Recap Part Duece: Warriors 99, Mavs 121 - Pass the Crow Please.
Well I hope you enjoyed that little trip down memory lane last night. We thought it would be kind of fun to put that up as a little gift for visiting Mavs fans. Especially ones who couldn't seem to locate their caps lock key.
Hey Mavs fans... "HIGH FIVE!"
The truth of last night wasn't pretty to say the least...
Last night the Dubs got a serious wake-up call as the Mavs pulled out all stops to show them that they are truly a force to be reckoned with. Now keep in mind, I refer to it as a "wake-up call", rather than a "reality check", because in reality, we can match up to Dallas way better than we displayed tonight. Hell we can own them, can't we?!
Not if our star player goes 2 for 14 from the field.
Not if we get outscored by thirteen points in the first quarter.
Not if we get outscored by eighteen points in the final quarter.
Not if Dampier is allowed to drop 13 on us. (Ouch!)
Not if we get out-boarded 50 to 35.
But our heads should still be held high. We came off a solid road trip and regardless of our history against this team, it's not like we were playing the Timberwolves out there.
Let's hop to the jump and figure a few things out together, shall we?
Okay, first things first. We here at GSoM may have allegedly poked, prodded and talked a little, well some may call it, "trash", to some of the Mavs bloggers out there. So in the wake of our defeat tonight, the GSoM crew proudly stands together to tip our caps to our boy Wes at Mavs Moneyball and Tim MacMahon at The Dallas Morning News. In addition, we shall now grab our forks to get down on some home cooked Humble Pie. (In case you can't tell, this ain't nothing new to us boys. We've been eating Humble Pie for years.)
Got Humble Milk?
Just don't make the mistake of thinking we're going to talk any less trash next time around. It's going to take a lot more than a couple of regular season wins to erase (all together now) THE GREATEST UPSET IN NBA HISTORY!! In all seriousness though, stay up guys and thanks for being great sports.
Now let's talk a little bit about the game. I think it's pretty safe to say that any game we play (be it against the Dallas Mavericks or the L.A. Sparks) where Baron and Jack are having off nights is going to result in a loss. Granted, Jack was able to turn on the heat as the game progressed, and for that we are truly thankful. But we did not see the Boom/Jack combo that we saw in our magical playoff run last year. And for that... well, I'm pretty sure that Dallas is thankful.
From a defensive standpoint... well, what can I say... we got trounced. Dallas truly came with their A-game with 6 of their players scoring in double digits. In the first half, Howard and Harris were swerving around us in the paint like we were traffic cones and they were some kind of professional traffic cone swervers.
"DE-FENSE!!" (bang bang)
Let's just stop for a second and reflect on how horrendous that last analogy was. Seriously, I should be ashamed of myself. I don't even think "swervers" is a word. Let's move on.
Perhaps the most glaring flaw in our defense last night was displayed in the numbers that Dirk put up. Our greatest pride of last year's games against the Mavs was our ability to contain the Geico Caveman. Last night, however, we had our hands full enough attempting to slow down Harris, Howard, Stackhouse, Bass, and Dampier. (Seriously dudes... Bass and Dampier?!) And when all of those guys are draining buckets and all of our guys are forced to contain so many potential scorers, where does that leave Dirk? Let's just say he has more good news than saving a ton of money on his car insurance.
I think we angered it.
But the Warriors do as the Warriors do, and despite holes in our defense and our sub par offense, we found ourselves within 4 at the end of the third quarter. At that point, with the momentum behind us, we found ourselves in the position of being able to get a couple of quick scores and be right back into this ballgame. Instead, we got a couple of useless fouls and turned over the ball 3 times in the first two minutes. Ouch.
Okay, let's move on to some of the positives. In the wake of a lackluster game by Baron (it's really tough to come down on him after he's carried us so many times), it was refreshing to see such confident shooting from Harrington. TMNT had the serious hot hand out there plunking 20 down in the first half and going 4 for 6 from deep all night! And he took them all from the exact same spot! Nellie should consider nailing Al's feet to the floor on that 45 degree angle by the arc because that is seriously his bread and butter shot. And should Nellie decide to go with my suggestion, he might want to make sure he gets Al a tetanus shot soon after. Y'know, cuz of infection and all... From the nails...
On second thought, maybe he just tells TMNT to shoot from that area more often. Judging from last night's performance, this tactic should prove to be more offensively potent as well as infection free. And that's a combination that I think we can all get down with.
Harrington clearing a lane for his jumper.
Other positives of the game included:
- Monta's Academy Award Winning flop in the 2nd against Eddie Jones. I know he actually did get hit in the chin and it actually was a foul but seriously, that replay was classic. I've seen Olympic divers with less arch in their back.
- Did anyone else see Beans drive the ball from the arc and take Damp to the hole? I didn't know that man could dribble!
- Belinelli, Wright, and POB got some minutes. Actually there was nothing positive about the time they spend on the court. If anything it showed us why they have been spending so little time on the court in previous games.
Okay, now I'm just being harsh for no reason. Truth be told, the Warriors had a successful road trip and lost to a very good NBA team tonight. That's all there is to it. Sure they played a messy game but these things happen, even to the best of teams. Even to one that pulled off THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF THE NBA!!!!!
Any excuse to bring that up.
Gotta give it to TMNT Harrington. When the rest of the Dubs were down, his sniper-like shooting kept us within reach of the game. He had the heart of a Warrior out there.
This slice is for you, Al.
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recap was too long
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Game Last Night
THE HEART AND SOUL OF THE W'S
Pathetic losers
by MissingLinkJackson on Jan 3, 2008 8:44 AM PST reply actions
Temper, temper...
And they call us classless...
How much class does it take to call someone you don't know a moron because you're team beat mine? Missinglinkjackson, how old are you? 5 years old?
Best duo since...
by Tim N Chris Burger on Jan 3, 2008 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
Gotta Give It Up to the Mavs
Gotta give it up to the Mavs though. They pretty much dominated this game and looked like the better team tonight. Props to Dirk, Harris, Damp (god it pains me to say that one), Jo-Ho, Stackhouse, and new Warrior Killer Brandon Bass. Gotta give it up to Avery Johnson for coming up with a nice game plan as well. They deserved this win, the Warriors didn't.
It was only a few short months ago that I predicted this Mavs team to rebound and win it all in 2008 as long as they didn't face the Warriors in the playoffs: http://probasketball.about.com/od/goldenstatewarriors/a/0708GSWpreview_2.htm
They aren't getting much hype right now, but I wouldn't count them out of it. The Mavs are still a very, very good team and probably the only team that could beat the Spurs in a 7 game series.
On the whole the Warriors looked pretty awful tonight. I have no idea who was wearing #5 tonight on the Warriors, but it's all good- the man has been phenomenal this season. BD deserves an off night now and then. Jack didn't look right either, but that's all good too. It really doesn't help when Monta, Biedrins, Barnes, and Kaz don't step up.
This is one of those games where Mavs Killer J-Rich's absence really, really hurts the Warriors. One of the major reasons the Warriors have been able to OWN the Mavs over the past few years is because of the BoomRich backcourt- they're just too strong, athletic, and fiery for the Mavs. With Jason gone, the Warriors don't have that edge any more. It's much harder for the Warriors to beat the Mavs now.
The Warriors aren't very deep and have a very thin margin of error because of that silly draft day trade and offseason acquisitions Belinelli, Wright, POB (at least retaining him), and Kosta aren't giving them anything. Trading away a solid rotation guy and the team's 2nd best offensive option for nothing this year was a mistake, but that's another topic for another time. Hopefully in a few weeks we don't have to talk about how BD and Jack burned out or injured because of all the minutes they have to play and heavy load on their shoulders because JRich is on the BETcats. The Warriors need to make a deal for a guy Nellie will play big minutes.
Still tonight's nice win for the Mavs doesn't change a thing. The Golden State Warriors still pulled off the greatest upset of all time last season. That was unforgettable and so much fun. No one can ever take that away from us. No Cuban lawsuit and no foolish whining from Mavs fans.
If anything the Mavs winning 2 in a row against the Warriors just makes things much more interesting. I think we're starting to have a real rivalry here. Before it was just the Warriors dominating the Mavs- just like the Lakers dominating the Warriors. You can't have a rivalry if the outcomes are just so one-sided and it doesn't look like that's going to be the case so much anymore.
It also doesn't change the fact that Mavs fans are soft and have only tepid support for the gifts Mark Cuban has given them over the years. We Believers in the Bay could only be so lucky to have a guy like Cuban owning the lone Bay Area hoops squad.
Mark your calendars for March 30th! WE BELIEVE.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 3, 2008 9:26 AM PST reply actions
very well said
... Trading away a solid rotation guy and the team's 2nd best offensive option for nothing this year was a mistake ...
There's alot more attributable to success than individual point averages, beginning with the ability of the players to gell and work as a team. JRich had a way of priming the BD pump and their energy played well off each other.
Yea, I know, it's old news, I need to move on, the team is in a much better financial position because of the trade, BWright is oozing with potential, yada yada yada.
Still. . .
This is a tough stretch, as we all know. But the W's simply HAVE to start using their bench -- and that includes BW and Marco -- if they're going to have anything left for the playoffs at year end. (And that assumes no one gets injured from playing too much -- and I suspect they're pushing the envelope on that right now.)
We'll see if Nellie can meet this coaching challenge with a little more long-range vision.
by johnl on Jan 3, 2008 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
long-range vision
But I think you nailed it- Nellie has no real long-range vision because he's probably not going to be here too much longer. He wants to win now and I couldn't agree with him any more.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 3, 2008 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
We don't disagree, but. . . .
The fact that Nellie's short term doesn't alter this dynamic. Absent something wildly unforeseen, Nellie'll still finish this year -- but if he keeps playing BD and Jack as he has, it's likely neither will be around or be playing their best come April -- when Nellie starts playing his swan song.
In short, I don't think Nellie needs long-range vision; he just can't be continually trapped in the moment -- if he wants this team to get anywhere in the post-season.
by johnl on Jan 4, 2008 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
A LOss
Though it was a loss
Ballin
Ummm....
The Mavs are one of the NBA's top 5 teams. They're very strong at home. We were coming off two tough road Ws. BD played a horrible game. Jax didn't play well. Oh, and the Mavs were on fire from outside (50% for the game). Let's not overreact again because we lost one game where we did not play well against a GREAT TEAM.
I still see a 9 game stretch later this month where we shouldn't lose a game. I still see a 7-3 February and winning records in March/April. If we win the games we should we will get to 50 wins. So I feel safe in predicting 46-47 wins and a first round matchup with the Suns.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jan 3, 2008 10:46 AM PST reply actions
J-Rich owns the Mavs
by AntiLaker on Jan 3, 2008 10:50 AM PST reply actions
Your opinion
In 22 games v. the Mavs JRich's stats are right around what they are for his career -- very slightly better. And the so-called "Mavs' Killer's" career regular season record against the Mavericks is 8-14, with I think all but one of those wins coming after Baron arrived.
More tellingly: right now the team overall is better than they were at any point in JRich's glorious reign.
But that's the good thing about arbitrarily deciding that the lack of JRich was the deciding factor in these two losses: no one can dispute it, and even when the numbers suggest you're probably wrong, you can fall back on "well, he meant so much more than just numbers..."
The lack of JRich may be a small factor in these losses, or it may not. Personally, I think the factors listed by OZ a couple posts below are far more convincing, given that they're based on actual hoops observation rather than conjecture, hyperbole (e.g. "JRich owns Dallas"), and sentiment.
All Credit to the Mavs
Funny thing is that even though when I turned it on with the W's down 11 in the 3rd, I had this sense that it would not be a blowout but that the W's only had to make a charge and could actually win. That's a huge change from the last 10 years.
Baron going 2 for 14 is hard to explain. Even so they played hard and almost won. The W's were lazy though on the high post pick letting Harris, Stack and Terry just waltz into the middle of the lane.
JRich would not have made a difference.
Obviously...
but honestly, the mavs couldnt have played any better last night, and the warriors couldnt have played any worse. i mean, baron, 2-14 is NOT gonna cut it, especially against the mavs. at least the warriors somewhat showed up, with big al going for 20pts in the first half. when they started the 4th i thought the game was in the warriors pockets, but they just keep pumping round after round into their feet. it was very tough for me to watch.
by KINGofCRASH on Jan 3, 2008 10:55 AM PST reply actions
repost from "recap 1"
1. Paul Westphal's influence on their offensive sets will make the Mavs less stagnant offensively.
The Warriors couldn't do jack to stop the Mavs all night. They got any shot they wanted on offense- anything. And they made most of them.
2. Josh Howard getting more touches (and by extension, Dirk fewer) will have an impact.
Howard lit us up. No lie.
3. Brandan Bass solves many of their problems on both ends of the court because he's a mobile, athletic big man...the kind that crush us.
Bass dropped 10/12/2 on us last time, 12/11/1 this time....in 21 minutes.
4. Terry off the bench
Without both Terry and Harris on the floor, there was one less defensive liability. Terry was 4/7 for 9 pts with 6 dimes as the Dallas bench (of which Bass was a part as well) continued the onslaught.
Culprits for tonight's embarassment?
Stephen Jackson and Baron Davis; the captains that didn't bother to show up. Seriously, they are the limit on this team. Their inefficiency (Jack was 8/21 with 4 turnovers; Baron was 2/14 with 3) doomed us and will continue to doom us against quality opponents.
They get the most touches. They commit a buncha turnovers and brick alot of shots. We can win despite this when someone else (Al, Ellis) has a terrific night and the opponent is mediocre or worse...but such was not the case.
As I've been harping on OVER AND OVER, the fouling problem is just that, a problem. No one mentions it (Barnett does), but it absolutely hurts us. The pace slows, the other team gets extra easy buckets.
We HAVE to win the turnover battle by a significan t margin to win against good teams, but it's starting to look like th e early season differential was a fluke. We've been coughing up the ball and our o pponents have been living in the bonus for many, many games now.
There's a buncha causes:
Coaching, because someone needs to train these guys NOT TO FOUL SO MUCH, manage minutes, get people focused.
Baron and Jack, for poor shot selection and atrocious decision making.
The bench, for being absolute dolts. Pietrus and Barnes come off the bench and the other refs should just trigger the bonus on the spot. Shoot.
These are serious issues that need to be addressed.
END REPOST
What Pree wrote is also applicable: we don't always bring the energy. Hello, we're playing the Mavs? Not showing up for the Mavs, playing down to the Twolves and Grizz...all signs of immaturity or sheer stupidity. If you can't shoot it's one thing, if your head isn't in the game and u don't bring any effort, th at's another.
Ellis fouling Harris on a 3P and another long J? Mental.
Pietrus fouling Stack at the LOGO?
Mental
Jack's shot selection?
Mental
and so it goes
A Golden state of mind Indeed.
AIM: Jetforze
by OptionZero @ Golden State Of Mind on Jan 3, 2008 11:09 AM PST reply actions
Amen.
by KINGofCRASH on Jan 3, 2008 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
so...
about jack/bd being the limit on our team.. what do you propose? a trade? if that's the case you're just asking for us to rebuild again in my opinion.
they are the captains of the team. isn't a captain's job supposed to lead the team and take the shots and make the decisions when the team needs it the most?
as far as i'm concerned they gave us a good effort despite their poor shooting and decision making. at least they tried. what you feel is a bad shot in your mind may not be a bad shot in their minds. you think they are stupid for taking those shots. they may think you are stupid for thinking those are bad shots. it goes either way.
besides. baron's been playing real well other than last night. he has one bad game or maybe a few and you're already calling him a limit? i highly disagree with that.
i would take baron anyday in the 4th. he has rarely disappointed me.
Baron and Jack
It's possible that they prop us up and drag us down at the same time.
Baron is a superstar; Jack is a bit miscast as the "Second best" player on the team- and that's the role he's given, whether you think he's the second most talented guy or not. He gets the most touches and has biggest role of all non-Baron players, yet he coughs up the ball and bricks the ball at a ridiculous rate. At the same time he's also a matchup nightmare and our best perimeter defender, so...
I never had I had a solution, just an observation.
A Golden state of mind Indeed.
AIM: Jetforze
by OptionZero @ Golden State Of Mind on Jan 3, 2008 5:41 PM PST up reply actions
Did anybody notice
What we really needed to do was to get some more fast break opportunities and pick up the pace. We are so much better than them in the open court, but they slowed it down and were just bigger and stronger than us. "The one man fast break" monta ellis wasn't doing his thing leaking out and getting break away dunks, and we weren't really getting the stops to throw it up the court and fast break.
Who noticed how they stopped our running game early with fouls and stuff. They would just grab a warrior if we were about to get a break. The mavs must have had that game plan to slow down the warriors and they really stopped us early and we never really got going.
If we could have picked up the pace and Jackson and Baron could have had better games, we would have been in it. But, like many, i believe that Jason Richardson was just so key in our victories over the mavs.
by Proof on Jan 3, 2008 11:17 AM PST reply actions
Is it just me, or...
by KINGofCRASH on Jan 3, 2008 11:41 AM PST reply actions
asdf
We lost to a very good team that's very good on their home floor. Let's go beat the Hornets at home.
What I really want to know is why Al was on fire in the first half, but took only 2 shots in the second half. I'd really like to see this team feed the hot hand a little better.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Jan 3, 2008 11:56 AM PST reply actions
Richardson...
That said, we were down four going into the fourth, and the loss in Oakland was close, too. And, of course, we won't end up paying 10M+ per year on a guy with a limited bag of tricks like Richardson for the next however long.
By the way...
I'm not one of those that name calls and though a tough-talker and a bit witty, I will not resort to being classless on your blog. That's disrespectful...with that said, I must say that you guys are right about a lot (the Mavs can play good defense...even Dirk had 2 blocks and a rebound on the same possession; Dampier can be an impact on defense and offense, Bass is a monster...that's his nickname; and "Steakhouse" as you call him is a 3-point killer), but the Mavs aren't really trying to prove anything in the regular season. (Like many of your fans have said...on our blog...2 wins in the regular season mean NOTHING!!!)
I know what everyone says about how this is GREAT, but you must remember (I'm sure you didn't forget) that 67 wins didn't mean anything and neither did 2-0 against the Heat. The Mavs just want to get to the playoffs so they can get the ring...by now, it's the only thing they care about. We have the West trophy, we've been to the Finals, we've made history, we have an MVP, now we want a ring...
Again, congrats on history...let's now look to the future to see what these 2 teams can do!
can't say the same for...
it's like he/she/it was waiting for an eternity to get that out of their system. lmao. let it go already.
see you at the roaracle in march. it won't be any easier than it was last night. hell you guys were having a lot of trouble despite our poor shooting until the fourth quarter.
i guarantee a bounce back game for baron. you'll see...
As much as I agree w/ U about missinglink
Best duo since...
by Tim N Chris Burger on Jan 3, 2008 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
See what I mean...
lol dude...
and tex don't act like you're an angel. i'm sure you've done your share of shit talk. we all have pride in our team and rep them as best we can. some more extreme than others...
p.s.
i admit defeat about last nights game nonetheless. mavs played a great game. i'm just saying. don't expect the same outcome next time :). we'll be ready!
Oh...I see...hardy har har...;-)
P.S. I'm not a dude...I just love sports like one! ;-) I am no angel...awful close though! It's good to be proud of your area and your team. I have never been to Cali, so, why would I trash it. Though, you must realize, many GSW fans have said their share about Texas (again, note...I did NOT vote for the president...and he was NOT born in Texas and I am no redneck hillbilly country fool). To each his...or her own. Again I say, good luck to you and your team.
P.S. If the Mavs struggled and won by 22, just wait until they have a good game against your team!! What will the final score be then? ZING!! Just "jabbing" you back a bit!! Happy New Year!!
:-)
ah...i can feel the sarcasm. lmao.
i look at it from this point of view (biased but hey, i'm a dubs fan for life):
you guys brought your A-game against us. we struggled all night to get our shots down, playing from behind all night and yet, we were only down 4 to start the 4th. kinda says something eh? ;)
now, imagine if we brought our A-game along with yours.
we ran out of gas simply, just like when we lost in jersey.
p.s.: i never trashed your city or state unless someone else did one on my area first. only when provoked
well this is the last thing i'm gonna say on the matter. i'm getting ready to watch the warriors play the hornets tmrrw. gonna be a great game.
so lets put the gloves back on and leave them on until march 30th.
Realistically.....
In the ultra competitive Western Conference, the Warriors can't simply afford to give games away. But give the Mavs credit, they were focused and essentially outplayed the Warriors for most of the game.
While the Warriors didn't exactly mail the game in, it seemed to me the Warriors felt like they didn't have anything to prove. They gave it an effort but couldn't get it done.
No one should be surprised the Mavs came out playing hard with a chip on their shoulders. They want to gain back some of the respect lost from the playoff series last year.
I think the true test for both teams will be if the Mavs/Warriors play again this season in the playoffs. That would be a series worth watching.

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