Pierre Pierce spotlight on Truehoop

by dj fuzzylogic on Jul 10, 2007 1:06 PM PDT in News

Today's edition of Truehoop contextualizes a little more the life of Warrior and NBA hopeful, Pierre Pierce. In this article, "Player with a Past: Pierre Pierce," Truehoop attempts to give voice to this player who's past continues to shadow if not precede his game. There is also much detail about his current situation that making his potential employee status in the NBA pretty tricky.

It has been mentioned several times in a few diaries that Pierre Pierce is a rapist or a sexual abuser and according to the law (the ruling in the court), he is. There has been a discussion on GSoM about Pierce's skills, started by BeLEGENDelliAllDay. On probation until 2010, Pierce doesn't make any excuses for his behavior, but merely wants people to believe that he is a changed man given the rehabilitation process that he is still going through on a day to day basis, on his own, to prove he will not commit these same crimes in the future:

Just being home, the last six weeks, it has been good. It has been really good for me. The loss of freedom & It definitely humbled me. Made me wiser as a person. I made mistakes, and being locked up makes you really look forward to getting an opportunity to show you learned.

I read a lot of books. I also worked, on the recreation staff. I set up softball games, refereed basketball games. I even gained some respect for referees. That's a difficult job.

I have learned from my mistakes, definitely. I understand about taking responsibility for my actions. And personally, where I am right now, I never want to go back to that place again. Hopefully people can forgive me for those mistakes, and see me as the person I am, on and off the court.

It must be difficult job for Mullin to evaluate a potential talent like Pierce, where the stigma makes he seem like a constant threat to society. But history aside, can Pierce ball at the next level?

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He is suppossed to be the real deal

It seems as if Pierce can play at this level. The Truehoop story says the ONLY thing holding him back is the jail time/probation situation.

by manutefor3 on Jul 10, 2007 1:43 PM PDT reply actions

i've said it before....

i think he can ball...add much needed depth in the backcourt, rugged defender, solid (physically), humble, just wants to play in the league (ie cheap), supposedly a hard worker...mully's the boss, but i'd love to see him compete for a spot...peace, dan

by BeLEGENDelliAllDay on Jul 10, 2007 2:15 PM PDT reply actions

I can see him being

what Matt Barnes was to us last year. Everyone deserves a second chance, especially after youve had plenty of time in the pen to think about it. If he slips up and shames himself again, its really on him and no one else. Its not like the Warriors are going to lose more games if he suddenly decides to do the wrong thing.

This is my team There are many like it But this one is mine. My team, without me is useless. Without my team, I am useless

by BlueNgoldBlood on Jul 10, 2007 2:44 PM PDT reply actions

Not worth the risk

I said it on another thread but I don't think we need this guy on our team. Maybe in the past when we were starting guys like Sam Mack, but now that we're actually a decent team I don't think we need to take a risk on someone like this especially when the best case scenario for him is he rides our bench all year backing up Azubuike.

by SpreeForThree on Jul 10, 2007 2:46 PM PDT reply actions

Phoenix rising?

New to this community, so I haven't researched threads to see how many of you are wimpy mommas boys still with your allowances and daddies credit cards... or are not season tickets holders but couch wanna bees and stone throwers?? Fact, Pierre played sick bball in Illinois High School (Best HS bball in the nation) and at Iowa. (Alford coach and Nellie's AM). He was slated as an early entry into the NBA draft. The boy could play...the man looks to be the same.

Back up Buke? Kidding me? Pierre is second off the bench behind Davis if he can keep his head about him. All indications (probation - constant monitoring)...just like Jackson...is that, he will -> HE HAS TO BE STRAIGHT. Jackson and Davis will beat the living out of him if he thinks left or right of center. He has done his penitence and paid his dues...now watch him play.

I'm not worried about Pierre in the NBA, his transgression and reputation was committed outside the league. It's the coach chokers, fan beaters and wining players that want to be traded that gives the NBA felony convictions.

Btw...Pierre was TOLD to "play his game" in game one. TOLD to "distribute more" in game two. He leads the DUBS in assists (2 games) and is second in scoring (Consistent at 20 plus). Not bad. Nice place to start an NBA career.

by streetballer on Jul 10, 2007 3:46 PM PDT reply actions

better?

I dont know, I like Azubuike's game alot more than Pierce's...and theres no way he'd play over Ellis and Belinelli. He can play, but I think making the arguement that he's better than those players is a bit of an overstatment. Having said that, just so you know, Im a construction worker, and a season ticket holder before you go throwing all that at me.

This is my team There are many like it But this one is mine. My team, without me is useless. Without my team, I am useless

by BlueNgoldBlood on Jul 10, 2007 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions

nobody is saying

that Pierce sucks. Besides, what does having season tickets mean as far as knowing hoops? Prior to this upcoming season, GSoM never had season tickets but we'd like to tell oursselves that we know our hoops anyway (hehe).

there is really no need to take shots at people for not agreeing with you. this is safe haven for Warrior fans who've gone through generations of trauma. we're all fans of the same team anyway. check the guidelines if you are curious at what our stance is on posting. Anyway, glad to have you on board. Hope you're enjoying the site so far and look forward to more of your comments.

by dj fuzzylogic on Jul 10, 2007 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions

OH ok

"I'm not worried about Pierre in the NBA, his transgression and reputation was committed outside the league"

Makes its it all good

by Zig on Jul 10, 2007 4:03 PM PDT reply actions

Clean slate in the league

All I meant by that statement.

Unlike others that have chosen to transgress while in the league, Pierce will be gone and back in jail for the rest of his productive bball career if he steps out of line. Could be a success story? Do the Warriors want to be a part of that? Alternatively, could be another Chris Washburn?

by streetballer on Jul 10, 2007 5:26 PM PDT reply actions

Got it

BlueNgoldBlood.

Being new, I thought I had posted within the 22 post on the Pierre Pierce diary. Sorry..

I'm sure you will hear everyone say this IF he makes ANY team...but I have watched this guy build himself...make a mockery of himself and now he is asking for a shot...granted with the heavy hand of the law beside him. He has some "rusty moves" and limited vision due to lack of quality or lack thereof competition. Monte, he isn't, but Monte is poor at running the offense. This guy's raw talent is all that....His game. Did he lose that in jail? Will he make the team? Game time...

by streetballer on Jul 10, 2007 5:43 PM PDT reply actions

haha

Sh#t talking poster comes out insult-guns a'blazin...attacks peoples jobs, bball iq, ages, maturity...then has no idea how to spell monta ellis. Classic. Hey stud i think there's a spot on the espn talkbacks with your name on it.

ban?

by GameSix on Jul 10, 2007 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions

would any of you feel differently

if PP was trying out for a different team?
I understand team-first and everything ...

if the woman was your friend and you saw what this had done to her for her whole life?
I understand he's paid his debt to society. What, it wasn't even a couple years?

if the woman was your sister?
I understand there is a reason to separate "justice" from revenge but if it'd been my sister, or daughter, I might be on trial for murder

Haven't we all made mistakes? Doesn't he deserve a second chance?
Mullin's history with alcohol makes him empathetic to people trying to recover, but PP has already had his "second chance," and then some.

If this guy was KG, I still wouldn't want him, at any price.

There's a line.

by hardcore on Jul 10, 2007 7:24 PM PDT reply actions

NO NO NO NO NO

Look him up, he's a sexual predator.

The forced confinement, and sexual battery is actually his SECOND sex crime. He forcibly sodomized a girl like two years previously.

I believe in second breaks, but HE HAD HIS already.

I feel bad for him and his family, but I'm more concerned for his victims.

I'm not sure he deserves to be a free man, let a lone in the NBA.

How am I supposed to root for this guy?

by Jeremy Belvins on Jul 10, 2007 7:34 PM PDT reply actions

conviction

Means he was found guilty by a court. If all you have is a quick look at his record, you don't really know the circumstances of his crimes.

What if there was a close call whether he did it or not and got shafted by a jury?

So simply calling him by what you read about him is a generalization. There are people with records that aren't as evil as you might think (of course some are that bad, others are worse, but the point stands).

This isn't to underscore the significant of the charges, but there's sometimes more than what we can see from what the newspaper says.

by OptionZero @ Golden State Of Mind on Jul 10, 2007 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions

i agree that there is

sometimes (usually)more than what we can make out from reading an article, the fact that he plea bargained, and pled guilty both times makes me think this may not be the case this time. but aside from his past, and the fact that he seems to be a point guard that doesnt like to pass the last straw for me is he is wearing #4 sorry man but that is the last straw, 3 strikes your out.

by azw on Jul 10, 2007 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions

yes

I am in in law school, been to court alot this summer and talked to lots of people (other lawyers, clients, judges, parole officers, probation, cops, etc)

you'd be surprised how many people wind up with something on their record without realizing what they admitted to, usually they're faced with "sign this and you can go" or some crap

tip: don't sign anything without reading and asking what it says, lol

by OptionZero @ Golden State Of Mind on Jul 10, 2007 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions

read before you sign?

I thought that was what the lawyers get paid for?
but that is a good point, though if that was the case here i would hope he would've learned that lesson after the first time

by azw on Jul 10, 2007 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions

some lawyers suck

and don't bother explaining what paper you're signing before shoving it in your face

on the flip side, some clients are either so stupid or drunk or high or emotional they don't listen to anyone, even the attorney working for them

a good lawyer will lay out the future ramifications of whatever action YOU CHOOSE do to (besides giving suggestions), but it aint a perfect world.

Time constraints mean u dont get to do everything u should/could do.

i'm working with kids, and alot of times what you see is kids don't care that they did something wrong or dont think about the future impact of their decisions, so they'll say or do something stupid (like mouth off to a cop, or talk shit to friends which ends up biting them in the ass in court) and wind up in a worse situation than they otherwise would have been

let's say pierre pierce got into an argument (not fight) with his his girlfriend

neighbors hear yelling, call cops

cops arrest pierce cuz girl is emotional and pissed, throwing accusations

cops charge him with domestic assault (for example), even though pierce didn't touch that chick

he COULD choose to fight the charges all the way, going to trial, digging up witnesses and evidence and such, all that jazz (takes years sometimes to sort stuff out)

the government could say hey man, we dont really wanna go thru all that crap, u dont either...just admit u threatened her (but didn't hit her), which is something between doing nothing and actually physically hurting someone, and we'll call it a day

so pierre pierce has been in jail all this time waiting (cuz he coudln't afford bail and doesn't wanna fight this drama) says...sure ok wutever, and winds up admitting he threatened his girlfriend, just to end this stuff

on the record all you or I would see is "pierre pierce guilty of threatening his GF"

thus, he is FUBAR'd and now has a rap sheet

so its not hard to imagine someone getting screwed like that

i'm not saying thats how it went down in his case in reality, just painting a picture for everyone so they don't rush to judge someone they never met

by OptionZero @ Golden State Of Mind on Jul 10, 2007 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions

good to know

thanks for the heads up zero.

That's whats up with it!

by nightballa2412 on Jul 10, 2007 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions

I may have seemed shrill, but

from all indications the guy's a repeat sexual offender.
And, you know, you don't have to take my word for it. You can just as easily google his name and come up with SEVERAL ARTICLES from credible sources. The question is whether we should look past his crimes or not.

I'm no Nancy Grace, but if he did the things that two separate women have charged him with doing, and he has confessed to doing, then I can't see how I can root for the guy.

by Jeremy Belvins on Jul 10, 2007 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions

y'r not shrill

you are basing your opinion on the best information available to you, not conjecture or pure speculation or rationalization

by hardcore on Jul 10, 2007 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions

true

if the question is "Does he deserve a chance" rather than "did he do it"...then its a moral question and no one can answer that buy oneself

by OptionZero @ Golden State Of Mind on Jul 10, 2007 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions

Second Chances...

It's a tough call for Mullin... one I would never want to make.

I can't change anyone's opinion, it's nobody's place to try to do that when it comes to issues like this. It's just too complicated.

But I believe everybody deserves a second chance.
He did his time and paid his debt.

Many of us know or knew someone who made a big mistake and spent the rest of their lives trying to make it right.

I knew a person who stabbed his wife thirty times. I never got the details on how it came to that, he seemed like a nice guy (she lived miraculously)... but in the ten years in prison he found religion.

He wrote apology letters every week and gave all of the money he earned in prison to her. He never missed child support payments either. Though they never spoke.

He died after a heart attack a few years after getting out... before they tried the operation to save him, he made a phone call to her to apoligize one last time... he probably would have had a much better chance of surviving had not taken the time to have that conversation on the phone.

Brutal crimes do destroy lives... but for those who find ways to make it right there should always be second chances.

Maybe if he gets a contract with the team... he could give some of the money to the family.

The Owness is on Pierce to make it right with himself and the family.

That's whats up with it!

by nightballa2412 on Jul 10, 2007 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions