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OPEN THREAD: Game 56 - Warriors vs Sonics

Originally Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 12:08:02 PM PDT



Warriors (W-L): 33-22

Sonics (W-L): 15-40

Time: 7:30pm PST

TV: FSN Bay Area

Radio: KNBR 680



You never know what you'll get with this team. One night they're knocking off the best team in the league, the next night they're getting blown out by a team struggling to make the playoffs in the East. They seem to bring it against the top teams but take nights off against the bad teams.

In any other year, being 11 games over .500 would easily put the Warriors in the playoffs and taking a night off wouldn't hurt that much - plus I'd be ecstatic and not fearful of missing the playoffs. Losing a game to the Hawks wouldn't generate as much criticism and worry. But this year is different. Every single game counts when 9 excellent teams battle for 8 spots. Even though Houston might be done with Yao out for the season, you can't take anything for granted. I wouldn't guarantee a Warriors playoff berth because Portland could roll off another 13 in a row or TMac steps his game up to MVP levels. Basically, any game the Warriors lose that they should have won will be magnified 100x if they miss the playoffs by 1 game.

Tonight is one of those nights in which the Warriors play a bad team - a team they should easily beat even without 2 starters - Jax and Beans. Unfortunately, with the Warriors, you never know if they'll show up or not. It would be nice to wash the nasty taste of the Hawks loss out of my mouth.

A look at the Sonics after the jump.

Star-divide

Long gone are the days of Gary Payton throwing alley-oops to Shawn Kemp. But after thinking about the two of them, I went a did a little YouTube search on the old Shawn Kemp. Check it out. The Warriors make some cameo appearances - good `ol Chris Gatling and Alton Lister.

Enough of the funky flashback, this current Sonics team stinks. They have the #2 pick, Kevin Durant, and a bunch of role players. Heck even KDeezy's not living up to the hype. Earl Watson is a decent PG but better suited for a backup position. Nick Collison is solid. Jeff Green is underachieving. They traded away their best shooter, Wally Sxsdfweoixcxcvjlkerbiak, and best big man, Kurt Thomas. How could this team possibly win?

If the Warriors could just show up with a high energy level every night, I wouldn't need to worry about this game. The only reason for me to even watch would be to see Kevin Durant and the silky smooth jumper he's got. Well it seems like the Warriors only win by the narrowest of margins. Their last few wins were decided on the last shot, Boston, Phoenix, Washington, and Sacramento. I don't expect tomorrow to be any different, but one day it's going to come back to haunt them. They can't keep just barely winning because one game, that last second 3 by the other team is going to go in or that last second shot by the Warriors isn't going to go in.

Things I'd like to see

  • Let Brandan Wright play. I was impressed with what he did on Friday against the Hawks. He was active and showed he's got some talent. He handled the rock in the open floor, knocked down a 13 foot jumper, and changed plenty of shots on defense. He showed he can even score around the basket a little bit. He rebounded well and when he couldn't secure the rebound was able to tip the ball to his teammates. Nellie needs to let the kid develop especially with Beans on the sidelines. Right now, Braces is the best option off the bench - athletic, active, nonstop motor, and fun to watch. If he can earn a spot in the rotation now, it will help out later in the year when Andris returns.
  • 48 minutes of Warriors basketball. Actually I'll settle for just 40. The Warriors never seem to be able to put together a complete game. It killed them against the Hawks. If the rest of the guys can match the intensity that Baron and Monta bring to the floor, we'll be okay. Baron and Monta will feed off that extra energy.

Thing I don't want to see

  • Chris Webber starting. It's like he's playing with a 50 pound weight vest. Start Harrington at C, Pietrus at the 4, and Kaz at the 3. In 5 of the 6 games that CWebb has started, the Warriors have been losing by the time he left the game. The Warriors haven't always started well, but in the previous 7 games before Webber, they led after the first quarter 4 times and trailed 3 times. If he starts tonight and the first quarter woes continue against the horrible Sonics, it's time for a change. He's improving, but let him play into shape in practice and against the opponent's 2nd team. It's a simple and quick analysis, but I just don't see Webber helping this team get out of the gate quickly, in fact I'd argue that he's making our 1st quarter struggles even worse. Let Webber come off the bench and face the 2nd team - he's a veteran, he'll do just fine.
  • The matador defense the Warriors are playing is getting ridiculous. Move your feet. Don't bite on pump fakes. Box out. Know where your man is at all times. Don't take unnecessary gambles. Don't double team unless it's necessary and in this game, I don't see when it will ever be necessary. The team and individual defense was atrocious against the Hawks - time to fix that against the Sonics.

Here's to hoping that the Warriors do to the Sonics what they did to the Bobcats a few weeks ago and just blow them out of the Oracle. Of course, that would be asking just too much.

Predictions

  • Warriors win by 3
  • Monta scores 35
  • Nick Collison gets the nightly random Warrior Killer award
  • Brandan Wright gets some more time and continues to impress

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isnt jax
playing? last i heard he said his foot is 90% and that he is going is to play.

by saintdee on Feb 26, 2008 12:13 PM PST   0 recs

Not sure
Last I checked, the Warriors website shows him on the injured list as day-to-day and Pietrus is still starting. Would be great to have him in the lineup.

by Fantasy Junkie on Feb 26, 2008 12:39 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

warriors history
usually after a stinker they'll come out and play real well so that should continue tonight. i expect to see more quality minutes from wright. i wouldn't even mind seeing him in the starting lineup over webber, but we'll see what happens. one thing that i can predict with 100% accuracy is that monta will look lost on defense

by AJC3317 on Feb 26, 2008 12:43 PM PST   0 recs

Wright Starting
You know I thought about that too, but I couldn't justify it. Can't get too carried away after one game. It doesn't make sense to throw him in there against the first team. Let him come in to play the opponent's 2nd team and team up with Baron and Monta (since they don't sit anyways). It's important to let him develop by surrounding him with the better of the Warriors players - not just in garbage time. Let him develop with the Warriors top guys and against a lower caliber frontline.

by Fantasy Junkie on Feb 26, 2008 1:08 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

well
considering the opponent i think it would be justified. if we were the spurs obviously he wouldn't start. but i think he could hold his own against the sonics.

by AJC3317 on Feb 26, 2008 5:12 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

He said he is going..
..to play tonight.
He also said he may need to put his foot in a boot to heal faster in the off season.
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by GreenLightJerky on Feb 26, 2008 12:51 PM PST   0 recs

Sonics
will be without Donyell Marshall, Earl Watson, Damien Wilkins, Robert Swift and there“s another guy that is Day to Day... I just dont remember the guy...
Hopefully we will destroy them tonight!
F**K REFS!!!

by faetati on Feb 26, 2008 12:56 PM PST   0 recs

Yikes,..
they are having a rough go right now.
We need a solid effort tonight.
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by GreenLightJerky on Feb 26, 2008 2:07 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

geebus...
lets not play our starters tonight.. i don't want them catching the flu from those diseased sonic players.

by saintdee on Feb 26, 2008 2:03 PM PST   0 recs

Great...
A short handed Sonics team that isn't very good to begin with.  I guess we will get half an effort from  Baron tonight.  Of course that's probably all we will need from him.

by WilliamVanLandingham on Feb 26, 2008 3:05 PM PST   0 recs

no more playing down
to our opponents. i want to see a freakin blowout this time. anything less is a disappointment.

by jchao204 on Feb 26, 2008 3:06 PM PST   0 recs

asdf
this night Warriors have to prove to me that they are not worse then they record

and what can be better in this case then (not just shorthanded but even shortonehanded i'd say) Sonics

i don't want some +3 this time
-give me some bloody heads on spears!

FTW!

build a team & destroy the roof

by Lat We N Trash on Feb 26, 2008 3:37 PM PST   0 recs

Easy or a One Posession Win?
  Recap says:
a team they should easily beat even without 2 starters - Jax and Beans

  followed by:
Warriors win by 3

To me, a prediction of a win by 3 (one posession) is not an easy win.

What's nice (and unsettling at the same time) is that with the Warriors, you don't know what to expect each night. You just have to watch the game. And often enough, there is something fun happening along the way.

by soem on Feb 26, 2008 3:40 PM PST   0 recs

<i>should</i> be an easy win
But the Warriors can never just put on the jerseys and do what needs to be done.  They always have to make it a nailbiter.  Just because on paper we should roll them doesn't mean we will.  That's what makes the Dubs so frustrating...

then we will fight in the shade.

by Swamp Thing on Feb 26, 2008 4:40 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Wow I suck at html
wish i could edit.

then we will fight in the shade.

by Swamp Thing on Feb 26, 2008 4:41 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Yep.
Having some fun highlighting that even the Recapper has trouble Believe-inG what should happen tonight.

by soem on Feb 26, 2008 6:15 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

jax is playing
he says hes good to go tonight

dont start webber though!

Starting Lineup:
Davis
Ellis
Jackson
Wright
and Harrington at C

by 3Kings650 on Feb 26, 2008 3:56 PM PST   0 recs

no
i say

Davis
Ellis
Belinelli
Wright
Al

We shouldn't use Jackson unless we absolutely need to. I don't want him aggravating that injury.

by saintdee on Feb 26, 2008 4:44 PM PST   0 recs

hey people
heads or tails. heads warriors win, tails sonics win. cause thats the only way to figure out who will win tonight.  
What you thought that I only played basketball? I AM A Golden State WARRIOR!

by 24k state fan since 87 on Feb 26, 2008 5:18 PM PST   0 recs

you should bet on the Sonics then
I'm sure you'll get better than 1:1 odds
It's almost like the Warriors have 6 guys out there... they always have a guy open! - Jon Barry commentating game 3 last year

by gsw4life on Feb 26, 2008 6:51 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

This will be a barometer
of how far away we are from the beginning of the season. Back then we beat Seattle 109-96 and it was a relatively wasy game, the Warriors jumped on the Sonics, leading by 17 after 1, 19 after 2, and 22 after 3. I wish were the team we were back then, when the defense looked solid, but we'll have to see. If we let Seattle hang around, then it will be obvious that we have changed a lot throughout the season, unfortunately for the worse.

Here's me hoping that during the stretch run we can get back to playing defense at a high level.

by belilaugh on Feb 26, 2008 6:36 PM PST   0 recs

i dont know where else to put this
well this is inadvertantly warrior related considering were 2.5 games back from houston.

im watching the gamecenter on espn and the score is an embarrassing 23 (wizards) to 51. well the scoreboard didnt update for a while and i realized eventually that it is halftime.

23 points in a half?! is that some type of record or at least close to one? it looks like houston is going to win this one but im just glad that the warriors even if they are losing still arent this boring to watch.

by twelve years on Feb 26, 2008 6:40 PM PST   0 recs

San Antonio
scored 5 points in the first quarter yesterday.

It's pretty tough to be entertaining AND winning, but the Warriors are pulling it off with their smallball

It's almost like the Warriors have 6 guys out there... they always have a guy open! - Jon Barry commentating game 3 last year

by gsw4life on Feb 26, 2008 7:01 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Saw this
on ESPN.  Could not believe what I was reading.
"3. Mickael Pietrus, Warriors: No one is sure why the Warriors don't play Pietrus more. He's one of the more athletic defenders in the league and a solid 3-point shooter. A good team will pick him up and try to use him in a Bruce Bowen-type role"
Playoffs!!??

by PAWarrior on Feb 26, 2008 7:05 PM PST   0 recs

Bruce Bowen?
Bruce Bowen type role? Does that mean like a corner three guy? I thought I read somewhere that he doesn't like the corner three role.

by IQofaWarrior on Feb 26, 2008 7:16 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Utah loses
to the T-Wolves. See, we're not the only team that loses to crappy teams. Phoenix-Memphis was also close for most of the game but the Suns pulled away in the last few minutes.
It's almost like the Warriors have 6 guys out there... they always have a guy open! - Jon Barry commentating game 3 last year

by gsw4life on Feb 26, 2008 7:28 PM PST   0 recs

asdf
is anyone in SoCal getting the game on HD with league pass??

by NotoriousCruz on Feb 26, 2008 7:35 PM PST   0 recs

WRIGHT
STARTINGG!!

by GSwarrior on Feb 26, 2008 7:36 PM PST   0 recs

WOW
WRIGHT STARTING!!!!
F**K REFS!!!

by faetati on Feb 26, 2008 7:37 PM PST   0 recs

wright starting
i believe i had that

by AJC3317 on Feb 26, 2008 7:38 PM PST   0 recs

wow
Michael Redd just his an absolutely ridiculous 28 footer at the buzzer for the win. Nothing to do with Warriors, but pretty awesome
It's almost like the Warriors have 6 guys out there... they always have a guy open! - Jon Barry commentating game 3 last year

by gsw4life on Feb 26, 2008 7:38 PM PST   0 recs

DDDAAGGGGGEERRR!!
asdf
art by jnazaire 07

by disguy on Feb 26, 2008 7:41 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I just watched the Stevenson play today so now
I get it. Most delayed reaction ever
It's almost like the Warriors have 6 guys out there... they always have a guy open! - Jon Barry commentating game 3 last year

by gsw4life on Feb 27, 2008 12:09 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

lol
what's up with Jaymee? She totally sounds like a news anchor.

Looking forward to seeing Wright start, it's his 2nd  start isn't it?

art by jnazaire 07

by disguy on Feb 26, 2008 7:40 PM PST   0 recs

Houston...
gets a strong win without Yao. I'm disappointed...

by sunghan on Feb 26, 2008 7:43 PM PST   0 recs

here
comes the first quarter collpase

by saintdee on Feb 26, 2008 7:45 PM PST   0 recs

You seriously
didn't see this coming?

by belilaugh on Feb 26, 2008 7:48 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

was being sarcastic
after watching every game this season, pretty much use to it by now

by nautica on Feb 26, 2008 7:52 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

HEY TONY.PSD.......
Props on the S Jax poster at the game, it made the intro for a split second.

"Its Time For Some Action"

OakFoSho

by Sneaky275 on Feb 26, 2008 7:46 PM PST   0 recs

uh
not what i was hoping for.
Welcome to Oracle.

by tadams1080 on Feb 26, 2008 7:46 PM PST   0 recs

Seriously, we don't even try
we really don't. Why do I bother turning the game on in the first quarter? Same result everytime.

by belilaugh on Feb 26, 2008 7:47 PM PST   0 recs

Needs
to be more movement without the ball.

by sunghan on Feb 26, 2008 7:47 PM PST   0 recs

OOooooh noes
another first quarter stumble?! WHAT A SURPRISE!

by dandydaniel on Feb 26, 2008 7:48 PM PST   0 recs

down 9
to the sonics? wright is disappointing.. pressure too high for him.

by saintdee on Feb 26, 2008 7:48 PM PST   0 recs

I hope your just being pessimistic
because what has Wright done that has been disappointing? Not getting the ball? Being active on defense? Missing a tough, contested layup where he was in a bad spot to begin with? The Warriors don't need Wright to score, they have Monta and Baron and crew for that.

by belilaugh on Feb 26, 2008 7:52 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

LOL
Luke Ridnour. I remember that guy. Whatever happened to Luke Jackson?

by belilaugh on Feb 26, 2008 7:50 PM PST   0 recs

link
anyone got a link to the game?  sopcast?  raptorsnation.net doesn't work anymore.

by thebighead on Feb 26, 2008 7:50 PM PST   0 recs

go to
www.channelsurfing.net
They have the game link there
F**K REFS!!!

by faetati on Feb 26, 2008 7:52 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

stream
http://golf.cautela.nl/nba-basketball/15814-nba-today-feb-26-info-chat.html

If you click on the relevant link it'll give you a url to paste into a media player. That forum has served me well to watch the Ws from the midwest!

by jjj111 on Feb 26, 2008 7:58 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Wright Stuff
He just needs to play his game. Relax. Do what it do.
Welcome to Oracle.

by tadams1080 on Feb 26, 2008 7:51 PM PST   0 recs

Brandan
is a bit nervous -but this will be great game for him

i want to see AB with BW on court both soon

build a team & destroy the roof

by Lat We N Trash on Feb 26, 2008 7:52 PM PST   0 recs

wtf
why did nellie sit wright already??
(looking for a new pic)

by disguy on Feb 26, 2008 7:53 PM PST   0 recs

I thought that
Troy Hudson was out for the year?

by belilaugh on Feb 26, 2008 7:53 PM PST   0 recs

there it is
the barnes special

by AJC3317 on Feb 26, 2008 7:56 PM PST   0 recs

barnes
blown layup...again...

by nautica on Feb 26, 2008 7:56 PM PST   0 recs

in fairness
it wasn't wide open

by jam3rz on Feb 26, 2008 7:57 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

in fairness
he probably misses easy layups i can even make 50 percent of the time. that time, he freakin tried to hard then missed. not surprising. at least pietrus hasnt gone in yet.

by GSwarrior on Feb 26, 2008 7:58 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

in continuing with the pattern
barnes hit a layup earlier, and sjack missed an easy one too. just sayin.

by jam3rz on Feb 26, 2008 7:59 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

DAMN
imagine if freakin mullyu signed barnes to a long time contract. shit it would probably would have been his worst move so far..

by GSwarrior on Feb 26, 2008 7:57 PM PST   0 recs

wow
we suck?

by saintdee on Feb 26, 2008 7:57 PM PST   0 recs

Jackson .. Dribble .. Dribble
Sruggling so far tonight.

by soem on Feb 26, 2008 8:00 PM PST   0 recs

remember the 1st kings game?
that's my best case scenario prediction for s-jax.
"To my dear brother, Noompsy."

by Tim N Chris Burger on Feb 26, 2008 8:01 PM PST   0 recs

I know the Warriors probably consider it
beneath them to full court press against the Sonics, but with only one point guard, they should do it when Ridnour is off the floor. And they should try to get Ridnour in foul trouble.

by belilaugh on Feb 26, 2008 8:01 PM PST   0 recs

asdf
no helpside

by jam3rz on Feb 26, 2008 8:03 PM PST   0 recs

Durant...
is getting anything and everything he wants. We can't stop him.

by sunghan on Feb 26, 2008 8:03 PM PST   0 recs

cj watson
is actually in the game. amazing

by AJC3317 on Feb 26, 2008 8:04 PM PST   0 recs

sucks to be francisco elson
gone from riding the spurs coattails to another possible championship to the nba basement

by AJC3317 on Feb 26, 2008 8:05 PM PST   0 recs

still think missing beans doesn't hurt?
30 of 32 sonics points are in the paint

by AJC3317 on Feb 26, 2008 8:07 PM PST   0 recs

way to go nelson
blow another opening quarter to a lowly team. i expect anoter close game, wow we suck. put wright back in seriously

by pree t zinta on Feb 26, 2008 8:07 PM PST   0 recs

yay!
only down 5!

by jam3rz on Feb 26, 2008 8:07 PM PST   0 recs

lol
it's sad that that's actually a victory for us when we're playing the sonics

by AJC3317 on Feb 26, 2008 8:08 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

we all know
the game doesn't actually start until 8:30 anyway. so it's cool.

by jam3rz on Feb 26, 2008 8:10 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Another game ...
... the Dubs will be lucky to win.

by soem on Feb 26, 2008 8:10 PM PST   0 recs

okay
Jackson was doing so good before he got injured, now he looks like his old self, sloppy dribbles and missed early jumpers. But I like his aggressiveness down low.

Can the Warriors hire someone to work exclusively with Ellis to teach him how to defend? On that Durant dunk, Ellis was guessing which way Durant would go and guessed wrong. He is holding the defense back right now, as much as I love him.

Durant doesn't look impressive at all, how many jumpshots has he made? the Warriors just aren't defending, I could score a lot of points on easy layups and dunks (if I was tall enough) too.

by belilaugh on Feb 26, 2008 8:11 PM PST   0 recs

geez
no transition defense. no defense at all really

by AJC3317 on Feb 26, 2008 8:11 PM PST   0 recs

PIETRUS!!!
Why are you so startled when you get the ball?!
"We're educated in the Bay Area."-- My momma's other Big Daddy: Baron Davis

by warriorgirl on Feb 26, 2008 8:11 PM PST   0 recs

wtf?
we're giving up dunks off of made layups? it just gets more and more pathetic game by game

by AJC3317 on Feb 26, 2008 8:13 PM PST   0 recs

Very good point Barnett
why is Pietrus the one commiting the foul after he makes the layup? Does Nelson even mention the word defense in practice?

by belilaugh on Feb 26, 2008 8:13 PM PST   0 recs

man
so much negativity on this board.

by jam3rz on Feb 26, 2008 8:14 PM PST   0 recs

What do you expect?
The Warriors are playing Seattle and losing. And they are playing terrible, terrible defense. I would be mad if the board was positive, the Warriors haven't earned any positive talk with their performance so far.

by belilaugh on Feb 26, 2008 8:16 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

But at the same time
what the hell is Barnett talking about? Seattle is terrible. They are like the Warriors without being good at offense.

by belilaugh on Feb 26, 2008 8:14 PM PST