REPORT: Guard Hudson agrees to contract

by TheCity415 on Sep 24, 2007 3:13 PM PDT Comment 44 comments

The Warriors moved quickly: http://www.mercurynews.com/sportsheadlines/ci_6969316?nclick_check=1

Troy Hudson signs with Golden State on a one-year contract.

The Warriors didn't get Kevin Garnett from the Minnesota Timberwolves, but they're benefiting indirectly from the deal that sent him to Boston.

Two people with knowledge of the negotiations confirmed Friday that the Warriors have agreed in principle with veteran point guard Troy Hudson on a one-year contract.

Hudson became a free agent in August after the Timberwolves - their roster bloated by the five-for-one Garnett trade - agreed to buy out the last two years of his contract at a cost of approximately $10 million.

Hudson, 31, will receive $1.22 million this season, the minimum pay allowed for a player with 10 seasons of NBA experience. Per league rules meant to make veteran free agents more attractive, the Warriors will be reimbursed nearly $450,000.

This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!

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Not bad

Cheap
Shifty and quick enough for Nellieball
Experienced vet but, at 31, not old -- i.e., not Payton or Armstrong
Nice ast/to ratio -- better than 2:1 for his career
Fabulous FT shooter -- 85.7% career

Mediocre shooter (40.1% FG, 34% 3FG career) but that's not really what we're looking for in a backup PG. For a steady, stabilizing 8-12 minutes a game, seems like a solid signing. I'd still like to bring Pierre Pierce to training camp and give him a shot to win the job.

So ... does this mean we're good to go?

by Sleepy Freud on Sep 22, 2007 3:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

What's stabilizing

about a turnover prone, shoot first PG who can't play defense, with an assist rate not much better than Monta's? I mean he's a veteran, yes, but he couldn't play reguarly for one of the worst teams in the league. Also 31 is old for him, since he was a speed oriented guard who appears to have lost that speed, due to ankle injuries.

The good news is, as you say, he's cheap. I think I might start a diary of how the theme to the off-season for the Warriors is frugality. Mullin has morphed from the prodigal free-spending son into an accountant.

My hunch was correct was that the timing of Sarunas's buy-out had to do with the Warriors lining up another back-up PG. But Troy Hudson to PG signings is what Austin Croshere is to front court signings.

by San Francisco Slim on Sep 22, 2007 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not good to go yet...

2 more bad eggs (Pietrus and POB) need to go and there are some plans for each...IF the right deal comes along.

by streetballer on Sep 25, 2007 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

hey, man, what happened?

before the hudson signing, I was expectin' you to be like "T-Hud was downtown tonight" or "if you build it T-Hud will come" or something cryptic like that. That I way I could say I saw this comin'.

The best duo since...

by Tim N Chris Burger on Sep 25, 2007 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe he'll have better luck selling records....

...in the bay. Haha, ok cheap shot.

His 03 stats were pretty decent, but this is kind of surprising. Maybe they just signed him for the free throw help, or for backup in case Pierre gets hurt or disappoints. Or maybe they're thinkin' a Baron/Troy collaboration album.

by saintfloppy on Sep 22, 2007 3:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

On PP

Is Pierre Pierre already on the Big Boy 15-man roster?

by leee on Sep 25, 2007 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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by biedrinsismyhero on Sep 22, 2007 4:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Consider the price

You may not be happy with what the Warriors ended up getting as a primary backup point guard, but for the price they're paying, this is a very good deal. Hudson is a player that will certainly fit in Nellie's system and will be able to teach Monta a BUNCH of things.

Hudson is a better shooter but at one point played much like Monta as far as slashing goes. Monta is obviously much better at finishing around the basket, but if he can learn some more ballhandling from Hudson to make himself more of a combo guard, it could be a good internship of sorts for Monta. Right now, Monta really is a really more of a slashing SG in a PG's body than a "combo guard". I believe Hudson, who truly is a combo guard, can help Monta get himself to that level because Hudson found himself in a similar situation when he played for the Clippers around 1999/2000.

Coming out of college, Hudson was known as an undersized scorer after averaging more than 20 points per game in his two years at Southern Illinois, but when he was with the Clippers he started with Derek Anderson in the backcourt. This forced Hudson to learn the ropes of a true point guard as he scaled back his scoring (Anderson was the slasher/scorer in that backcourt). I'm not saying Troy Hudson became a Hall of Fame point guard, but he wasn't going to get time if he didn't shift from being a scoring PG to a combo guard who can do it all.

Monta wants to be a combo guard - he's told me that he sees himself as a guy that can really play both positions well, but unless he learns some of the tricks of the trade from Hudson, he'll never really be a guy that can be relied on at the 1. I see Hudson's situation being really similar to what Monta is going through right now as a guy who can score but needs to learn some of the other things. Maybe he can connect with Monta since he actually lived it.

Anyway, here's my more conventional take on the signing: http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_23401.shtml

by pree on Sep 22, 2007 5:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm not quite sure

how this signing can be called a "very good deal", when Hudson wouldn't have gotten more than the minimum anywhere else, and it's not even certain if any other team would have signed him at this point.

Hudson "is a better shooter" than who? Not Monta. Hudson shoots about 40%. He also hasn't had a PER above 12.5 in FIVE seasons. Last season he was at 10.5. He has a poor defensive rep. And he's physically damaged goods. He hasn't been healthy in many years.

The upside, as I see it, is that there is little monetary risk involved, Hudson might be able to make a physical comeback, in which case he should have the speed to play in Nelson's system, and he is a decent 3P FG shooter (about 37% over the last four seasons). But at the same time, he may contribute next to nothing.

by San Francisco Slim on Sep 23, 2007 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Who cares?

Who cares what Hudson could have gotten elsewhere or whatever? The Warriors aren't even on the hook for that entire salary because of the league's compensation in vet min deals, so the fact that it's as cheap as it is makes it a good deal.

When Hudson is hot, he's an incredible shooter. If you play the percentages, sure his stats don't show it. But the stats you're looking at aren't a representation of what he'll do with the Warriors.

Again, when you look at the options out there and the cost, there wasn't much else the Warriors could have done. Trades aren't easy, so a small deal to a guy that fits the system isn't a bad option at all. That monetary upside is a BIG deal when you consider what the Warriors are trying to do long-term.

Sure, he might contribute next to nothing, but paying someone ~$700K to do nothing is much better than paying someone $4-million to do the same nothing. Again, there wasn't much else out there and when healthy, Hudson can make things happen.

Plus, even the Spurs wanted him and that FO is the best in the business. He didn't sign with them because of playing time issues. I'd take that risk.

by pree on Sep 23, 2007 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cheap, in of itself

doesn't make a good deal. The relevant question is whether or not Hudson can still play. As Don Nelson said at the end of last season, he only had eight "players" on his team, and the Warriors have lost one of those (Richardson). Is Hudson a player? There's pretty good evidence that he isn't.

by San Francisco Slim on Sep 24, 2007 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hudson a better shooter than Monta?

Pree, I tend to agree with you on most things, but how can you say Hudson is a better shooter than Ellis?

If you would have said, "He's a better shooter RIGHT NOW," then maybe it could be argued. But at this point in Monta's career, how can you even make that call? Especially lining him up to a guy like Hudson, who shoots a similiar percentage.

In my opinion, Monta started off playing extremely well in the beginning of the season, and throughout the second half, his scoring and percentages fell as well as an increase in his turnovers.

Its unfair to judge Monta's shooting ability just yet. Id give him at least two more years, when his legs have grown stronger, and he learns just a bit about consistency.

Even then, I like Monta's jumper better. He squares up better, gets more elevation, MUCH more rotation, MUCH better release.

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by BlueNgoldBlood on Sep 24, 2007 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

But but but

"When Hudson's hot, he's incredible." Then again, so am I. And ... when I'm not, I'm not.

Your anecdotal Hudson/Monta comparison -- "[Monta] squares up better, gets more elevation, MUCH more rotation, MUCH better release" -- is totally backed up by the numbers. Monta shot 47.5% from the field last year -- damn impressive for a 21 yo 6'3" combo guard. Hudson's career best is 43.4%, and that was six years ago. In the past four years he's only cracked 39% once.

I'm sure some of Monta's edge comes from his vastly better skills as a finisher. Hudson does have better #s from the line and from 3 pt land. But a lot of being a good shooter is sensing when it's wise to shoot, in the same way a lot of being a good hitter in baseball is sensing when it's wise to swing. Monta, at age 21, is already a much better, more disciplined shooter than Hudson has ever been or will ever be.

I don't really see how with Hudson, at age 31, "the stats you're looking at aren't a representation of what he'll do with the Warriors," Until Pree backs that statement up with something substantial, I'm just going to assume he (Pree) was having his own "off shooting night"... :-(

by Sleepy Freud on Sep 24, 2007 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hudson vs Monta

To me those stats seem to back up the fact that Hudson is in fact a better pure shooter. First of all he can shoot the three which is still out of Monta's range (though I suspect he has been working on that all summer) and his FT% suggests a pretty reliable skillful shooter. I suspect his problem is his judgement and ability to get in the lane since his ankle problems have hurt his speed.

Monta on the other hand has shown, as you said, a sense of the moment knowing when to shoot. He also , as you said, has a much greater ability to get in the lane and finish close to the basket which of course halps his overall FG%. Don't get me wrong Monta is a much better player overall and is still young enough to improve his shooting and easily surpass Hudson (maybe even this year).

I do however agree that Hudson hasn't shown any reason to believe that all of a sudden he's grown a conscience and will only shoot when he is open and play within himself and put up better numbers with the W's and so on and so on. I think that the best we can hope for is that Nellie is wise enough to keep him on a short leash and yank his ass before he goes 2/15.

by olympicmike on Sep 24, 2007 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

i hope

Hudson never gets 15 shots in a game.

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by OptionZero on Sep 24, 2007 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

unless

he's on one of those famous streaks

This is my team There are many like it But this one is mine. My team, without me is useless. Without my team, I am useless

by BlueNgoldBlood on Sep 24, 2007 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Video

Here is a video of his carrer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAtHOBfCWY4&mode=related&search=

by biedrinsismyhero on Sep 22, 2007 5:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

sure

not bad... he's lit us up before more than once...

This is my team There are many like it But this one is mine. My team, without me is useless. Without my team, I am useless

by BlueNgoldBlood on Sep 22, 2007 6:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

SHAKE DEM DREADS

.........

by Five Ten Entertainment on Sep 22, 2007 8:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Amazing Pickup

This guy can flat out play when given the opportunity. Down the stretch last year when Baron was resting, the other teams would go on big runs. With Hudson out there the Warriors drop off won't be that severe. I don't trust Monta at the point, at least not yet, so knowing that Hudson is there in case Baron goes down is very reassuring. Great offseason Mully and I can't wait for the season to start. I'll let all the Laker fans down here know who the team to beat is in Cali.

A true Warriors fan holdin' it down in Long Beach.

by Nick D on Sep 22, 2007 9:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm kinda scared

I've never seen him play, but I'm getting the impression that this guy is going to be a selfish shooter PG, and just add to our woes. Anyone have evidence to the contrary?

(I still miss Darrell Armstrong....)

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by Zorgon on Sep 22, 2007 9:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Ah

now I remember what reference I was looking for. it was Tyronn Lue. He reminds me of Tyronn Lue.

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by Zorgon on Sep 22, 2007 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Troy Hudson

used to be scary when he (I think) first played for the Wolves during their only playoff run to the WCF. Hopefully he has some left in the tank. Good pick up for Mullin again.

by semarubaka on Sep 22, 2007 9:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Not a fan

Check out his games played the last few years in reverse order:

34
36
79
29

That's worse than Baron, worse than any of the old timers. Was this guy hurt, or did he just get DNP-Coach's Decision? That can't be good.

Sure he's a great FT shooter, but he only gets to the line 2.3times per 40 minutes, which tells me he can't or won't attack the bucket and draw an extra defender.

The ast/TO is decent, not spectacular; the 3p% is solid; the FG% is atrocious.

One token vet signing would be ok, and I'm not even worried about Croshere at this point; this is pretty unimaginative. It costs nothing so we can ditch the guy anytime, but man...

Questions? Complaints?

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by OptionZero on Sep 22, 2007 11:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

also

if Jason Williams = J-Wil

if Chris Webber = C-Webb

and

if Dwayne Wade = D-Wade

then

Troy Hudson = T-Hud

This guy's nickname is Thud?

(stolen from some random guy on realgm)

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by OptionZero on Sep 22, 2007 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

he was hurt

if I remember correctly he had a pretty bad ankle injury that took basically 2 seasons to get right...by then the wolves had Foye and Mike James. end of story for playing time.
Back when he was healthy and the Wolves with KG and Spree were making serious runs in the West, Hudson was a deadly 3pt shooter. Nice pickup for the $$ IMO.

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by OaktownFunk on Sep 22, 2007 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

health

Is he healthy now? He missed the last month of the season completely as shown on his Game Log

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by OptionZero on Sep 22, 2007 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Foye

They gave time to Foye. Hudson was relatively healthy in March.

by pree on Sep 22, 2007 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

good signing

#1, the guy has experience at point. If he gives us 10-15 solid minutes a game, that should be good.
#2, we're gettin the guy for pennies on the dollar.
#3, he's not Roony. I mean, he looks like he'll fit into this system rather easily.

Nellieball

by tadams1080 on Sep 22, 2007 11:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

hahaha

Nellie looks like he scored those shades at a 7-11........classic

This is my team There are many like it But this one is mine. My team, without me is useless. Without my team, I am useless

by BlueNgoldBlood on Sep 24, 2007 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

he cost nothing

This is by far the most important reason to sign him. Armstrong could have cost us a pick if Indy decided to hang onto him(for the explicit purpose of getting a pick, that is). Then again, Armstrong had a non-guaranteed deal so we would have been able to cut him anytime (right?). Still, Hudson would and could end up as expiring salary filler (albeit <$1M).

Hopefully, this means what has been speculated is true: that this year is the year Monta will be thrown in the PG pool and be forced to sink or swim. He needs to know that he isn't going to get yanked from the PG spot if he screws up and that he'll be allowed to work through challenges.

by Lifelong on Sep 22, 2007 12:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Good Signing

This guy is very streaky, and can catch on fire, and score a lot of points in a short amount of time, & for baron to stay healthy we need Baron to not play 40 minutes a game, I would like to see Baron avg 30 min or less a game, unless we need some crunch time clutch minutes or sit him out on the third quarter and have monta, or hudson, or Jax man the point

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by BigVic52 on Sep 22, 2007 12:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

to low or to high??????

14 pts 7 asts 18 mins for hudson.....

Best seat in the House

by kaszowski on Sep 22, 2007 12:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

ummm

if ur saying he's gonna average 14 and 7 in just 18 minutes then that's way too high. cut the points and assists in half and keep the minutes about right and that's what i expect from him

by AJC3317 on Sep 22, 2007 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

to low or to high??????

12 pts an 6 asts and 18 mins

Best seat in the House

by kaszowski on Sep 22, 2007 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

didn't he just say

cut the numbers in half and maybe you'll get something reasonable?

how did you go from 14/7 to 12/6?

Hudson will be lucky to avg 7 pts and 3 asts and he'll be lucky to get 18 minutes per game

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by OptionZero on Sep 22, 2007 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I am pleased

With the signing of Hudson. He is a good 3-point shooter, excellent free-throw shooter, cheap, a good passer of the ball and he will fit into our system well. Well done Mulson!

by zaki on Sep 22, 2007 4:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Not Bad...

considering the options. This makes me think that we will see a healthy dose of Monta at PG which makes me happy (as Lifelong said) and there is no financial downside. I'm sure we could have done better but considering how late in the offseason we are I'm sure they had already played out and decided against most of the other ideas we have been throwing around here (J-Will, DA...).

I am not as optimistic as pree that we will get much mentoring out of him (he never seemed the big brother type to me) but if he helps Monta adjust and become a better player at PG than this was money well spent.

by olympicmike on Sep 23, 2007 5:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Im with you

on the mentoring. I usually agree with almost everything Pree says, but I dont see Hudson as the kind of vet that can help Monta's game. Who knows about off the court, its not that important thats what his moms for...

I think Gary Payton would have been the perfect mentor for Ellis, but paying a yearly salary to a guy that cant play, just mentor is up for discussion.

Personally I would rather see us sign Pierre Pierce for the season and give him some time over Hudson if he earns it in practice. Not a bad sign though.

This is my team There are many like it But this one is mine. My team, without me is useless. Without my team, I am useless

by BlueNgoldBlood on Sep 24, 2007 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hudson

may not mentor Monta but at least Monta will be competing with a veteran PG, rather than with a career d-leaguer who has as much to learn about the position as Monta himself.

Monta will learn more from Hudson by watching him on the court than he would from Pierce.

by BingBluNT on Sep 25, 2007 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

True

But then again, Monta would learn more from watching and competing against Baron than Hudson and Pierce combined.

This is my team There are many like it But this one is mine. My team, without me is useless. Without my team, I am useless

by BlueNgoldBlood on Sep 26, 2007 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

All I Gotta Say

Troy Better Come To Play! Not Rap!

by LilJay23 on Sep 24, 2007 10:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

i think

this is a great signing

by thewarriorsrule on Sep 26, 2007 1:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I like this signing

because its more like cheap insurance. In a perfect world, we'll see as many DNP's on his stat sheet as Greg Oden's - cuz that means Monta and Belinelli proved they can pick up the slack. Also, the dubs wouldn't have to worry about giving the man crumbs(minutes) so he could develope(like they would a Pierce or a POB, for example).

If monta, belinelli can't manage it, he's pretty much good to go.

The best duo since...

by Tim N Chris Burger on Sep 26, 2007 2:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs