News: Nelson & Warriors Working on a Deal

One more year!
Geoff Lepper at the Contra Costa Times is reporting that the Warriors and Don Nelson are discussing a new contract for him. This is extremely good news. As Summer begins to turn into Fall, I get more anxious about the return of Nellie. He was supposed to have decided if he'd come back in early July, then he was supposed to have decided in late July. It's now August 1st, and he's still not guaranteed to come back. So what the heck is the hold up? Money, of course.
Nellie's in an interesting negotiating position. He knows the team needs him or else it will be a big blow to the team confidence. That would be 3 coaches in 3 years. In my eyes, he doesn't need the Warriors as much as the Warriors need him. I'm sure he wouldn't be hurt if he had nowhere to coach for the rest of his life and had to sit on the beaches of Maui and sip pina coladas all day long. The only problem with that is, it looks like he's got a strong desire to coach and remain in basketball and right now the Warriors are his best opportunity. It's somewhat of a cat and mouse game, but if Cohan knows what's best for the team, he'll bring back Nellie at the increased salary.
What does Baron have to say about the situation?
If Nelson were not to return, it would be a major upheaval for the team, Davis said. "We're going to have to reconfigure everything."
If Nellie didn't come back this year, and the Warriors have to "reconfigure everything" that could be disastrous. Nellie was arguably the most important piece of last year's playoff team. Without him at the helm, we'd still be in a playoff drought. Where would we go from there? Who would coach?
To steal an idea from Tony.psd, What If Nellie Didn't Return? (cue ominous music)
1)They could go hire Jeff Van Gundy. No no that was a joke. You can't go from top 5 highest scoring team to bottom 5 highest scoring team. I don't think the JVG players are here. Also, we just missed out on PJ Carlesimo. Shoot. Hmmm. Yea not too many options unless of course somebody was promoted from within. OR bring back Super Mario, the coach who was waiting in the wings.
2) In addition to resolving the coaching situation, you might have a player problem on your hands too. I can't see Baron and Jax being too excited about a Nellie-less squad. They could literally implode.
3) And what would happen to Mullin? From the outside looking in, it seems as if Nellie is pulling the strings and Mullin is his apprentice. Nelson would be leaving the apprentice before he mastered the skills. Heck, if Nellie left, Mullin just might offer Pietrus 5 years at 45 million and then re-up Adonal for another 5 years.
Okay, enough with the What if talk, the Warriors have already missed out on KG, we can't miss out on resigning Nellie. He is returning right? Please. Mullin, Cohan and co. make it happen.
What if Nelson leaves? Any predictions for what might happen?
Also check out mike d's diary, Question for the Crew: Will Nellie Return?
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Its about time...
I'll personally be handing out 9mm Israeli Uzi's out of the trunk of my car if it doesnt.
by BlueNgoldBlood on Aug 1, 2007 12:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Notice the timing of this news release -
by streetballer on Aug 1, 2007 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keith Smart
Why?
- Nelson hyped him himself. Yeah, he's the BS-king, but this wasn't a player, this was a coach. Pretty sure he was being serious this time (right?)
- He's been ran part of the show last season. From what I remember, the assistant coaches (Smart and Silas, sounds like an accounting firm) ran all the practice and pregame drills, and likely some of the draft workouts as well. Nelson and Mullin sat in the bleachers. That tells me Nelson trusts Smart to get in the trenches and hammer out details, and it tells me Smart has been working with Baron and the W's on the lowest level (literally, on the floor, on the court).
- Listen to him. In every interview, KNBR or FSN or other, he comes across as smooth and articulate. The guy sounds like he knows what he's doing, he's able to explain whats going on to Barnett/Roy, he doesn't stutter, he's just plain...professional. Certainly that says nothing of his basketball accumen, and he'll never be the "character" that Nelson is, but Smart is definitely a people person (which Musselman purportedly was not...)
- He ran the summer squad. When Azubuike and Belinelli and Pierce were all healthy and playing, the W's were UNSTOPPABLE. Watch the early games (i throw out the last one, when Belinelli left and Azubuike was still out), and you'll see the players up and down the summer roster running WARRIORS BASKETBALL. It was nellie ball, pushing the tempo, aggressively scrambling on defense, throwing the outlet, looking up the court on every possession. Perhaps it was because our style is so distinctive, but even the NBA commentators could say, wow, these are the Warriors playing Warrior basketball, even the summer league guys.
You guys are probably sick of hearing this, but the future can very well be bright even after Nelson.
Questions? Complaints?
(AIM: JetForze; email: Jon.d.ma@gmail.com)
by OptionZero on Aug 1, 2007 12:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
your right.
These qualities should allow him to get through to players, and it seems as if Nelson is in fact grooming him the way Avery did. Good points.
by BlueNgoldBlood on Aug 1, 2007 1:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't he sing, "Make It Last Forever?"
that was Keith Sweat.
by Anomaly on Aug 1, 2007 1:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
har dee har har
by BlueNgoldBlood on Aug 1, 2007 1:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Think there's more to an NBA head coach
Remains to be seen if Smart exhibits the leadership to achieve that goal.
by eshock on Aug 1, 2007 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NELLIE. . . . .
- Mullins have said time and again that he will not trade JRich. Nellie thinks JRich is expendable as he keep on saying that he will not pay that much for a player who cannot execute a defensive rotation to his satisfaction.
- Wright vs Noah. If an athletic big who can rebound well, then Noah is what we need, why Wright? Uhmm. . . Noah was picked at 9. Nellie is known of seeing raw talents in a player. So even if the something "big" will not materialized, we will not be short-changed.
- PG vs SG -We all know that we need a PG. Crittenton, Brooks are still on the block and both have good scouting report and pre draft showing in Orlando. Nelson have a fettish on European talents. Most of the GSoM community don't know Marco until he was drafted and shown his mettle at the LVSL. I for one cannot wait for the season to begin to see the sweet shooting guard to release his bombs at the Oracle.
- Lasme vs McGuire
- KG - I am sure this will be a subject for discussion, but my reading is, without the restraining hands of Nellie, Mullie will go all out in emptying our cupboard for KG. Basing on Mullie's actions pre Nellie, it will be "Damn the topedoes, full steam ahead."
- GM vacancy - Perhaps the money earmarked for GM will be given to Nellie, after all he is running the show behind the scene and Mullins as the mouthpiece and doing the "dirty works".
- The absence of uproar and concern espcially from Mullie and BD are all pointing that Nellie is at the bench.
by muritqua on Aug 1, 2007 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I too think
I agree that Nelson's influence helped Mullin let go of J-Rich. But I also think that Nelson influenced Mullin to go for Garnett or other moves that would improve the team now. Nellie has a window of time that he will be around. I believe that Mullin wants to get the team to be competitive as possible during that time. J-Rich wasn't Nellie's favorite player, but also Mullin was using him as a cog to get Garnett or another superior player.
by San Francisco Slim on Aug 1, 2007 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a question
by Psion on Aug 1, 2007 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
People, hes coming back...
1. Nelson came to this team with the glimpse of the playoffs far off in the distance...so what, a year later he's going to walk because he doesnt have a shot at a championship anymore? I keep hearing that since the KG deal didnt go down, its a good reason for Nelson to retire.
Why would he sign a 3 year deal almost a year ago to coach a team that had nothing to show for itself...only to just quit because we didnt immediately transform ourselves into champ contenders in the off-season all for his benefit? Why does this seem to make sense to so many people but me???
2. It is about the money. Remember when the Warriors signed our rooks and the media questioned Nelson's employer about the current status regarding his contract? The man replied,
'none of your business." The writer also included that it was a bit snappy and rude. We ALL know how touchy rich men get over their money and their politics...
It seems to me that Nelson has clearly stated a desired number, and he is not backing down from it. Im speculating that theyre just trying to wait him out, and hopefully fish out a deal for less money.
3. Nelson had the best season of his career last year, so he says. Why would he not want to come back for more? Do you hop off the roller coaster ride half-way through??
What kind of incomplete non-romantic, Fu**ed up legacy would Nelson leave behind, if he were just to leave and never show his face again in the NBA? He would be riding off into the sun-rise instead of the sun-set...I dont see Nelson as a guy that just backs down and stays down. Leaving now would leave an empty void within.
- As mentioned before, Nelson loves to prove people wrong. He would take it upon himself as something personal to challenge critics and bring this team back to the playoffs, even deeper this time.
- The man simply loves to coach too much. He loves the game too much. This is good for him, good for his health and his family. What? hes going to go back to the beach and sip scotch under the sun all day now?
6. The Chris Webber thing may have some kind of sub-concious effect on Nelon's decision to come back in the first place. I think he still feel's bad about the situation and feels he might have a score to settle, or that he owes it to the fans and the chise...who the hell knows.
Sorry, I reposted this. I want to stir some conversation.
by BlueNgoldBlood on Aug 1, 2007 4:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ya, it'll probably get done, but just for fun
1.
- a. what's left after last season's near miraculous playoff run unless reach WCF? everything else is a come down after that run if there isn't a chance to keep moving up, he could ride off into the sunset as the "savior" and we'd all blame Mullin, er I would, most here would blame Cohan
-b. it's not KG per se, it's upgrading the roster significantly (at least that's what I've been saying)
2.
- where do you get your inside info? what makes you think he's clearly stated a number and is stubbornly holding to it?
3.
- see #1. that ride's over & never to be repeated since he's not gonna be around to break our next dozenyeardrought
4.
- see #1
5.
- you're right. AND he's gotta realize there aren't many other opportunities going to pop open for him to un-re-retire again
6.
-even with a psych degree, i stay away analyzing Nellie!
by hardcore on Aug 1, 2007 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont have any inside info...
by BlueNgoldBlood on Aug 1, 2007 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a lock...
by gabezgsw on Aug 1, 2007 8:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
tight this
by djchuckdeez on Aug 1, 2007 10:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
On Keith Smart...
I worked for the Warriors for a couple years, and I can remember the day of my interview...
I walked into Warriors HQ with my pin stripes on, and I could hear the Warriors practicing through the gym doors. I was still a little nervous and uncertain about the job. I sat in the office and waited for my appointment while I watched everyone moving around and going about their business...
I sat there fidgeting wondering if I would get the job, when all the sudden, out of NOWHERE Keith Smart's standing above me with his hand out and he say's "Hey young man, how you doin?"
He looked at me and was like, "do you have an interview? you look a little nervous... I said I did. He patted me on the back and said, "Dont sweat it, youll get the job no problem." He shook my hand again and asked me my name, then he wished me good luck and told me he'd be seeing me around next season... then he went down the hallway whistling.
The guy's got great energy and a way with people. Im excited to have him as a future coaching prospect. A class act.
by BlueNgoldBlood on Aug 1, 2007 12:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Just to throw it out there
They're seen a lot together. Mullin has picked Nellie's brain for the last year. Mullin has played several years under Nellie and has played in his helter-skelter system. (Nellie was the one who convinced Mullin to stay sober and concentrate on b-ball several eons ago).
So Mullin knows the in-outs of Nellie's system. Keith Smart can still be the second banana.
by jerryEast44 on Aug 1, 2007 1:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone remember when Nellie officially
Remember that Avery was more of a Popovich disciple, and Cuban, I think, was growing impatient waiting for Nellie-ball to pay dividends, thinking that a more grinding, defense-oriented squad would be more likely to win a championship. Nelson, tired of Cuban's constant badgering, finally gave in, and probably said something along the lines of "Alright, smartass, have it your way--if you think you can run a basketball team better than I can, then go for it. It's all yours--I'm outta here," etc., etc.
Funny thing is, they were BOTH right. Dallas' shift to a more San Antonio-style approach brought them closer to a ring than Nelson had ever got them. However, Nelson DOES know best, as evidenced by his methodical dismantling of the top seed in the first round of the playoffs. That series was a lot of things, but one thing it was NOT is an upset: Dallas was outplayed at EVERY position in EVERY game, and Avery's coaching could charitably be likened to that of a "one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest"...
Litigation issues aside, I think the relationship between ownership and coach is far more harmonious than it was back in Dallas. If Nelson steps down, it will be because he is truly done with coaching, and nothing else. But from what I've seen so far, he's still got that itch. As for a replacement, I think Super Mario is the man. He's the guy I was sure would replace Montgomery (until Mullin dropped the bombshell that Nelson was coming back)...
by WhatWouldTerryCummingsDo on Aug 1, 2007 3:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yay
Sorry - still bitter at the very real notion that we will be mediocre for years to come w/o KG. He was there. In our laps. Oh, but I'm supposed to be happy we signed Don Nelson? The honeymoon is over from last year. I'm ready for the next step. Don Nelson, for all of his jungle-style bball, has not taken a team to that level. And he's had better.
Again. Still bitter. Very, very bitter.
by GameSix on Aug 1, 2007 7:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
look...
Nelson, built a roster that had
Hardaway(hurt when Webber was there)
Sprewell
Mullin
Webber
A. Johnson
He could have easily won a championship if he could have kept those guys together. You could also argue that if he would have stayed in Dallas and kept Nash and Nowitzki together, and continued to build around them, then he could have won some more.
I think the fact that he is ringless is a fluke, and means nothing...
What do you have to be bitter about? Building a team doesnt happen overnight. As long as there is a continued progression year in, year out, you should always be happy with that.
by BlueNgoldBlood on Aug 1, 2007 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Nelson is getting paid for what he did with this team, not what he's going to do. Be realistic. What chance does this team have of winning it all in the next five years? Go back and read the many posts regarding superstar power in the NBA and how it is impossible to win without it. As currently composed, this team has no superstar on it. Baron Davis can be that guy, when he's healthy and being coddled. But even he can only do so much when he's passing it off to the likes of Pietrus.
Add to that the trading of Jrich, and as great as the We Believe run thru the playoffs was fun, it's going to have to last us a long while. Maybe Wright is the illegitimate child of Jordan? Shawn Kemp more likely. Eh I'd definitely take Kemp in his early career. What were we talking about again?
by GameSix on Aug 1, 2007 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHAT?
Chris webber.
Tim Hardaway.
Mullin.
Sprewell.
These are all players that have made multiple all-star teams, and olympic teams.
Above average capable guys? Is it a joke? Even if you did argue that their not superstars, they would still all be considered franchise players. Their skills all complement eachother's perfectly.
How can you realistically say that if that team stayed together for 5-6 years, they wouldnt have won a championship?
That was my argument, not what Nelson deserves now, or if we're in contention now. But by the way, until we see what Wright can really do, theres no way of knowing how close we are to a title. If he turns out to be a Chris Bosh type of impact player, then I believe we can win it within the next 3 years.
WOW...Im still amazed that you called Webber, Mullin, Hardaway, and Sprewell "above average" players while they were in their prime. Hahahahahahaha dog...you made my night with that.
You really have nothing to be bitter about at all. We just broke that "loser" mold, and our mind's as fans have already changed dramatically, so it seems....
Sure, we Warrior fans have had it rough. Especially young fans like myself. I started rooting for the Warriors as a young kid during the Run TMC era. The majority of time Ive spent as a fan has been watching a team that absolutely sucked for over a decade. Yet I taped every single game, and watched them over and over again in the off-season. I never looked to another team, and always supported my home town.
If your a die hard fan, then you should be excited about this leap in the right direction.
by BlueNgoldBlood on Aug 1, 2007 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
First of all
Don't worry, this won't take long. Hilarious and unsupported statements like "numerous rings" and "if he turns out to be chris bosh then we'll win it in three years." Dude, come on, you're assuming WAY too many things.
Just because you wish something really hard does not make it true. Let's say those five really were superstars (though Mullin is the only hall of famer, webber is petulant child, sprewell choked his coach, and hardaway is a small minded homophobe...yeah that team really would've matured into the pistons).
Take a look at this website. Try not to laugh when you realize it's 1993, the year webber cane in. Notice something similar in the first few lines? WARRIORS NEED A CENTER. It's so funny that it's sad. Chris Webber + five years was never going to be an elite big. Neither was Chris Gatling. No matter how hard you wish it.
To your point: "Above average capable guys? Is it a joke? Even if you did argue that their not superstars, they would still all be considered franchise players. Their skills all complement eachother's perfectly.
How can you realistically say that if that team stayed together for 5-6 years, they wouldnt have won a championship?"
Again. Please refer to that link. How would they not win a championship. Hmm. Alright this is taking a little longer than I thought, but to truly school you.
1994 Houston Rockets
1995 Houston Rockets
1996 Chicago Bulls
1997 Chicago Bulls
1998 Chicago Bulls
Don't make a fool of yourself, dog. Name all of their rosters. Can you? You should be able to. You were probly young during this time. Look them up. Let me save you some time. They were teams anchored by two of the greatest SUPERSTARS the Association has ever seen: the Dream and MJ. Again, just because you wish it, doesn't make it true.
Back to main point. "meh" to don nelson. Like I said: the honeymoon is over. I appreciate what he did to give us diehards the best two-three months in the last 10 years of being a warriors fan. He got his million dollar bonus for making the playoffs and god knows what other incentives. Wonderful. Go read his wikipedia page. It's all a bunch of fluff about how is uptempo teams win games during the regular season but don't win jack shit in the playoffs. It's a fact. It doesn't work. Only His Airness could will a team w/o a premiere big to the title (which is why, for my money, he's the greatest player ever).
In any case: they're superstars? Wrong. They would've won a title if they could've stayed together? Even when I take on all of your ridiculous assumptions that don't take into account money, personalities, competition...you're still wrong.
What was I talking about originally? Ah yes. Don Nelson signs w/the warriors. Great. Oh and I see austin croshere's on board as well? Man I think we're approaching the '93 warriors in talent now! /sarcasm
by GameSix on Aug 3, 2007 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
your still wrong
Nevermind that Sprewell choked his coach, or Webber is a crybaby, or Hardaway hates gays...It doesnt matter. Not even a little...
The fact of the matter is, is that we had one of the best shooters to ever play the game in Chris Mullin,
A point gaurd who changed the game of basketball forever in Tim Hardaway, and who holds the record for threes I believe in Miami,
A franchise player in Chris Webber, who led the Kings and Bullets for over a decade,
And Sprewell, who was averaged over 22 points his entire career, and was a great defender to boot...
A center? Ok, but all they really needed was to pick up someone who could rebound the ball and maybe protect the basket a little bit.
That club would have been one of the most exciting teams in the history of basketball. The ball-movement would have been amazing.
That team could have competed with the Drexler's and the Olajuwon's... Or even the MJ's and the Pippen's...
Your an idiot for making Don Nelson sound like he doesnt matter to this franchise at all. Im sure EVERY SINGLE ONE of the players on the team would laugh at you and put a sneaker up your ass on the way out of the lockerroom.
Would you rather us phone up Brian Winters from the WNBA, or get on the tele with Montgomerey and tell him how sorry we are?? Would that appeal to you? Unbelievable.
What your saying is not so different than saying that the Bulls wouldnt have won a championship in 96 IF Jordan were injured...
Its the same thing, If, maybe... But however, highly likely.
Its a shame, that I am clearly younger than you, and after years of watching the game, you still have lesser of understanding than I do. We had a legitimate shot at being a dominate team for years, and a title contender at that.
by BlueNgoldBlood on Aug 4, 2007 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
one more thing
by GameSix on Aug 1, 2007 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also...
But I guess since Nelson means nothing to you, you'd take that with a grain of salt as well huh?
by BlueNgoldBlood on Aug 1, 2007 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's ridiculous
First of all, there's plenty of time for Mully and Nellie to do something, however small, that will make us a better team than last year.
Second of all, Don Nelson was probably the most important part of our playoff team last year. I would be really bitter like you are now if our team next year had one man named Garnett and no one named Nelson.
Golden State of Mind- We iBelieve
by goGSW24 on Aug 1, 2007 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
- I'm not ruling out them pulling another fast one on another stupid team like the Pacers. As of right now, there is NOTHING to be excited for in the near future.
- Yeah, I know, nelly was huge. Look up in my original post where I said the "honeymoon is over." I acknowledge he was huge. But that's over with. I'm not going to count on an upset of the first seed ever happening again.
by GameSix on Aug 3, 2007 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know the Warriors are better with Garnett
Golden State of Mind- We iBelieve
by goGSW24 on Aug 4, 2007 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant they would be better if they had KG
Sort of a typo.
Golden State of Mind- We iBelieve
by goGSW24 on Aug 4, 2007 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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