Rumor: Nellie Wants Another Trade + Mickael Pietrus on the Trading Block

by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 14, 2007 9:02 AM PST in Rumors

From Mike Monroe of the San Antonio Express-News:

Though the Warriors already pulled off the biggest trade of the season -- Mike Dunleavy, Jr., Ike Diogu, Troy Murphy and Keith McLeod to the Pacers for Al Harrington, Sarunas Jasikevicius, Stephen Jackson and Josh Powell -- Don Nelson is said to be itching for one more pre-deadline deal. Expect Mickael Pietrus to be dangled but only if GM Chris Mullin can get value in return. Pietrus intrigues a lot of teams, but when Jason Richardson is fully healthy, there won't be a lot of playing time for him.

The Warriors are at a curious point. They are currently a very unimpressive 5 games below the .500 mark, however they are only 1.5 games out of the final playoff spot in the West. One bold move at the trade deadline could push them over the top and help then end that ridiculous 12 year streak. On the other hand, if the Warriors entered into tank mode they could potential score themselves a real stud in this upcoming draft to fill in one of their gaping holes for years to come.

Should the Warriors be looking to make a move at the deadline this year to make a run at the playoffs or just go into tank mode for a balla in the 2k7 NBA Draft?

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F' it...

go for the post season! I'm done drafting players... if we wanna have high position in the draft then trade for it.... Boston gave away their 7th pick for Sebastian Telfair... Telfair... yeah... EXACTLY! I'm sure that there are more dumbass GM's out there... I mean we did find someone to take Dunleavy and Murphy's contracts. We can find someone to give up a mid-round pick (10-15) for Pietrus and friends... We're almost guarenteed to pick no lower than 17th anyways... why not go for it... it's a deep deep draft.

by mightymadskillz on Feb 14, 2007 9:15 AM PST 0 recs

just go into tank mode?

The problem is they might not be good at tank mode either! We seem to win the games we shouldn't so we'd probably win if we tried to lose? The subs do as good as the starters often times so how would we effectively tank?
Naw I say let's play Josh with Dris more to try and develope a little bigger halfcourt game then let cabbages pick and roll a bit and see what happens.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 14, 2007 9:55 AM PST 0 recs

joking

i'm all for trading pietrus. If it is a trade for the future. Anyone that comes in now i see as a band aid for a gushing wound.

The warriors have nothing to offer teams in the lottery to move up. Therefore we need to have a worse record if we want to draft a stud. Which i am all for now. Warriors, make my wish come true! Winless after the break!

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league. Purgatory is thy home.

by kenntoe on Feb 14, 2007 10:44 AM PST 0 recs

Mp

I say offer up ..... MP, BArnes, zarko and foyle..... so 3 expiring contracts, and offer up our 2007 and the 76ers 2007 which we own as well as a 2010 pick for PAo Gasol. Memphis already says it is lowering expectations and are looking for payroll cuts..... 3 first rounders give them something to build with.... I would offer this same deal to Minny for KG... though we would have to add baron to make that one work....

by boogielew on Feb 14, 2007 10:45 AM PST 0 recs

IIRC

we probably won't actually be getting a pick from the Sixers. I think it's lottery-protected, and if we don't get it, which we most certainly will not seeing as how the Sixers have no chance of making the playoffs, it becomes $1 million in Cohan's pocket.

by ffgolden on Feb 14, 2007 1:33 PM PST up 0 recs

Actually...

I read that the $1 million will go to Mark Cuban's pocket. Warriors get nada. zip.

by MightyReds2020 on Feb 14, 2007 5:21 PM PST up 0 recs

why would Memphis

trade a 7'0 allstar for four scrubs

MP, BArnes, zarko and foyle. Not one of them is even a legit starter

Um yeh thats a good deal

by Zig on Feb 14, 2007 2:28 PM PST up 0 recs

A stupid question?

Does anyone have a rough idea how much revenue (TV, merchandising, etc.) a team gains for a playoff berth, even if they don't make it past the first round? And whether that might bring in enough to parlay into decent trade(s) or contract extension(s)?
Anyway, the Warriors don't seem all that blessed when it comes to the lottery or making wise draft decisions, so I'm pretty ambivalent on whether it would be better to tank or try for a playoff push.

by Ray of Lite on Feb 14, 2007 11:12 AM PST 0 recs

Easy Answer: Trade MP, Please.

The man has a low basketball IQ and has "upside" aound the NBA bc of this physique and athleticism (both of which mean nothing if you just stand in the corner to shoot 3's). I say trade him away and land some sort of a decent big man.

Screw the draft. A mid first round pick cannot be relied on to change the fate of our franchise.

Championship Parade Route Starts on Hegenberger

by cobra kai on Feb 14, 2007 11:22 AM PST 0 recs

Whaddyathink?

Reading through ESPN Insider, as I do every day, there are some big men that seem to be on the block. Gooden from the Cavs...maybe Frye from the Knicks and supposedly Darko from the Magic..aside from the bigger names like Gasol, who I don't think we would be able to put together a good enough package to land him.

But the 3 I mentioned I think would be able to contribute, especially in our offense. And they can play some D..(well not all too familiar w/ Frye's D) Would you guys think that we could package up Pietrus and maybe a pick or another player for these guys? And would it be worth it? I'd say so.

HE GOT IT!!!!!!!

by esco41510 on Feb 14, 2007 11:23 AM PST 0 recs

I would love to have either one of the 3

If I had to rank i'd go Darko first, Gooden second and Frye third.

by mightymadskillz on Feb 14, 2007 11:29 AM PST up 0 recs

i wonder

what sleepy's going to say

by gsw4life on Feb 14, 2007 11:41 AM PST 0 recs

I say ....

GO WARRIORS!!!!!!!

p.s. -- please please please lose lots of games and improve our chances at Durant or Oden...

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 14, 2007 3:51 PM PST up 0 recs

I agree....

Darko seems like the best defender out of the 3, best size also. You know we love those crazy euros..lol...I tried the ESPN Trade machine and there are a few combos that would work to get him.

Gooden is a bit smaller than I would want but he's good defender and a good rebounder both columns we need help in.

As for Frye, he seems mobile for a big, would probably fit in nicely in the system.

It would be nice to see them give it a shot and pick up an decent big. I feel you guys on the draft not being the best option anymore. We have some good, young talent to work on. We don't need another P.O.B. type project...

HE GOT IT!!!!!!!

by esco41510 on Feb 14, 2007 11:43 AM PST 0 recs

Knicks

Of the players on the Knicks, I'd rather have David Lee than Frye. Lee has been having an amazing season and seems to be an interior rebounder who converts when he gets the ball. Frye hasn't shown that he's much of a rebounder for his size and we don't need another 45% tall guy who rebounds only adequately for his size. Fyre has been a negative on the court for the Knicks this year. We don't need another guy who has already shown he's not a positive contributor for a bad team hoping somehow that that player morphs just because they're in a new time zone.

Isiah seems to draft well, but hasn't shown that he's above making terrible trades. Earlier this season he sent Lee to the bench Maybe we can steal Lee from him.

by jae on Feb 14, 2007 12:42 PM PST up 0 recs

was reading today that Lee has no D

too lazy to find the article, think it was at nytimes.com, essentially said that he couldn't cover small or power forwards... i think Lee is big on rebounds but not much else...

All-time Oakland Warriors: Hardaway, J-Rich, Mullin, Mr. Mean & The Chief

by OaktownWarrior on Feb 14, 2007 1:24 PM PST up 0 recs

David Lee

Big on rebounds usually correlates more with winning than being a scorer for what it's worth, though the former is less likely to get paid well and the latter is more likely to score a bunch of points in losing causes.

Lee is getting a double-double scoring about 10 a night in a bit over 30 minutes. The scoring isn't impressive until you realize that he's getting those 11 points on 7 shots, largely by hitting 61% from the floor and 80% from the line. Undoubtedly some of those high percentage shots are the same type that Biedrins already gets us, but having another guy who boards and converts when he gets the ball, especially one who isn't a liability at the line late in games, would be a big plus. He's also had more assists than turnovers for his career indicating he knows how to take care of the ball and doesn't force things.

by jae on Feb 14, 2007 1:44 PM PST up 0 recs

Lee's defense

I've learned to be suspicious of what I read about a player's defense. Some people suggested that Harrington and Jackson would be defensive upgrades. Hasn't happened yet, despite having a very very low bar to clear. But even if he's merely a rebounder, rebounds are a big part of defense, probably the single biggest component necessary in obtaining a stop. More than half of all shots in the NBA miss, meaning that there's a board to grab more often than not. Grabbing a defensive rebound secures a possession without having just seen your opponent score. If you don't rebound, your defense won't be effective since that's the most common way you get the ball back without your opponent scoring. There's a possibility that he's another Murphy, rebounding but if he doesn't pull the board, it's because there was an easy basket, but his +/- suggests otherwise--he's tops on the Knicks here--and their defensive FG% is 2 points better with him in than with him out.

by jae on Feb 14, 2007 1:51 PM PST up 0 recs

Possible Power Forwards

How about the Cav's backup 4, Sideshow Varejao? Long and lanky, good energy player, solid on boards, unsophisticated offense and an unrestricted free agent after the season as well. Plus the Cav's need swingmen and scorers. I like Gooden but for the dubs game Anderson V. might be the better fit.

Cheers!

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by Mano de Nada on Feb 14, 2007 4:33 PM PST up 0 recs

I like sideshow too

he is a good offensive rebounder

I do think we might be a little skewed because he kills the Warriors front line but still

So the Cavs can't match the offers? I thought that was changed because of Gilbert

by Zig on Feb 14, 2007 6:03 PM PST up 0 recs

Sideshow

I might be wrong about that - don't quote me on his his deal. Still he might be a better match for the dubs than Gooden, definitely cheaper; an offer of MP (and maybe a 2nd round pick) would be fair (and that won't come close to getting Gooden).

Cheers!

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by Mano de Nada on Feb 14, 2007 7:02 PM PST up 0 recs

Actually speaking of P.O.B....

He's been putting up some nice #'s in the NBDL...maybe we'll see something out of him after all...that would be a blessing in disguise if we don't pick up another big.

HE GOT IT!!!!!!!

by esco41510 on Feb 14, 2007 11:45 AM PST 0 recs

POB

Last 7 games avg

17 pts

11+ Boards

last game 4 blocks.

Give him time to develope.

by Gain on 10 on Feb 14, 2007 11:59 AM PST 0 recs

Thanks for the #'s Gain....

Those don't look too shaby now do they..?

HE GOT IT!!!!!!!

by esco41510 on Feb 14, 2007 12:01 PM PST 0 recs

From SFGATE.COM

Big-man boost: Although the Warriors keep losing their guards to injury, their big men appear to be gaining stature. Nelson praised newcomer Josh Powell after his efficient 12-point, five-rebound game in Denver.

Meanwhile, rookie Patrick O'Bryant is averaging 17.0 points, 12.3 rebounds and 3.3 blocks while shooting 51 percent in his last six games for the D-League's Bakersfield Jam.

After initially saying O'Bryant would remain in the minors until the Jam's season is over, Nelson said during the last road trip that O'Bryant could be recalled earlier.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2007/02/14/SPG0PO47H81.DTL

It looks like O'Bryant could be back a lot sooner than many of us thought. If we don't trade for another big in the next week, I think he will be up by March. Plus it good to hear Nellie praise Powell. hopefully he will use him more.

by yehyeh82 on Feb 14, 2007 12:35 PM PST up 0 recs

The Draft?

The only thing that compares to our pathetic skid of not making the playoffs is our horrible draft record; I don't need to go over all the horrible picks and the incredible players we could have instead, but I'm sick and tired of people saying we should chuck out the season and get a good 1st Round pick. Yes Monta and Andris seem to be an improvement over Dunzo and (I love you, but come on) Adonal, but those might as well have been lucky picks considering all the poor ones. Can we please just stop playing horrible, unforced error roundball and make a run instead of complaining about another horrible lottery pick???

by WAWAWAWorrier on Feb 14, 2007 12:19 PM PST 0 recs

hope we can get one more thing done

just get another solid big to help ab. hopefully mullin can convince some other gm that pietrus still has loads of potential

by AJC3317 on Feb 14, 2007 12:28 PM PST 0 recs

W.I.T.

means "whatever it takes" its a stupid acronym I remember our high school football team had. And we should do WIT in order to get into the post season. I just want to see the warriors on ABC before I die championship or not.

by djchuckdeez on Feb 14, 2007 12:48 PM PST 0 recs

I'm against tanking in all its forms

Even if we get swept by the Suns in the first round, it gives us a taste of the atmosphere and the "feel" of a playoff game. That's priceless experience, especially for our young core group of players.

It seems to me that we're closer to getting to the playoffs than getting the first pick (or should i say, a chance at the first pick). Can this team tank up a storm to get us there? Most likely not. We score at too good a pace, making it hard to lose any more than 3 games in a row. Eventually we'll win 140-139, ya know? With that in mind, it makes much more sense to rid ourselves of the Streak and create a winning atmosphere. Baby steps guys, baby steps...

I doubt that Pietrus is worth anything around the league. But then again I doubted Murphleavy was worth anything around the league as well.

by GameSix on Feb 14, 2007 1:13 PM PST 0 recs

Tanking?

This team needs to fight until the season is done, regardless of the outcome, and hopefully gain/earn/get some experience that most of the players are lacking.

Even an 8th seed vs. the Suns would be a good thing for young and inexperienced guys.

monstrum in fronte, monstrum in animo

by interregnum on Feb 14, 2007 1:32 PM PST 0 recs

The crazy thing here

is how we've all completely forgotten how well Pietrus played early this season. Nellie was calling him his most "consistent" player for a couple months, as he was a reliable outside threat, wasn't making mistakes, and was playing good defense. He's definitely been underwhelming since Harringturtle and Jax came over, and understandingly so--his role has been redefined, and he's clearly not as comfortable with it or isn't sure what it is.

But that's the problem: without a defined role, we get to see how low his basketball IQ is. He's good at doing what he's supposed to do, and bad at doing anything else. Sometimes we call that "low bball IQ"--other times we call that "being a good role player".

But I agree, he's tradeable. As long as we get a good low-post "role player" for him. Hopefully we won't think his replacement is dumb and spacey.

by ffgolden on Feb 14, 2007 1:57 PM PST 0 recs

The crazy thing here

But I agree, he's tradeable. As long as we get a good low-post "role player" for him. Hopefully we won't think his replacement is dumb and spacey.

by ffgolden on Feb 14, 2007 1:57 PM PST 0 recs

when we say Pietrus

is tradebale is this because the new team would have the right to match any offer next year?

In terms of coming off the books I can't see any team wanting him as his salary is low

by Zig on Feb 14, 2007 2:32 PM PST 0 recs

I say we get

or TRY to get P.J. Brown. That guy is Ballin'!

by Zorgon on Feb 14, 2007 3:20 PM PST 0 recs

Drew Gooden...

I want to see the Warriors pick up Drew Gooden. I dont like the MP for Darko deal, nor do I like any of the Knick players. Lee is good, but I dont like him as a defender. Frye is good, but I dont like him with the ball. I think Gooden fits way better in this system, and he can D up. MP + a filler or a 2nd rounder should get the job done, and would give the Oakland native a BIG boost. Do it.

by gswrico on Feb 14, 2007 4:29 PM PST 0 recs

I like Gooden too, but...

Why do you think Pietrus + a second rounder would "get the job done"? Because Cleveland, with some bums named Hughes and James, is in desperate need of an underachieving wing player? Because Gooden, a solid 4 averaging a near double-double and making reasonable $$, is such a burden to them? Or just because you want it to get done?

Also, the salaries don't match. Throw in Biedrins++ and they might consider it.

"God knows, you gotta give to get back..." -- El Perro del Mar

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 14, 2007 5:36 PM PST up 0 recs

what it would take to get Gooden

But if you throw in Andris it's no longer a good deal y'know? Maybe that was your point...

It's true though, Gooden's a starting NBA power forward; not really all-star level, but solid, fairly consistent.

If the dubs want to keep Al as the starting 4, which has some nice offensive advantages, then we don't really want another starting 4. We certainly don't want to mess up our core or our future.

Cheers!

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by Mano de Nada on Feb 14, 2007 7:07 PM PST up 0 recs

Nahh, I love Biedrins

I was just being a d-ck to make my point. There are actually only a handful of guys in the NBA I'd trade Biedrins for, and Drew Gooden definitely isn't one of them.

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 14, 2007 7:17 PM PST up 0 recs

the real problem

Let's face it. The 2K7 warriors, just like the warriors of the last Nelson era, are beat because of lack of size and defense.
I'm sick of our drafts. We drafted guys that couldn't help us this year. P.o.b. is a loooonnngggg way off.
If any team is dumb enough to take M.P. (who being 6-6 cant dribble and makes poor decisions in the open court). And we can get a decent rebounder and defender with size-we've got to pull the trigger.
If we go for the draft we will stay in playoff hell for the next few years!
Sorry guys im just sick of a losing team.

by 11allstar on Feb 14, 2007 7:39 PM PST 0 recs

Stop saying tank the season!

Ok whats the use of the warriors tanking the season! we have had horrible seasons for the past 12 seasons and when have we got a 1st or 2nd round pick. which will be durant and oden. if they tank the season they just gonna have a bad record and 7th or above draft pick at best like all the previous warrior years. and pietris needs to go all he does is shoot a corner 3 and a dunk and thats it. i say him for???? someone who gets here does not play well and pietris thrives in his new place. ahh can anybody tell me how we have this curse on us?

by 24k state fan since 87 on Feb 14, 2007 8:01 PM PST 0 recs

Will Mullie Make This Move??

First off let me say Buki is playing as well as MP if not better. I just heard Keith Smart on the radio say that Nellie likes him because he is even keel & focused playing well or not. Is that a shot at MP or Barnes? Maybe but consider that Buki makes about 200K and MP makes 2Mill. It's not hard to figure out who is out if there is a trade. Plus when JRich gets back means its gonna be less mins for someone. How about if nothing else for Jamaal Magloire. He's a legit 6'11 and has a better post game than Foyle and Powell. MP, POB and Zarko for Magloire. Everyone is off the books next year(except for POB)anyways so it wont hinder the salary cap or draft plans. So hopefully at least for one time this season a starting line up of BD, Jrich , Harrington, Bedrins and Magloire. So for a real playoff push pack bring in Magloire.

by bigpayback on Feb 14, 2007 10:53 PM PST 0 recs