RECAP: Warriors 108, Timberwolves 109 - How did...? What?! No way.
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The Twolves just won the Finals
Oh. My. Gawd. If the Warriors miss out on the playoffs by one game, this will be one that everyone can point to and say if we had just won that game. It's one thing to lose against a below .500 team, it's another completely horrible thing to lose to the worst team in the league at home. How that happens? I can try to explain, after the jump.


Look how many people in the stands have their hands on their heads
I Blame Nellie
If I can give Nellie credit for wins, I can blame him for losses. I'm tired of our team coming out flat in the first quarter. I'm tired of our team not playing a full 48 minutes. I'm tired of not putting away inferior teams early! It's been happening for way too long now. This team seems to lollygag (yes lollygag) through the first quarter with no fire or energy. It takes them so long to get going. Today the lollygagging reared its ugly head again as the first quarter was filled with defensive deficiencies and ended with a 10 point deficit. Then, the Warriors have to fight their way back rolling off long runs just to get them back to even. I was even hoping the Warriors would come out strong in the 3rd quarter after a halftime peptalk. Nope. Same deal, the Twolves won the quarter by 8. The longer the Twolves stayed in the game, the longer they think they can actually win it. Giving confidence to a 5 win team is dangerous because they start to believe they can actually win. That's exactly what happened.
Nellie needs to light a fire under this team and soon. It doesn't have to be the desperation fire he lit last year to go 16-5 to close the season because that's probably not sustainable, but they need a spark. It needs to come from the leader and that's Nellie. This is the part of the schedule the Warriors need to take advantage of. There aren't too many above .500 opponents until the beginning of March. As strong as the Western Conference is this year, we just cannot afford to give away games.
Perhaps Nellie agrees with me.

I Blame Baron and Jax
Like Nellie above, these two are supposed to be the leaders. They are supposed to be the ones sparking this team in the first quarter and making sure everyone is fired up for the game. They need to be fired up as if facing the Lakers because a win here counts just as much as a win against the Lakers. Instead, the team comes out lackluster and there's no energy. It also doesn't help that these two combine for 10-27 from the field, good for 37%. Even better, they were 7-14 from the free throw line with Baron being 3-8. Ummm, we lost the game by one. Our leaders missed 7 free throws, Baron missing one in crunch time that would have put the Warriors up 2 instead of just 1. Gomes comes down, hits both his free throws to take the lead. Game over. I'm not sure what it was tonight, but losing to the Twolves can't happen, ever. Leaders lead. I'd like to see Nellie, Baron and Jax ask for more of themselves and the team
Perhaps it was the question they were asked, but it should have never come down to that last shot. This game shouldn't have been that close in the first place.


Ryan Gomes
Gomes was awesome tonight and hit just about everything. Nobody could guard him. He hit jumpers and 3's, he posted up anybody, he drove the lane, he hit his free throws. Check out his line: 35 points - 11-15 from the field (2-2 on 3's), 11-12 from the line and 11 rebounds in just over 32 minutes. And he hit the 2 free throws to tie and then win the game. Wow.
Marko Jaric
Ummm this guy nearly dropped a triple double tonight. He shot poorly, but dished out 10 assists and pulled down 8 boards to go with his 3 thefts. I don't know how he did that.
Twolves Starters
I'd also like to commend the Twolves starters for playing hard the entire game and playing like they want to win. It's not easy to play hard day in, day out when you're 5-34, but they came out and played like true professionals. The bench scored 7 total points, the starters 102.

Monta Ellis
One of the lone bright spots for the Warriors. He was the only one hitting in the first quarter and essentially kept the Warriors from being down by possibly 15 at the end of the first. He dropped his 28 and more importantly, hit his free throws (10-11). What he now needs to do is get his game to be more consistent so the team knows what they're going to get from him every single game. Right now, sometimes he'll go for 25+ and then the next night he'll score 10. Hit the glass consistently, set up teammates with his drive and continue to work on that mid-range J. It's fun watching him and Biedrins progress. It feels like a slow process since we watch every single game, but when you step back and look at their games year over year, they're really learning and applying that to the games.
Al Harrington
Ugh. 3-12?
Andris Biedrins
Nice job with the 12 rebounds, but 6 fouls in 21 minutes? In a game where Al couldn't throw it in the ocean if he was in a boat, our only other experienced big man needed to stay in the game for more than 21 minutes. I know the D on the perimeter stinks and the guards are getting in the lane without too much trouble, but that doesn't mean foul them. He's got better body control than that. The foul rate this year has improved slightly, but I guess today was just one of those days.
Lastly, a Request
Can we see some more of the bench players? Get Patty O in there for 10 minutes and see what he can do. Pair him up with Biedrins, Kosta, or BWright. Throw in Kosta or BWright to see what you have. If the starters aren't giving you what you need, give the kids a shot especially against a lame team like Minnesota. What's the worst that could happen? The Warriors go down by 10 or 15? Oh wait, that happened with the starters in there. Give the young guys a shot while the opponents are easier and the games not pressure packed, we might just need them later in the year.


Matt Barnes
He'd put together some solid games this past road trip and looked like he was getting his game back together. Today, he stepped his game up one more level and really stood out. He was the Matt Barnes that we all remember. The Matt who was the spark off the bench, the energy, hustle, and complete floor game. 20 points (8-12 FG's, 4-4 FT's), 7 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals, 1 block in 28 minutes. Welcome Matt. Glad to have you back.
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by Five Ten Entertainment on Jan 21, 2008 10:55 PM PST 0 recs
agreed.
only positive out of tonight was denver losing despite utah, portland, and the lakers winning. very tight tight race.
by GSwarrior on Jan 21, 2008 11:03 PM PST 0 recs
Def check out
by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 21, 2008 11:12 PM PST 0 recs
Hah!
by flaaron on
Jan 22, 2008 7:55 AM PST
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astounding
by hardcore on
Jan 22, 2008 9:53 PM PST
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Well
Tony.psd = Da Man
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by Zorgon on Jan 21, 2008 11:49 PM PST 0 recs
I don't think Baron should be blamed too much
Nellie definately should get some blame for this one. Sometimes his substitutions (or lack thereof)just don't make any sense at all.
To be fair to Andris...some of the fouls called on him were kind of BS foul calls. Like when Al Jefferson lowers his shoulder into Andris and does a bulldozer move a la Shaq, they call a foul on AB. Or when Andris goes straight up or in some cases gives up ground while trying to block a shot. No contact. Still a foul on AB. Its like the refs already made up in their mind that he's got a reputation for being foul prone and just assumes the foul happened. Atleast he doesn't commit the stupid fouls that make no sense like the french trainwreck.
Hopefully this will be the last "wake up call" game that the Warriors will have this year. But I kind of doubt it.
by nautica on Jan 21, 2008 11:50 PM PST 0 recs
jackson
by saintdee on Jan 22, 2008 12:01 AM PST 0 recs
Minny almost did this to Denver
The Timberwolves deserve a lot of credit for playing hard every game. The Nuggets had them down by 14 in the second and Minny could have folded, but they fought back and almost won.
by Jeremy on Jan 22, 2008 12:36 AM PST 0 recs
HEY EVERYONE
im really happy...
no not for the terrible loss(1 poin loss YEAH they are the worst team in he league.)
But if any one is interested...(ANYONE?!!) for the last game against the wolves i picked Gomes to be the warriors killer for his recent scoring highs and rebounding. so yeah.( I LIKE USING BRACKETS)
that was also my first warrior killer pick in my short gsom history.
by DoomBizzle on Jan 22, 2008 7:05 AM PST 0 recs
I did
Ryan Gomes
i expect to see a relatively eay win by the dubs tonight.
But i think a player that is really going to kill tonight is Ryan Gomes.
I doubt that Nellie will give Stack Jack a mission to stop him but he is coming off a season best 21 points along with 9 rebounds at San Antonio and a then season tying best 20 in Houston both very good defensive teams, He is getting some big minutes at SF and i think he'll have a good game against the Dubs.
Does anyone know the odds for this one...
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by DoomBizzle on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 07:14:39 PM EDT
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See I did say it.
Not that it matters
by DoomBizzle on Jan 22, 2008 7:20 AM PST 0 recs
Baron was -
by streetballer on Jan 22, 2008 7:38 AM PST 0 recs
so. IF Baron has...
by streetballer on
Jan 22, 2008 8:46 AM PST
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Regular season losses
We do need a major shift in how we approach defending our House. The faithful are appreciated by the players and they want to send us home happy, but somehow, they have lost that sense of urgency they play with on the road. We were 14 point favorites yesterday and maybe with Baron's trip to Utah on Sunday, we just weren't ready to deal with a mentally strong Gomes and Jefferson.
I'm not here to talk about the past, its about what do we do next? Can the bench players feel that sense of urgency to force starters off the court with their brilliance and execution? Will the leadership of Barnes and the gusto of Watson light a fire under the rooks? POB seems to have earned himself some PT, but will Nelson use him in the 2nd half when we're down?
We came out to start the 2nd half on fire. We thought the Twolves would cower and lower their heads. They didn't and responded by picking up their games. We had no answer and lost the game in the first 4 minutes of the 3rd Q. Now, we need to pick up a game we are expected to lose and remember the lesson of MLK day 2008.
by eshock on Jan 22, 2008 7:41 AM PST 0 recs
sjax is right on
I couldn't agree more. I guess the lack of energy excuse is easier than facing the fact that Ryan Gomes had a career night, that he will likely never replicate in his life. Career night, folks. Plus, a missed Baron layup. It happens. I wouldn't lose my sleep over this loss and, while I understand Nellie's reaction, I don't think the players are exactly hanging their heads in shame today. They were outplayed and had a couple of chances to win it, and they couldn't convert. Period.
by GameSix on Jan 22, 2008 9:07 AM PST 0 recs
The Warriors have had a brutal schedule
by theblackpearl on Jan 22, 2008 9:25 AM PST 0 recs
hey guys
by warrior510 on Jan 22, 2008 12:32 PM PST 0 recs
I think
Seriously.. Ryan Gomes? wtf.
by jlagace on Jan 22, 2008 12:54 PM PST 0 recs
being at the game
by sloth11 on Jan 22, 2008 1:09 PM PST 0 recs
Nellie, Nellie, Nellie
POB did not hurt us in his limited minutes, nor did the D-League Legends. In fact, Watson and Azubuike helped us claw back in the 4th when Ellis and Jack sat.
It is time for Nellie to grow a pair, become a better parent, and let Jack AND Baron rest TOGETHER. Trust the game to Watson, Azubuike, POB, Barnes, and a matchup choice of Barnes, Croshere, or Harrington. Hell, even Ellis needs a blow given the beatings he takes.
It's alot easier to make a game winning layup (that might not even be necessary) when you have legs.
Nellie:
The kids WILL make mistakes. But hey, YOUR VETERANS ARE BLOWING IT TOO. It was a blown communication between Harrington and Jackson that led them to jump out on the same man, allowing Gomes to spring free under the bucket for (IIRC) the second to last Twolves bucket.
And really, can the kids shoot worse than Baron/Jack/Al's combined 33%?
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by OptionZero on Jan 22, 2008 1:42 PM PST 0 recs
Nellie Bad Coaching and Al not being a good player
by gswLLBatman on Jan 22, 2008 3:02 PM PST 0 recs
Nellie
seems to go with what DID work
not what WILL work.
by gby822 on
Jan 22, 2008 3:55 PM PST
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disagree on two examples
he brought CJ in late in the game and it was a positive move
Nelson isn't always right, but his late game substitutions don't seem to be the issue: Baron missed a layup, & Harrington missed a tip in at the buzzer
We left a game to be decided at the buzzer that never should have been close
by hardcore on
Jan 22, 2008 4:12 PM PST
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free throw line
Woulda been a W if they had made a couple more free throws i guess
but Nelson TENDS to SOMETIMES (yesterday) go with players who arent really HOT, but with other players,
he took barnes out yesterday
well, maybe im wrong.
by gby822 on
Jan 22, 2008 6:35 PM PST
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Wake Up Call My A**
I contend that if we make the playoffs, which we should, just how far can we go with another exausted squad and non-contributing rooks sitting on the bench. Even worse news, which those of us who frequent the site probably know, if we decide to resign our present players after this season, in combination with those under contract, this is basically the team we will see next year as well. Exciting, gutsy, capable of making the playoffs, and extremely flawed and out of the playoffs in one or two series.
Can we get Mully to use the TPE and get us out of this mid to lower level morass? Guess what the Fakers and Portland are going to be like next year! That is what we should be thinking about now. Everyone knows these things so we don't really need a wake up call. We need a remedy now!
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by commish on Jan 22, 2008 3:40 PM PST 0 recs
thank you
I blame Mullin
you want more time for the bench players?
am I the only one who saw a double digit lead evaporate as soon as the bench came in during the first half? did we not get a verrrry early POB sighting? and, he did what? it gets a little irritating to read all those who want to blame Nelson for not playing his bench after they don't step up against the worst fuggin team - what should we expect against better teams?! I love Kaz, but where has he been? can anyone on the bench other than Barnes be expected to bring some game consistently?! and please, don't use the excuse that Nelson has to play them more to get them to play better - not when every game is going to matter for the playoffs ... time for the training wheels to come off: NBA
I do consider it fair - more than fair - to evaluate Mullin on how he uses the TPE
by hardcore on
Jan 22, 2008 4:07 PM PST
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Questions:
Now after we add up to 10mil in salary to make this team at least slightly better, how do you propose we handle the offseason?
Do you think that we will have the opportunity to get a player that will make up for the future absence of AB and/or Monta?
I just don't see any way that we use the TPE on a non-expiring contract and keep the youth here. It sounds to me like you are setting Mullin up to fail by setting unrealistic expectations.
How do you propose we turn the TPE into someone worth using the TPE on?
Unless a top tier player suddenly becomes available I don't see any major moves coming down taking advantage of the TPE beyond this year.
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by olympicmike on
Jan 22, 2008 4:36 PM PST
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More on the bench
More to the point, whats the alternative? You want to overpay for some mediocre bench players who are "veterans" but suck?
Mullin deserves criticism for two mistakes:
- Faith in Troy Hudson, which I disagreed with from the start. A younger option with actual talent and without the health issues was obviously the target, but we settled for that piece of crap.
- Bringing back Pietrus, failure to secure James Posey. One doesn't know how to play basketball and has banked on casual basketball minds' faith in his "defense". It was all reputation and potential with no production to support it. Posey, on the other hand, actually does play defense, contributing 22 minutes a game to one of the league's better defenses (yes it helps to have Garnett, but it wouldn't be as good as it was without a 3rd swingman to spell Pierce and Allen and matchup).
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by OptionZero on
Jan 22, 2008 4:39 PM PST
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the middle way
yes your young players who have the ability to improve to the NBA level should be played and developed - Nelson has played Kaz, he has played and developed AB last year and this, he is playing CJ right out of the Dleague (who is the answer to your Hudson mistake) so Nelson is playing young guys - not enough for you I understand
AND we have our share of mediocre bench players - MP, Cro (though I'm holding out hope he will contirbute with health increasing), Kosta, etc.
Bringing back MP was a tactical gamble - you remember we didn't know whether Barnes would return and tendered MP a contract. Had only one of them returned we would have had some more manuevering room with the roster. Posey was never an option that we could pull the trigger on for whatever reason at the time, and he may or may not have given us more than what we have now.
Nelson's discipline, as you call it, to rest Baron may be alleviated by CJ - sans that there's really not much else he can do with this roster. Which would bring me back to Mullin, but read above or below for that ... I fault Nelson for having absolutely zero half court sets other than a pick and roll to score on, for not forcing his club to drive more often. But, who am I?
by hardcore on
Jan 22, 2008 9:13 PM PST
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answers
first preface: examine the Nelson-Warriors of old and you will see that every year there was a good deal of roster churning - he won't stand pat
second preface: I assume most personnel moves Mullin makes now are with Nelson's blessing (CJ the exception to the rule)
third preface: I want to win NOW. I don't care about whether we keep all our potential players.
fourth preface: (can I stall some more before I lose your patience? didn't think so - here goes.)
We simply won't have Monta, AB, and everyone else back, so premising the use of the TPE on how do we bring everyone back while using it is faulty reasoning. My guess is Monta has the most value second to AB, and we will not let AB go because we no depth there while we do with Kaz. With CJ behind Monta, Kaz, and Jackson we are solid at the 1-2-3. I doubt we can move Harrington this year, and I want to keep AB, so the odd man out is Monta. If losing Monta made us better this year, and deeper inside, and the player we get using the TPE is of such quality that Nelson wants him next year enough to come back why wouldn't we? I'm not as down on Monta as say, OZ, but if it means making us better now and in the near future well, no one is untouchable.
As for setting Mullin up for a fall, he did that quite well himself with those contracts - which all this is still tied to. I just want him to own up for cleaning up his mess.
more below in answer to the rest ...
by hardcore on
Jan 22, 2008 8:59 PM PST
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Fair enough...
Your Third preface is interesting to me. It's as if you assume that all it takes to win now, is deciding to win now. I'm sure at least two thirds of the GM's in the league are in "win-now-mode".
Hey if you can find a player that we could get for Monta that would make us a legit "win-now" contender I would be the first one on the bandwagon, but I don't see anyone like that available right now.
Gasol is the only guy out there that seems to be "available" who is at or near the franchise player level. The problem here is that if we acquired him (not an easy task in itself) we would almost certainly need to change our entire system to suit him. Changing the way you play and making major changes to your roster in the middle of a season where you are on pace for 48 wins... well you'd have to really believe in the guy you were bringing in.
I guess my point is this: If there is no real upgrade that becomes available for Monta and draft picks, you can't blame Mullin for not making a move (though something tells me you will blame him anyway). Sitting on the TPE and letting it expire may very well be the correct move.
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by olympicmike on
Jan 22, 2008 10:08 PM PST
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Garnett
That we would have had to pay Garnett a massive extension and jump into lux tax land yet still pursued him should foreclose any argument that we aren't trying to win now.
Deciding to win now is one step, lucking into a situation that allows you to do that is quite another.
As I've explained before, championship status requires some degree of luck.
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by OptionZero on
Jan 22, 2008 10:14 PM PST
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On top of everything else...
Truth of the matter is, this team is going to try to win a championship, but they're going to try to do it the way Don Nelson always wants it. They're gonna shoot a crapload of threes, play scramble defense, be absolutely bats**t insane for 48 minutes, and hope beyond hope that they can scrap, shoot, and claw their way through the playoffs. Is it likely? Not particularly. I'd say the nature of our team gives it a better chance than say, the Utah Jazz who's flaws remain static due to their strict coach, or the Houston Rockets who're relying on a superstar who gets about 2 miles per gallon. But it isn't what you'd call a probable scenario, nor would it ever be for an NBA team.
The fact is, the Celtics with Pierce, Allen, and Garnett will probably not win the championship. They might be better equipped to than anyone else, but there's no way they have a better than 50% chance to win it, it's just the nature of sport.
by Zack Vank on
Jan 22, 2008 10:46 PM PST
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Agree and Disagree
I agree with you on Mullin. But, I don't blame Mullin specifically for this game. If he does not improve what is clearly a flawed team, then he's failing at his job. If he chooses to let the TPE expire and not acquire any help for a win now team, then I'd be very upset.
I disagree with you on the bench players. I don't think you can expect them to be productive consistently, given their lack of experience and inconsistent minutes. Sometimes I go in for 4 minutes, other time I sit for 6 games at a time. Getting them consistent, expected minutes lets you find out if you have anything from each of those players, lets them develop and gives you a chance to teach them in game situations. Yes, every game is important, but we're dealing with an 82 game season. You need a bench. You just can't play your best players 40 minutes a game every single game. And if Nellie isn't playing them because they simply can't be successful even if they were given minutes to develop, then Mullin needs to get him some help.
by Fantasy Junkie on
Jan 22, 2008 4:41 PM PST
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Long Term View
As a fan, I appreciate what we do have; but as a "believer" I am holding out for the promised land.
You call me ancient, I say "oldguysrule"
by commish on
Jan 22, 2008 7:36 PM PST
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Timeout
Question is, why not opt for full timeout and inbound from half court? Not implying outcome of game would have been different...simply looking for clarification. Thanks.
by mitsmon on Jan 22, 2008 4:29 PM PST 0 recs
The ball...
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by olympicmike on
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crappy game...lots of peeps we can blame
SO....GSOM night 2. How we lookin? I bought my tix last week from Chris and I think are in the first 500 to get the t-shirts. Can't wait to get stupid, dumb, and hyphy with the GSOM folks!!!

We Believe!!!
by crossphaded on Jan 22, 2008 5:05 PM PST 0 recs
Titrating what it takes...
Every team, every year has to retool to find their "seasonal sweet spot" - that amount of energy in whatever form it is - to win consistently without leaving everything out there on the floor so there is nothing for the back-to-back or nagging flu bug/back injury/leg contusions....or coaching/front office blind spots.
by streetballer on Jan 22, 2008 5:23 PM PST 0 recs
VOTE BARON (neon green sign).
by EmceeT on Jan 22, 2008 8:39 PM PST 0 recs
Mullin
Our expectations for this team are way too high. You can't go from perennial scrub team to championship contender overnight, especially considering we're still paying $6+mil of our payroll to Mr. Foyle to warm the bench for the ManChild over in Orlando.
If they let the TPE expire I'm not gonna hate them. Cuz if they don't let it expire, you can say goodbye to either Monta or Biedrins or both. We've been underpaying for the talent of Monta and Biedrins for a long time. Young talented players with expiring rookie contracts are something every team in the NBA has to deal with sooner or later. You can't hope to pay and retain young talent without giving up something. JRich was the guy we had to give up, and he was the most moveable and replaceable chunk of payroll on the squad.
So much Mullin bashing, but what has he really done wrong lately? Troy Hudson was not the most exciting move, but remember that when we signed him we believed he was meant to be just an emergency 3rd string PG. Monta was meant to develop at the point during training camp but he suffered that injury. Who else could we have signed to be our 3rd string PG for the minimum? Remember, it takes two to tango. The free agent had to have WANTED to come here and be the third string point guard to Baron Davis and Ellis, on a team that everyone else sees as overrated, while getting paid the league minimum. Not every free agent PG is going to jump at that golden opportunity.
Austin Croshere? Solid move, sure surprised the hell out of me.
DJ MBenga? Worth a shot, and a nice call on not retaining him. No foul there.
Matt Barnes re-signing? Bargain.
Pietrus re-signing? Bargain.
Wright, Belinelli, Perovic? To be determined.
Declining POB's team option? Nelly won't play him anyway. You don't force players onto Nelly's roster that he doesn't want.
CJ Watson? Paying dividends thus far.
No contract extensions for Biedrins and Monta? Solid move, they're not trying to bid against themselves anymore.
Azubuike? Definite bargain.
To all the Mullin haters, tell me how you would have run the offseason differently. And please no responses like "getting Grant Hill for the minimum" or "trading Baron, Biedrins, and Monta for Kobe" or any other impossible scenarios.
by jlagace on Jan 22, 2008 8:41 PM PST 0 recs
Nice comment
by Atma Brother ONE on
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WTF
Atma's right, Mullin does deserve his own diary entry to regurgitate and re-digest his history as GM and why his mistakes are still crimping us today. No GM is perfect. But if you want to see a great turnaround both on the floor and on the books, look at what the Blazers have done in the last 12 months - astute personnel evaluation, trades, and that doesn't include the #1 pick who isn't even in uniform.
by hardcore on
Jan 22, 2008 9:28 PM PST
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The blazers
They are basically doing this year what we are doing this year. Going from expected failure to relative success. The Blazer front office hasn't been in power long enough to be evaluted, much less compared to Mullin, who's been on the job longer.
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by OptionZero on
Jan 22, 2008 10:10 PM PST
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well, which roster would you rather have?
I think it's disingenuous to say we can't measure the success of the Blazer front office against Mullin's because they're less experienced than Mullin who's experience should make him better!
I was responding to jlagace's assertion that "You can't go from perennial scrub team to championship contender overnight ... " yet the Blazers may have - thanks to what you correctly call the good luck of drafting well in years where great talent was available. Championship contender? Maybe not yet, but add the centerpiece and wa-la! But they also made some pretty shrewd evaluations and trades ... Mullin's "great" trades have come along when poor fortune has hit other teams (Baron, Indy trade) rather than his own research (and I remain convinced both those trades only became good due to Nelson's presence).
The most recent Mullin-researched pick being the Euro-vet Bellinelli, has underperformed. Yes, he could use more time before we completely label him with "Mullin's latest draft bust" but he's a candidate for induction.
by hardcore on
Jan 22, 2008 10:37 PM PST
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the centerpiece
Oh, if the blazers added the centerpiece, watch out!
Did you read my diary? Well, if you didn't, I couldn't blame you cuz there's no way to find it in the midst of all the "other" stuff we have the "privilege" of reading.
It's ridiculously hard to find "the centerpiece". You make it sound as if the Blazers are a hair's breadth away from being champions- how much closer are they than we are? If they are, is that gap a significant one?
Honestly, are they any closer to magically adding a "centerpiece" than we are? Did you hear THEIR names in the Garnett mix? Is there any name on the block now that they could realistically get that makes them "championship contenders"? Maybe if they trade Oden for Duncan, eh?
I've been critical of Mullin; you couldn't call me a Mullin apologist. Wright over Noah; the failure to secure a movable expiring contract with the TPE prior to the season; Pietrus being alive still. Yet even I do not begrudge the situation we are in- light years ahead of our historical ineptitude, better situated than more than half the teams in the league.
Which roster would i rather have? Well, that's a pretty stupid question because it's impossible to switch. I know I'd rather have last year's Warriors than last year's Blazers, right? Wouldn't you? Teams do not start from the same starting line, the timelines for each team is different, and we'd have to go back pretty far to find a common point that'd be "fair" to measure from, assuming such a point exists.
And while we're dreaming of rosters to swap, why don't I just take the Celtics, Pistons, Suns, or Spurs. That would solve your game pretty easily, right?
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by OptionZero on
Jan 22, 2008 11:42 PM PST
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hard to keep up with all the
seriously, their center - Oden is the centerpiece I was referring to, and they just have to wait and hope he's healthy and even nearly as good as expected (and not another Okufor)
as for whether or not the question is stupid, it was rhetorical - again, as in which of the front offices are doing a better job - Portland or GS. I say Portland despite less time, less experience, and less ardent fan support etc. than Mullin has at his disposal. Ridiculing the roster comparison adds nothing to the conversation other than sarcasm. I respect your knowledge more than that.
- I hear you, we are both critical of Mullin, myself more so than you
- I agree we are in better shape than many franchises
- I want more from Mullin - imo he hasn't even balanced the ledger yet from the mess he'd made over the past couple years. Utilizing the TPE intelligently will balance it imo as that is the final piece of the JRich saga. I'm not suggesting he spend it on just anyone, or put us in another bind ...
by hardcore on
Jan 23, 2008 8:54 AM PST
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the blazers
Mullin's already built a playoff team.
The Blazers, for all the praise or jealousy you might heap upon them, have not done so.
At best, then, the comparison is incomplete, if you want to wait to see how this year goes.
Otherwise, Mullin's made the playoffs once and the Blazers have got half a season of surprising success.
No Warrior fan will tell you they would have been as happy with last season's 42 wins with the playoffs as they would be without the playoffs. Not one.
What the Blazers have done so far, then, must necessarily fall short of what Mullin has done so far.
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by OptionZero on
Jan 23, 2008 4:56 PM PST
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GSW a playoff team
Portland is the only team to suffer a major injury to a potential star and certainly a starting player and still be so high in the standings. Not jealousy, just realism.
Western CONF
Phoenix
New Orleans
L.A. Lakers
Portland
Dallas
San Antonio
Denver
Golden State
Utah
Houston
Sacramento
L.A. Clippers
Memphis
Seattle
Minnesota
Half a season, got it. You want to give Portland an INC thus far, ok, I contend they've come further quicker with a less experienced front office and are better situated to maintain their superiority to us as we are currently constructed ... certainly, we'll revisit this later in the season ...
by hardcore on
Jan 23, 2008 9:46 PM PST
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ok
You downplayed our playoffs last year as a team that caught fire; how do we know it's not the Blazers on a similar streak right now, only to tail off? Neither of us do.
Hence my INC grade.
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by OptionZero on
Jan 24, 2008 1:59 PM PST
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You're correct
But dating back to last season, he's done a good job of getting us out of it, what more can you ask for? What's done is done, but he's making the right moves now.
He's done a couple nice things in the past as well:
Getting one of the league's most dominant point guards for Dale Davis? Check.
Getting rid of Murphleavy for two players that have become above average players for Nellie? Check.
Drafting those two guys Ellis and Biedrins? Check.
We gotta take the good with the bad. Yeah the front office put the team in a hole, but then they dug us back out and made us into a playoff team.
by jlagace on
Jan 23, 2008 1:42 AM PST
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addressed above
by hardcore on
Jan 23, 2008 8:57 AM PST
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Spoiled.
Stop complaining and do something positive with your life.
by EmceeT on
Jan 23, 2008 11:03 AM PST
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Maybe the Twolves aren't so bad after all
by Calamity on Jan 23, 2008 7:13 PM PST 0 recs
The Wolves killing the suns AGAIN
by racsan on Jan 23, 2008 9:18 PM PST 0 recs
It is the way we lost
You call me ancient, I say "oldguysrule"
by commish on
Jan 23, 2008 10:58 PM PST
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