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RECAP: Warriors 106, Pacers 101- BOOleavy

Now that was close. Way too close. But still some serious Funleavy with the Warriors coming back from an unthinkable 17 points and overcoming a deep thigh bruise to Andris Biedrins and Stephen Jackson battling the flu to beat the Indiana Pacers.

Preview/ Open Thread (180+ Comments)


The Dubs let the game be close...
just for kicks!

Final Box Score

OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) -- From Mike Dunleavy's opening introduction to his final missed 3-pointer, the booing Golden State fans let their least favorite player know just how much they still despise him.

And after the Warriors finished their 106-101 comeback victory Sunday night over Dunleavy and his Indiana Pacers, the much-reviled forward confirmed that the feeling is mutual.

"I wouldn't want it any other way," said Dunleavy, who spent his first 4 1/2 NBA seasons with the Warriors. "I couldn't care less. It's hard to pay attention and care about something somebody says when you have no respect for them. They can do whatever they want."

I just wanted to win. Thanks for letting us do that.

Star-divide

Pacer Praise
We'll get to the Warriors past and present soon enough, but a few thoughts about the Pacers. Before this season began I had this team pinned as the second worst team in the Leastern Conference. Don't get it twisted this is still a very bad team and the roster is inherently flawed, but even after their loss tonight they're only 5 games under .500. Here's a two reasons why:

  • Jermaine O'Neal is a still very good player. People really seems to give this guy a hard time by focusing on his injury woes and failure to live up to his big money deal. Don't let that fool you though. Jermaine is still a very good player and an excellent interior defender when healthy, which unfortunately isn't often enough. He knows how to protect the house. Take away Jermaine from the Pacers and they're probably worse than even the Minnesnowta Timberkittens- yes, that bad. The worst part is that unlike the T-Wolves the Pacers have a front office that's actually trying to work in their best interests instead of trying to aid the Boston Collusion.

    Young Warrior big man Andris Biedrins could learn a lot from O'Neal. Like Jermaine, Andris will probably never have a big, wide frame. Jermaine is still incredibly strong, skilled in the post, and a fantastic one on one and weakside defender.

    Like Michael, Jermaine's still BAD!

  • Coach O'Brien is one of the most underrated coaches in the league. I don't understand why the Celtics and 76ers didn't hold on to him. He knows how to turn water into wine. Obie got a Celtics team with Antoine Walker playing the role of Scottie Pippen to the Eastern Conference Finals and took a disgruntled Allen Iverson, a hobbled Chris Webber, and a pretty overrated Sixers cast to the playoffs. I have no idea how he has this poorly constructed team still contending for a playoff spot in the Least this late into the season. Props to him.


Boo Birds Chirping at the Roaracle

Well before he finally got out of town, Dunleavy came to embody all the empty promise of the Warriors' 12 straight losing teams. Golden State fans seem to hate everything about Dunleavy, from his inconsistent shot and tepid defense to his flouncy hairdos and perceived arrogance.

God I hated watching him be a revolving door on defense nightly. God I hated his "flouncy hairdos." God I hated his loser attitude and failure to accept responsibly for own failures and lack of focus. God I hated all the excuses the organization, the media, and his two fans made for him after every no-show.

In fact, Dunleavy probably was booed more regularly than any Warriors player since 1980s center Joe Barry Carroll -- otherwise known as Joe Barely Cares, a moniker that fans felt fit Dunleavy as well, even if most of his teammates disagreed.

Last year on The Don Nelson Show on KNBR with the Razor and Mr. T in the midst of another expectedly no-show stretch from Dunnuthin', Nellie said he understood why Warrior fans booed Dunleavy and said he'd boo him too. I'm just saying...

"He gave it all here -- played hurt, played hard," Davis said of Dunleavy. "He had great games when he was booed here, so I expected him to have a good game."

Haha I have a hard time believing that Baron said that with a straight face.


Warrior Worries

Let's celebrate this win, no doubt, but let's not overlook these issues:

  • The 1st quarter was a disaster for the Warriors. They simply didn't show up. Maybe they thought the game started at the usual 7:30 instead of tonight's 6 pm tip off time? Take away that painful opening quarter and the Warriors took this one 87-67. They were fully capable of blowing out this poor Pacers team by 25+ points, but instead this game was a nailbiter because of their terrible start.

  • I don't have a clue how long this bruise is going to bother Andris Biedrins, but hopefully it heals fast. Don't get me wrong, Austin Croshere stepped in and gave the Warriors some solid minutes tonight on both ends of the floor. He played his gave his all and it showed.

    But I'd be scared- make that terrified- to count on him regularly. Watching him try to bang with Jermaine O'Neal tonight you could tell he's had to guard him plenty of times in practice. You could also tell that Jermaine's scored on him plenty of times in practice.

  • Let's hope Jack recovers from the flu bug fast. His poor shooting tonight and lack of energy really made things difficult for the team tonight. I'm still wondering why Nellie played him 42:32 minutes tonight. Maybe Nellie knew how much this game meant to him and wanted to help Jack get some revenge?

  • I love Al Harrington's defense, shooting, and great attitude, but watching him try to finish near the rim tonight was painful as his old buddy Jermaine stuffed him a few times near the bucket. Also, I would love to see Al stop trying to pick up charges in the key and instead play like a big man. Challenge and block those shots my good man! He was the only Warrior on the wrong side of the +/- tonight at an unsightly -19. Maybe Nellie knew how much this game meant to him and wanted to help Al get some revenge?

  • Free throws. Good god. The Warriors almost lost the game at the charity stripe.

But let's not get too down. As my man Hash noted as we were leaving the Roaracle, with KBLX on the squad the Warriors now rep the numerical scale 1 through 5. #1- Stephen Jackson, #2- Mickael Pietrus, #3- Al Harrington, #4- CJ Watson, and #5- Baron Davis. (Yeah, I honestly have no idea what that has to do with anything, but I felt compelled to give my man's astute observation some deserved air time tonight.)


I think my mom has a fruit plate that looks like this award,
but nevertheless big ups to Mr. 100!

Still Charmin' Soft
Some things will never change. Abraham Lincoln will always be on the $5 bill. Thunder will always be BALCO's best customer. The Oakland A's will trade away their best players as soon as you know their names. And Mike Dunleavy and Troy Murphy will always be horrendous defenders.


The Pacers stocked up on these BIG TIME when they got ripped off by the Warriors in last year's trade.

Dunleavy's offensive output may have dramatically improved so far this season, but his D is still atrocious. The Warriors in-game production crew seemed to really relish the opportunity to expose Dun's hideous D with multiple video collages of the Warriors taking their turns scoring on him. It was the video equivalent of photographers having their Funleavy Foto Fun. They gave us more than 44 reasons (Part I | II | III | IV) to crack up.


Jamaal Tinsely: "Yo Mike- Are you EVEN TRYING on D?!"


BD: "No thank YOU Mike for switching over and trying to guard me!"

Troy Murphy got a few boos tonight, but not nearly the heavy dosage Dun got everytime the PA announcer uttered his name or he touched the Spalding. I like Troy and I wish the crowd didn't boo him. I made sure to clap for him during the intros to give the man his due and I hope some of you did to.

Aside from his last few months with the Dubs when the trade rumors and his nose injury really seemed to bother him and sour his attitude, he gave his all. He worked hard on his game and really improved since his rookie season. Troy put in the time after his first season and made himself into a good rebounder. After his second season he worked hard on his shooting and eventually worked his way into becoming a midrange and 3pt shooting threat.

On the other hand Dunleavy did none of the above and never worked hard to improve a single aspect of his game from his rookie season (the one after he threatened to not enter the 2002 draft if the Warriors selected him). Instead he made his teammates and coaches lives a living hell. It's unfortunate that Murph is so often clumped and associated with Dun. They're completely different cases- aside from the pitiful D that is.

Well the artist formerly known as T-Double gave the Pacers next to nothing tonight. Actually let me correct myself. He did give them some of that Charmin soft defense we've come to (not) love and expect from him. I'm probably in the minority, but I still think he's a better player than Dunleavy even though he's been pretty awful during the past 2 seasons. Troy's a better rebounder, shooter, and all around scorer. I'm not sure why the Pacers don't pair him up with Jermaine more. That's a nice inside-outside big man combo and Jermaine might be good enough of a defender to compensate and hide Murph's defensive shortcomings.

But I really do hope Donnie Walsh and Larry Bird enjoy paying these guys $62,485,832 till 2011-- haha SUCKAS!

You know come to think of it I feel like I'm forgetting someone the Warriors sent to the Pacers in last year's pillage that a few people in the national media who didn't do their homework were hyping up. Can anyone name that former Mullin and Higgins lottery pick bust?


Coming Up Clutch

Let's not get carried away here. The Warriors didn't really play that well tonight as I hopefully communicated in the Warrior Worries. They got down by a ton early and honestly weren't really rolling on all cylinders for some classic Warrior Tempo till late into the 3rd quarter. Against most teams that's just asking for a serious whoppin' but there's one thing the Warriors did that any team "featuring" Mike Dunleavy simply can not do. They came up big in the clutch.

Monta's tip shot at the 1:11 mark was money and gave him 7 points in the final 3 minutes and 9 seconds of the game. Baron Davis also made some big scores in the final period. Mickael Pietrus [7:24 minutes left], Matt Barnes [2:39] and Andris Biedrins [17 seconds left] simply could not have picked a better times to score their first and only points of the game. On a night where the Warriors were really struggling from the charity stripe it was really nice to see Kelenna have ice in his veins and seal the deal with two huge free throws to put the Warriors up by 5 points to seal the deal.

THROW UP THAT W!


Before I forget- why does Mike trip on his own two feet so much out there?


The Opposite of Coming Up Clutch

I'm admittedly making a much bigger deal of this that is merited, but when you're talking about one of the least liked former Warriors of all time you can't help but rub it in.

Missing your first free throw in the final 1:34 with your team down by 2

And of course...

The game ended appropriately, with Warriors fans booing Dunleavy as he missed a meaningless 3-pointer.

Would you really have it any way? Good night Mike. I wouldn't want it any other way.

 

In the 3rd quarter Jamaal Tinsely committed a cheap flagrant foul on Monta Ellis, essentially elbowing Monta's head with a cheap shot. So what did Monta do?

He BLEW UP.

29 points, 8 rebounds, 4 assists, and 3 interceptions.

"Last year, a lot of times, Monta kept his head down after something like that," said Jackson, who had just nine points on 4-of-15 shooting while battling a flu bug. "If you knocked him down, he wouldn't always get up as fast. Now, you can't keep him down."


Like Puffy and Mase would say "Can't Nobody Hold Me Down"


BONUS Shout Out
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Special thanks to our good friends at FSN Bay Area for hooking us up with some great seats for this evening's festivity at the Roaracle. We were close enough to the floor that you could probably hear us "cheering our hearts out" on your TV sets at home.

Also before we head out for the night I just wanted to give a shout out to the unstoppable GSoMer in section 108 who was rocking a jazzy home-made sign with "Golden State of Mind" in pink lettering. She actually got on the jumbotron for what seemed like 30 seconds flashing that bright sign with incredible enthusiasm, even waiving it in front of her neighbor's (hopefully a friend!) heart-shaped "I Love Monta" sign. I'm not exactly sure what's up with the pink color scheme, but we're flattered. Keep it Unstoppable Baby!


Photos: Rocky Widner/NBAE via Getty Images, AP Photo/Ben Margot



The fun don't stop!


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I too
did not like the booing of Murphy, he was more than an average player and was pretty good some times especially when he shot those 3's. I don't know why they would boo him he didn't act like dumbleaveme!
What you thought that I only played basketball? I AM A Golden State WARRIOR!

by 24k state fan since 87 on Jan 14, 2008 4:55 AM PST reply actions  

totally agree on Troy, I liked him here...
That was a hard-fought win, but the Pacers are prone to blow huge leads, so even when we were down by 17 or so in the first half, I knew that it was far from over.  

btw, in the photo where Baron hugs Dunleavy, what is he doing with his left hand, lol

Don Nelson always has been the NBA coaching equivalent of "MacGyver," innovating and improvising his way to success (Aschburner, CNNSI)

by BlauGold on Jan 14, 2008 5:09 AM PST reply actions  

When a man's got an itch
hes got to scratch, no matter how awkward it makes things.

by Calamity on Jan 14, 2008 5:26 AM PST up reply actions  

they
hugged in the beginning so he was just tucking in his jersey
What you thought that I only played basketball? I AM A Golden State WARRIOR!

by 24k state fan since 87 on Jan 14, 2008 5:59 PM PST up reply actions  

i bet
mitch richmond and mullin grabbed that plate from the Warriors catering before the game. scraped off the cheese and fruit that it was serving and transformed it into an nba award!

by dj fuzzylogic on Jan 14, 2008 7:27 AM PST reply actions  

The Make your free throw Guy and Gang...
Man, no disrespect but that was the 1st night I walked away from my seat and moved somewhere else. Section 109 is mad rowdy and I guess thats the love of a Dubz fan thats all heart but when the yappin' drops throughout the whole game... it kinda kills the mood... not to mention the dude by him banging the air ducts. There were copy cats behind and around him makin' up catch phrases too... ya'll hear the chant's "Make your free throws pleeeeease...!" but they had new ones like "Get a hair cut!" or "Why now Dunleavy?!? Why?!?" throughout the entire game. Sorry- not our cup of tea.

What killed the mood was a Willie Nelson lookin' fan with a trucker hat moved one seat to the left in front of us (not his seat) in which we couldn't see anything, on top of the yapping had us move... I can't complain... during the half we moved even lower and more towards the center court... did some cheers, raised the sign... and never left! LOL. Overall... a very entertaining night!


The wonders of photoshop...

by Tony.psd on Jan 14, 2008 8:29 AM PST reply actions  

I'm in sec. 108.
That guy was not there in years past and I love my seat.  I am too close to him now, and I would love for nothing more than to have him be in the opposite corner away from me.  I love fans who cheer and get excited for a game.  This guy, however, is selfish.  I have noticed when people from other sections start a chant, he won't participate, only to start his own.  It's like a power trip he gets off on to lead his cronies in a personalized chant.  Dude isn't even clever.  

Booing of Dunleavy was funny.  I think Murphy deserves booing even more for the fact that he gave up on this team and stopped trying.  I hate quitters...and the "free throw" guy.  Boo to the "free throw" guy!

by onetwocross on Jan 14, 2008 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

No Doubt!
It never bothered me in the past... I was just like ahhh... live with it, these are great seats! but the banging of the air ducts made the headache I already had worse lol. and that stretch when we were down by a dozen, he just kept goin' off. I think what just set the tone 2 leave was the guy in front of us who was unhappy w/ his seat so he moved in front of us. all I saw was a long grey hair and the harley davidson logo! Oh well... it was just one of those days. I think we moved to section 113 and I could still hear the ruckus from 109! Great time out no doubt!

by Tony.psd on Jan 14, 2008 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Tony.psd...
Those shoes are INSANELY FRESH!!! Do you paint shoes?  Seriously... how much would I have to drop to get a custom pair of Tony.PSD Dunks?
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

by mightymadskillz on Jan 14, 2008 1:33 PM PST up reply actions  

LoL...
I have a friend who's teaching me some tricks in painting on shoes. I've thought about it for sometime... just random thoughts. the psd dunks was just something I did on the fly at the mall while my wife was shopping at H&M... the wonders of a mac book!

Lets see what I can come up with... I may start practicing on some cheap Pay less kicks 1st!


The wonders of photoshop...

by Tony.psd on Jan 14, 2008 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

A Couple Points
1) Offensive Rebounding
We hit the glass hard tonight, outrebounding the Pacers 50-43 with 16 offensive rebounds. The Warriors didn't shoot particularly well at 42% and 8-33 (24%) from 3. One of the big reasons we won is because of the huge disparity in number of shots, if you just shoot many more times than the other team even at a lower percentage you're going to win. The Warriors had 22 more field goal attempts and 4 more free throw attempts. This basically nullified the Pacers better shooting night from the field (48% to 41%) and the line (79% to 57%). Heck even the entire team got in on the rebounding. While no player had double digit rebounds, 7 of the 10 guys who played had at least 5 boards. Throw in Barnes' 4 in 11 minutes and Croshere's 3 in 14 and you have a great team effort on the boards. The Warriors shot poorly so they made up for it with the hustle on the glass and they...

2) Forced Turnovers
The Pacers had a whopping 23 turnovers to just 14 for the Warriors. Tinsley had 5, O'neal had 4, Daniels had 4 (in 27 minutes), and Dunleavy had 3. Combine the offensive boards with the forced turnovers and the Warriors make up for their poor shooting to take the win.

by Fantasy Junkie on Jan 14, 2008 9:18 AM PST reply actions  

Dun and Stuff
Dunleavy was terrific last night in three ways: he played well consistently thru the game, almost getting a triple double; he excoriated Tinsley for that incredibly stupid flagrant that ultimately cost the Pacers a game they'd pretty much wrapped up, given the W's flatness (an every other game phenomenon, it seems); he played well even thru the constant derision of mis-guided fans, who've always failed to see his many strengths (while too eagerly jumping on his several weaknesses).

Oh, and for those who incredibly used to argue that Murphy was actually better and more valuable than Dun, I hope that fantasy is now permanently ended.

Still, Kudos to the W's -- and Ellis, in particular -- for pulling this game out, especially when it seemed the team was so intent on giving it away.  Now we've got four (on paper) relatively easy games, BUT (1) it's four away games on five nights (e.g. see Pistons yesterday v. Knicks) and (2) this team can't seem to keep its energy level up like it did for two months last year.  

(I think the problem continues to be Nellie's overplaying of Davis and Jack -- these guys can still bring it, but they're wearing down right before our eyes and it's only mid-January.  If Nellie doesn't change his ways pronto, the W's will never get into Round 2, even if they're lucky enough to make the playoffs.  Remember, when CPaul dominated BD, BD still palyed 41 while CPaul played 35; there's a reason why Paul just killed us at the end.  

The over-under on BD and Jack minutes combined is now propbably over 80 a game.  Unless and until Nellie whittles that down to 70, we're going to be in REAL trouble this Spring.

Oh, and it's be nice to see BW get some minutes -- as Nellie promised last week.  I would have even given him a shot at JO last night, what with his long arms and quickness.)

by johnl on Jan 14, 2008 11:37 AM PST reply actions  

CJ & Kaz
along with Ellis, they HAVE to provide minutes or it doesn't matter whether Mullin makes any deals - you & OZ and everyone else are right about draining BD & Jax tanks ....

by hardcore on Jan 14, 2008 5:46 PM PST up reply actions  

O'neal: overrated and overpaid
O'Neal had a very good game, but I think some people vastly over-value his contributions to the Pacers. They'd be Minnesota bad without him?  Actual results suggest otherwise. Overall, the Pacers are 17-22.  With O'Neal playing, they're 12-20. Yes, this means that in games he doesn't play in, they're 5-2.  Small sample size perhaps, but that doesn't suggest that they'd be lost without him.  It suggests that his contributions are replaceable and, when he's not been there, they've more than replaced them. Those haven't been bottom-feeder wins either. Those 5 victories came against Dallas, Denver, New Orleans, Portland and Washington (with Arenas playing).  The losses were to Phoenix and Cleveland.  

by jae on Jan 14, 2008 11:47 AM PST reply actions  

That still doesn't mean
that the Pacers should undervalue his tradeability. Whle insignificant on the Pacers, this guy could help make or break a struggling team.

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Jan 14, 2008 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Game Summed Up Current Warriors Team
They played like a very good team that expected to win against a sub-par opponent (on the back end of a back to back and getaway game) and watched that team take a whipping to them early on.

However, instead of folding like in the past, the W's played hard ("turning the switch on?") and pulled it out, especially with gutty defense and big putbacks by Biedrins and Monta.

Dunleavy played like one of the best players on the floor last night, confident and sturdy.  I did not see any bad defense from the half to the end.  I saw him body up SJax on an iso and hold his own.  I saw him post up Baron (?) (who had 3 or 4 fouls) and simply turn and shoot over him.  Never heard or saw any player in writing rip Dunleavy for not playing hard or crying, in fact I think its the opposite as judging by Baron's comment.

Jermaine O'Neal was a true elite player last night.  I guess I was wrong thinking he was declining.  

Nothing better than "The City".

by philsmith75 on Jan 14, 2008 12:23 PM PST reply actions  

Oneal's decline.
I don't think you're wrong to think that O'neal is declining.  Overall, he is. He doesn't shoot well. Not for a big man, not for anyone, and he's become a marginal rebounder for his position as well.  Last night's game was an outlier, but it shouldn't be that surprising.  We're not fantastic with interior defense and unless Nellie decides to alter the gameplan to deny the interior player the ball (ala Harrington on Yao) Bigs can have big games against us.

by jae on Jan 14, 2008 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Baron making a statement?
I think that Baron is adding a new piece of gear every night until Nellie starts to get him some consistent rest. First the sleeve on his knee, then the elbow sleeve/pad, now this shoulder contraption.

I think that there is a good chance that when they return from the road trip Baron will be wearing an entire wet-suit under his uni.

On a more serious note, that game was hard to watch. Maybe i was just grumpy (I was sick... boooo) but I couldn't get excited, even at the end of the game it was like "Jeez it's about time!"

Dun seems to have found his offensive game but his defense is still the same old "retreat and slap" or "stand and fall down" that he used to do when he was here.

Overall I'm glad to have that one over with.

.

by olympicmike on Jan 14, 2008 12:54 PM PST reply actions  

hahaha
i'm at work reading through the blog and i read,
I think that there is a good chance that when they return from the road trip Baron will be wearing an entire wet-suit under his uni.

I BURST OUT LAUGHING...and people started to stare... haha

thank you for making my day.

by starry night on Jan 14, 2008 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Same here
except that I am at home.

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Jan 14, 2008 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

the wetsuit comment
had me on the floor..good work with that;)

by highflya on Jan 14, 2008 7:30 PM PST up reply actions  

kelenna azubuike
was money in the 2nd quarter. 6 quick points... And his killer three in the 4th quarter... SUPER... Then he seals the game with his two free throw's. sweet.

by starry night on Jan 14, 2008 2:10 PM PST reply actions  

Monta's grimy dunk
There weren't a ton of highlights last night but I neeeeeeeeed to see Monta's dunk after the flagrant again. ESPN doesn't have video of the game (or didn't a few hours ago) and I can't find anyplace else. I thought for sure some enterprising GSoMer could hook it up.

by Tenorca on Jan 14, 2008 2:27 PM PST reply actions  

Noooooooo!!!!
Atma managed to mention the 44 reasons Mike Dunleavy should not be payed 44 million again!!!! The world is over!!!!

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Jan 14, 2008 2:43 PM PST reply actions  

Oh and also
Part IV has a bunch of broken pictures. The article is getting too old.... :-/

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Jan 14, 2008 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Booing of Murph...
He did make the comment that we fans don't know the difference between a basketball and a pumpkin when defending Dun.

by yuletak on Jan 14, 2008 4:13 PM PST reply actions  

Monta's Dunk
I think i might have the dunk some are looking for http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVDO5yb1CwA
hes on the fast break gets the pass off pietrus(i think) and jumps off two feet.

Also i just created this account ten minutes ago.

I have been reading for almost a year now,    
following GSW for 3 years.

I am from Australia so i only get three Warriors games on TV(Pay TV) a year, i read about them heaps on the net every recap to every game on every Blog, Website, TV show possible.

Im a diehard warriors fan and following before they were successful.

Hope to post everyday and become a GSOMER,
Peace out to everyone,

DoomBizzle(initials are D.B.)

by DoomBizzle on Jan 15, 2008 4:29 AM PST reply actions  

hey!
so glad to connect with Warrior fans across the globe. nice to meet you and lookin' forward to hearing your ideas about the Warriors as the season goes on!

by dj fuzzylogic on Jan 15, 2008 8:01 AM PST up reply actions  

dj fuzzylogic
thanks dj fuzzylogic.
The Beginning of the "We Believe" Movement of Melbourne, Australia.

by DoomBizzle on Jan 15, 2008 5:16 PM PST reply actions  

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