OPEN THREAD: NBA Trade Deadline, 12pm PST
Originally Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 08:56:13 AM PDT
The NBA trading deadline is today at 1pm - just a few hours away. Are the Warriors going to make a deal? Are any more NBA deals going down? Heck, if you have a trade question you can ask Chad Ford of ESPN.
Let's start this off with some general NBA trade rumors from Marc Stein of ESPN.
Ron Artest
It sounds like the Kings would indeed rather move Artest than keep him at this point, given that they're unlikely to re-sign him in the summer and could use the final 29 games to get an even better feel for what John Salmons and their three point guards (Beno Udrih, Anthony Johnson and Tyronn Lue) can do. But Denver is still showing reluctance.
And here are some more trade rumors from Chad Ford. He writes about 15 teams in the article and the Warriors don't appear once. Either Mullin is being super secretive or nothing is brewing.
Post any rumors or actual trades (PROVIDE LINKS!) in this thread and discuss.
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Rumor: Rockets-Hornets Trade
This is just a rumor, but apparently the Hornets are looking to improve their depth by acquiring Mike James and Bonzi Wells in exchange, the Rockets get a backup PG in Jackson and some future salary cap help.
Different variations of the deal evolved Wednesday evening, and the Memphis Grizzlies had gotten involved in a possible three-team scenario. But the main part of the deal, essentially James and Wells for Jackson, was almost certain to go through before the 3 p.m. ET NBA trading deadline, according to multiple sources with knowledge of the talks.
by Fantasy Junkie on Feb 21, 2008 9:11 AM PST 0 recs
houston did well
by sam23 on
Feb 21, 2008 9:21 AM PST
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pietrus
by sam23 on Feb 21, 2008 9:22 AM PST 0 recs
Jermaine O'Neil
by Warriors219 on
Feb 21, 2008 12:08 PM PST
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please no...
by kinetic on
Feb 21, 2008 12:24 PM PST
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Please, no trades.
Elton Brand, O'Neil, or Artest aren't going to help us win a championship. I say we roll the dice with what we have, and let the other teams in the west give up all hope for a long-shot this year.
by AngelintheInfield on Feb 21, 2008 9:24 AM PST 0 recs
i HATE
by sam23 on
Feb 21, 2008 9:45 AM PST
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Sillyness...
Have you noticed all of the trade diaries? Not a single one of them has come up with something that will push us into title contention while simultaneously being a remotely sensible trade.
Unless Mully can fleece somebody, we're not going to make any "title contention" moves. Live with it. Wait till next year when the gambles that the Mavs/Suns took stop paying off.
by Dubs fan in Boston on
Feb 21, 2008 10:17 AM PST
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sillyness?
by sam23 on
Feb 21, 2008 10:44 AM PST
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If the question were:
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Artest for expirings to GSW
What's the difference? Regardless of whether they're in playoff contention this year, they'd still rather not help out a division rival, so he'd go to Denver. It's not a moot point. If we offered something better, they might bite, but we can't and we won't.
Regardless, Artest does not in any way make us a title contender. We still get owned by Utah, we still get owned by SA, and we've got a shot against Dallas, NO, Houston, Phx, LAL, DEN.
by Dubs fan in Boston on
Feb 21, 2008 11:40 AM PST
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Hahaha
In a way your proposed trade of sending Al + picks and expirings to Sac for Artest could be a move for the future. We'd get out from under Al's remaining two years and 18+MM. More cap room.
But getting Artest while giving up Harrington? That makes us better? umm..no. It'll probably make us worse because of the team chemistry and ball hogging attitude Ron has.
There's no one available that is going to vaunt us into the next tier of teams. We might as well make minor moves at most (such as moving MP, POB or Barnes) for something the FO feel we're lacking.
Making moves in the summer is the smartest decision.
by kenntoe on
Feb 21, 2008 10:21 AM PST
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Preach on Brotha!
by Dubs fan in Boston on
Feb 21, 2008 10:37 AM PST
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haha
2.harrington's contract isnt exactly killer, not someting we need to "get out from under."
3. team chemistry? everyone thought the jackson/harrington deal last year would disrupt our locker room. didnt exactly play out that way did it? artest gets along fine with jackson, who gets along with baron and those are the 2 captains and leaders. how do you figure it to be a disruption.
stop being so scared, take a chance. playing for the future wont get us anywhere. what do you think we'll suddenly be able to do over the summer that we cant now? in case you missed it the lakers will still have gasol, bynum, bryant, and odom next season. the hornets will still have paul, peja, chandler, and west. portland will be even better. utah will still have deron williams and boozer. the west is going to be tough for a LOOONG time, we arent going to wait out any of those teams.
by sam23 on
Feb 21, 2008 10:40 AM PST
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um, isiah is that you?
Artest's strengths offensively mirror BD's & Jack's (posting up smaller defenders). Sadly, he's not even the spot up shooter that Pietrus & Al are. Pietrus even has a better true shooting % than Artest and we all know Pietrus is shooting horribly this year. Artest is also a horrible foul shooter.
Artest rebounds? Okay... let's just ignore facts. You do realize he has a worse rebounding rate than Al & Pietrus? You could argue Al plays the 4 more than Artest does, but Pietrus? Everyone thought Al's rebounding rate would go up once he moved from the 3 to the 4, but it hasn't really changed.
Artest's main plus would be perimeter defense, but that's semi-negated by having him play the 4. Who knows if anyone actually fears him, but he might give you a mental advantage because everyone knows that, w/ him, it's not just a bad reputation, this guy is certifiably crazy. On the flip side, he could also deflate the dubs w/ unnecessary flagrant fouls or techs. Who knows how that affects the refs mindset - dubs might receive an even worse whistle.
If we didn't already have a similar player in Jack, I would be more willing to part w/ Al for Artest. Jack's not as good physically, but a lot tougher mentally. I would of only done the trade for part of the exception and Pietrus (maybe throw in POB too).
They do need an intimidator, but on the inside. They swung & missed w/ KG. Outside of Brand, there might not be anyone else available who fits that need.
by the evil monkey on
Feb 21, 2008 10:08 PM PST
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what?!
by sam23 on
Feb 21, 2008 10:48 AM PST
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i dont think mullin
i think if we should be happy with what we have and roll with it. why take a chance and take on elton, JO or artest for BW, Bellinili or draft picks? i know thats what teams are asking for cause i wouldnt ask for peitrus thats for sure!
by gogomaplata on
Feb 21, 2008 10:14 AM PST
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Randolph to the Nugs
I really wouldn't mind seeing Randolph in the Western conference where we'd get to abuse him an extra 1-2 games every year.

then we will fight in the shade.
by Swamp Thing on Feb 21, 2008 9:25 AM PST 0 recs
Oh yea but RUMOR

then we will fight in the shade.
by Swamp Thing on
Feb 21, 2008 9:26 AM PST
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i dont think
by gogomaplata on Feb 21, 2008 9:44 AM PST 0 recs
asdf
don't do me wrong mullie, don't do me wrong.
"TIMEOUT IN BARON'S HOUSE"
by the noTORious TOR on Feb 21, 2008 9:47 AM PST 0 recs
Please no sideways trades....
by ThermoElectro on Feb 21, 2008 9:56 AM PST 0 recs
Only 2 hours left
by GreenLightJerky on Feb 21, 2008 10:01 AM PST 0 recs
sounds like marion could be on the move again..
that would be dope for cleveland...hope it happens
by JudBooshlur on Feb 21, 2008 10:11 AM PST 0 recs
Ben Wallace to the Cavs
Chad Ford: (1:24 PM ET ) Maybe ... call was about Ben Wallace in a possible deal with the Cavs. I've got to stress that it was from what I'd call a third party source ... not someone directly involved in the negotiations. So ... take it with a grain of salt ... but interesting ...
Chad Ford: (1:25 PM ET ) The deal as I heard it ... by the way ... had Drew Gooden, Ira Newble, Shannon Brown and Cederic Simmons coming back to Chicago.
by 3 The Hard Way on Feb 21, 2008 10:29 AM PST 0 recs
wow
by gogomaplata on
Feb 21, 2008 10:37 AM PST
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Your own words?
by Dubs fan in Boston on
Feb 21, 2008 10:38 AM PST
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re:
by 3 The Hard Way on
Feb 21, 2008 10:46 AM PST
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asdf
"TIMEOUT IN BARON'S HOUSE"
by the noTORious TOR on Feb 21, 2008 10:43 AM PST 0 recs
asdf
lol
"TIMEOUT IN BARON'S HOUSE"
by the noTORious TOR on
Feb 21, 2008 10:46 AM PST
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asdf
"TIMEOUT IN BARON'S HOUSE"
by the noTORious TOR on
Feb 21, 2008 10:46 AM PST
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W
Chad Ford: (1:43 PM ET ) They have had the opportunity to do a big deal ... but seem reluctant to pull the trigger. I think their window is closing and if Denver makes a big deal ... they're the team most likely sitting out of the playoffs in April.
by Asomugha on Feb 21, 2008 10:46 AM PST 0 recs
wow
by Run Dubz Run on
Feb 21, 2008 11:22 AM PST
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why?
by sam23 on Feb 21, 2008 10:47 AM PST 0 recs
not.
Right now I don't see us any better than a 2 seed regardless. Utah, LAL, DAL, SA, PHX. They will all beat us, regardless of what move we make. It's stupid to trade away someone at this point. We aren't going to do any damage.
by xcoma on
Feb 21, 2008 10:55 AM PST
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still, why not?
by sam23 on
Feb 21, 2008 11:00 AM PST
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erp
Secondly, I wouldn't do it because it doesn't make us winners. IMO it doesn't even necessarily make us better. The guy's a jackass.
by xcoma on
Feb 21, 2008 11:03 AM PST
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stephen jackson
by sam23 on
Feb 21, 2008 11:07 AM PST
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Not Necessarily.
There's no comparison. Jackson isn't crazy.
by xcoma on
Feb 21, 2008 11:13 AM PST
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my thoughts exactly
Because Artest fits in with everything else happening there -- he's crazy, he can play multiple positions, he can play any style, and he'd be absolutely devastating in NellieBall because of his unparalleled talent for guarding bigger players. At crunch time, the Warriors could trot out Biedrins, Artest, Jackson, Ellis and Davis and match up with any team in the West. ... Better yet, they'd be intimidating and nuts and unpredictable and everything else you'd want from a lower seed. I wouldn't want to go anywhere NEAR THESE GUYS if they had Artest. Besides, could you put a price on the emotional Artest/Jackson reunion, even if it only lasted for a few months? We'd have to put stun guns underneath the seats of the first few rows for every Warriors game. I can't handle the thought of Artest playing for Golden State; it's so exciting and crazy that I think I just peed on myself.
by sam23 on
Feb 21, 2008 11:18 AM PST
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look
Go read TK's Blog, he has some really good points about this issue.
Sac won't give us Artest for cheap. Especially to us. We'd have to take on a crap contract like SAR or KT. Is that really worth it? No. Get over your Artest man love.
by kenntoe on
Feb 21, 2008 11:26 AM PST
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Okay?
by xcoma on
Feb 21, 2008 11:31 AM PST
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thats the worst anti-artest argument ever
by sam23 on
Feb 21, 2008 11:35 AM PST
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Maybe... possibly...
You're right. Moving Pietrus+TPE+1st for Artest would make us better now.
But it would not make us title contenders and we'd lose Artest and a 1st rounder in the future. So we'd basically be giving up a future 1st rounder for a better chance of losing to Utah. Woohoo!
by Dubs fan in Boston on
Feb 21, 2008 11:54 AM PST
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if you think
by sam23 on
Feb 21, 2008 11:59 AM PST
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So...
My contention is that he won't.
You're entitled to your opinion... I'm just glad you're not actually running the Warriors FO.
by Dubs fan in Boston on
Feb 21, 2008 12:06 PM PST
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ok
by sam23 on
Feb 21, 2008 12:10 PM PST
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Word
Oh well...next year...errr...when Kobe retires, maybe we've got a shot...errr...maybe when Oden and Roy are ready for FA...ahhh...forget it.
We've got Bellinelli and BW to look forward to...we are going to be unstoppable...I'd bet my Prius on a ring in 7 years! Kosta!!!
Seriously though...fingers and toes crossed that all of you are right about the young players...I sincerely hope I end up eating my words.
by Hoof on
Feb 21, 2008 12:19 PM PST
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Oh boo hoo.
by xcoma on
Feb 21, 2008 12:22 PM PST
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but
by sam23 on
Feb 21, 2008 12:38 PM PST
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You can't help it
But that's fine...you can act like you know me...
by Hoof on
Feb 21, 2008 12:55 PM PST
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Rebounding
by Sleepy Freud on
Feb 21, 2008 12:23 PM PST
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but
by sam23 on
Feb 21, 2008 12:29 PM PST
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Slight edit
If I had too rank the "Nellieball starting 4s whom we like to discuss on this board":
Marion >> AK47 >> Artest
Now if we could acquire Artest for SF and Marion for PF...
Baron
Jack/Monta
Artest
Marion
Biedrins
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6th man: Jack/Monta
That's an actual title contender. Too bad it ain't happening...
by Sleepy Freud on
Feb 21, 2008 12:44 PM PST
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i agree
by sam23 on
Feb 21, 2008 11:48 PM PST
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TK
by sam23 on
Feb 21, 2008 11:51 AM PST
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So, what about Marion?
- Is a vastly better rebounder (9.6 rebs per 36 minutes, compared to Ronron's paltry 5.1) who can at least fake being an NBA 4
- Doesn't play (anymore) for a conference rival who might be reluctant to send him to us
- Is sane
Tick tick tick...
by Sleepy Freud on
Feb 21, 2008 11:55 AM PST
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Interesting...
On top of that, he was a cancer in Phoenix, maybe with our free flowing basketball attitude he'd fit in better here. Don't know about it. I wouldn't be sad if that happened.
by Dubs fan in Boston on
Feb 21, 2008 12:02 PM PST
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i dunno
by sam23 on
Feb 21, 2008 12:06 PM PST
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yea
by sam23 on
Feb 21, 2008 12:05 PM PST
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The one problem i have with your scenario's
I fail to see how adding Kirilenko or Artest would help this team get over the hump (now remember i'm not saying it won't make them better). Marion is the only guy that could play between the 3-4 that would work.
I just feel you're thinking rather short-sighted when I'm looking big picture. The Trade Deadline came and gone so it's a moot point.
by kenntoe on
Feb 21, 2008 12:42 PM PST
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thats nonsensical
by sam23 on
Feb 21, 2008 11:52 PM PST
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You are correct.
I agree that Marion >> AK >> Artest. But we would have to acquire two of the three to be considered elite.
by kenntoe on
Feb 22, 2008 12:33 AM PST
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AB
"What kind of money do we give AB this year? Should we dedicate it to a more traditional 4 or 5?"
What happens to Ellis in a more traditional style of play? He seems to thrive in the uptempo pace.
Do we extend Nelson? He's not going to change his philosophy.
Kenntoe, are you suggesting a complete overhaul and major adjustments in personnel?
If so, I am intrigued and would love to hear some ideas to this end.
by Hoof on
Feb 22, 2008 9:42 AM PST
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Not trying to be a kenntoe apologist...
I don't think I've ever agreed with any of his posts whole-heartedly, but it's his opinion, and honestly, the fact his opinions aren't congruent w/ a majority of posters here, makes his posts refreshing(at least to me). Not to mention his posts are pretty well thought out, he does HIS homework before posting and he's not a jerk to people that don't agree with him.
"To my dear brother, Noompsy."
by Tim N Chris Burger on
Feb 22, 2008 11:38 AM PST
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I totally agree with every point
by Hoof on
Feb 22, 2008 12:39 PM PST
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yea
by sam23 on
Feb 22, 2008 3:24 PM PST
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