup. Magnificent game from Baron with his 29 points (10-17), 13 assists, and 5 boards.

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Major problems
1. Playing defense without fouling

That should be our #1 concern, since we've been giving up fouls way too much. It's not the ref's fault too, because we are simply unwilling or incapable of playing better fundamental D.

This is where playing Pietrus even in limited minutes is such a disadvantage- he had 4 fouls last night in under 20 minutes IIRC. When he's on the floor, we should just give the other team the bonus, since it's inevitable anyways. MP and Barnes can't help but to reach or bump whether necessary or not.

Pietrus claim to fame was his defensive potential, but he's just so lacking. He doesn't stay down, he overcommits on team defense, often crashing into OTHER teammates so they hit someone and get a foul; he reaches; he doesn't anticipate and use his length and quickness to its full advantage.

Barnes just doesn't have Pietrus' raw athleticism, so asking him to defend the 'Melos of the world is just too much.

Biedrins picked up fouls as well, but it's hard to put too much blame when he has to come over and help so much, exposing himself to smaller men penetrating into the lane. Harrington insists on trying to draw charges instead of blocking shots. Our interior is exposed because our perimeter is porous.

At some point, we need to take a page out of the Suns book and just NOT FOUL. The fouls slow the pace of the game and force us to operate out of the half court, which leads us to...

2. Offensive efficiency

We shot the 3P decently, but not spectacularly. That means we hit enough 3P to stay close, but not enough to win- how often has that happened?

The Nuggets got ANYWHERE they wanted and ANY SHOT they wanted- even when they missed those shots, they were attacking the basket and went to the line.

We camped out all day. With Baron in the game, there was enough "bail out" to stick around, but as we saw at the end of the 3Q, the second he left, the offense disappeared. We took 3 3P's and missed them all, and had a turnover. Where are the easy buckets without Baron? Who creates offense for us? Our backup PG did a horrible job...wait..WE DON'T HAVE ONE.

3. Stephen Jackson

He's the foundation...and the ceiling. Honestly, h e's miscast as the second best player on a playoff team...or at least the second highest usage player on a playoff team. His fire and versatility have been tremendously beneficial...but the turnover rate and FG% will continue to hold us back. He takes the second most shots, but he's shooting around 40% or worse on most nights. If everyone else is on fire, then we survive, but if everyone isn't playing out of their minds, then Jackson just accentuates our deficiency.

The best solution would be for Jack to expend more energy on defense and defer to someone else on offense, becoming more opportunistic a scorer, especially when he's cold...but who else can create offense? Ellis and Harrington are candidates, but they were no where to be found. The next two weeks against all these quality opponents we'll find out if it's worth giving them that type of responsibility...or whether it's time to find another option.

A Golden state of mind Indeed.

AIM: Jetforze

by OptionZero on Dec 29, 2007 11:58 AM PST   0 recs

Jackson's shooting
is indeed a major problem, especially combined with his relatively high turnovers and low rebounds.  

His energy rarely flags on defense, even on tough covers, even at 40+ minutes per game.  I don't think he's saving anything for offense.  His weakness for taking shots early in the clock and throwing passes through lanes that aren't really there is unfortunately part of the same psychological package that drives him on defense throughout the game: he wants to make things happen, and sometimes he's just not the guy to make it happen.

I doubt Jackson will change his shot selection significantly.  He'll think about it now and then, maybe comment on it now and then, but his moment-by-moment competitive mania overpowers common sense at times.  

That same mania, especially in playing man defense and in getting to the foul line when the offense has stalled or when the opponent has gone on a run, has also helped the Warriors.  Jackson is an example of a player who clearly benefits the team (look at the wins with/wins without), presumably through the poorly measurable area of defense, despite having glaring weaknesses that show plainly in the stats.

Indiana fans and management gave up on Jackson for his weaknesses, including his behavior.  At the moment, we're benefitting from their unwillingness, and our willingness,  to deal with the complex of strengths and weaknesses that he brings to a team.

by mikej on Dec 30, 2007 10:55 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Whatta Game
Seriously that was a hell of a great game to watch live. If you've never seen Allen Iverson play live, it's a must. His speed, handles, finishes, fire, and craftiness are just unworldly.

Man what if the Warriors won the AI sweepstakes last year?
http://goldenstateofmind.com/story/2006/12/19/231333/49

I thought Biedrins' defensive was pretty porous and he was soft all night long, but guess what- so was pretty much every other Warrior defender all night aside from a few great plays and stops by BD (that block on Melo was amazing!). Props to my man Fantasy Junkie for the excellent defensive notes. I think the most worrisome point is:

With that man to man defense against guards who can penetrate, you need an enforcer down low someone like, I don't know, Marcus Camby. The Warriors don't have that guy who blocks or at least makes you change your shot. Biedrins is the closest thing but I don't see anyone being intimidated or think twice about driving the lane with him in there.

If Biedrins can step up his man and weak side D, this team instantly becomes much better. That's where he needs to improve the most to help make this team go farther and be a guy Nellie will play big minutes.

Plain and simple. The Warriors just got beat by a better team on their own court and they're going to get blown out by a better team on the road on Sunday night. Brace yourselves.

by Atma Brother ONE on Dec 29, 2007 12:02 PM PST   0 recs

where's the help?
The Nuggets trot Nene and Camby out there, and even Najera is a pretty tough defender.

I give the Nuggets credit for being in attack mode all night, even if it was with one-on-one play.

We never sent the double-teams on defense necessary to get the ball out of Iverson/Melo's hands.

On offense, we sat back and rested our fate on our 3P shooting.

Biedrins shot blocking total is down, but I wager its not a lack of shotblocking ability so much as it is a complete lack of defense around him. You can't come give weakside help in every direction, and he's the only shotblocker on the team, much less the only one on the floor.

A Golden state of mind Indeed.

AIM: Jetforze

by OptionZero on Dec 29, 2007 12:29 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Biedrins'
Although I must add I WOULD like to see what you pointed out- Biedrins blocking more shots.

Given that he's already getting fouls trying to cut off penetration, asking him to be even more aggressive is probably trouble.

If Nellie would play other bigs like Wright or Mbenga or POB who could block shots...this might be less of a problem. but he doesnt.

A Golden state of mind Indeed.

AIM: Jetforze

by OptionZero on Dec 29, 2007 2:29 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

iverson
I totally agree about him. He seemed to be on another level last night. I have never seen him live beofore, and I can only imagine what it would have been like to see him in his prime, or even in high school or college.
we will miss your j rich

by ripjrich on Dec 29, 2007 2:26 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

What if we had won the AI sweepstakes?
Well, it depends on what we would have had to give up, but I imagine we'd wouldn't be much better than we are now.

Atma Bro, I share your love of Iverson: imo, along with Nash, he's the most aesthetically "beautiful" player in the NBA to watch, with his preternatural body control and understanding of angles, lanes, spacing, etc. Also, like Nash, he's just an incredibly charismatic dude. But -- channeling Berri and JAE -- I think the correlation between all that beauty and charm and wins is pretty dubious.

Ignoring $$$, would you trade Biedrins straight up for Allen Iverson? I don't discount the aesthetic improvement -- hoops is about entertainment, after all. But in terms of wins, I think it the upgrade from Monta/Kelenna to Iverson and concurrent downgrade from AB to POB/Banger might actually be a net loss.

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 29, 2007 2:56 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Iverson
This year Iverson is shooting 46%.

Hs only drawbacks are 3p% and To's and defending larger guards, but given his increased scoring efficiency and how much havoc he wrecks on defenses by himself...plus his durability...

Yeah, Iverson looks pretty good.

I still think you  need to team him with a big PG and an SF who can shoot 3's (both of whom can operate off-ball) for maximum effectiveness.

A Golden state of mind Indeed.

AIM: Jetforze

by OptionZero on Dec 29, 2007 3:26 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Barnes
As much as I love Barnes, I felt that his turnovers took a lot of the air out of the balloon after some nice stops by the Ws at the other end. Value your possessions!

by flaaron on Dec 29, 2007 12:06 PM PST   0 recs

Denver
Was on Fire last night. If they come back down to earth on Sunday we have a good chance of winning. If we shoot 50% we crush them. Awesome game to watch last night.

by highflya on Dec 29, 2007 12:06 PM PST   0 recs

unfortunately
they're not going to come back down to earth because they will be playing at home, and we will continue to give them wide open looks from everywhere on the floor. i agree with atma, i expect a blowout

by AJC3317 on Dec 29, 2007 12:54 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Shoot the J baron!
I totally agree about having baron take the last shot...i mean yeah we got a great look out of his movement but he passed the ball on our last two attempts (1 being a turnover the other being the jack miss)---i guess i rather live or die off baron in the final seconds...he's our star!

but i guess he did the right thing.

and about matt barnes from the other comment. His game is totally pissing me off...he seems to have crucial turn overs in every game now. It seems like he's trying to do too much. I didn't see that from him last year (maybe he trying to play up to his 3 mill contract since he never had that much money before)---but he's always doing some really stupid passes. Like he can just hold the ball a second longer and let the space clear out but instead he just throws it to the other team! super frustrating...

Warriors...nuff said.

by WarriorsQ on Dec 29, 2007 2:16 PM PST   0 recs

close
With the team struggling to get over the hump, they finally got it late into the game. I still think that is a great positive, that the team can still remain in it for so long, even being so close. Now they just need that finisher
Thunder!!!

by PHUT! on Dec 29, 2007 7:09 PM PST   0 recs

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