Warriors Shopping Ellis!

by faetati on Jun 25, 2007 9:47 PM PDT Comment 55 comments

I really think it makes a lot more sense for the Warriors to trade Monta Ellis to get a higher pick instead of fan favourite Jason Richardson. I personally like JRich a lot and would hate to see him leave. I think that a lineup like this would be great for us:
PG- Baron Davis/ Jose Calderon
SG- Jason Richardson/ Kelenna Azubuike
SF- Stephen Jackson/ Matt Barnes
PF- Yi Jianlian/ Al Harrington
C- Andris Biedrins/ Patrick OBryant
This latest rumor on rotoworld.com says that the Warriors are shopping Ellis to get a pick between the 3-6 position, and that would guarantee us to get Yi. What do you guys think of that?
link: http://www.rotoworld.com/content/HeadLines.aspx?sport=NBA&hl=83006

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Would you trade Monta to get Yi?

Yes!! Sure!! Lets do this right away!!

30 votes

No!! Monta is our future!!

31 votes

I don´t know!!! Someone Help!!

15 votes

76 votes | Poll has closed

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What do you guys think of that?

If we can get high enough to get Horford or Brewer I'm all for it but not for Yi, I'd trade monta for a power forward instead of a draft pick if Yi was the pick.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 25, 2007 9:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Why are you so sure

Horford and Brewer will be better pros than Yi? Lots of scouts think Yi is the third-best prospect in the draft. Are they just idiots? And if you're dead set on a PF, why would you want 185 lb. Corey Brewer?

On the trade: if we're talking Monta with Atlanta, I'd seriously inquire about Josh Smith. He's only 21 and an absolute a perfect Nellieball forward. I'd gladly trade them Monta and #18 for JSmooth.

by Sleepy Freud on Jun 25, 2007 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Josh is DA MAN!

What a showtime team we´d have with Baron, JRich and Josh Smith... That would be an alley oop show!
I´d LOOOOOVE to get Smith but I personally dont think the Hawks would trade him for Monta and #18...DAMN... that would be AWSOME!!

F**K REFS!!!

by faetati on Jun 25, 2007 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why are you so sure

"Horford and Brewer will be better pros than Yi? Lots of scouts think Yi is the third-best prospect in the draft.'

Hi Sleepy, Cause Horford is a tough guy who likes to play inside and Brewer has mad skills while Yi is a little man's game stuck in big mans out of control body. It doesn't take much film to see that! Tape his shoulders and see what the measurement is? bet there's not a strong foundation to bulk up? Look at his awkward dunks with floppy legs and how much trouble he has getting down off the rim? No JRich there, No sir! and finally any player who won't have open workouts for all interested teams and needing the asterisk added
* " will be a good fit for the Asian community" should be a warning sign. We should judge players solely based on what they bring to the team not what race they are, and we just don't need another tall skinny outside player who can't rebound!!! Damn, come on folks, it's not that hard!!!

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 25, 2007 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Draft net

Has a new piece on Yi, based on analysis of hours of film that was recently released by his Chinese team. The verdict? Well, pretty mixed. Check it out...

http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=2143

by Sleepy Freud on Jun 26, 2007 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Somehow I feel like htis kid could

be a bust

Not based on anything other than the reports on his lack of physicality

by Zig on Jun 26, 2007 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

what a stupid post

like the hawks would ever trade josh smith for that! OMG!

by thewarriorsrule on Jun 27, 2007 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Stupid?

Dude, I didn't even propose a package. All I suggested is that we "inquire about Josh Smith." There had been some mention earlier this season that JSmooth's fiery temper had ruffled some feathers in the Hawks organization; he's coming up for a huge raise after this season; and he's pretty much the perfect Nellieball forward. Hey, no harm in inquiring, right? Personally, I'd offer Monta, Harrington, and #18 to start. If they laugh at us, so be it.

But by all means, dude, feel free to go around pissing on all of my posts just 'cos I called you out on your silly diary. Whatever floats your boat.

by Sleepy Freud on Jun 27, 2007 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Who knows

I agree with you, but we all know that Yi would be a fan favourite here in the Bay Area and that he is a very good player for Nellieball...
so... I dont know...someone help! =)

F**K REFS!!!

by faetati on Jun 25, 2007 10:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

The interesting thing is...

that if this rumor is true, then all this JRich trade rumors are ALL WRONG! This means that the Dubs are in fact trying to move up in the draft, but not by trading Richardson...Funny!

F**K REFS!!!

by faetati on Jun 25, 2007 10:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Or both

They're probably trying to move up in the draft any way possible.

by awesomer on Jun 25, 2007 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Id go for Horford

but odds are he will be gone by #4, as promising as Ellis is I don't think the Hawks or Grizzlies will be interested in giving away a top pick unless we throw something else into the deal.

by FoyledAgain on Jun 25, 2007 10:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

What about...

Trading the #18 pick + Monta Ellis + Sarunas to the Grizzlies for the #4 pick + Stromile Swift?
That would be great! And then we can decide if we draft Yi or Hartford or Brewer or Green...

F**K REFS!!!

by faetati on Jun 25, 2007 10:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

personally

i am in favor of trading monta instead of j-rich. monta has alot of quickness but outside of that and the little mid-range jumper, i'm not sure he is more than a 1 trick pony. he would have to really bring some new skills to the table over the summer to over come losing j-rich. this is probably the most interesting off season for the dub nation in years!!!! what ever happens, all i know is i can't wait for the season to start!!!

by ruderu22 on Jun 25, 2007 10:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Interesting

I wouldn't be surprised. Also, I am very torn. I love Monta's game, and he's been nothing but a little spark plug for us. He has a promising future in front of him, and if we do part ways, I'll watch him and wish him the best. On the other hand, a chance to keep the veteran JR, and get a quality pick in this deep draft sounds promising.

Nellie's Schmoes

by tadams1080 on Jun 25, 2007 10:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

at least according to the papers,

most gm's seem to see monta's talent as being close to topped out & only suitable for a running team. the playoffs, though perhaps an aberration, didn't do anything to quell the doubters about monta's ability to function in the half court on both offense & defense. i assume they're also fearful of the nellie factor - where players excel only in his run & gun system. most notably, marquis daniels (matt barnes, maybe?).

i'd say, monta might be able to move the team into the low teens.

by the evil monkey on Jun 25, 2007 10:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Maybe...

But you know... If the Hawks or the Grizzlies get the bait... Lets do this! Maybe the Bucks at #6... That would be great!

F**K REFS!!!

by faetati on Jun 25, 2007 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

oh hell yeah

that'd be great to potentially pick up a good big man for monta - despite what they'd lose.

still, the main reason why i value monta is b/c in the west, you have the 3 speed demons of tony parker, barbosa, and devin harris. monta may not match up well against most of the rest of the nba, but against these 3 (who happen to be on the teams of the 3 major title contenders) he could be invaluable.

by the evil monkey on Jun 25, 2007 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

You know what;...

To me... Monta is the second quickest player in the league, only behind Barbosa. I had never thought if this, but you are right. Maybe we could send him and the #18 to the Rockets for a combo of TMac + Yao... How about that?!?! Just kidding!

F**K REFS!!!

by faetati on Jun 25, 2007 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's one of the reasons

Kawakami thinks Monta is more valuable to this team than JRich. He moves his feet much better on defense, and can hang with Nashes, TPs, and Devins of the world. He can also create off the dribble and play backup PG, neither of which JR can do. On the other hand, JRich, good as he is, has no single skill that can't be replaced by Monta, Jax, Barnes, Buki, and Harrington.

Factor in the salaries and I think I'd rather keep Monta, if we had to pick one. It's a tough call, though.

by Sleepy Freud on Jun 25, 2007 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

i'm surprised kawakami noticed this...

he's usually too busy plotting on how the warrior's will get garnett or kissing mully & nellie's rears.

that said, what does worry me about monta are his handles and his pietrus-like single-mindedness.

handles are very difficult to improve - rarely do you see a guy become a much better ball handler like you see guys like barnes, walton, the janitor, jrich, diaw, amare, the mailman, cwebb, etcetera, improve their jump shot.

sometimes you can be too quick or too athletic for your own good. growing up, monta probably never had to change direction and could out jump most guys he played against. whereas a guy like nash had to rely on changing directions and a guy like parker had to develop a floater or learn how to induce fouls using his body.

anyway - if only mully didn't blow his wad on jrich & foyle they wouldn't be in this predicament. i wish i worked for mully, he'd probably give me a $100,000 a year just to deliver the inter-office mail.

by the evil monkey on Jun 25, 2007 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

When those guys were 21

they couldn't do what Monta does. TP didn't know how to draw a foul or have the great floater he does today. It took years of playing in the league for Parker to do these things, yet we are only going to give Monta 1 year of full-time playing to learn the nuances? That is ridiculous.

Monta's handles are still much better than J-Rich's. His man defense is much better. He loses his focus at times, but that is what happens to young players in this league not named Lebron. We need to give him a few more years before we write him off as maxed out in his game. Hell, everyone here loves J-Rich but his game has definitely peaked, he does not one thing special and doesn't make his teammates better. Yet if anyone mentions trading him, its like the end of the world. The best thing for our team to do for the future is to trade J-Rich and his large contract and keep Monta. His driving ability is juast worth that much more, and when he learns how to draw the foul from the ref he will be near unstoppable.

by yehyeh82 on Jun 26, 2007 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with this

I also don't see any more upside in J-Rich

by Zig on Jun 26, 2007 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

But don't forget

All three of those speed demons outplayed Monta badly whenever the Warriors faced their teams. When his quickness is nullified Monta struggles like no other. I'm not saying Monta can't improve here, but it's not going to be easy.

by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 25, 2007 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

DUB LUV!

I maybe be wrong, but I dont see Monta Ellis as a superstar in the NBA. I know that this could turn out to be just like Gilbert Arenas (now "Agent Zero"), but I think that if there are teams interested in him and willing to give their high picks for him, lets do this. Also, this would solve our cap problem for next season and that would be a huge PLUS if we want to resign Baron and Andris.

F**K REFS!!!

by faetati on Jun 25, 2007 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

i dont recall that as vividly as you

but what monta does do is keep those guys in front of him on defense more often than any other warrior player. as much as i respect jrich, he can't even keep gordon giricek in front of him.

he's one of the few players who repeatedly picks up charges on tony parker.

devin harris toasted BD once monta left the games in the playoffs due to his offensive ineffectiveness.

i'm pretty sure monta actually plays very well against the suns. that 1st game last season he dominated them. plus he tends to limit barbosa to 3 pt shooting.

by the evil monkey on Jun 25, 2007 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

really?

in the regular season? I am to lazy to look up game logs but I was at the game when Monta dunked on Barbosa's head and he dropped like 30

by Zig on Jun 26, 2007 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's

the same game that he crossed over Nash and made him fall down...but that's right, Monta can't change directions when dribbling...

by yehyeh82 on Jun 26, 2007 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Keep J-Rich

J-Rich is the heart and soul of the team. A player like Monta will come along again.

I agree that we should trade Monta instead of J-Rich. But it still doesn't solve the salary cap issues, unless we throw in Foyle.

The Warriors will get Yi. He fits the system. He has upside. It's a great fit, socially. He would be beloved by the large Asian community at Oracle. So the warriors will get Yi, for basketball reasons and for marketing reasons.

by warriordean on Jun 25, 2007 10:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

This is wrong.

All signs point to Monta's quickness as quite rare, and J-rich's seem much more replaceable.

I also enjoy the The Warriors will get Yi. If we all have that mindset, it has to happen. AMIRITE!?

by awesomer on Jun 25, 2007 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

why does a trade need to be made?

there are players that could help us at the 18 spot. i dont think the warriors should trade any of their top guys

by llamalimbo1 on Jun 25, 2007 10:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Well...

I think that we should keep the core together, but I think that if we have the chance to move up ion the draft and get a guy how could make an instant impact on this team and contribute right away just by losing 1 piece of the team (like Monta or JRich, although I like JRich better) is very very interesting!

F**K REFS!!!

by faetati on Jun 25, 2007 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

hmm

interesting. trading Monta will not only solve our mooving up in the draft problem, but it also let's Mully not have to worry about trading people to get cap room for Monta. and that trade for Josh Smith is amazingly great, and I love Monta, but I'd be willing to part with him moreso than J-Rich

Ronald Reagan was a jerk.

by Nooob on Jun 25, 2007 11:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Also...

I really think that if we get rid of Monta, then we should resign Baron Davis this summer and get him for 4 more years. I dont agree giving him 90 millions but, I really think he is worth it (not 90 millions...). I´d love to see him here forever (even with all the injuries). Have you seen what this guy did in the Playoffs even with a sore knee, sore body, sore everything. This guy is special and I really think we need to keep him around until he retires. My opinion.

F**K REFS!!!

by faetati on Jun 25, 2007 11:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

wow

now here are all the j rich beleivers. nice seeing them after all those people making him sound horrible.

by 24k state fan since 87 on Jun 25, 2007 11:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

does anyone know

who chad ford has the warriors picking in his latest mock draft. im not an "insider"

by llamalimbo1 on Jun 25, 2007 11:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Jose Calderon

Are you assuming that we will trade Pietrus for Calderon or has this deal already been completed? Having Calderon coming in for The Baron would be awesome. We are awful with Ellis at the point. Don't get me wrong he is a really good player, but at SG not PG.

A true Warriors fan holdin' it down in Long Beach.

by Nick D on Jun 25, 2007 11:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Just assuming...

There was a rumor today that maybe the Warriors would make a sign and trade deal with the Raptors that would bring Jose Calderon to the Warriors for Mickael Pietrus, that is way I used him as BDavis backup.

F**K REFS!!!

by faetati on Jun 25, 2007 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

thats what i figured

Just wanted to make sure. The Dubs need Calderon badly.

A true Warriors fan holdin' it down in Long Beach.

by Nick D on Jun 26, 2007 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hell Yeah!

He would solve one of our offseason issues (backup PG). He would be great for the Warriors. He was great in the playoffs (He would be much better than what Derek Fisher was)

F**K REFS!!!

by faetati on Jun 26, 2007 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

chad ford says

the dubs will take gabe pruitt pg from usc at 18, then take reyshawn terry sf from unc and jermareo davidson pf from alabama

by ruderu22 on Jun 26, 2007 7:09 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I would get rid of JR before monta 10 times out of

ten. You cant teach quickness its as simple as that. Tony Parker doesnt have nearly the natural skill set taht monta does but his quickness kills people. Remember when the spurs first won a championship all the spurs fans wanted to trade Parker because he couldnt shoot he had reached his potential and all that, now look at him, the nba finals mvp and an absolute stud.

TRADING MONTA IS STUPID.

I dont want to trade JR either but trading monta when he is playing for enarly nothing will not clear up cap space and wont get us a pick from 3-6.

by dallaswarrior on Jun 26, 2007 8:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I would get rid of JR before monta

"You cant teach quickness its as simple as that'

Ok, then there's a squirrel out in my yard that can run circles around monta and will play for nuts. but can't rebound or handle any better than monta, so would he be a better deal since he's faster, cheaper, and don't need to be taught speed?

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 26, 2007 8:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Dont be an idiot

I gave a legit argument, you picked out one thing I said and started talking about squirrel's give me a break

by dallaswarrior on Jun 26, 2007 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Skeptic

Prefers elephants to squirrels.

And he can't stand pandas.

by Sleepy Freud on Jun 26, 2007 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Are you saying

Monta Ellis is a squirrel???

by Sleepy Freud on Jun 26, 2007 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think he is saying

he plays basketball with the squirrels in his backyard

by dallaswarrior on Jun 26, 2007 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think he is saying

"he plays basketball with the squirrels in his backyard"

Yeah and Ive noticed that speed needs a focus to do much good.,just running around like a squrrel doesn't win games, I can posterize the little buggers every time, kinda like some big guy ( can't remember who? maybe duncan?? did to monta last year.. about three times in a row??).

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 26, 2007 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

First of all, I dont know what your point is

2nd, You dont like monta because he is 21 and got blocked by the greatest power forward of all time 3 times and yet didnt back down. Ya I hate that.

So I guess you hate every other player in the nba as well seeing how nearly all of them have gotten blocked by tim duncan.

by dallaswarrior on Jun 26, 2007 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I dont know what your point is?

The point is you said you'd get rid of Jason to keep monta based on monta's but I don't think sppedis all the matters. Monta is now where near the rebounder or shooter that Jason is and we need rebounds more than speed right now.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 26, 2007 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

We need rebounds

but not out of the guard position that much. we need a rebounder down low. While J-Rich is better than Monta at rebounding, Monta is no slouch himself, especially when he's committed to it. He's young and learning to be consistent, but his basketball skills are so much better and refined than J-Rich's already that it is scary. He's already the second best free-throw shooter on the team, the second or third best driver on the team. His mid-range jumper might be the best on the team. He can't shoot threes, yet. That's something that took J-Rich years to master. I don't understand why people won't give Monta the same courtesy that they gave the saviour, J-Rich.

by yehyeh82 on Jun 26, 2007 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Monta's rebounding.

I'm not sure that rebounds down low help a team any more than rebounds anywhere else. A defensive rebound means a you've got a defensive stop, regardless of who on your team gets it, while an offensive rebound means your missed shot didn't cost you the possession, regardless of who gets it. I can see that an offensive rebound down low may lead to an easier 2nd chance point, but that's measured by the next shot, not the rebound itself.

As to the point that "Monta is no slouch," this is simply not true. Monta is per minute below average for any position on the court. This is an empirical fact. He's below average as a point guard, the position that gets the fewest rebounds, and far below for an off-guard. I don't know if commitment will help that much. There's pretty good evidence that players don't substantially improve their per-minute rebounding much over their career. Certainly I wouldn't expect a combo guard below average at both slots to ever be anything more than average. Betting on more is foolish optimism.

Since the Warriors need to improve rebounding, playing him more very, very likely means doing even worse unless they can improve at other positions. It's unlikely that they'd get more out of the center position since Biedrins is among the top rebounders in the game when he's in. Baron is above average for point guard as well. They could get much, much more production out of whatever position Harrington's playing, but if you've locked in Monta at the 2, you're going to have to improve dramatically at the 3 and 4. Do we have the guys to get the guys who will do this?

by jae on Jun 27, 2007 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

But monta is too young to say

that he will not be a good shooter which I think he will be and he plays really good Defense stepping in pasing lanes to get steals and taking charges both die to his quickness. Also he gets to the rim a lot more then Jason does which will net him a lot more free throws. He also has a really good field goal percentage and a free thorw percentage that will continue to improve.

JR is a jumpshooter who can rebound and that is it. He cant shoot free throws well at all and he has topped out. He is not a good defender spare a helpside block every now and then. Dont get me wrong I love Jr but I like monta's game much better and his upside is better because of his quickness and ability to get to the rim

by dallaswarrior on Jun 27, 2007 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Monta Ellis is a squirrel???

Haha! great video Sleepy!

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 26, 2007 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

i'd rather

trade JR than Monta. If we can get that 8th pick for JR then we should do it. Although i'd think long and hard if we could get say....Josh Childress and the 3rd, it would fill 2 holes for our team. JR should go first. never gonna be a superstar, inflated contract. Monta is making nothing.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league. Purgatory is thy home.

by kenntoe on Jun 26, 2007 8:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs