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Golden Break: Waving, Not Drowning

With roughly four minutes left in the fourth quarter Sunday night, someone in the upper deck of the Arena decided to stand up and sit down.  Then he or she got some friends to do it, then the next row, then the next section.  Before you could say "Kelenna Azubuike shooting two," the Arena witnessed its first NBA basketball fan wave since well before Monta Ellis was born.  As the wave crested somewhere around section 122, Kelenna bricked the first free throw and hit the second.  The wave crashed to shore with the resumption of the game a few seconds later.  In its wake, however, we've been left with a question tugging at us like the cold Pacific undertow: what's happened to the Arena crowd?

Star-divide

For those sick of this topic and ready to move onto the Spurs, here's the short answer: we're victims of our own success.  Now move along and get started on figuring out how Kelenna Azubuike is going to guard Tim Duncan.  For those willing to linger for a few more minutes on what it means in April 2008 to be a warm body in the Oracle Arena, here's what I think we're witnessed over the past year.

In March 2007, Warriors fans were a hardy, loyal, world-beaten bunch.  We'd had our hopes dashed so many times that we'd come not only to accept it, but to revel in it. Warriors fans were the ones who would root for their team no matter what the odds or the margin of defeat.  When Paul Wong rolled out his first We Believe sign early in March 2007, I'm guessing it provoked as many cynical chuckles as fervent cheers. Then, as the 2006-07 Warriors gradually started rolling towards the playoffs and picking up speed, something totally unexpected happened: all of those starry-eyed, die-hard Warriors fans went from laughing stock to toast of the town.  After so many years of losing, the fan base had been whittled down to a rabid, committed few -- there for the love of basketball, Bay Area sports, or both.  When we were unleashed on the NBA playoffs, the joy was visceral and pure.  It didn't matter whether the "We Believe" sentiment was stuck on a t-shirt with a Comcast logo or picked up as a David Stern talking point, the fans during the playoff push and Mavs series were part of something special and unforgettable.

What happened next is a quick lesson in consumer culture.  With story upon story lauding the Warriors and their fans, people took notice.  They watched games, bought tickets, and joined the crowd.  It looked like fun, and everyone likes fun.  Some of those new fans immediately took it upon themselves to scour the internet for information on the team, watch every minute of every game, and cheer every Ws' basket as if it could be their last.  Other new fans spent the first quarter of games standing in line for mixed drinks, screamed the loudest during the pizza give-away, and asked you to sit down when you gave Monta or Baron or Jackson a standing o.  We can bitch and moan about the way those fans behaved (and still behave), but the problem doesn't lie in their newness.  We were all new fans once.  We're all riding on this bandwagon together.  Some of us are more recent passengers, sitting closer to the sides.  Some of us are trapped in the center and will be clutching to broken boards long after the shaky contraption lands in a ditch.  

Hokey images aside, the closest analogy to the old / new fan debate is gentrification: crappy neighborhood X gets resurrected by dedicated individuals wanting to improve their home.  As the neighborhood improves, others see what it has to offer and want a piece of the action.  When the new people move in, they can either blend with the neighborhood and contribute to its improvement or set themselves off from the community, defeating the very process from which they sought to benefit.  If there's limited space in the neighborhood, an even tougher process begins by which each new arrival with money to pay for rising property costs signals the departure of one of the old guard, responsible for the value-adding turnaround.  If this is our situation in the Arena - every new fan forces out an old dedicated one - then it's a pretty bleak outlook for those of us left in the stands.  

Fortunately, I don't buy that the gentrification analogy holds entirely.  It works so far as both processes are inevitable.  As the Warriors become more successful, more people will like them and want to be a part of the experience.  It also works in the sense that those "new to the block" should be judged by their actions.  Are you so unaware of what's happening on the court that you're doing a wave during crucial free throws - distracting our own player?  Are you imposing your own idea of when people should stand up or sit down at a basketball game without taking a moment to look around to see whether everyone else in the Arena is standing up and cheering?  Or did you just buy your tickets hoping to sell them off for a profit, maybe to a Lakers fan like the one in front of me last Monday night who offered to knife me when I met his Kobe MVP chants with boos.  If you fall into the above categories, I have a bone to pick with you (but no, I won't knife you).  Otherwise, welcome to crowd.  Cheer early, cheer often, just don't cheer during our free throws.      

The gentrification analogy still holds up on the economic end.  As the Warriors eased into almost-certain sellouts during the second half of this season, seats in the Arena became a scarce commodity.  Chris Cohan knows more about supply and demand curves than jump shots and crossovers, so I had no doubt that the surge in attendance would soon push ticket prices with it.  Season ticket holders got the bad news last month.  Single game buyers better start saving their pennies for the fall.  Some fans won't be able to afford to go to games after this year.  It's a sad fact not worth denying.  

That said, the measure of a fan has never been his or her ability to get into the Arena or stadium or ballpark.  Whether you can drop money on a ticket -- or even live in the same city or state as the Arena -- says nothing about your love for the team.  The community of fans isn't limited like a neighborhood or a stadium.  Whether it's wearing your team's logo with pride, screaming at your computer for the stat-tracker to update, or rambling on for way too long on blogs like this, there are endless ways to represent. One more person joining in doesn't bump another out.  We believe in the same team.

Adam Lauridsen blogs regularly at Fast Break: the San Jose Mercury News' Warriors Fan Blog.  

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spot on
ive been saying this since last year. it happened very quickly and was obvious by the jazz playoff series.

great post

by pfree on Apr 1, 2008 12:02 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree
I felt that many people had their fill from the Mavs series and sold their Jazz tickets for profit. It definitely wasn't as inspiring as the first.

This year, the crowd has been mixed really. But Sunday's game was one of the worst.

But as we have seen from all the comments here on this blog, there are still loyal, knowledgeable and dedicated fans out there.

Where is the frenzied crowd this year? Come on, we're in the playoff race with only 9 games left! Let's bring some energy for the next home game.  Norcal rivalary!

by gswfanforlife on Apr 1, 2008 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

great read
and curious...did this really happened: Lakers fan like the one in front of me last Monday night who offered to knife me when I met his Kobe MVP chants with boos.

by lightz0ut on Apr 1, 2008 12:07 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yup
To which I replied, "ok, but good luck getting out of the section."

by Adam Lauridsen on Apr 1, 2008 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very well written Adam...
Wow... you summed my my inner worries as I attended games this season... "How am I gonna afford next season?!?" Thank goodness for television! (an league pass) You're totally on point with The Warriors success... it was bound to happen and I couldn't be happier for the W's. Sadly through economic hardships- its hard to make commitments to a wonderful hobby like season tickets. Like I always say- my loss is your gain. Kudo's to whoever gets my seats up in section 218... they were well taken care of!

It's a shame I'm going to be missing the playoffs- even the prices for that are out of my ball park! I'll be representing my devotion through the comforts of my living room!

...and it's like that! Coz' that's the way it is... Dubz!

by Tony.psd on Apr 1, 2008 12:14 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

And...
"I'll be representing my devotion through the comforts of my living room"

And your online posters. They always rock.

by IQofaWarrior on Apr 1, 2008 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

knock on wood
*if we make the playoffs

by belilaugh on Apr 1, 2008 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup
It's what happens when things get popular. You end up diluting the hardcore fans with casual fans, and the end result is usually mediocrity, a drop in quality. I've seen this happen to TV shows, web sites, raves, etc. And now, the Oracle crowd.

I hope our crowd doesn't completely degenerate into some of the other crowds out there, like the Mavs, where the PA guy has to PLEAD the crowd to chant DEFENSE. I noticed this during our Game 1 of them in last year's playoffs.

I hope the same for this site. I hope this site doesn't get too popular and start attracting the drive-by commenters who will start polluting this site with mindless one-liners.

by IQofaWarrior on Apr 1, 2008 12:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It's tough... reality is a bummer lol
Man, I remember when Mike Montgomery was coaching and we barely got Baron... my friends and I would go to games and before there was even a Club 200... they were just "Nose bleeds." My homies would get my ticket and I'd say how much..? they'd be like "Just gimme $12 bucks" and when you got to the second level, man, you could choose any seat you wanted! We'd buy up top seats and sit in like row 5!

The first game I took my wife to was a vs. Spurs game back in like 2005. We paid like $20 bucks for upper level seats  up in row 14... those were the days! Yea we sucked, but there was elbow room with the wifey and the lines weren't always as long as they were now for grub. I was trying to get an idea how much single tix would be w/ my agent for next season and man- it rounded off to $160 for 2 upper level seats around row 8-10.

That's hurt! Who knows how the Oracle will be next season... maybe they'll add a roller coaster up in the Nose bleeds... I mean club 200 since they have 2 bars, and fun stations all around.

I was actually happy when they didn't have any of that...

...and it's like that! Coz' that's the way it is... Dubz!

by Tony.psd on Apr 1, 2008 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

man I
remember when you could buy nose bleeds for 10 dollars and sit anywhere you wanted up top!

by RubberDubDubs on Apr 1, 2008 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Remember...
Dude! My wife would always have this guy go 2 her store w/ Warrior and A's tickets... It's this phat sheet of Tix... where you can get like 20 games for $25 bucks! Basically you get like 4 games free... and 16 games where if you bought 1 u got the other for free! My homie and I would always half that! We always got nose bleeders and just moved str8 on down!

Those were the days! I'm sorry for bringing it back!

...and it's like that! Coz' that's the way it is... Dubz!

by Tony.psd on Apr 1, 2008 1:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
I hella remember those days...

I bought a sheet of tickets off some dude selling them out

of his trunk in front of a Rasputin's.

The next day he tried to sell me speakers....j/p =)

by ThisIZtheSeason on Apr 1, 2008 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh man!
Which Rasputin's? The best thing I ever got out of a trunk was a my old college in Santa Clara- (Mission College) this guy had all these scratch video's on VHS and scratch tapes from The Invisbl skratch piklz! For 20 bucks I got The ISP vs. X-ecutioners battle and Q-bert's scratch tape "Hot sauce in the..."

 Those were the days!

...and it's like that! Coz' that's the way it is... Dubz!

by Tony.psd on Apr 1, 2008 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rasputin's
in Vallejo...

theres always dudes there trying to sell something:

cd's, cell phones, speakers, tv's...I wish they still sold tickets =)

by ThisIZtheSeason on Apr 1, 2008 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love the V-Town Ras!
But yea man, they got peeps tryin 2 sell everything in that parking lot! During the x-mas season my wife and I were shopping in that Target and some dude comes up 2 me asking for bus money 2 fairfield... of course I said no! This past weekend I was there to give my Homie at ras a W's T I won for free at the game and the same dude goes up to me saying he needs gas money for his Escalade over there! (where?!?!) I was all- Escalade?!? U the same dude who haggled me in Target last month! Get a job man!

...and it's like that! Coz' that's the way it is... Dubz!

by Tony.psd on Apr 1, 2008 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

good times..
were when they had $10 seats in the 200s back in the late 90's and i used to go with my dad.. or when they didnt televise many of the games and I had to listen to them on the radio while doing my homework.. or when in 97-99, i had to BEG friends to go watch a game with me where I would be reciting stats for players they had never heard of... that was high school... thats when i could afford it.. THOSE WERE THE GOOD 'OL DAYS.. Dallas Game 4 was the best crowd i had ever witnessed in person.. i will never forget.. but i was mad while watching the recent Laker game cuz of how weak the crowd sounded on TV..

by PIETRUSandCREAM on Apr 1, 2008 1:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

best times
when you could bay $48 for a lower level seat, or pay just 90 for a club seat in the lower level and you could actually go court side for the last quarter because everyone left. dam i miss those days i remember one day like 2002 at a jazz game during the begining a freaking kid who sat in front of me went down with his malone jersey and than malone gave him a ball from the rack! now just going to the lower level and standing is $75! wtf! dam i know warriors became the popular new trend but dam what is wrong with these people, economy sucks already and they are just raising the price like gas. how high are they going to go?! they can't milk marin, and the rich side of the east bay forever. i hope they don't go to laker price or they just gone mad!
What you thought that I only played basketball? I AM A Golden State WARRIOR!

by 24k state fan since 87 on Apr 1, 2008 2:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

sec 108 row16
Is where my season tickets were(lower bowl) for $24 per game. Man do I every miss going to so many games a year, but I think I like the winning better.

by Psion on Apr 1, 2008 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ummm
i remember those days when they used to sell 2 for 1 coupon booklets in downtown SF.  I had those suckers for 3 years in a row, felt like a season ticket holder.

the WAVE is lame, and must be killed on the spot.

warriors dont fish they hunt!

by VonteegoCummings on Apr 1, 2008 12:22 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Is the wave really that bad?
I understand your thoughts on the tragedy of the weakening Oracle fanbase, although I don't know first hand since I live out of state. But I've read on here that the wave was started during a timeout.  It's a fun, silly thing to do while waiting for the game, and a few fans got caught up in it and still did it during Buike's shot.  A mistake, but for everyone here to be so worked up about it, I don't understand.  

If Buike had made the freethrow, would it be a problem?  He's a professional athlete and shouldn't be phased by waving arms.  If he shot free throws like peja, then I would agree that he was phased.  But it's not like Buike is a 90% FT shooter.

I just don't really think this is a big deal.

by Calamity on Apr 1, 2008 12:51 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

agree
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.

by triplesix on Apr 1, 2008 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess
You had 2 be there 2 realize it was wrong... I was not there and if I was I sad 2 say, would have done it! Than when I got home... and read the GSoM threads, I'd realize damn, I messed up! I'm a sucker for crowd participation.

...and it's like that! Coz' that's the way it is... Dubz!

by Tony.psd on Apr 1, 2008 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No waves in an INDOOR arena!!
A's games maybe but not inside during a basketball game!!

by gswfanforlife on Apr 1, 2008 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i was there
the wave actually started in the upper level.. during a timeout. It was in the middle of the drum line routine. My season tix are in section 231.. it started maybe 1/4th the area to the left of where i was sitting. The wave was good because it got everyone pumped and to their feet. The wave on the lower level started after around 2-3 full upper area full waves

by Dyno Garage SF on Apr 1, 2008 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's
not the fact he missed the free throw. We all know warriors miss free throws.  its the fact the wave happened in the first place. Like i said in another post the wave doesn't even belong in baseball. its more of a distraction of the fans then the players. Crowds do the wave when they are restless or the game is moving slowly. I've been to some pretty bad games. I was at the game warriors scored all of 2 points, damp made the 2 points, in the entire 4th quarter and still forced overtime. Really crappy boring games and not once has anyone tried to start a wave.

I don't know but in an NBA full time out and in such an important game it shouldn't even happen.

Warriors are like Soap Opera's for men.

by Kleenex on Apr 1, 2008 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Wave
should not be attempted or carried out under any circumstance. It's part of the code of being a good sports fan. You just don't do it. Only place you should expect to see it is at a friggin' Dodgers game. I can't believe it happened at a Warriors game.
Finally hoops hope in the City Of Dope?

by oaklandish on Apr 1, 2008 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beeing
from Europe sucks if a warrior fan.I would give anything just to see one game at Oracle.

by buky on Apr 1, 2008 1:00 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

old skool warriors games
hell ya, when i lived in the bay a couple years ago i would buy lower levels and walk down to like the 20th row. Those were the days.
Now I live in Dallas and security goes so hard
Still got great seats for playoff games 1 and 2 last yr tho.
Can't wait till Wednesday. Tickets are mad expensive here too. I am gonna buy lowers from a scalper outside. Game is on ESPN so the place is gonna b packed. But, I can still talk to my brother during the game. Dallas fans are not crunk.
I will get 2 or 3 middle fingers tho cuz i rock a bunch of warrior gear. Steven Jackson's wristband from game 1 for good luck of coarse.
-Gal Shapira initials reppin my team ya dig

by jewniorballa on Apr 1, 2008 1:01 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

this got me so hyped up...
im gonna go watch dallas game 6 on the way to bed :) GO DUBS!

by PIETRUSandCREAM on Apr 1, 2008 1:34 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think you guys are making too much out of this
Yea it was a bit embarrassing, but sunday nights crowd had more of a family atmosphere to it(saw a ton of parents with their kids at the game). It's not like stuff like this has been a problem at all though out the season, I've got nba league pass and our home crowd is easily the best in the league. Yea some of it's a product of bandwagoners but it's not like we won a nba title last year, all we did was make the playoffs. Our crowd has been growing every year long before the playoff season. I think it's absolutely embarrassing for real bandwagon crowds like the SIXTEEN TIME WORLD CHAMPION celtics to have a lower attendance % than us EVERY year since the 2003 season.

by sup3rk1ng on Apr 1, 2008 1:48 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
It's gonna degenerate one way or another. I mean, how many "hardcore" Yankees, Lakers, and Patriots fans are out there? Really?

But there's always room, and no matter how good the Warriors will get, I'll always wear my jersey with pride.

On the flip side....I loved the Hornets and their lowest-in-the-NBA prices. Let noone fool you, whenever the prices rise, noone will come to the games here. They'll just go watch OU Basketball instead.

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Apr 1, 2008 2:50 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Everybody quit your bitchin....
....maybe we should start stinkin up the joint again. Would that be better? I think we could get Tyronn Lue for Baron and I don't think Big Country is too busy these days, whattya say AB and Al for Mark Madsen? That would make it easy for you "HARDCORE" sigh fans to enjoy the low prices, cheap parking etc. It's a business and business is good.  If you haven't figured that out yet look around the league and all of this globalization crap. IT MAKES MONEY. Enjoy this streak, cuz who knows how long it will last. Be a fan, if someone else wants to be let them, "HARDCORE" or not.

by bucknall20 on Apr 1, 2008 5:08 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh well...
You're just gonna have to deal with it, man you sound like me yesterday when I ripped on GSoM and it's readers! lol, I think a lot of us use this article as a reminder or we're just reminiscing on the good ol' days of the business. Yea- it was bound to happen and some of us just wanna bring out some good times.

There was a time when I'd go 2 a family party w/ a Warriors Jersey on and the whole party would boo me! This was in Vallejo! Everyone would chant Kobe! Kobe! and the majority of the people either had Garnet or Bryant Jerseys. Flip the script to 2007-08 and the same peeps who boo me are rocking Ellis and Davis Jerseys!

You're right- business is good and it makes money :-) It brings in new fans who bring there friends and become newer fans etc. It drives prices up and makes it difficult for some of us  to attend games next season. We're not even finished with this season and I'm already worried about next!

I been upset w/ GSoM for all the bi@#tching as you mentioned but than again, yesterday- I realized it was a place for peeps to voice out opinions and feedback. I'm sure everybody just means well. I guess i found my soft spot!

...and it's like that! Coz' that's the way it is... Dubz!

by Tony.psd on Apr 1, 2008 7:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

tnx Adam
great post (your posts always are great)

some thought

maybe Nellie isn't best coach for title hopes
but he is best coach for franchise owner
-maybe thats his mission

I MAY BE HOMER BUT I MAY NOT BE DOUBTER

by Lat We N Trash on Apr 1, 2008 5:53 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Love The Article, Love the Title
Not Waving But Drowning
-Stevie Smith

Nobody heard him, the dead man,
But still he lay moaning:
I was much further out than you thought
And not waving but drowning.

Poor chap, he always loved larking
And now he's dead
It must have been too cold for him his heart gave way,
They said.

Oh, no no no, it was too cold always
(Still the dead one lay moaning)
I was much too far out all my life
And not waving but drowning.

by AndOne on Apr 1, 2008 5:56 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

good article, however...
the same thing that makes you a "hardcore" Warrior fan is the same thing that makes that Laker fan want to "knife" you. The term "hardcore" is so over-abused it has lost it's meaning (or taken on a new meaning in these new times of winning). Yes it would be great to have games be less expensive (I live in Portland and payed $150 for my wife and I to see our Warriors get their asses handed to them in twelve minutes), but I would rather have a good product than 14 years of ineptitude. You have to realize (as I'm sure everyone does) that it costs money to keep these players here. Now if their is a fire sale in the off-season, after raising the prices - then that's a reason to complain.
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.

by triplesix on Apr 1, 2008 8:17 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Road game support
Sure it may bring out some fair weather fans, but have you guys noticed our road games?  I sure do see a lot of yellow 'We Believe' T-shirts.  You'll constantly hear "Lets go Warriors!!!"  I think it's great.  Sometimes it seems like the cheers for a Warrior made bucket is louder than the home team that we're visiting.  Seems like we have good national support.

by calniners408 on Apr 1, 2008 8:41 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

great article
During the Mavs game, I commented how weak the crowd was and I got some lame excuses from users here.  Its sad because in my mind we really don't have the loudest, most energetic fans anymore.  I remember going to the Mavs game last year when they were on their 17 game winning streak, and the crowd was loud and energetic.  That was an amazing experience, until I was actually lucky enough to make it out to 2 of the playoff games against Dallas.  I have never had a better sports experience than that, and its a bummer that the crowd never will be that pumped up again.  I would be surprised to see the playoff crowds this year beat the crowd from the regular season Mavericks game from last year.

by Number22Drew on Apr 1, 2008 9:01 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

pyroteknix
for whatever reason, the clippers used similar pre-game pyrotechnics on the court. i have no idea why.

donald sterling - please reallocate funds and spend pre-game show money on things actually beneficial to winning

George
http://sportstsar.com/

George http://sportstsar.com/

by sportstsar on Apr 1, 2008 9:51 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That crowd was Weak!
Yeah seriously, I was listening in the first quarter and we were down 10, when I was able to finally find a feed to the game, and watched it on TV, it was as quiet as a mouse.

I remember last year when we played Dallas in the regular season, being at the arena was insane.  Everyone had a Baron Beard on their face, and Fan's had funny signs and pictures of the mavs. Especially one of old nash, giving Dirk a piggy back ride next to Cuban.  

Comparing the two games, i was really disappointed, I wanted to go the game and really cheer my team on, but somebody outbid me for tickets online, 65 bucks for uppers!!!

I think that if the crowd continue to dwindle down, we might need to bring back those Thunderstixs.  I've always hated those damn things, but at least it'll give the seat-warmers something to do with their hands than the wave during Warrior free-throws.

Stephen Jackson says..."I make love to pressure." and i say "COLD-BLOODED!"

by 3 The Hard Way on Apr 1, 2008 9:57 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wave Started in the section next to us
I was in section 218, and above me and to the right there was this group of people who obviously were NOT Warrior fans, and definitely not Mavs fans.  My girlfriend kept saying that she though they were "international students" or something, because they definitely were not from Oakland (maybe European exchange students?).  They had a weird demeanor, singing strange songs ans saying things that seemed to be totally unattached to the game or anything in particular.  They tried to start the wave a few times, and I looked over in disgust; I couldn't understand why they would do it!  The Mavs were starting to make a comeback, and these people wanted to distract the teams involved (as well as have people stand up and block my view).  Eventually, people got into the wave.  I couldn't believe it!  I did not participate at all.  Here is was, a tight game, and people are doing the wave!  Definitely the crowd is the not the same.  I find myself trying to start more "Let's go Warriors" chants now than joining in them.

I think part of the crowd is definitely not as "hardcore" as it once was.  However, one think to keep in mind is that it's impossible for the crowd to retain the same type of intensity that they had for game 3 4 and 6 of last year's playoff vs Dallas run for an entire season.  I was there for game 3.  The place was electric.  The "Overrated" chants cracked me up as Dallas was shooting around.

The most symbolic moment of last year's fans during that series for me was this moment:

They had a moment of silence for the Virginian Tech victims before the game started.  There was a pregnant pause, where you could tell everyone was trying to hold in their excitement.  Then you heard a "Go Warriors" and the crowd erupted.  You never heard the PA announce "end" the moment.  That was great, even if disrespectful.

Simply, not every game will be like that, and people might be getting tired of lifting the Warriors every time they fall behind by double digits in the 1st quarter.  I remember the Chicago game where Chris Duhon (Duhon????, omg) had his career high in Oracle.  I was conflicted: should I cheer this team on when they don't seem to even really want to play?  Well, my voice was gone the next day, so figure it out.  They lost anyway.

by generic username on Apr 1, 2008 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Section 218 is my peoples!
Man I love that section! Owned row 1 seats for 2 seasons str8 and if I ever renew in the future its gonna be that section! I made so many good friends there!

I will say, row 2- the seats behind me are always a mixed bunch: they're either away team fans or they type of fans you mentioned. Unfortunately, during the 76ers game a few weeks back there were these rowdy people behind me talking about soccer and relationships during the game... I ignored it but by the beggining of the 2nd, they got so rowdy hitting and poking each other that the guy behind me spilled his whole beer on my back and on top of my head. I was so mad I got up and said "what the fudge man?!?!"

I love beer but not on top of my head lol. I wonder if they were the same kids in their early 20's? I wanted to sock him lol but broke bread at the end of the game... that and we won! Man... the wave started in section 218?!? how embarrassing!

...and it's like that! Coz' that's the way it is... Dubz!

by Tony.psd on Apr 1, 2008 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The 200's are the sh#t!
The wave didn't start in 218, but 219.  A lot of non Warriors fan end up there.  I remember a block of Celtics fan up there when they came to town.  When the game was over, there was a heartbroken young Celtics fan (probably 10 - 12 years old), which a Celtics foam finger and Leprechaun hat,  being consoled by their Dad.  Pure Gold!

I sat in the 200's for the playoffs.  They are/were good seats for the price, and usually have good fans.  The encroachment of non-basketball savvy fans into Oracle is a given, and will continue to happen.  However, I think that if the W's get in the playoffs, intensity will be high.  Can you really imagine anyone but a true fan paying whatever the prices will be for the upper level (probably $100+ per seat for the back row behind the basket).  Even the most fairweather fan will see that his passion does not match that price when he can watch it on his friend's LCD 1080p HD.  The top will be ready to blow.

And yes, I agree.  If you are not gonna watch the game, get the hell out of there.  That's what Club 200 is for.

PS: Comcast needs to step it up in Hayward.  I need my TNT HD before the playoffs!

by generic username on Apr 1, 2008 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thx for the article... but i just have to vent...
I bought some coveted sideline tix for the Houston game a couple friday's ago, Section 102, Row 9, Seats 11,12... ( used my tax return =) )and there was this asshole sitting behind me quietly mumbling to himself and complaining, asking why i was cheering when it was only the 2nd quarter.

I've been going to warrior games for years and i never heard some one say that before.

I'm glad this article helped explain to me whats going on the fan base at the Arena.

by vdozens on Apr 1, 2008 10:57 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

hooray...
...for the bandwagon. man I miss pre-bandwagon days, they were great, buying upper bowl tickets and getting sent down because the lower bowl isn't full.

Chanting Ike, calling for Adonal, anticipating Manute squaring up for a 3.

Good times I must say. The wagon tainted it for me now... =[

by ejdacanay on Apr 1, 2008 11:13 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The wave at a basketball game...
... or at any game is a waste of time. Pay attention to what's happening on the court! I've been forced to be a little bit more patient with bandwagon fans this season since there are so many of them now. But the wave, really? I don't mind new fans who are willing to learn the game and understand what they're cheering for but I can't stand the "fans" who cheer just to cheer. I see so many people at the games who simply clap when everyone else claps or stands when everyone else stands. I also can't stand the really loud & vocal yet unknowledgeable fan, I'm sure we've all sat next to a few of them. I've actually come up with a short quiz for those bandwagon fans and it might seem super easy for us but it can differentiate a fan from a cheerleader:

"If you can name 20 players of the top of your head in the history of the Warriors franchise, not including anyone from this year or last year's roster, then you're a true dubs fan."

Like I said, it's a super easy question but to a bandwagoner it is not.



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by JonDoe on Apr 1, 2008 11:13 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

foreal
although you shouldn't say that online. now they can do their research haha

by ejdacanay on Apr 1, 2008 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

here you go
1 letrell sprewell, 2 donyell marshall, 3 brian cardinal, 4 antawn jamison, 5 gilbert arenas, 6 larry hughes, 7 brian shaw, 8 vinnie del negro, 9 mugsy boges, 10 nick van excel, 11 wilt chamberlain, 12 nate thurmond, 13 rick barry, 14 drew barry, 15 chris mills, 16 speedy claxton, 17 avery johnson, 18 chris mullin, 19 erick dampier, 20 jim barnett
What you thought that I only played basketball? I AM A Golden State WARRIOR!

by 24k state fan since 87 on Apr 1, 2008 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

here is mine
1. Todd Fuller, 2. Vonteego Cummings, 3. Mugsy Bogues, 4. Felton Spencer, 5. Billy Owens, 6. Rony Seikaly (spelling?), 7. Chris Gatling, 8. Chris Mills, 9. Tom Tolbert, 10a. Steve Logan (whom we drafted but never played, so i guess that doesnt count), 10b. Bimbo Coles, 11. Jim Jackson, 12. Kevin Willis, 13. Clifford Rozier, 14. Andrew DeClercq, 15. Tony Delk, 16. Tyrone Hill, 17. John Starks, 18. Clarence Weatherspoon, 19. Bobby Sura, Vinny Del Negro

there are my 20

My pictures never show up here, so this is my new Signature

by sloth11 on Apr 1, 2008 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alright guys real quick!
Manute Bol, Mitch Rich, Carlos Rogers, Mario Elie, Mully, Tim Hardaway, Sarunas Marciulionis, David Wood, Keith Jennings, Big Vic Alexander, John Starks, Larry Hughes, Vonteego Cummings, Chris Mills, Calbert Cheaney, Todd Fuller(eew), Joe Smith, C-Webb, Spree, Bimbo Coles!!  This is fun.

by turbulence24 on Apr 1, 2008 11:23 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ahh yes...
Todd Fuller, the great player we picked instead of some high schooler... I think his name was Kobe or something.


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by JonDoe on Apr 1, 2008 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

how about this...
Let's name the most mediocre players you could think of from the dubz in the last 15 years. =)

by turbulence24 on Apr 1, 2008 11:25 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

anyways...
the wave="vagine"-Super Bad. Leave that to socal fans.  Has no place in oaktown.

by turbulence24 on Apr 1, 2008 11:27 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

My input
Ive been to a few road games this year, and the talks Ive had with those warriors fans were great. Talking about the past, the bad years, and how cool it is to see warriors fans travel with the team.

When I get to the Oracle, people are pronouncing the Warriors players names wrong. (Some schmuck said KELENNA PEROVIC) I start talking about players from the past, and then people chime in with, he isnt on the team this year. I reply with, you know, the Warriors have existed before last years playoffs, and then they shut up.

As far as the Wave goes, that was pure bush league. I was yelling at the fans from my seat at home, cause I was so pissed off. Granted, the fans have been pretty good this season, but compared to the knowledge and the passion from last years playoff run, its not even close.

I miss the good ole days of getting free tickets from everywhere cause my friends didnt like how bad they were. Now, they are asking me if I want to go with them, cause they love the Warriors... Oh well. it was bound to happen

My pictures never show up here, so this is my new Signature

by sloth11 on Apr 1, 2008 11:45 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

the wave pic
that pic of the crowd is sick

by thegoldenman on Apr 1, 2008 12:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Mini-wave when Opponents shoot free throws
I've been bashing the wave like most of you on here, maybe we can turn this thing into a positive... and do a mini-wave when opponents shoot their free throws.

The only time people behind the basket make noise and try to get other teams to miss is close to the end of the game or when they give out those balloons.

Just like those optical illusion spinning wheels that they banned, I think we can make a wave that goes back and forth behind the basket.

by ron113pnoy on Apr 1, 2008 12:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

JonDoe...
That is a very good quiz.

Lets see...Monta...oh hold up..that is this years' roster..

[ LOOKS AT LOGIN USER NAME ]

Forget it. I quit.

Romes Mac Mojous

by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Apr 1, 2008 12:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

the wave sucks
I went to my first warrior game this year, pheonix. Some dude behind me got mad at me for wearing a J rich jersey.

Im pretty young, and got into basketball last year. The first game I watched was memphis OT last year, do I count as bandwagon?

by fremontfan1 on Apr 1, 2008 12:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Bandwagon
I don't think there is a warriors' bandwagon yet.  If we knock off a top seed again in the playoffs the wheels will start turning though.

by thegoldenman on Apr 1, 2008 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't worry about it Fremont...
those same haters will call all of us a bandwagon Warrior fan after the Warriors Win the 2008 NBA Championship.

Whether you were a fan yesterday, a fan back when they were the San Francisco Warriors, when they won the 1975 NBA CHAMPIONSHIP, etc.

I would like to be officially be called a bandwagon fan Starting today. That aint no April Fool's joke either. I'm serious.

[ puts on serious face ]

Thank you.

Romes Mac Mojous

by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Apr 1, 2008 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im pretty young too
I dont say too much
but im really glad i got into this game they call basketball
my dad's been a Warriors fan for years-yearsss and he got me into it a little more than a year ago.
My first Game was against the Timberwolves last year.
Kevin Garnett was still on the team, and my dad spurged on lower bowl and it was so awesome. Now i look back and im like,
Why did we go see the weak Wolves!?
haha,
there's no point to this except well, i wanted to say that I love this game.

by gby822 on Apr 1, 2008 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

test
hardaway, J rich, Jamison, arenas, chamberlain, rick barry, C webb, Foyle, Barnett, mullin, joe smith, Dunleavey murphy, nate thurmond, diogu,

like I said, ive been here not to long, but I am not that old

by fremontfan1 on Apr 1, 2008 1:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

asdf
Talk about something ridiculous being blown way out of proportion. I was at the game in section 203 and the wave started in 204, the corner section during a timeout and everytime it would go around and a section would stop the wave they got booed. Then eventually after the time out was basically over the lower bowl started doing it. But honestly, do you think Buike missed his free throws beause of the wave or because of the fact he shoots around 70%? I mean if Brandon Bass can hit his FT's with 8 million different colored balloons waving in the background, Buike can hit his with the wave. As for people saying it was a quiet crowd, especially during the run in the first quarter, I'd say you're full of shit because everytime the Dubs got the ball from about 6-0 on they were cheering and yelling, like they always do.

People are making this into a huge deal, but seriously, get over it. It was cool to see an indoor stadium do the wave because it never happens, ever. We won the game, we didn't lose because of that free throw and if we had, well then Buike should be practicing his free throws. They play the whole game with huge crowd noise and people moving behind the backboard, to say the wave made him miss his free throw is utterly retarded. Besides, how many times this year have you seen Buike split free throws, the answer is a lot.

by J Rich 4 MVP on Apr 1, 2008 1:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I personally wouldn't participate in the WAVE!
OH MAN!  This reminds me of the Lakers/Warriors game I went to earlier this year.  They started a wave and some Laker fans got mad at me for not participated and was like "You're just bitter that you're a Warrior fan!"  I was like WHAT!?!?  I kindly explained my devotion to the Warriors but they were like "look... your Warriors are losing."  After the loss I told them "Hey... I'm still a Warrior fan... but where would have you been if the Lakers lost?"  They just looked confused and walked away.  Great memory

by mightymadskillz on Apr 1, 2008 3:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Back to the Quiz...
umm..

1)Winston Garland.

?

[ quits again ]

Romes Mac Mojous

by ROMESdavidWOOD37 on Apr 1, 2008 3:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

World B. Free, Matt Fish, Washburn,
Uwe Blab, Sarunas, Bill Curley, Jim Petersen, Teagle, Higgins, Houston, Big Vic, Marc Jackson, Cherokee Parks, Mookie, Larry Smith, Taft, Tolbert, Mike Smrek, Declerq, Legler, Parish, JBC...gametime, bi@#hes!

by bucknall20 on Apr 1, 2008 7:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh man what a lineup!
You forgot Bobby Sura and Sam Jacobson haha...  

by in for life on Apr 1, 2008 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great article
Great job as usual Adam.

by olympicmike on Apr 1, 2008 9:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow...
Great blog and great responses!  This is what I love about being a Warrior fan...  Look at the other NBA team pages and other team blogsites.  No crazy artwork, no diaries, and a bunch of one-line comments about this team sucks or "Lakers rule" and useless junk...  

I remember when GSW collapsed after Webber and Nellie left...  Within a brief two years we were neck deep in the Pit of Dispair (aka the Twardzik/Adelman era) and memories of the 'good ol days' seemed like a lifetime ago.  But I stayed with it and everytime I tried to tell folks about some crazy baseline move from Gattling, or John Barry raining 3's people would laugh at me for being a Warrior fan.  In some sick way, I think we had to learn to enjoy the pain and frustration...  

Over the next 13 years I can't remember how many times I said "because when they finally turn it around, it's gonna be that much sweeter".  Well last year it happened and attending Games 4 and 6 against the Mavs was something I will NEVER forget.  Thinking about it still gives me goose bumps...  You could literally feel people shedding the years of shame and pain.  The atmosphere went far deeper than just screaming and yelling.  And the Wave?  Puhlease...  Even a couple hours after the game we were at a backup at the San Mateo Bridge toll plaza and it was GSW fans still honking horns and waiving shirts and We Believe signs out the windows...  

With all that excitment its tough to blame the bandwagon fans especially with Bay Area sports in such disarray now.  And in all honesty, now that expectations of the team are up that type of atmosphere can't be duplicated even if the bandwagon folks weren't there.  So its good to know how many people here will always appreciate the team, win or lose!  Unstoppable Baby!!    

by in for life on Apr 1, 2008 11:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ugh.
Yes, I always took pride in our fans... the ones who stuck with the team through good and bad -- mostly bad.  I don't live in the Bay Area anymore, so I don't get out to games at all.  

But last year's first round spectacle against the Mavs brought it all back for me.  I begged all of my friends out here on the East Coast to stay up late to watch the games.  They finally broke down and decided to watch after the Warriors took out the Mavs and started the second round against Utah.  

By then it was too late.  

All of a sudden, a bunch of new people sat in the old seats -- people who had no idea how to act or what to watch for.  They'd come to witness the spectacle first-hand without realizing that THEY were the spectacle they'd come to witness.  

The fans fell flat, the team had no energy to feed from, and, Baron's dunk on AK47 aside, we all know what happened next.

And my fear is that the Warriors are going to have to miss the postseason this year in order to purge the fairweather fans out and get the raucous, rabid fans back in.  

Ugh.

by gldnbrz on Apr 5, 2008 5:07 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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