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It is the system! And the coach!

Here's a shocker from me: The problem is Nellie and his up-tempo system. I know I'm a broken record, but dammit! when are people finally going to admit we're in the middle of a civil war-- I mean that our emperor has no clothes!

It's well known that Nellie teams are averse to defense and rebounding, but this team even looks lost on offense. Nobody really looks like they have a clear understanding where they fit in -- which will happen when you take a young, marginal team and build it around a green light philosophy. We might as well be playing blacktop ball out there, because nobody's running plays or anything. No half-court offense -- again a major weakness in Nellie's up-tempo. You wonder why we can't control games late? It's because we can't play half court ball.

And speaking of major weaknesses, here's another: how about settling down with some solid rotations. Nellie is getting all this credit for mixing up the lineup every night, but the result has been total and complete lack of continuity. Nobody knows what their role is. And, because Nellie stresses that he'll play whoever's hot and sit whoever's not (unless your name is Patrick O'Bryant, in which case you ain't never going to see the light of day no matter what), players like Matt Barnes are running scared, knowing that a couple of turnovers or a bad shooting night will mean getting yanked out of the rotation for who knows how long.

I'm all for experimenting with different lineups and looking for a combo that works; Mike Montgomery didn't do enough of it. But we're at the All-Star break with the playoffs slipping away, the time for incessant tinkering is over.

But that is what Nellie does. His "sustained chaos" theory of coaching is not right for a team that doesn't have a good grasp of the fundamentals, either individually or as a team. Instead of building a strong foundation based on solid offensive sets, dedicated rebounding, and committed defense, Nelson has decided to build this team around free-form offense, fast breaks, and outshooting the other team. Pretty tough to do when you're shooting about 15 percent from the three-point line and turning the ball over 15 times a night.

I don't want to hear about injuries or bad luck or a weak roster. There are lesser teams out there doing more with less than the Warriors. And I don't want to hear any more Nellie-aggrandizing until he actually does something. Everybody is quick to give credit to Nellie for bringing a breath of fresh air to this team, but for all the hoopla, he has done little better than the vilified Monty (and Monty didn't even have Baron for half of last year. How would Nellie do without Baron for half the year?)

Yes, the team could be better, but right now, it is the system that sucks. I can think of several coaches in the league right now that could be getting a lot more out of this roster than Nellie is -- Jerry Sloan, Phil Jackson, Gregg Popovich to name just a few. If Jerry Sloan was coaching this team, we'd at least be playing .500 ball.

So let's stop giving Nellie a free pass. He can't just keep shaking his head and blaming it on the players. Maybe his 30-year old system for mediocrity is the thing that needs to get better. Maybe he should think about adapting his coaching style instead of blindly applying his signature style to every situation and every team, whether it's the right system for the situation or not.

I could go on all night. I guess, I've just reached the breaking point. Thanks for listening.

Bring back Mario Elie.

This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!

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Lol
in Transpersonal psychology, there is a theory out there that there are an infinte number of alternate dimensions doing different things at the same time...maybe our dimension doesn't have playoffs in the sight, but some other lucky dimension does

Or maybe we just stink out loud at the moment

Billy Beane for Warriors GM! Time 4 sum Moneyball -Crypt0naut

by Crypt0naut on Feb 4, 2007 10:05 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Nelson
I think they are facing a couple of issues right now with Nelson being a major part of those issues.  Obviously the talent level isn't what a team with 13 straight non-playoff appearances should be...but Nelson doesn't help things out one bit.  
  1.  Small ball is not smart over the long haul.  It's a cute idea for a game or two (or a playoff series) but over the long grind of an 82 game season all you are doing is unnecessarily wearing out your "artifical bigs".  
  2.  Nelson's chaos is bad with a young team.  Covered in the post.
  3.  Nelson's "head games" don't work.  It's good that Nelson is harder on his players than Monty was.  It's bad that he basically benched $20 million (Dunleavy, Murphy, Foyle) in the modern NBA with a sub .500 team with no alternative for digging their way out.  (Ask Indiana how much they like Dunleavy, Diogu & Murphy right now!)
  4.  If Don Nelson was so great, why is Avery Johnson the head coach in Dallas?  Hmm....
I could write all day, but honestly this organization needs to fire Nelson and put Keith Smart in control for the next 5 years.  Build a team with a physical presence that can win in the playoffs.  

by clem on Feb 4, 2007 11:52 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

w's should
promote nellie instead. fire mullin. then move smart in as head coach unless someone better becomes available. nellie disciplines his young players and role players, but the players he needs to reel in the most are the 2 ball movement blockers - bd & sjax. i find it especially odd that bd always comments after losses about how the ball movement is non-existant in the 3rd or 4th quarter when he is the main reason that happens.

by the evil monkey on Feb 4, 2007 6:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

man
blame the players. Their the ones that's on the court not producing

by Warrior fan 23 on Feb 4, 2007 1:32 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Blame The Players?
Blame the players??? The talent we have on the team right now should be able to compete. It isn't always the players fault. It's nellie's system! He's failed to make the adjustments even when he sees his small ball up-temp is not effective. The players we have on the current roster have shown they already have the Offensive skills to score. All they need is someone who can TEACH them REAL TEAM defense and not be a one dimensional coach like nellie.

by ON THE RUN on Feb 4, 2007 2:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

good points man
you said just about everything anybody can think of about the team man. i like how avery johnson coaches, play fast break here and there, shoot high %, win. GO BEARS!

by CatchAndShoot on Feb 4, 2007 1:41 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Mos Def agree
And have been agreeing forever!

by Zorgon on Feb 4, 2007 4:05 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Give me a break.
They are professional NBA basketball players, not high school kids. It's not Nelsons's fault they can't shoot. It's not Nelson's fault they make stupid turnovers. It's not Nelson's fault that they play defense with their arms and not with their feet. Stop blaming him for player mistakes; they are the ones on the floor and it's their JOB to produce.

by thehawk on Feb 4, 2007 6:40 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Nellie's Fault
It doesn't matter if they're professionals or not. They will make mistakes. The problem is our TEAM. We already got rid of Dunleavy and Murphy so that can't be an excuse. The fact of the matter is the SYSTEM IS FLAWED and DOES NOT FIT OUR TEAM. We brought Nelson in thinking he can guide us to the promise land. Instead, he dropped us off in Never Never Land. Nelson does not teach nor did his previous team specialize in defense.  It's either we blow teams out or we get blown out as seen in the past few games and throughout our season. I'm all for the  "FIRE NELLIE, HIRE ELIE" campaign.

by ON THE RUN on Feb 4, 2007 10:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I respectfully disagree
Saying that it's a FACT that our problems are all Nellie's fault and putting in ALL CAPS doesn't make it so.

Basically I think this is 32-40 win team, give or take, no matter how you slice it, dice it, bake it, or coach it. Not saying I disagree with all your arguments, but for me the bottom line is that Nellieball has (a) dramatically increased the value of the players on this team who actually have talent -- Baron, Monta, Pietrus, Biedrins, even Dunleavy; (b) made us a lot more fun to watch (at least up until this abortion of a roadtrip).

I know (b) doesn't count for a lot, but when you have mediocre talent, I think it counts for something. Hoops is entertainment, after all. As for serious winning: As Nellie intimated in that most recent interview, the road to Winning is still very much being paved. Recognizing that Monta and Biedrins are the team's future -- and dumping or benching extraneous dead weight like Murphleavy and Foyle -- is at least a step in the right direction.

I say is this as a guy who, after the Webber fiasco 12+ years ago, wanted to strangle Nellie. As bad as things get this year, I won't miss the Monty era for a second. Nellie brough a glimmer of hope where there was none. We could do (and have done) a heckuva lot worse.

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 4, 2007 11:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

nothing wrong w/ the running & gunning part
my gripes are that i just wish they'd run some half court sets in the 2nd half instead of relying on one on one play.

i'm also not in favor of the zone when any of the pacer players are in the game. they're just horrible at it.

i would of liked to have seen the pacer players eased in instead of jamming 2 of them in the starting lineup immediately and thus disrupting chemistry.

that said, i have no problem w/ nellie being our coach. his style has helped us at home. and j-rich, if healthy, is our best half court player on offense - thus making him our best road player on offense. he also helps space the floor more for dribble penetration - kind of sad, but he's probably our most reliable jumpshooter.

and there's only so much nellie can say about the insane amount of 3's we shoot (we should never shoot more than 12 3's in a game on the road). and our incessant need to reach in on defense instead of moving our feet (which is why everyone gets in the lane against us and causes beans to get into foul trouble).

another problem we have is we obviously either have low bball iq's, dont read scouting reports, or need new scouts.

by the evil monkey on Feb 4, 2007 11:49 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Hey man, this is the Warriors
We give our coaches at least 2 years(in a row, considering Nellie was here in the past) before they're out! /sarcastic joking comment, explained for the technical people

At least it seemed that way during our current playoff drought.

And back to "This is the Warriors" for a second again, these are probably the best players and coach we're going to get and have had in a while.

Coach Jerry Sloan wouldn't touch the franchise with a 10 foot pole, a moot point as its not realistic for the coaches you named to want to take over this position. Prospective free agents and immediate impact players don't want to play here.

Elie might have wanted out for a reason. What players and coach do you have lined up for us if Nellie and a roster change would be able to miraculously happen right now?

by back2back51s on Feb 5, 2007 5:00 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

It's both the players and the coach
Interesting site here, shows that we are one of the youngest and most inexperienced teams in the NBA.  This is especially true given that two starters, Biedrins and Monta, had a combined 6 starts between them coming into the season.  I think we have some nice pieces that are no where near filled out yet.  If we're planning on building around a Jrich/Baron/Monta/Biedrins/Harrington Core (which sounds way better than a JRich/Dunny/Baron/Murphy/Foyle core), that team won't be ready to play high level defense or run great team sets this year, and maybe not until sometime mid season next year.  

Our young players are better than expected at this point, but it doesn't make them something they are not, which is experienced, battle tested NBA players.  To put the fact that we can't play good team ball on a coach that's been here a half a season is a bit unfair given our experience level.

Manute Bol stole my lunch money

by manute-o on Feb 5, 2007 1:58 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

ummm
nellie is the best coach weve had in 12 years....since nellie.  there is no question or argument to that statement.  

warrior fan, the team just isnt that good.

by jrizzle on Feb 5, 2007 11:10 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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