Back-up PG minutes: Belinelli or Ellis?

by BlueNgoldBlood on Jul 9, 2007 9:59 PM PDT Comment 43 comments

Who would you like to see the Warriors run at back-up point next season?

After watching the second summer league game, I am now more impressed and hopeful about Belinelli's chances of making a serious impact for us next season.

His court vision and ability to thread the pass have been overlooked, in my opinion. Furthermore, his performances have aroused questioning within myself about the Warriors plans concerning he and Ellis.

Who will the Warriors use to man the back up PG position next season? Will it be Belinelli, or Ellis?

Who would you rather see get the minutes?

I would like to see this:

Baron and Monta starting alongside one another. This will provide us with a fast paced, bursting offense to start out the game. It could lead us to early fast break points, giving us a respectable lead by the end of the 1st quarter.

I would then substitute Baron for Belinelli, bringing Marco in as the PG. I hate repeating this but, Nelson loves mismatches. Marko will be able to shoot and pass over most any PG's around the league whenever he wants. He could make interior passes without the threat of getting the ball tipped and stolen. Judging by what we have seen so far, can you imagine that, Marko shooting over a 6-2 gaurd at will, or gunning to Biedrins?

It would also create mismatches for Ellis that would benefit him. He is faster and quicker than most any 2's in the league. His ballhandeling ability so far seems to match that of a 2 instead of point gaurd, and he prefers to drive and blow past defenders. With his ability to finish at the rim with contorting acrobatic lay-ups, it is obvious that his strengths are at the 2 spot, and no SG in the league will be able to gaurd him man to man.

I believe in Marko's ability to run the point without causing turnovers, and making outstanding mistakes. He is obviously a high IQ on the court, does not make careless passes, and knows how to read defenses. Moreover, his experience so far would help him the most in this area. His Ballhandeling is solid, having seen him avoid steals going threw the legs or behind the back comfortably. He also has the quickness and the handle to escape double teams and find a wide open man.

Two of the outstanding plays he made in the game vs. the 76er's confirmed my faith that he has ability to run this position.

Skill/I.Q. -

On the fastbreak, we lobbed the ball down the court to Belli and his defender. He caught it behind the 3 pt. line near the sideline. He immediately looked up and recognized that his teamate, a big man, was the trailer ahead of the play. Marco's defender was also backed up, waiting to see if he would pass, drive, or shoot.
Marco, realizing it would be hard to make a pass this way, threw up a pump fake to draw the defender in one more step. It worked. He now created a better angle to execute a pass. He then looked to see if the trailer's man was gaurding the pass. He wasnt, he was too busy chasing down the trailer and had his head turned. In an instant, Marco threw a crisp, chest pass that whizzed by the defenders ear and into the hands of the trailer for a dunk.

He clearly demonstrated the instincts needed to make the play. One more example:

Court vision/Decision making -

Marco used the crossover to get by his defender, going left. He then drew a second defender, who was gaurding Bookie in the corner. He pulled up off one foot for a jumper, but realizing the shot was increasingly difficult, he remembered his open man behind him in the corner. He then whipped the ball behind his ear for a perfect kick out to Azubuike for a wide open three. Marco displayed that he has the instincts to make split decisions, and the court vision to see an offensive play happen in his mind the second before it actually does.

Ellis is an extraordinary talent. He seems to have more of an offensive mind set. Though he has shown flashes, and some ability to make the play. He is also listed at 6-4 and is long and skilled enough to be a dominant 2 in this league. Maybe the next Joe Dumars.

Who would you like to see the Warriors run at the Back up point next season?

I nominate Marco Belinelli. Start Monta at 2.

This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!

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the whole mismatch thing

is a good idea, but it doesn't work that way. just because we choose to have a 6-5 Belinelli bring the ball up the court and have the 6-2 monta ellis play shooting gaurd doesn't mean that they are going to put there 6-2 pg on belinelli and their 6-6 slower shooting gaurd on monta ellis. lol. it just doesn't work that way.

but..

A way that you could put bellinelli at Point and get those great mismatches would be to put lets say kelenna azabuike or stephen jackson at 2 and force their smaller pg to gaurd bellinelli. and with the starting lineup, Baron and monta at gaurd positions, i think that every backcourt in the league would have mismatches their. almost no pgs are strong enough to gaurd Baron, and almost no1 in the league is quick enough to gaurd monta let a lone have two gaurds on the same team being capable with matching up with our backcourt.

by travisl212 on Jul 9, 2007 10:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

This won't matter

once we have KG.

by DubsDominate on Jul 9, 2007 10:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I think its more who's where, when...

Our offense is back in forth like the green ball in a tennis match. Alot of helter skelter. So the gaurds will be constantly switching as the ball changes wind. Alot of the times the opposing PG will be caught gaurding Belinelli. It is not easy to make the defensive switch back without having someone score on you.

But otherwise, I agree with you. That is not how defenses work. Also, Ellis to me looks much taller than 6-2. He looks closer to 6-4 now. He's long.

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by BlueNgoldBlood on Jul 9, 2007 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

you think so?

baron is what 6-3 and i thought monta was a little shorter then him. i think he has pretty long arms tho.

by travisl212 on Jul 9, 2007 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

No your right...

I think Monta is around 6-3 w/ shoes. The commentators in today's game mentioned that he is now a legit 6-4, but I have the feeling they dont really know what theyre talking about. It just confused me... I was hoping they were right to be honest.

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by BlueNgoldBlood on Jul 9, 2007 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

oh alright

by travisl212 on Jul 9, 2007 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Right...

but right now we have Ellis, not KG. Therefore, right now, it is fairly important to the success of the team. Wouldnt u agree?

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by BlueNgoldBlood on Jul 9, 2007 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

i think

once baron is subbed out ellis will move over to point and belinellie/buike covers for SG

we will miss your j rich

by ripjrich on Jul 9, 2007 10:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

also

i believe that they list monta at 6-3 but he is probably more like 6-2 and if belinelli shows that he can handle and make the plays and pass well then definately give him some minutes at point i agree with you.

by travisl212 on Jul 9, 2007 10:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

you're right

in that w/o shoes he's supposedly 6'2.25" & 6' 3.25" w/ shoes.
http://www.insidehoops.com/chicago-camp-measurements.shtml

by the evil monkey on Jul 9, 2007 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

yup, your right.

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by BlueNgoldBlood on Jul 9, 2007 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Still growing at that age.

I'm not saying he is taller, but alot of people are still growing between the age of 19 and 21.

by Psion on Jul 10, 2007 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Monta is the pg

I think we're going to keep Monta on the bench as a change of pace just like the Suns use Barbosa. They are a major change of pace since they're both quick and slash to the basket. I think we'll actually start Azubuike rather than Monta or Belinelli because with 2 players off the bench that can score at will can be deadly against a 2nd line. I mean even if we don't get KG...Baron, Jax, Harrington, Buike, and AB can definately keep the offense going. Bring in Ellis and Belinelli off the bench and it'll be a non-stop scoring fest. Forgot to reiterate that Monta will "be" the pg, but he may not bring the ball up the court.

by Mdawg851 on Jul 9, 2007 11:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Really?

You would start Azubuike over Ellis? Interesting.
I'm enthused. Although remember that Nelson is likely to go with an 8 man rotation. I see your logic, but Im not sure substitutions work that way. You dont see all the starters leave the game, and then the entire 2nd string comes in. Just doesnt work like that.

You usually see coaches combine starters with bench players in one lineup throughout the entire game. Anyone could just switch entire line ups. Thats where good coaching comes into play, who to play with who...when to use your subs. Thats what coachings all about.

Our 8 man rotation should look like this.(without considering any trades or signings)

Davis
Ellis
Jackson
Harrington
Biedrins
For
Belinelli
Barnes
Wright

maybe Azubuike

I really like Azubuike. He is a strong guard who can score and rebound. He looks well.

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by BlueNgoldBlood on Jul 9, 2007 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

none of the above

Sarunas Jaskevicius is still the only other pure point guard on the roster, and he still has talent. He just never got consistent burn, so I want to see him get the dedicated role of backup PG.

Neither Ellis nor Marco run the pick and roll as well as he does, although both are probably better finishers in the paint.

by OptionZero on Jul 9, 2007 11:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Why

would Nelson all of the sudden play Sarunas, when he didnt sniff the court last year? Nelson is not one to change once hes got his mind made up. I agree with you that he is a natural point guard, although he has shown that he has the lateral quickness of a cow, and would give up too many points on the other end. I cant get over that, no matter how well he runs the pick n roll.

I think he's gone. Bring in Mo Williams.

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by BlueNgoldBlood on Jul 9, 2007 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

doesn't change his mind?

Nelson isn't one to change his mind? Really? You mean like the way he started Dunleavy at PF last year and Murphy at center and stuck with that until the bitter end of the playoffs?

by jae on Jul 10, 2007 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Jae...

Your hell of annoying...I can always count on you buddy to come out of the ground as soon as you smell an opportunity to correct someone and show everyone else how "smart" you are...

Anyways, what your saying makes no sense at all. Coach Nelson came to this team with Murphy and Dunleavy already signed to max contracts. I dont think Nelson was particularly sold on either of the players.

What the hell is he going to do? Tell everyone that he cant stand Dunleavy's and Murphy's game as soon as he arrives? Just like that? Actually, he did, now that I think about it. After our first home game, a blowout against the Lakers, Nelson said, and I cant remember the exact quote...but he said something to the effect of hes screwed with that team. That same night Murphy had a horrible shooting night, and Dunleavy was a ghost, as usual.

It would make Mully look like a fool, to publicly say that the players he signed to max contracts absolutely suck. Instead, What Nelson did was try to work them into his system the best he could. He gave the "franchise players" a shot.

Then, when it was obvious that they could not live up to his expectations, he came to Mullin, hat in hand, and said Look, I cant play with these guys. You got to give me something different. Mullin said, Ok, I understand, and he went out and changed the team.

Nelson is not one to change his mind because he values his own opinion over anyone else's. He's a hall of fame coach that knows it all, who is he going to ask for advice? Once he got his mind made up on something, thats usually how it goes.

Actually, now that I think about it, maybe YOU should tell Nellie what to do JAE. Since your obviously smarter than me and everyone else.

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by BlueNgoldBlood on Jul 10, 2007 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Don't want to be corrected?

[Smarter that everyone? No. Not at all. Smarter than you? I suspect so. It's nice you notice it too.]

Don't want to be corrected? Try to support your arguments then. You made a statement. I didn't think you supported your statement with anything more than your assertion that it was correct. You said Nellie wasn't one to change his mind. I gave you a counter-example. I questioned whether it was true based on some cases where Nellie had changed his mind. You seem to get annoyed that someone questions your assertion. You seem annoyed that I found a counter example. Real world must be a tough place for you. In the rest of your life does everyone accept what you say just because you say it?

For what it's worth, neither Murphy or Dunleavy had "max contracts." Perhaps you do not know what a max contract is and just feel like using the term to mean "big." However, there's a maximum salary in the NBA and neither were at that level. They were large, too large for their production, but they weren't max contracts. I suspect that a tiny detail like a fact won't actually matter to you. Facts are "annoying" and get in the way of blanket statements.

And while we're at it, "your" is the possessive and "you're" is the contraction as in "your grammar makes it look as if you're completely ignorant."

by jae on Jul 11, 2007 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Alright, well then you're an ass...

I did support my arguments. Your the only one that really had anything to argue about in the first place. You initialized the argument that Nelson does in fact change his mind. Of course! We all do... thats not the point. The point is, that once he has his mind made up about a certain player, he rarely goes back on that and give him another chance.

However, you, Jae, pulled something completely different out of your smart ass about Dunleavy and Murphy. You came up with this story about Nelson somehow believing that they were the guys he was going to make it to the playoffs with. When clearly, he had doubts about them from the beginning.

I am only saying your a jack ass because of the fact that every time you lose an argument to not me, but EVERYONE, you come back and argue about things that have nothing to do with what we were even talking about in the first place. (max contracts, grammar) I am well aware that they did not receive contracts like ARod did, but for their level of talent, and their acheivements(if you can call them that) they received the max contracts that they had a shot at. Those contracts were up there with some of the better names in the NBA. They dont deserve them.

On a grammatical standpoint, I really dont give a damn if you can write a 200 page book or if your better at grammar, or what university your parents sent you to. Im an Oakland native that attends the local jc. Obviously, you havnt run into "ignorant" yet, maybe you'd learn not to be such a smart ass all the time, and admit when your wrong at least once to anyone, if you did.

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by BlueNgoldBlood on Jul 11, 2007 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow.

You're attending college and you don't seem to care that you cannot demonstrate the difference between a contraction and a possessive? You should care as it appears you're getting though school without learning some really basic skills.

by jae on Jul 11, 2007 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Am I

being graded on my grammar? i simplee d'ont kare ef i yooz da rong grammer on a blog. I don't. Its really of no consequence as long as people know the point I am trying to make. Why are you trying to argue about things that dont matter at all?

This is my team There are many like it But this one is mine. My team, without me is useless. Without my team, I am useless

by BlueNgoldBlood on Jul 11, 2007 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yawn.

If you don't realize why being able to express yourself clearly and not appearing ignorant matters, you're hopeless. Your loss, not mine.

by jae on Jul 11, 2007 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

And yet you still...

keep yapping about this n that instead of just admitting you were wrong in the first place. Poo butt ass...

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by BlueNgoldBlood on Jul 11, 2007 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Haha.

"You should care as it appears you're getting though school without learning some really basic skills."

You spelled "through" incorrectly. Are you going to floss your teeth with barbwire and gargle salt water now? Haha... I really don't care. Im not a professor, and this isnt an essay. Do what you like brother, more power to ya.

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by BlueNgoldBlood on Jul 11, 2007 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

problem is nellie won't play him

b/c he can't guard anybody and his offense isn't enough to account for that.

by the evil monkey on Jul 9, 2007 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think

I would rather get a true point guard. i havent seen enough of Belinelli, and Monta is much better at the 2. a back up point is one of the things i hope mullin and Nellie (Mulson/Mulinellie) are working on. they really need to keep Barons minutes down as much as they can, and last year i always had sinking feeling in my stomach whenever anyone but baron was running the offense

by azw on Jul 9, 2007 11:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I agree

My assumptions about this situation are only based on the material we are working with at the moment. I would be humming quite a different tune if we were to bring in a true point, believe me. In my other diary, I expressed a desire for Mully to acquire Mo Williams of the Bucks. I am just stating the fact that I think Marco has more natural talent at the point than Ellis.

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by BlueNgoldBlood on Jul 9, 2007 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

From

the looks of the summer league it looks like Pierre Pierce might get a shot at making our roster. Obviously Buike and Belinelli are going to make it, but if POB or as I like to call him, POS, keeps performing how he is, I can seriously see him not making this team. We are in huge need of a PG and I think Pierre Pierce could be a viable, cheap option. Although I see him being more of a Jason Terry type PG with the shoot first, pass second mentality. He's actually not that bad, he's just got a record which isn't exactly the greatest thing. He has to register as a sex offender so I think that might have something to do why teams are wary of giving him a shot. But Nellie isn't the one to shy away from anyone if they have talent and he's definitely shown so far that he might have some talent.

by J Rich 4 MVP on Jul 9, 2007 11:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

if pierce can be that guy it would be great

We could use monta at sg and we can move quicker then we would then with s jax.

by stevenro59 on Jul 10, 2007 1:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Kelenna...

...is going to be so, so good for this team if they give him the minutes. Especially if the Garnett trade for Wright, Ellis, and filler goes down. Mark it down, this may be the year of Azubuike.

by Zack Vank on Jul 10, 2007 2:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I still don't buy that we're even close to

getting KG--most likely McHale is going to sit on him until the trade deadline when he can get even LESS value for him--netting a Monta and a BWright seems like a trade too good for him to make. Ideally, I envision Ellis playing a role similar to Barbosa's in PHX--a game changer off the bench who torches the other team's defense with his speed and forces them to make adjustments, keeping Nellie just one step ahead, dictating the tone. Bellinelli,hopefully will get the starting nod at 2 vacated by Richardson, and the rotation b/w him and Ellis providing a pretty devastating changeup. As for the backup PG role, we're stuck with Cabbages until further notice, and Pierre Pierce is looking pretty nice so far, but besides all that, the offense seemed to run well enough last year when Baron was on the bench and S Jax was handling point duties. Buike's a nice player, but I don't see him running an ofense.

All in all I think we see more of the same as last year, only substituting J-Rich for Belli. That means Nellie playing Baron until his wheels literally fall off...

by WhatWouldTerryCummingsDo on Jul 10, 2007 4:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Well...

Given that Jackson, Ellis, and Belinelli can all handle in spurts, I think we'll have a better time with Baron's minutes this year. Belinelli is a guy who I'm personally comfortable with as a ballhandler, and in just two summer league games, he's already flashed some flat out great passing. Richardson was the kiss of death bringing the ball up the court. Assuming the team around Baron actually stays healthy, I think his minutes will stay low.

by Zack Vank on Jul 10, 2007 6:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I don't see

why it matters who runs the offense because it's not like we really run that many set plays. It's usually a penetrate, kick out, and swing around the arc for a 3. Baron does it so well because he can finish and can dish really well. Monta is almost there, he just needs to know when to try and finish and when to dish. Right now he just always tries to finish because he's young and wants to be on Sportscenter. I still think Monta will be coming off the bench and bringing the ball up the court though to sub for Baron. Buike will start since Belinelli is a rookie and Monta will be our Barbosa to change the pace of the game. As much as I love what I'm seeing with Belinelli, I don't think Nelson will play him much if he goes on a cold streak.

by Mdawg851 on Jul 10, 2007 11:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Spot on BlueNGold

BD and Monta start dahh! We have Buike and Belinelli to replace either of them. BD is the man. He can bring it up and run a half court offense. Monta is being groomed to do the same although in the playoffs he wasn't so great at it-maybe because Nelli would put him in for 2 minutes to a. give BD a breather but b. see what/how Monta could run the Offense. Well, you can't do much in 2 minutes off the bench during the playoffs, but Monta WILL be our "2nd" point gaurd becuase Cabbages is out like Ryan Seacrest and Nelli, Mullin and BD have all said Monta will see a good amount of PG. With the talent we are seeing in Las Vegas, we have 4 solid players that can split duties of "running" our Offense. Others have said it here and they are right, we don't need that prototypical PG because our offense is so dynamic in nature. In Nelli's system even the likes of a 6'9" or even 7'er can at the least get the ball past the half court line and from there, anyone can help move the ball around, you dont necessarily need a "PG". We are fine with BD, Monta, Buike and Belinelli, in fact, we are better than fine, it looks damn nice IMO!

by gabezgsw on Jul 10, 2007 11:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

no I agree with you

that we dont need a true point guard necessarily because of the way our offense is set up. BUT, at the same time, when the opponent scores, it forces us to take the ball up the court, and it forces the "PG" to make a pass into a motioned offense. I think this is the most critical juncture. I want the "pg" to be able to escape double teams with solid ball handeling, and be able to find open teammates, and drive. Thats what really matters the most to me.

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by BlueNgoldBlood on Jul 10, 2007 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

How bout this...

"but the famously hyperbolic Nelson has already seen enough, after two July outings, to declare that Belinelli has the ability to compete for spot minutes at point guard. Challenging Monta Ellis for the starting 2-guard berth left vacant by the deal that sent Jason Richardson to Charlotte is another possibility."

Check the diary "Nellie loves his Bellie"

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by BlueNgoldBlood on Jul 10, 2007 2:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

This might be retarded, but....

what about sebastian telfair...I know he can't shoot, and might have been in on the fabolous shooting, but he doesn't need to shoot....we need a pg who can handle (check), penetrate and dish (check), and man-up on someone (sort of)....he rarely makes good desicions, which fits in with our guys....i feel like nelson could maybe get the best out of him....we could get him for peanuts, what do you think about bassy?
ps-he would also probably get us about four more SLAM covers
peace, dan

by BeLEGENDelliAllDay on Jul 10, 2007 2:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

that is retarded

enough said about that.

What is this talk about Belinelli running the point? From what he's shown so far, he's a lot more useful at the shooting guard position b/c he can spread out the defense. Anyone can dribble penetrate and kick out to him for the splash.

Chances are that Pierre Pierce will make the team and then be the backup... and unless Ellis works on his ball handling and passing skills, he has no chance to run the point even half as effectively as baron does. When Ellis has to bring the ball up the court he just wants to get rid of it as fast as possible so he can get it back and drive to the basket so he can run over someone for an offensive foul.

The warriors don't have a half court set of any kind, so it doesn't really matter who's in the PG position, until the very end of the game when they call Baron's number every time and all the other players stand around and hope that he saves their butts. I'd really like to see Ellis play as a backup point, but he has yet to prove that he's willing or able to work at being the point. The games when Baron was out or the had to sit Baron for extended periods of time leaving Ellis at point, I was dissapointed to say the least. I'm rooting for Ellis to work on his PG skill set during the off season but odds are against the ideal situation.

by david240z on Jul 10, 2007 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was simply saying

that Belinelli has better point guard skills than Ellis, and I would rather see him play spot point, rather than Monta. Thats all I said. Nelson agree's with me on that.

This is my team There are many like it But this one is mine. My team, without me is useless. Without my team, I am useless

by BlueNgoldBlood on Jul 10, 2007 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well if Nelson agrees with you enough said

b/c nelson knows all... sigh what a crock. Belinelli is just overall more fundamentally sound than Ellis. Given their levels of experience and more than likely the years they have both played, I am not surprised by this.

Ellis is typical of a lot of the young players these days that come into the NBA. They rely on their athletic ability to get them where they are, rather than solid skills or fundamentals. For example, Ellis uses his speed and quickness... so if someone can slow him down he's pretty much ineffective. And has Oden has showed, he relied on his size and strength to get him to where he is today, but when put on a different stage, he doesn't look remotely as dominant as he was before, even in summer league.

Belinelli can probably run the point, but only if Ellis is too much of a puss to work on his game over the break. I still feel that Belinelli is better off on being the receiver on the drive and dish play. I'd rather have him catch the ball on the perimeter than Ellis who can't hit a 3 even if his life depended on it.

by david240z on Jul 11, 2007 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, I agree

Belinelli is more fundamentally sound, from playing professional ball since he was 16, instead of playing in HS like Ellis.

I believe that Belinelli would commit less turnovers bringing the ball up than Ellis would. That is why I'd rather see him bring it up the court.

Now, remember that just because Bellinelli brings the ball up the court, doesnt mean he cant get it back on the same play off a screen and hit a jumper. I wasnt saying I dont like him off the ball as well.

Ellis, I think has a very nice form on his outside shot. A very soft touch. He will in time develop, like most young players do into a good shooter. Nobody can stop him from going to the rack one on one. When you find somebody who can, let me know. That skill, combined with a consistent jumpshot, can make him an unstoppable force offensively for years to come. Wouldnt you agree?

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by BlueNgoldBlood on Jul 11, 2007 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Help me Nellie!

"I didn't know he was close to a record, but he has pretty good size for a two guard. He's 6'5" barefoot, 6'6" with shoes on and he can make plays, as well, it's not just his outside shooting. To stop that guy you have to set your defense for him and that opens things up for other players, so we're really excited about him." - Don Nelson on Marco Belinelli

This is my team There are many like it But this one is mine. My team, without me is useless. Without my team, I am useless

by BlueNgoldBlood on Jul 11, 2007 9:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs