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Rumor: Zach Randolph for Monta Ellis, Sarunas Jasikevicius, Adonal Foyle, and #18

There's no question that the 2007 NBA Draft Lottery has made the West even stronger and the Leastern Conference even Leaster, if you will. With superstar prospects Greg Oden and Kevin Durant most likely heading to Portland and Seattle, the Blazers and Sonics will probably be making some moves to ensure that they put Oden and Durant in great positions to succeed.

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Are the Warriors just the break that Zach Randolph needs?

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Dave Del Grande of Inside Bay Area sees the possibility of a Zach Randolph to the Warriors trade as a feasible scenario:

Some will say the Warriors were among the biggest losers Tuesday because their competition for the bottom-end playoff spots in the West got tougher with Portland and Seattle landing the top two draft picks.

While that's true, the Warriors might have caught a break with the Trail Blazers winning the Greg Oden sweepstakes. Suddenly, the low-post force Golden State so strongly covets -- Zach Randolph -- just might become available.

Monta Ellis (better fit than Randolph), Sarunas Jasikevicius (last year of his deal), Adonal Foyle (veteran to work with Oden) and the No. 18 pick (another young player) for Randolph would seem to help both teams and passes salary-cap inspection.

Randolph is fresh off a career season in which he averaged nearly 24ppg and a shade over 10 rebounds per game. Those are the numbers of an All Star big man. I have no problem parting with Monta, Sarunas, Foyle, and the #18 pick for a legit inside presence, but Randolph just doesn't excite me as a key cog in Nellieball- Hyphy edition. The Warriors are a fun and gun team and Randolph hasn't show any evidence that he can play in an uptempo offense. Additionally, the Warriors play their tenacious, ball-hawking, energetic, style of defense by creating turnovers. A 20-10 big man paid like a superstar should be able to average more than a pathetic 0.2 blocks and 0.8 assists a game (check Randolph's career stats). Randolph's steal and block rates are the antithesis of the style of defense the Warriors played in their big playoff run and was such a vital ingredient for their success. He doesn't look like an ideal fit for this team by any stretch.

Keeping in mind all of his limitations and concerns with him fitting into Nellieball, if the Warriors have any chance to flip something like Ellis, Jasikevicius, Foyle, and the #18 pick for Randolph it's a no-brainer. Randolph maybe one-dimensional, but his one dimension is the one the Warriors don't have.

Would you move Monta Ellis, Sarunas Jasikevicius, Adonal Foyle, and #18 Pick for Zach Randolph?

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NO Way
Randolph is just not the right guy.  And giving up the draft pick to boot is nuts.  This may sound funny but Zach is the most hollow double double guy in the league.  Even Murphy contributed more.  I know from having ZR on my fantasy team.  He scores and rebounds and that is it.  Forget every other category.  And he's not as athletic as Nelson would like IMO.

I know it'd be nice to ship Adonal's contract and Sarunas doesn't mean anything to us but a 20 year old Most Improved Player and our 18th pick is too much.  If anything, wait to see what we can get with that pick.  Nelson is the master of the draft so I'd hold off on everything except a Garnett trade.

J.cob -greatest accomplishment: coming up with the Golden State of Mind name.

by jdotcob on May 25, 2007 3:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

YES
I agree completely. Your right, the only advantage from this trade would be us moving Adonal's and Saruna's contract.
And why would you not embrace Ellis, a 21 year old  MOST IMPROVED PLAYER and let him grow and flourish under Nelson??? Why would you not embrace a gift from GOD given to us in the 2nd round, after we were blatantly robbed of Gilbert Arenas??

But i believe that we can trade Sarunas contract for another decent player straight up, without offering another sexy commodity, just for the sake of dumping his contract. I have faith in Sarunas' game. You do not win 3 MVP awards in a highly skilled league, and suck. The man has game, he just could not find his shot with the little time he had to impress a coach who was put in a tough situation to find a formula to win, in order to make the playoffs. However, I believe he belongs on a team like San Antonio or Detroit. He belongs in a slower paced, set offense, which would exploit his shooting and passing skills more. I think we could trade him off for something decent.

Adonal is another story. servicable big man, great guy, huge contract. Although, I am a season ticket holder and i must say that he is in fantastic shape. I havnt seen him so lean since his younger years.  

GOT WISE ON ME

by jswind on May 25, 2007 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Like it!
That seems like a great deal for us. Our 18 pick isnt going to land us anybody good, and sure I love Monta, but if we can get a big man with some attitude then I'd do it. I rather trade J-Rich than Monta though. Sarunas and Adonal are really bench warmers, so we are basically trading bench warmers for a star!!! I do it anyday. Bring Randolph to the Bay, because if we dont we will lack the inside presence that every other team has, and we might be pushed out of the playoffs next year if we dont get a big man! SERIOUS!

by ballin on May 25, 2007 3:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

what?
Our 18th pick isnt going to land us anyone good? What are you stupid? Its a roll of the dice you fool. Thats like saying you wont get nothing in the 4th round in the NFL draft. Kirelenko,Al Harrington,Arenas,Ellis,Q richardson,Magloire,Michael Redd,Prince,Boozer,David West,Boris Diaw,T Outlaw,JR smith,Jameer Neslon, and Kevin Martin are some of the recent players to be drafted 18th or higher...so...what the hell are you talking about?
Why would you be so eager to trade Jason for Randolph and the 18th pick?
The only reason your saying this, is because your probably some fake bandwagon fan that missed last season when J-Rich was HEALTHY and absolutley carried our team. Jason is our rock. He can be in the top 15 in scoring every year, he can defend on the perimeter and in the post, REBOUND, he can post up gaurds very well, shoot the 3, and finish. His only glaring weakness is his ball handeling, his passing has improved this last season. He is a leader, and he brings toughness and fire to our squad. Nelson will fall in love as soon as Richardson can get his body fully healthy and work hard in the off season to continue to improve, like he has EVERY OFFSEASON...

Zach Randolph, besides from being a ball hog and a whiner, is a good player. However, he is not fast, he is not athletic, he does not defend in the post, and he is not willing to share the ball, something crucial in a system that evolves around passing and getting open perimeter shots, and easy buckets.

and Monta is our future. I wont even get into how stupid alot of you people on here are.. i really hate the fact that alot of our fans are dumb as a box of rocks... but what r u gonna do? i guess thats what you get when fans come out of the woodworks as soon as we come back from the play offs...back then they didnt want me, now im hot they all on me

GOT WISE ON ME

by jswind on May 25, 2007 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chill man
Your thoughts and opinions are always welcome here, but there's no need to call folks names. That's just not how we do it here at GSoM. This is a community of good people.

by Atma Brother ONE on May 25, 2007 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry
your right, apologies... i just get annoyed when folks dont know what their talking about.
GOT WISE ON ME

by jswind on May 26, 2007 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

His only glaring weakness is his ball handeling
 But he passed spelling.
 I don't think poor ball handling is a weakness in Jason's game, it's more a weakness of our team roster that requires JR to handle the ball. Jason is very good at what he does best and that's what we should be throwing at the opposition, we should not be making JR try to be something he is not.

by Skeptic con Urquell on May 25, 2007 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey!
im not that eager to trade J-Rich, but he hasnt stepped up as a superstar that we all predicted him to be. Gilbert Arenas Has!!! I hate the Warriors for doing that!! J-Rich is a good player, but not fantastic and he wont ever lead the team, at least with Baron here. Randolph is the guy we are missing! We need someone who can bully other player down low, since all the other teams in the Western Conference have the inside presence.

Monta is good and all, but if we can land a big man it would be great. Getting guards are easy! We have Kelenna or Anthony Roberson if we didnt release him! They are fantastic players, they just didnt get the chance. Monta has a huge risk factor too. He might get injured, or if he gets too good the Warriors might not be able to re sign him.

See with this trade we get to load off Foyle's contract and get a superstar.

P.S. I'm not someone on the bandwagon and I dont even care about this dumb bandwagon stuff cause its dumb. I'm a man who lives in the BAY and is a season ticket holder! Hah! No Lie!

by ballin on May 26, 2007 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

so
j-rich isn't a star but randolph is? alrighty then

by AJC3317 on May 28, 2007 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

NO
Ellis has too much talent just to give away for a fat guy like Zach. Plus, Jax paired up with Zach? No way. If it was JO or KG, then I would give up Monta, but definitely not for Zach Randolph.
The J-RICH show is back!

by dajrichshow on May 25, 2007 3:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

HELLL NO
This guy does not play defense other than getting a rebound.  I don't know why he and Eddy Curry are so fat, yet they both are bad shot blockers.  Nellie dislikes bulky players anyways, even if he does slim down, he still wouldn't be able to run with us. If you're gonna trade Monta, at least try to get Lamarcus Aldridge instead of Randolph.

by MVP on May 25, 2007 3:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

HAHA
I like how it says Foyle will work with Greg Oden.  On what?  Foyle will teach Oden how to shoot a jumper?  Fancy one handed outlet passes?  How to become a model citizen in the community?  Maybe he ambiguously meant that Oden will be teaching Foyle some moves...haha.  

i'm just playing, for real tho, i love foyle.  just thought it was funny...

by dj fuzzylogic on May 25, 2007 4:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Although the prospect of getting Foyle's contract
off the books sounds great, I don't like the fact that ALL Randolph essentially is is a better version of Danny Fortson.  I know that sounds like a fairly bad comparison... but if you think about it what did Fortson do during his time with the Warriors?  Average about 16 ppg and 12 rpg with the W's.  What does Randolph do?  Average 20 and essentially 12 boards.  Both played HORRIBLE defense, both often left their defensive assignment to try to antisipate a board, and both had fairly large contracts.  I wouldn't give Monta and the 18th pick for him... it would either have to be one or the other (preferably the 18th pick though... of course!  
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

by mightymadskillz on May 25, 2007 4:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

this "rumor" is ridiculous
and not even an actual rumor.  If David Del Grande's editors have any sports knowledge and want to protect their rep, theh he'll be out of a job with more articles like this.

by BingBluNT on May 25, 2007 4:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He's a bad fit, but ...
Randolf would be the best player in that deal.

He's a player we could then turn around and move for a piece we wanted.

He's not someone who's going to fit in on the Warriors. But there are a lot of teams who should want him - maybe we can use him in a there-way deal to get a player who's a better fit.

by Ronaldinho on May 25, 2007 5:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No
Randolph is clearly not athletic enough.

by YamoBeThere2009 on May 25, 2007 5:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

that is way too much to offer for randolph
i like zach and his double double numbers in the paint, but not enough to hope mullin will actually make a trade like that!!

plus, the numbers would work better for portland as cost savings if we keep ellis(and his 2008 contract extension).

by stedanko on May 25, 2007 6:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Unless he was on Mully's/Nellies radar as a must
I wouldn't pull the trigger.  Maybe I would if Monte wasn't involved but then maybe the Blazers wouldn't bite anyways.  Quite a few folks believe Monte will be a superstar like Baron but I'm not sure if his body can hold up to the pounding;  I don't think Monte's wiry strong like Spree was but if he becomes a black belt or trains his body to become stronger than yeah no way I would trade him.  Monte has the tools!  

If we could get rid of Foyle's contract, that would be a huge albatross lifted from their cap.  I don't know much about Randolph.  If he's explosive, and can run the floor, and be a ferocious rebounder then maybe I would do this deal but I don't remember him being that player but I could be wrong.  I do remember that he had attitude issues but I can't remember which article and the source so maybe I'm confusing him with another Trailblazer.

Kirk

by kirkkazas on May 25, 2007 6:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Al Harrington for Randolph
This is a bit more reasonable..

Both players have their flaws, Al Harringtons unwillingness to go inside instead of play like a little man, and Zach's innability to run and defend.. I think Randolph would be an upgrade, but Al is clearly the only Warrior Mully would consider giving up for Randolph...because Mully is Mully, and Mully doesnt dick around. This trade would help, while giving up an outside shooting commodity and good post up defender in Harrington, we would be gaining an excellent rebounder with a very good low post game. However I dont think Zach Randolph would even fit into our system at all... I would rather trade Al for somebody else if I were to trade him at all.

WARRIORS WOULD NEVER TRADE ELLIS OR JASON FOR THIS TWINKY

GOT WISE ON ME

by jswind on May 25, 2007 6:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Randolph is a stud on the court...
...BUT, the bad outweighs the good IMO.  One loose cannon personality(Jax)is more than enough for one team.  Get Zach and Jack together and Oakland will be a war zone in no time flat.  

It's unfortunate that a player of Randolph's caliber is marred by his past and his personality, but we've seen time and time again how bad eggs can spoil the bunch.

What we really need is a "Zach-like" player who doesn't have a taste for weed and guns.

by ssmokinjoe on May 25, 2007 8:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

NEVER
we'd be just plain stupid to do such a trade... even if it means getting jasi and foyle's contracts off the books. i don't think the blazers need ellis anyway...they already have two good guards with jarrett jack and brandon roy

by The City Warjorz on May 25, 2007 9:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

NO
Foyle is worth more than Randolph alone. I'd call it highway robbery.

First of all, they get Ellis, rising star.
Then they get Jasikevicus, who may just get into the mix above Jarrett Crap.
Then, they get Foyle, which gives them confidence in not resigining Magloire and makes Zorgon very very sad.
Lastly, they get a #18 pick. Who knows? Draft a guy like Splitter and he could become as good or better than Randolph.

What do we get? A decent player with emotional problems.

I don't like it.

With his past behind him, Adonal looks toward the future, wherever it may be....

by Zorgon on May 25, 2007 9:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

NOTE TO GOSM WRITERS:
I love you guys, but could you please never post rumors by Sam Smith, Peter Vescey, or David Del Grande?

As for the actual trade...if you're gonna deal Ellis, why not just get Pau Gasol? Or if you're gonna deal Ellis, trade into the top 5 and grab Al Horford or Corey Brewer?

Here's all you need to know about the "post presence" that Randolph brings:

Last three years, his FG%: .448, .436, .467
Those aren't the shooting percentages of someone who plays in the paint all the time.

NEVER averaged a block a game.

Shot 55 and 48 three-pointers the last couple years. Post players don't take that many 3's.

Pass.

Let Chicago have him.

by OptionZero on May 25, 2007 10:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You tell 'em
Agree 100% on Randolph.

I do confess to a weakness for reading Smith, Vecsey, and Del Grande, but yes, always with a huge grain of salt.

by Sleepy Freud on May 25, 2007 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sam Smith, Peter Vescey, or David Del Grande
Haha, yeah they never come true, but they usually at least post things that are fun to talk about or hypothesize. We always try to make note of the feasibility of their proposals or "inside info" in the posts- hopefully that's good enough.

by Atma Brother ONE on May 25, 2007 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No
Just way too much, and Randolph? Not the biggest fan.

By the way, I'm thinking about it, because a lot of people just want to give him away, I really don't want to see Monta on another team, getting to the rim killing us with his circus and-1's for the next 10 years. I mean I bet Baron now can't guard him, who will?

by orangino on May 25, 2007 11:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

NO WAY
Despite his solid numbers this year, Randolph is very inconsistent. His attitude sucks and he doesn't have a will to win.  I see him turning out more as a lodestone than a piece in the puzzle.  Forget about it.

by walkerp on May 26, 2007 5:50 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

are you kidding me
i wouldn't even trade monta straight up for randolph

by travisl212 on May 26, 2007 7:35 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It's not really a rumor
It's just sorta Dave Del Grande talking. Much like if I came and said "hey you know the Warriors should trade Adonal Foyle for Kevin Garnett straight up."  That'd be as much a rumor as this.

by jonathan on May 26, 2007 12:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

ill do it if.....
portland includes sergio rodriguez and travis outlaw in the deal.  Dont know if the numbers match but here goes...

Warriors get:

Zach Randolph
Travis Outlaw
Sergio Rodriguez

Blazers get:

Monta Ellis
Adonal Foyle
Sarunas Jasickevicius
Michael Pietrus (sign and trade)
#18 pick
and another first rounder from the year 09' or beyond.

Now how about that...

BTW..welcome back to me.  It took me 3 weeks to recover from this season.  I still havent watched a single NBA game since we lost to Utah and this is my first post since game 5.  Looking forward to opening night in November!

warriors dont fish they hunt!

by VonteegoCummings on May 26, 2007 2:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

dats
a good deal. outlaw is just as good as ellis and the other things in the deal are crap. too bad this kinda deal you proposed would have like 5% of being true!

by ballin on May 28, 2007 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

use the trade checker
And travis outlaw is a free agent

u can post any idea you want, but the least you could do is run it through ESPN or Real GM's trade checkers

by OptionZero on May 26, 2007 3:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

ah dude
no i dont have time for that...and my trade is the only scenario I would part with Monta and two first rounders.  If it doesnt work so be it.
warriors dont fish they hunt!

by VonteegoCummings on May 26, 2007 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you'd trade ellis for RANDOLPH?
I'd deal ellis for cheap elite talent like Brewer, HOrford, maybr Brandon Wright.

but not for expensive problems like Randolph

by OptionZero on May 27, 2007 4:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

We Not Trading Ellis
It ain't no way I'll give up Ellis or J-Rich for Randolph but we need a big that can rebound and score in the paint

I seen Randolph play a lil bit and he ain't the perfect fit but he'll do and that 18th pick is worthless the only big men I see left is Splitter, Smith, and McRoberts and we already have Splitter in Biedrins and Smith in O' Bryant and McRoberts is just plain soft

If Portland will take Pietrus instead of Ellis and add Outlaw then I'll take it

by Town Bidnezz on May 28, 2007 5:52 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

WARRIORS NEED
I know that alot of people on here have been saying that the Warriors NEED a true point gaurd, that Monta Ellis isnt the future of the team because hes not a TRUE POINT, but i think that there is one major point that ya'll are missing....

The Warriors dont need a true point gaurd. Does anybody hear me? Jeff Van Gundy does not run our team, Nellie does. We are not a team that walks the ball up the court and sets up the O. We run, run, run, all day...then we run some more. Most of our baskets come from pushing the ball up the court, disabling the defense to get set up and comfortable in their element. This usually leads to someone whether it be Davis, Ellis, Richardson, or Jack attacking the rim, getting fouled, and if the drive isnt there, we move the ball around the perimeter until we get an open shot. Its plain to see... the fast break, is seemingly ALWAYS there, because we pesk the opposition into stupid shots and turnovers. Even when they score, we run back on offense before they get there, which is why we have players that can get up the court and who are talented in the fast break game. Jack can run, dish, and finish. J Rich is very fast and he can finish, same goes for Davis, Ellis, Pietrus, and Barnes. These are all fast players who exploit their talents in coach's style. Nellie recognizes. Sometimes, even when Baron is in the game, Jack brings the ball up the court instead. Our offense relies on attacking our opponents from different angles with scorers, and kicking it back out to teamates for shots, while we have mobile big man like Al Harrington and AB causing problems and mismatches. Does anyone understand why we dont need another true point gaurd in order to be successful? It does not take a point gaurd to run this style of offense at all. Instead, we could a physical, take no nonsense guy who can get up the court, can pull 8 or more rebounds, block ALOT of shots from the weak side, and finish after catching the ball on the blocks. NOT necessarily a big strong guy, but someone very physical who loves to mix it up with a nose for the ball. Like a Dennis Rodman or Ron Artest... I nominate GERALD WALLACE...and who knows, maybe its huntin' season for Artest after the dismal season he had. He'd love Nellie. I dont see those two not getting along because real always recognizes real. AL JEFFERSON would be very nice too, and is one of the few players i would trade Monta for. He is only 22 yrs old and has a VERY polished low post game.

Monta is not a dime a dozen gaurd by the way. Alot of you guys are saying that, but hes not. The kid is blessed with so much GOD GIVEN TALENT and hes so young, so much room to expand. I dont see how you think we can just go get ourselves another Monta Ellis with the snap of a finger.
Anyways, with that said, I hope you good Warrior fans see my reasoning and agree with me. My question to you ALL is this...
WHO WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE IN A NEW WARRIORS UNIFORM NEXT SEASON?

by jswinder on May 28, 2007 3:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Zach Randolph? Oh hells no!
What's up fellow Warrior fans.  First of all, good insights in this discussion.  My take on this whole Zach Randolph thing is it's a deal that we should NOT make.  I won't be redundant and point out the flaws in his game because everyone has already done that, but just because we get ousted by the Jazz in the playoffs, doesn't mean we should panic and compromise the identity of our team.  

Remember the days of RUN-TMC when we could never get past the second round of the playoffs during Coach Nelson's first tenure with the dubs?  The talk at that point in time was we need a big man (suprise, surprise huh?).  Anyway, what eventually ensued was the dumbest mistake Nellie ever made by his own admission by trading Mitch Richmond to the Kings for Billy Owens and the days of our run-and-gun style of play were over until this year's incarnation of the run-and-gun Warriors.  Speaking of which, I think the nickname we should start calling our Warriors is "RUN-LIKE-HELL" (the nickname Bob Fitzgerald gave them)...haha.

As far as tradeable players go, I think that Monta Ellis and Andris Biedrins are untouchable.  We're talking about the future of our team right there.  If those two guys continue to work hard in the offseason, they could set us up to be a perrenial contender for the next decade.  This year, I would like to see Andris hit the weight room to get stronger, faster, more athletic and more explosive.  Monta needs to keep workin on that midrange shot and his ball handling.  

As for Jason Richardson, I'm on the fence with him.  No doubt about it, there are glaring flaws in his game.  Why is a guy who is athletic as Dwayne Wade or Kobe Bryant unable to finish at the rim?  Part of it is his lack of ballhandling, his lack of mindset, and his lack of body control to absorb the contact in the lane; but at the same time, we all know what he brings to the team such as a solid post game, decent shooting, good defense, great rebounding at the guard spot, and all the intangibles.  Having all the said, I know he's working his ass off in the offseason to come back healthier, stronger, and better than ever; so I would hold off on trading him for now.

Anyway, we should continue to develop our style of play and look to add some pieces here and there.  A low post player who can defend, rebound the ball on both ends of the court, and maybe block some shots is preferable.  But at the same time, we shouldn't go after a guy who is 7 feet and 300 pounds.  We need a player who is conditioned enough to run with our guys.  Any offensive game is a plus.  We don't necessarily need a big man who needs to have the ball in his hands at all times.  Remember the old run and gun Celtics of the 1960s.  Their big man was Bill Russell and he was not an offensive machine, but was still an important part of the offense because he started the break with his shot blocking and rebounding.  Just some food for thought.  GO WARRIORS!    

 

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