Rumor: Monta Ellis for the Hawks #3
Finally, Jason Richardson gets a break from being in a rumor. The attention has now shifted to one of the young guns, Monta Ellis. The Most Improved Player of the Year has become the subject of a possible trade that would allow the Warriors to move into the top 8 for a shot at one of the top players in the draft. Yahoo Sports has the rumor mill churning, and for this installment, Employee #8 gets his turn in the spotlight.
The Warriors are believed to be intrigued with drafting Yi and are still running scenarios past lottery teams with the hopes of moving up from No. 19.
This news comes on the heels of the big rumor from faetati's diary, Warriors Shopping Ellis! in which Rotoworld drops a major rumor.
Let's just pretend that the Warriors were to trade up and get the #3 pick for Monta. I'm not sure if Yi is the best player at that spot. There's Al Horford who's shown his athleticism and can surely fit in with Don Nelson's system. He'd be the banging power forward that could pair up well with Andris Biedrins. He's got some handle, can rebound, and can run run run. I'd still consider Corey Brewer as well. I think this guy is going to be awesome. He's already an excellent defender and top perimeter defenders are extremely valuable commodities (see Bruce Bowen). Just like Horford he can run the floor well and is athletic enough to play alongside BD, JR, SJ, etc. He's 6'9" with long arms and was the Final Four MVP on a team with Horford, Noah, and Green. I can't say for sure who the best of the 3 will be but I don't think you can go wrong with either of the 3 picks.
If the Warriors move up in the draft, are we sure it's for Yi? That's not a sure bet. Mullin has always played it close to the vest and nobody has ever been sure what he's going to do. Perhaps his and Nellie's reported desire to draft Yi is just a smoke screen to throw other GM's off.
Assuming Mullin swaps Monta in a deal for the #3 pick, who would you draft? Let's put it to a VOTE!
99% of rumors never happen, but 99% of them are fun to talk about!
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Finally, Jason Richardson gets a break
The Monta rumor probably started by Jason so he could get some peace!
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 26, 2007 9:20 AM PDT 0 recs
Monta in a deal for the #3 pick?
Horford of course!! he's what we need more than the others but Brewer would be interesting. Monta is a better bet than YI though, at least we know what lil brother can do...
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 26, 2007 9:24 AM PDT 0 recs
i'd take horford over yi...
but it would be really tough to give up monta. he's shown so much progression in just 2 seasons and still has the potential to be a better player and the future of our franchise. and if we lose monta, baron is gonna have to take on more minutes - meaning he's only gonna play 50 games or so - meaning the warriors will probably struggle to scrape their way into the playoffs again.
it's a tough call. but like they say, scared money don't make money - so you gotta take risks sometimes in order to get to that next level.
the crowning achievement of ira newble's illustrious career
by JudBooshlur on Jun 26, 2007 9:29 AM PDT 0 recs
haha
by BlueNgoldBlood on
Jun 26, 2007 2:04 PM PDT
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Horford
by Grandma on Jun 26, 2007 9:31 AM PDT 0 recs
has anyone else noticed that
by dallaswarrior on Jun 26, 2007 9:38 AM PDT 0 recs
Noticed that also
If the Warriors move up to the 3 spot and draft Yi over Horford I will throw up in my mouth. I'm trying REAL hard not to, but I'm starting to hate this poor Yi kid due to the massive hype machine. I know you guys started it here at this website, but is there any rumor at all or any discussion we can have where I don't see his name? We could be talking about Pepe Sanchez recording a rap album and it would some how lead to Yi. So with that, I propose a Yi Free Day. Let's say we make it for tomorrow, so we can have just one friggin' day where my head doesn't explode before the draft.
by Tony Stark on
Jun 26, 2007 10:01 AM PDT
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Monta for No. 3 pick
by Phil T28 on Jun 26, 2007 10:13 AM PDT 0 recs
4-team trade
by yohan on Jun 26, 2007 11:13 AM PDT 0 recs
I agree
by Tony Stark on
Jun 26, 2007 11:20 AM PDT
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I've been saying
by yehyeh82 on
Jun 26, 2007 12:04 PM PDT
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The word is
What is interesting about this trade is that Atlanta has an ownership problem and are not giving out long term contracts. It is conceivable that they don't offer Monta a legitimate contract going into next year, he becomes a free agent and we sign him. Highly doubtful, but probable, especially if Baron opts out. Then our roster going into the future could be:
Monta
Typical 2/3
Typical 2/3
Horford
Biedrins
Hey, a man can dream, can't he?!?
by yehyeh82 on Jun 26, 2007 12:12 PM PDT 0 recs
Monta
by goGSW24 on Jun 26, 2007 1:16 PM PDT 0 recs
What's the real potential?
However, the potential for an impact front court player to help their team improve substantially is much, much greater. There's a reason why one of the basic trade axioms is don't trade big for small.
by jae on
Jun 26, 2007 2:08 PM PDT
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Please explain
by yehyeh82 on
Jun 26, 2007 4:01 PM PDT
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No, his stats do not say he's average.
If you take every off guard in the game, add up all their rebounds, then add up all their minutes, then divide the rebounds by minutes, you get the average number of rebounds per minute for the position. If you do this for Monta, you'll see that his rebound rate is below this. If you do it for point guards, you get the same result-Monta is below average.
Whether or not there are taller guards who are not better than him doesn't somehow raise him above average.
I don't dispute that he can (and has been) a valuable player, that he can score, that he can at times pass well. None of this has any bearing at all on the fact that he's a below average rebounder. He's a below average rebounder for either position he plays. That's not an opinion. That's a fact. Unless you want to pervert the meaning of average to mean something other than what it actually means, this indicates that he's below average. Sorry. It really does.
by jae on
Jun 27, 2007 12:22 PM PDT
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your slogan, I DON'T BELIEVE!
Whoa there buddy...your right! dynamic scorers, tweener gaurds, cant carry ball clubs(echem Arenas)..Why would you expect your rail thin, 21 yr. old point gaurd to pull you rebounds? He already averages almost 4 a game, which to me is ideal for that position. I would assume even Nelson is happy with that. Its unfair to expect him to be Oscar Robertson and pull 10 a game..wait..I mean...is that what you wanted? MY BAD. Speaking of the DON, Nelson has continually praised Monta's ability to see the court, and believes in his potential to make the passes(4 apg). ID GO WITH NELON'S OPINION OVER YOURS, sorry Jae.
Sure, he turned the ball over probably more than anyone else on our club, BUT really though dude, think about it. How could you overlook the fact that he wouldve been a sophmore in college? Instead he was handed the reigns by an NBA coach who almost NEVER let rookies play, to RUN an NBA ball club at his tender age. STILL, he was awarded the MIP! Give the kid some credit and stop being so critical of his mental mistakes. Hes not the one holding us back. Not just you, but all of you non believers need to stop that.
"He can, and probably will be a dynamic scorer. But that alone isn't enough to build around."
WHAT? whoever even said we are building our franchise around him? Baron is our guy, Monta is a soldier, a piece to our puzzle, a kid who leads the league in fast break points on a team that runs. A VERY good on-the-ball defender who averaged 2 steals a game, on a club that plays sticky D. I personally dont give a godd*** if we run him at point or the 2. (I think he will start at 2 and spell Baron at the end of the 1st quarter) its irrelevant. The point is, I hate repeating this, is his age and his potential. His ballhandeling and decision making will ALL IMPROVE DRASTICALLY BEFORE HE HITS 25. BET ON IT.
I agree with you that we need a front court player, and Im not saying i would not trade Ellis if we got something SURELY BETTER. But i guess anything would be better to you, sounds like, because after all, Monta IS just a below average, dime a dozen gaurd right? never mind his accomplishments so far, or that hes probably the most naturally gifted ball player we've drafted in the past decade. haha thats not upside! i must be plum dumb! All of you who do not recognize the talents that seperate him from other guards, DO NOT KNOW THE GAME OF BASKETBALL. He fits in PERFECTLY with the system...do you disagree?
by BlueNgoldBlood on
Jun 26, 2007 5:19 PM PDT
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Your argument
I did not say that 'dynamic scorers, tweener gaurds, cant [sic] carry ball clubs.' That's what you said. I said, and these are my exact words "Small guards who aren't electric distributors and are below average rebounders for their position are rarely the difference between good and bad teams." Please note those words because they have real meaning while your interpretation of what I wrote has far, far less relevance. I meant that it's rare for a small guard who isn't a guy who gets everyone else involved and/or is substandard at rebounding for his position aren't likely to be a solid foundation for a club. They tend to be dynamic scorers on bad teams. This is somewhat subjective, but it seems to be the case.
You can dispute this, but I'd suggest if you do, you chose a better counter, one that actually supports your position rather than one that doesn't. Your "echem" about Arenas would have been better had you not used as an example a guy who is an above average rebounder for his position. No, he's not a great rebounder, but he's above average for a point guard (and just a shade below average for an off guard to boot).
Whether or not Monta is an electric passer, whether or not his passing is up to standard is more subjective, but his assist to turnover ratio (1.44) is below average for a point guard (average is 2.36) or an off guard (1.51). Arenas falls right in the middle of these two, which seems fair if he's used, as he is, as both an off guard and a point guard. His passing seems to be a big plus if he's acting as your primary scorer, less so if you have to rely on him to involve everyone else. Again, that's not an opinion. It's a fact. (You can dispute it, but it's not much different than disputing that water's wet.) Can he improve here? Maybe. I certainly hope so. But it doesn't indicate at this point that it's a strength of his game.
Value Nelson's opinion over mine all you want. I'm sure he knows more about the game than I do, and positive he knows much more about the game than you do. I do know that Nelson has worked specifically on Monta's passing in practice because he's found the turnovers too high and the assists too low and had practices where he forbade him from shooting because he needs work on it. That doesn't sound like a situation where Nelson was particularly pleased. Perhaps he does believe in his potential but it does appear that he has problems with the execution at this point. Neither you nor I know what Nelson thinks about Monta's rebounding. But based on the rest of your 'reasoning' I'm inclined to think that your conjecture and $3 leaves you short on the cost of a Starbuck's coffee, nothing more and that you have no factual basis for believing that Nelson's "happy" with it.
That he's a below average rebounder for his position isn't an opinion. It's a fact. Perhaps you don't believe that this is important. You're entitled to your opinion, though it's counter to a mountain of evidence that shows that having better rebounders regardless of position correlates with winning more often than not. It's unfair to expect him to be Oscar Robertson. Never expected him to. It's not unfair to say that a) he's not average for his position because this is an empirical fact and b) rebounds help your team win because this is an empirical fact. He has to do something to compensate for the aspects of his game that are below average and there are aspects of his game--real important ones-- that are below average. The NBA doesn't grade on a curve where he gets bonus points because he's shorter and thus his lack of rebounding somehow doesn't hurt as much as if he were taller.
I like him as a player, and tend to think that he is more of an asset than otherwise. Perhaps this whole "reading for comprehension" thing got lost on you when you became obsessed with typing in all-caps to make points. Perhaps this would serve you better than making up an opinion that I said he was useless and anything would be better. It would very likely be better since I never said such a thing. Again, it appears that you're more adept at trying to rail against what you think I wrote that what I actually wrote, but this fault rests with you, not with me.
(Worthless diatribe about what I know about the game of basketball ignored. If you can't follow one coherent line of thinking and insist on deciding what you thought I said rather than dealing with what I actually posted, it's really neither my fault nor my problem.)
by jae on
Jun 27, 2007 1:00 PM PDT
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I know how to read buddy. I read what you said. It REALLY sounded to me like you dont think Monta is valuable enough to our team, therefore a liability, and should be moved. Thats really what it reads. Perhaps YOU should go back and read it, I have. Nelson is quoted in saying that Ellis can see the court and has the ability to make the pass. Barnett has said time and again as well. While its your fault to read too far into judging his assist to turnover ratio. I simply said hes young and will get better. Its not fair to presume he wont, and he's only 21 yrs. old and deserves some slack. If history has taught you anything JAE, that is usually the case for young talents in this league. As far as your basketball knowledge over mine, of course YOU will say you know more. But then again, I can say that I should be president of the US instead of Bush. But it would be just me saying that. Instead of me along with a cavalry. Which brings me to another point, Ive seen your name on here before. ALOT of people disagree with you. Hahaha who are you?
by BlueNgoldBlood on
Jun 27, 2007 6:45 PM PDT
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THANKS!!!!!
by faetati on Jun 26, 2007 1:17 PM PDT 0 recs
oooh its tough, but...
ELLIS
Patrick O'Bryant
#18
FOR
#3, and #11
#3. Horford, who would play alongside Biedrins for the next decade giving us a premier, athletic, skilled frontcour. Baron would lick his chops.
#11. Crittenton, http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/javariscrittenton.html ... I dont know, an explosive combo gaurd with size would fit in nicely in Nellies system coming of the bench to help out Baron and JR.. plus that would fill in a need if we were to trade Monta.
BUT with all that said, I am higher on Monta than anyone else. I would be the first one amongst you to say that he will be a superstar. Im not even sure I would pull the trigger on this. thats really how good I think he will become.
by BlueNgoldBlood on Jun 26, 2007 2:33 PM PDT 0 recs
I read in the paper today...
THIS IS THE BEST TRADE SCENARIO FOR THE WARRIORS I HAVE HEARD OF SO FAR. What do you guys think?
by BlueNgoldBlood on Jun 26, 2007 2:40 PM PDT 0 recs
that's not too bad
by AJC3317 on
Jun 26, 2007 2:51 PM PDT
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It's been discussed here. A lot.
If you factor in defense, Wallace is probably a better all-around player than JRich, and 1.5 years younger.
At #8 we get one of Yi, Noah, Brewer or Brandan Wright.
It's hard to believe Charlotte would do it, just as it's hard to believe Atlanta would give up #3 for Monta.
by Sleepy Freud on
Jun 26, 2007 3:40 PM PDT
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i'd do it
the crowning achievement of ira newble's illustrious career
by JudBooshlur on
Jun 26, 2007 4:04 PM PDT
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I'd do it too
by olympicmike on
Jun 26, 2007 4:35 PM PDT
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Bobcats
For the Warriors this is a good deal
I would trade J_Rich for Wallace at 10 million per year straight up
by Zig on
Jun 26, 2007 4:54 PM PDT
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this i would do
by AJC3317 on Jun 26, 2007 2:49 PM PDT 0 recs
i'd do
monta plus POB for the #3, oooh and if we could get josh childress back, that'd be awesome.
or
Jrich and 18 for Wallace, Knight and the 8th.
by kenntoe on Jun 26, 2007 5:10 PM PDT 0 recs
to answer one of the following questions....
by manutefor3 on Jun 26, 2007 10:10 PM PDT 0 recs













