It doesn't make any difference what fans think relative to what Mully etc do.  The sentiment of the GSoM community has suddenly shifted to keep Wright and not give up our future by trading Monta or especially AB.  It makes me worry to hear about moving mountains to get KG or even mutterings of the Yi Movement rising from the ashes of Milwaukee.  In a poll question I asked about trading for KG, 40% voted to stand pat.  
And that survey posited that Foyle be part of any deal.  How could we not use his contract to make the numbers work!  KG is the prize but let's make Foyle's contract the boobie prize to get some of the bangles we now have to dangle.

You do, indirectly, make an interesting point about moving Baron now to preseve our longer range future.  Of course this is outright heresy, but what about making Baron part of a deal and simultaneously pick up Mo Williams as our PG? What will Baron do next year if he doesn't get his requested extension?  We could use our trade exemption for Mo Williams and work on a three or four way deal--without involving Beans or Wright--to bring in KG.  You say anyone but ABBB but I say no one over 6'10" except POB because Nellie hates him.  I sat through too many games when mediocre bigs from the Fakers and other teams just killed us on the boards and we eventually lost games we should have won.

Personally, I am in the "stay pat" camp and try to land Wallace.  I'd like to see our current roster gel and grow together and not worry about what Baron will do after next year or be anxious over Mully changing the face of our franchise to pick up KG or Yi.

I dunno. I've been skeptical about us ever having the chance to grab Garnett as long as UpperRiver's been frothing about it, always for the same reason: no way KG's going to come here, at least not happily, at least not for long. Think about it: He's had a decade of frustration up north, and he has a three-year window to win a championship. You think he's going to hang that all on  a team that, aside from two months of "We Believe" magic, has been considered the Tampa Bay Devil Rays of basketball for the last decade, a team with a rickety superstar PG (with an out clause) and an aging coaching legend in poor health (and and out clause)? Hey, I love the Garnett fantasy as much as the next guy, but I'd bet a substantial sum that Garnett himself still has enough clout in his own organization to steer himself to one of two glamour destinations: Phoenix or LA. Wouldn't you, if you were him? And even if we grab him, do we really want to mortgage everything on a KG who can bolt after a year?

Frankly, I'm starting to like the pieces we've got right now. Even without our beloved JRich, I'm not sure we really have taken much of a step back (when you figure in other offsetting factors, like Monta and AB's continued development, possible contributions from our talented rooks, a full year of meshing with the team for Jax and Al).

I give Mully major props for trying to land KG, but as a Warriors fan, I'd be perfectly happy to see him worry less about that pipe dream and see him go after some other missing piece (Artest, Wallace) with our trade exception. Then we're better off short term AND long.

The Warriors offered Wright, Ellis and POB (presumably with Sarunas and Foyle's contracts?)

The Twolves countered with Wright, Ellis, and Biedrins

The Warriors countered with Wright, Ellis, and Harrington and insisted KG waive his trade kicker of $6.5M.

Link:
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors

Doesn't sound totally accurate, because Harrington would probably have had to be in any offer to balance the salaries.

minny will never take foyle's contract. and prolly won't like taking Al Harrington's contract either. They want young talent, lottery picks and expirings....last time i checked foyle was neither. I'm glad too because i really don't think a KG-Baron relationship is good but not championship worthy. Do you really, i mean honestly see that team being better than Dallas, Phoenix or San Antonio...umm no. So you may as well stock pile the young talent now and hope they develop. And Baron still has value at mentoring the young guys. Plus his value isn't all that high anyway right now.

account, also, is that the time to win is now, period. If we can get Garnett we have a shot at being a top 2 or 3 team in the Western Conference for 2 or 3 seasons before health and age catch up to us.

BUT

If we go with what we have right now, in three years we're not only playing catchup to the Houston's and Utah's and Phoenix's and San Antonio's, but teams like Seattle and Portland are going to catch up to us. I mean, I like our new young nucleus as much as anybody (Wright, Biedrins, and Ellis are, after all, impressive) but it just doesn't stack up to Durant-Green-Future Draft Picks (or, if you want, Delonte West) and it doesn't stack up to Oden-Roy-Aldridge.

The fact of the matter is if we want to seriously make a run at a title, the window of opportunity is right now. Because we're not bad enough to land an impact guy through the lottery anymore and, as it stands, not good enough to contend with the Phoenix's and San Antonio's of the conference.

I'm on board with holding Biedrins in a Garnett deal if possible, because, well, you still have to team Garnett and Baron with somebody. But building for the future in our situation just doesn't seem to be that viable an option.

He can elevate his game in the playoffs to a higher level than anyone else.  Does anyone remember the series against the Kings in their prime?  KG would not be denied.  Under Nelson's scheme, we would have three ice-cold clutch performers in KG, Jack and BDiddy.  This man has much to prove.

With Rod Higgins in Charlotte, we have our own secret agent to thwart any attempts by a Western contender to sign and trade Gerald Wallace. Plus, I don't believe Dallas has sufficient cap space to sign him outright. Genius.

Without dealing Damp or Terry, I think the Mavs are really handcuffed, since the only other chips they have are Harris and Howard, the departures of whom would make them much less deadly.

they won't take no for an answer on Biedrins, take Gerald Wallace and call it a day. Biedrins is only going to get better, and the whole purpose of getting KG is to pair them together. As much as I want KG in the bay, we have to be smart about it.

of standing pat and getting Wallace.  That guy would be perfect in Nellie's system.

If we could sign Wallace, it would mean that we traded JR for Wallace and Wright.  Not bad!

Ive posted this 3 times and nobodys got an opinion on it. But ill do it again.

Golden State Warriors

Incoming Players
 Jason Williams
Salary: $8,250,000  Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 10.9  REB: 2.3  AST: 5.3  PER: 15.11

 Chris Wilcox
Salary: $6,250,000  Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 13.5  REB: 7.7  AST: 1.0  PER: 16.63

Outgoing Players: Adonal Foyle, Al Harrington

Miami Heat

Incoming Players
 Rashard Lewis
Salary: $9,350,649  Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 22.4  REB: 6.6  AST: 2.4  PER: 20.78

 Adonal Foyle
Salary: $8,125,000  Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 2.2  REB: 2.6  AST: 0.4  PER: 13.58

Outgoing Players: Jason Williams, Antoine Walker

Seattle SuperSonics

Incoming Players
 Antoine Walker
Salary: $7,606,820  Years Remaining: 5
PTS: 8.5  REB: 4.3  AST: 1.7  PER: 9.65

 Al Harrington
Salary: $7,625,000  Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 16.5  REB: 6.4  AST: 1.9  PER: 14.89

Outgoing Players: Rashard Lewis, Chris Wilcox

I think Mullin is going to try very hard to get Gerald Wallace on this team. Ive been praying for it to happen since last year, and I think my prayers finally look like they might be answered. What a perfect fit for our ball club. I also was hoping they would draft Belinelli, and they did. IM sorry, but as good as Garnett is, I would strongly go against trading Andris, Monta, and Wright to get him. I dont know if Baron, Garnett, and Jackson would be good enough to win us a championship given the window of time we have to work with, and with the current status of a new and improved western conference, itd be tough. Sign Wallace, keep our young pieces, and if Wright is as good as Mullin and Nelson says he is going to be, and if Andris and Monta develop into franchise players, we will be in contention for a championship VERY soon.

Kevin McHale is an idiot.  That's a factor that could be playing to the Warriors benefit.

of Monta,Wright,and Andris and another contract for KG. It's just like trading J Rich,Monta,and Andris that's way too much for KG. I would do Monta,Al,Foyle and 2 future 1st round picks or watever for Kg and some other guy.

We got to think 10 years from now instead of 3.. We should keep our young talent, sign Wallace, who is 24 yrs old, and then count on Mully to pull of a deal that would land us another impact player for some dead weight(Foyle, Sarunas)

i agree 100%. if we can get kg without giving up those two, it must be done

a lot of it has to do with our inability to think championship. We've just been trained for too long to dream for the playoffs. We've never tried to contend for a championship and maybe we don't even want to.

And if that's the goal, then it's best to keep the team as is, with a nice mix of vets and young talent, a star pg and an up and coming pg, savvy vets and young forward prospects.

but if we could somehow think like winners.. i know it's hard haha we're so used to being lovable losers, but... as winners, as title contenders, we'd   scoff at the notion of a ten year plan and go for maximum power right now.

it's hard even for me to change my thinking.

i say, get KG if we can get him to waive his trade kicker and if we don't have to give up biedrins or baron. gogogo

forget it. trade AB to. get KG. think about this for a second folks. If we have KG and Davis, we have the reincarnation of Marbury Garnett, except Davis is 5x the player Marbury ever was, and Garnett is a much more polished player now.

and it's not like we won't have a supporting cast either. a front court of twin towers (biedrins Garnett) is the ideal situation. But Jackson/Harrington/Barnes/Belinelli is a PRETTY GOOD supporting cast. Two stars and a good supporting cast. Thats championship material right there.

if this trade goes through, we become a monster. and all the attention in the west will be focused on us.

will warriors fans be ready for that?

First off, I really hope Mullin doesnt do something involving Yi and Wright. I just have this feeling that Yi will be a bust and Wright will be a good-terrific player in this league for many years to come. Second, while I would refuse to part with Biedrins, I do not feel the same about Ellis. I have this feeling that while he will be a solid player in this league for many years, providing he remains healthy, he will not do much better than what he did last year. If the trade is say Harrington, Ellis, OB, and a 1st rounder, I would say go for it. Look at Miami a couple of years ago. With Wade, Odom, and Butler, they had a good young team that was good enough to make the playoffs, but was not a championship team. So they traded the solid vet Odom (Harrington), the promising young player Butler (Ellis), and a 1st rounder. I believe there was another player involved, but I cannot remember who. This elevated the Heat to a championship. I believe something similar could happen with the Warriors. Garnett, Jackson, Davis, Biedrins, Wright, Barnes (mid-level), Azubuike (I LOVE this guy), and Bellenelli would be a fantastic team with a mix of established superstars and uber-talented young players

AS much as I love Bdiddy how about BD and AL for kg then use that exeption for mo williams or even billups.

williams/suranas
monta/belinelli
jackson/barnes?
kg/wright
biedrins/FOYLE

they're trying to get younger and better, not older and less healthy

could we keep barnes and get wallace?

I do not understand the wallace talk.  Can the warriors afford to pay Baron, Monta, Jackson, Harrington, Biedrins AND Wallace?  Or are people expecting one of these guys to be moved to make room for Wallace?

If the warriors trade for KG, I see Monta, POB, Al, Foyle, Sarunas and Wright being shipped out, along with 1-2 firsts.  A wildcard is adding a signed MP.  I'm hoping KG and Baron would both be willing to sign $15 million/year extensions for a shot at a title.

If not, I doubt the warriors make any major moves.  Not that I've ever been able to predict Mullin & Nellie's actions before.

these types of deals always come back to haunt teams. look at the chris webber trade that hooked up Allen Iverson and Chris Webber. Granted Webber wasn't the player KG is now. Or how about last year's Allen Iverson and Carmelo Anthony. Both are out of this world ball players and superstars in their own right. They also argually have a better supporting cast in Nene, Camby, JR Smith, and Steve Blake. They were beaten handily by the spurs.

What i'm saying is that superstar matchups do not work out as well as everyone thinks. It is not 100% guaranteed that Brandan Wright, Marco Belinelli, Monta Ellis, or Andris Biedrins become superstars or even all stars. But at Kevin Garnett's age and contract situation, is it as guaranteed that he and Baron can carry this team on their shoulders? I'd say you have an even chance at both.

It is short sighted in playing only for next year--which is really what you're doing if KG doesn't make it to at least the Western Conference Finals (He'd probably opt out).

Now lets say we do get KG. We'd have to resign or extend him as well as Baron (because one wont want to play here without the other). KG will probably command the most money--i'm totally guessing here--17 million a year. Baron said he wants a max deal at what--15+ million a year? Even if we do keep Biedrins in the deal, he'd get somewhere around 10-11 million a year. That is around 42 million a year spent on 3 players. 3 PLAYERS!! Who else can we sign without going over the luxury tax. We all know how Chris Cohan hates going near the luxary tax.

But to be fair, With a team with two superstars, Cohan may see the worthiness in going over the tax at a chance to win and more money through TV deals and publicity.

Even if Cohan goes over the tax to have AB, KG, And BD (haha), What kind of talent can we have at the other positions that could feasibly make us "contenders"?

Granted for the next season, we'd have a lineup of

1. Baron Davis
   
2. Stephen Jackson
   
3. Al Harrington
   
4. Kevin Garnett
   
5. Andris Biedrins (hopefully)

That is a formidable lineup, arguably--nay better--better than this seasons'. But the variables going into this team living up to its potential depend heavily upon the shoulders (or should i say knees) of Baron Davis and Kevin Garnett. The next thing that worries me is the depth of this team once the starting lineup needs a rest. Its a sexy lineup for sure..hopefully not one-night-stand-sexy though if you know what i mean.

All i'm saying is that hoping for Monta, Biedrins, and Wright to reach their potential is a gamble, but so is putting all your eggs in one basket in Garnett and Baron.

With such a small window of oppurtunity to win and win big, i cannot say it is honestly worth the price to mortgage the farm. Do you really want to be known as the team that gave away a potential all star(s) for a rent-a-player?

Is the juice worth the squeeze?

To me, the juice is too expensive.

just the fact that the W's are IN the discussions with an offer of Monta, Wright and POB makes me feel very good. I am VERY OK with that. It really is important to hang on to Beans and that would probably be a deal breaker for me too. But if they would take Harrington instead of POB, I'd be good with that too.

If Harrington goes in the deal it makes it very important to get Barnes resigned.
BD
Jax
Barnes
KG
Beans
Very nice 5....or add G. Wallace via sign/trade with the 10 mil exception....
BD
Jax
Wallace
KG
Beans
Absolutely deadly.

Either way this offseason goes, KG or not, I'll be really happy and pumped this for next year.

He's going to be competent in the NBA at best.

I've always loved KG's game, and envisioned him as a Warrior. And at first glance, he appears to be the perfect fit for Nellieball. But I can't help but be a little skeptical about whether he'd actually be able to withstand a season of runrunrunning, at age 31 with, what, 14 NBA seasons on his legs? And there's no way Harrington's going to play the 3 if KG is at the 4, and even Jackson at the 2--suddenly you're one of the BIGGEST teams in the league, while Nellieball is at its best when the SMALL guys are taking advantage of the mismatches.

Crazy thought, but one I could totally see Nellie having: KG plays Center. Monta stays and starts at the 2, Biedrins is included in the trade instead. I'm not condoning this move, just throwing it out there.

The proposal that had KG going to Suns, Amare to hawks and just #3 and #11 picks going to TWolves means that Suns will give up Amare to get Garnett and McHale wants to rebuild with young talent.

Mullin could offer up Harrington, BWright and high contracts that expire soon in Jask and Foyle, throw in a resigned Pietrus or future 1st rounder even. Garnett goes to Suns and Amare comes here. Amare is a better finisher inside than Garnett, better than almost any other nba player. He is a great rebounder as well and becoming even more of a shot blocker. Can see him getting back to doing what he did before his microfracture surgery when he averaged 26pts. With Baron, Monta, SJackson, Belinelli and Barnes, Amare would have great playmakers getting him the ball and ready to shoot the outside shot. With Biedrins, another great rebounder, shot blocker and inside finisher, they would make perhaps the best PF/C duo in the nba.

Garnett is too risky with his age and more importantly, ability to opt out after next season. Amare is younger and locked in his contract for longer

ABBB!

I dont think that people who are against trading our youth for Garnett are scared. At least Im not. I trust Mullin and Nelson. I trust that they can build our team into a franchise that can bring multiple titles. Not just one. I dont think Garnett is the messiah. Its not like if we dont get Garnett, than our hopes for a championship are ruined. Points like Baron dont come by often at all, but more importantly, more than ANYTHING, are the people you have calling the shots. Do you trust them to build a championship team without Garnett? Do you trust them?

If the warriors trade B. Wright to Minnesota, could they sign-and-trade him or would they have to trade his rights?

If they can sign-and-trade Wright, the warriors could potentially trade Foyle, Sarunas, Monta, POB, and a signed Wright (plus a first or whatever) for KG.  

My second question, then, is if the warriors could acquire KG without giving up Harrington, do you do it?  Personally, unless the Cohen is willing to pull a Cuban and go well into the luxury, I don't see how Harrington remains a warriors if KG comes to the bay.

At the same time though, I'm wondering if Minnesota even wants Harrington's contract.  If Harrington & Foyle are both included in the deal, I expect the warriors to get back one of Hudson, Hassel, or Jaric.  bleh